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buyer beware - Tom Meservey - 05-03-2007 06:52 As of late several members have bought coachs at what they thought was a real bargin, only to find out many of the little hidden things that one CANNOT see, and have them ended up with a "not so great bargin." Here I am sitting with a 33 foot 1981 BB, in excellant running and material condition, offered up at a reasonable price twice on eBay, and not one taker. Yes the exterier is going to need painting, but there is NO rust, the bumpers are in tact, and there is a new replaced parts list a mile long. I have documented everything I have done or had done. New air bags on a '81 alone are worth alot, plus new air compressor, electric dump valves etc. This forum is great for "lurkers" to find out what is what, and get a chance to talk to people before they buy. Why then are people still buying 'birds that have so many issues that they ARE back yard projects. Beats me. Tom Meservey, USN (Ret) Ladson, SC WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Wanderlodge Forum Messages In This Digest (9 Messages) 1a. Re: Blue Bird Clock From: g_man1146 2. Check Transmission Light 86pt 8V92 do not shift From: Gregory OConnor 3. Mobile Satellite Television System From: heeneyfwaolcom 4a. East Coast rally in Vernon NY June 8-10,2007 From: Tom Warner 5a. Re: Lighter Switch Source??? From: Jack and Liz Pearce 6a. Some FC 31 questions From: ultrask824 6b. Re: Some FC 31 questions From: grizz46s 7a. 84FC35 ride height From: Keith Strehle 7b. Re: 84FC35 ride height From: Ralph L. Fullenwider View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Blue Bird Clock Posted by: "g_man1146" gman1146@... g_man1146 Thu May 3, 2007 6:51 am (PST) Hi Bob, I saw that and wondered why the high price. Is an original worth so much more than a replica that can be easily made by anyone with basic high school shop woodworking skills and a $5.00 quartz movement? Just curious. Rich D. '99LXi43' CT --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "robertnloomas" wrote: > > Anybody looking for a blue bird wall clock there is one on ebay > Bob Loomas 1985 PT > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 2. Check Transmission Light 86pt 8V92 do not shift Posted by: "Gregory OConnor" Gregoryoc@... gregoryoconnor Thu May 3, 2007 6:54 am (PST) Ryan wrote: The "Check trans" switch, when flipped the opposite direction of what it was, caused the "check trans" light to flash the code: Three quick flashes, short pause, two more flashes, long pause, repeat. So, first digit 3, second 2 = code 32. Having read OBD diagnostic codes off of cars for years (many early systems would flash the "check engine" light in the same manner to show you the codes) this was second nature to me. So, I called Mr. Oliver's and Paul gave me a name & phone number, and that person found an Allison dealer close to me and also looked up the code info. As for the "J" solenoid, apparently it regulates shifting. This makes sense given that the light only comes on after shifting. ~$200 + 4-5 hours labor to replace I'm told. I'll find out for sure in the morning, I suppose. ![]() -Ryan 86pt40 8V On the Road Ryan I reposted your informative post under a new thread because it holds good info. The thread subject name and "proper ID of bus" will help others find the info. I think it a good idea to remind the Allison Tec that the bus 1)has a batterybank 2)bank gets depleated during long storage 3)a very high amp alt. If the J solenoid is shifting properly, why change it. The code may be generated by some volt, wire, or connection problem that wont get replaced with the new internal part. The early warning light is proving to be a wolfcry. Dependent on; amps, ohms, volts, and all that 'lectric bull, the computer warning lights fail to warn of a problem with the warning. I had an Allison tranny shop do my first oil change filter service because I wanted a pro to have a look at old oil character and filter deposits and run the bus down the road. That invoice was around 500.00 GregoryO'Connor 94ptRomolandCa Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 3. Mobile Satellite Television System Posted by: "heeneyfwaolcom" heeneyfw@... heeneyfwaolcom Thu May 3, 2007 7:03 am (PST) I have a Cruise TV DBS-30500 Mobile Satellite Dish system that I no longer need. It is free to a good home. We upgraded to a "In Motion" system several years ago and now we no longer need this system. It has been in storage since and although I can not guarantee, there is every reason to believe it will still work as good as it did when I removerd it from the coach. It comes with motorized dish, control box and wiring and manual. To use it you park the coach level, look up location in manual, dial in coordinates and it will find and lock on the satellite. If you would like to have this unit all you have to do is e-mail me directly. heeneyfw@.... Give me your location and I will tell you your approx cost. Then you pay for shipping by FedEx and packaging. Frank & Rosemarie Heeney 1987 PT 40 Where Eagles Dare Camden, MI Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 4a. East Coast rally in Vernon NY June 8-10,2007 Posted by: "Tom Warner" warbucks@... warbucks13477 Thu May 3, 2007 7:15 am (PST) Some BB owners are putting together a simple rally for June 8-10 on the East coast in Vernon,New York. Shane Fedeli and Tom Sorrentino have suggested June 8-10th. Its open as to what we do although we can install upgrades or go over troubleshooting, reading factory schematics etc on the coaches. Not looking for something to structured as far as meals etc that is open for discussion. Right now its open as to dry camping where we are close to tools etc in my shop or one of the local RV parks. The Turning stone casino RV park is beautiful but at $45/day a little pricy but I might be able to get that reduced http://turning-stone.com/lodging/rvpark/. There is also a RV park on Lake Oneida which is close at $28/night http://www.treasureislervpark.com/ Here is another RV park close by to me: http://www.aokcampgroundofnewyork.com/ rates are $25/day Its also open as to whether you bring your families as there is a lot to do in this area. Casino has good floor shows, restaurants etc are excellent http://turning-stone.com/calendar/. The area also has some of the best old world italian restaurants closebye where you can get handmade italian food at noon for less then $5 including home made bread and of course lots of italian pastries. There are other restaurants close by such as large chinese buffets that are very reasonable. Also close by is the Oneida Silver company where we can get beautiful silver and stainless steel etc and very reduced prices. Send me a private message if you are interested. tom warner vernon center,ny 1985 PT 40 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 5a. Re: Lighter Switch Source??? Posted by: "Jack and Liz Pearce" jlpearce@... homesicktexans_33009 Thu May 3, 2007 8:03 am (PST) Howdy, Chet. Thanks for the reply and I apologize for being so late. Called BB parts and that's about the same price PLUS shipping and handling. Regards, Liz Pearce Regards, Jack and Liz Pearce Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40 Wintering In Hondo, TX - 2006 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "chet geist" > > Go to the nearest wholesale commercial electrical supplier they should have > one. Don't forget your check book they are not cheap. The one I purchased > cost me $25.36. > > Chet Geist > 1981 FC33, Austin, Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jack and Liz Pearce > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:06 PM > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Lighter Switch Source??? > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 6a. Some FC 31 questions Posted by: "ultrask824" ultrask824@... ultrask824 Thu May 3, 2007 8:39 am (PST) I am talking to a seller with a 77 FC 31, 3208 NA. He says he cruises at 67 mph and gets 10mpg, I am wondering about the accuracy of this. I saw the RPM chart on Vintage Birds, the 67mph is possible with the larger tires (I don't know what size he has on it) at 2700 rpm. The price seems reasonable , $19k, (no leveling jacks tho), looking for some input or helpful info. Thanks Jonny Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 6b. Re: Some FC 31 questions Posted by: "grizz46s" roggie@... grizz46s Thu May 3, 2007 9:15 am (PST) --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ultrask824" > > I am talking to a seller with a 77 FC 31, 3208 NA. He says he cruises > at 67 mph and gets 10mpg, I am wondering about the accuracy of this. > I saw the RPM chart on Vintage Birds, the 67mph is possible with the > larger tires (I don't know what size he has on it) at 2700 rpm. > > The price seems reasonable , $19k, (no leveling jacks tho), looking > for some input or helpful info. > > Thanks > > Jonny > I have an 81 fc with the 3208, and I would say that the cruise speed is most likely accurate or at least close. The milage at that speed may be a bit of an exaggeration. I find to get that mileage I have to keep the speed closer to 55. As for the price, it is really difficult to say without more info. Are the jacks the only system that is inoperative? There are a great many things that could cost far more to repair than the jacks. Look it over closely. I purchased a coach on the owner's word that the only thing wrong with the coach was the tach. When I got there to pick it up I found a coach that looked very good on the outside, but was very poor condition on the inside. Replacing flooring, AC units, heaters, toilet, exhaust fans, and reupholstering, made a reasonable price no longer so reasonable. My advice, "Buyer be ware!" Check it over closely, if the majority of the systems are in good woring order 19K is a good price in my estimation, but be very careful or you can end up like me. I will be happy when I am done, but it has cost me far more than I had anticipated to get there. Gene Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 7a. 84FC35 ride height Posted by: "Keith Strehle" strehlekeith@... strehlekeith Thu May 3, 2007 8:55 am (PST) How difficult is it to adjust the ride height on my 84FC? What is the proper ride height and where do I measure from? Should I have someone do this for me? Keith 84FC35 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 7b. Re: 84FC35 ride height Posted by: "Ralph L. Fullenwider" rlf47@... rlfrvtech Thu May 3, 2007 9:13 am (PST) Keith: There should be a blue folder in your blue box for the ridewell air suspension system. It will direct you on how to set the ride height and you can do it yourself. It is time consuming though and best to make small adjustments, run the coach around the block then measure, then adjust and go around the block and so forth. The front will be aprox 1 inch lower in the front and that is normal. Safe travels, Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider 84FC35 Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma At 03:52 PM 5/3/2007 +0000, you wrote: >How difficult is it to adjust the ride height on my 84FC? What is the >proper ride height and where do I measure from? > >Should I have someone do this for me? > >Keith >84FC35 > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity 11 New Members 4 New Links 1 New Files Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS Recreational vehicles Recreational vehicle financing Recreational vehicle repair Recreational vehicle rental Recreational vehicle camper Health Zone Look your best! Groups to help you look & feel great. Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Market Online Drive traffic to your web site with Sponsored Search. Need to Reply? Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] buyer beware - bubblerboy64 - 05-04-2007 00:22 Tom, It's the nature of a first time purchaser to get less then what he is hoping for most of the time, is it not? Learning the hard way and from experience. We all tend to be somewhat predjudiced towards our own. If that was not so you would not have purchased the coach you own in the first place. It also is a lot easier to see the "outside" then the "inside" for us inexperienced BB shoppers. Sex sells. What do the real estate people tell all home sellers? Make it look good. What sells cars and RV's quality? I don't think . So you see the beauty of the "inside" of what you own but the shoppers can't be expected to see that unless you show them. That's why we lurkers lurk to learn first and formost so we don't get less then what we should. The sellers have to be educators as well as good saleman. Its very difficult for guys like me to shop these coaches. They are few and far between and to compare one to the other is extremely difficult. I know sellers feel like they are wasting time but how is a fellow to learn but not from you previous owners. There is an awful lot to know before a guy pulls the trigger on one of these vehicles. And that says nothing about the cost of fuel and repairs for even the best of them. I tend to spend rather freely but trust me before I make the leap ( if I make the leap)I am going to have to be well educated. That is the nature of this and is why the BB's don't change hands like Toyota's. John Heckman --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Meservey <snulli2@...> wrote: > > As of late several members have bought coachs at what they thought was a real bargin, only to find out many of the little hidden things that one CANNOT see, and have them ended up with a "not so great bargin." > > Here I am sitting with a 33 foot 1981 BB, in excellant running and material condition, offered up at a reasonable price twice on eBay, and not one taker. Yes the exterier is going to need painting, but there is NO rust, the bumpers are in tact, and there is a new replaced parts list a mile long. I have documented everything I have done or had done. New air bags on a '81 alone are worth alot, plus new air compressor, electric dump valves etc. This forum is great for "lurkers" to find out what is what, and get a chance to talk to people before they buy. Why then are people still buying 'birds that have so many issues that they ARE back yard projects. Beats me. > > Tom Meservey, USN (Ret) > Ladson, SC > > > WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Wanderlodge Forum > Messages In This Digest (9 Messages) > 1a. > Re: Blue Bird Clock From: g_man1146 > 2. > Check Transmission Light 86pt 8V92 do not shift From: Gregory OConnor > 3. > Mobile Satellite Television System From: heeneyfwaolcom > 4a. > East Coast rally in Vernon NY June 8-10,2007 From: Tom Warner > 5a. > Re: Lighter Switch Source??? From: Jack and Liz Pearce > 6a. > Some FC 31 questions From: ultrask824 > 6b. > Re: Some FC 31 questions From: grizz46s > 7a. > 84FC35 ride height From: Keith Strehle > 7b. > Re: 84FC35 ride height From: Ralph L. Fullenwider > View All Topics | Create New Topic > Messages > 1a. > Re: Blue Bird Clock Posted by: "g_man1146" gman1146@... g_man1146 Thu May 3, 2007 6:51 am (PST) Hi Bob, > > I saw that and wondered why the high price. Is an original worth so > much more than a replica that can be easily made by anyone with basic > high school shop woodworking skills and a $5.00 quartz movement? Just > curious. > > Rich D. '99LXi43' CT > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "robertnloomas" bloomas@ > wrote: > > > > Anybody looking for a blue bird wall clock there is one on ebay > > Bob Loomas 1985 PT > > > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > 2. > Check Transmission Light 86pt 8V92 do not shift Posted by: "Gregory OConnor" Gregoryoc@... gregoryoconnor Thu May 3, 2007 6:54 am (PST) Ryan wrote: > The "Check > trans" switch, when flipped the opposite direction of what it was, > caused the "check trans" light to flash the code: Three quick flashes, > short pause, two more flashes, long pause, repeat. So, first digit 3, > second 2 = code 32. Having read OBD diagnostic codes off of cars for > years (many early systems would flash the "check engine" light in the > same manner to show you the codes) this was second nature to me. > > So, I called Mr. Oliver's and Paul gave me a name & phone number, and > that person found an Allison dealer close to me and also looked up the > code info. > > As for the "J" solenoid, apparently it regulates shifting. This makes > sense given that the light only comes on after shifting. ~$200 + 4-5 > hours labor to replace I'm told. I'll find out for sure in the > morning, I suppose. ![]() > > -Ryan > 86pt40 8V > On the Road > > Ryan I reposted your informative post under a new thread because it > holds good info. The thread subject name and "proper ID of bus" will > help others find the info. > > I think it a good idea to remind the Allison Tec that the bus 1)has a > batterybank 2)bank gets depleated during long storage 3)a very high > amp alt. If the J solenoid is shifting properly, why change it. The > code may be generated by some volt, wire, or connection problem that > wont get replaced with the new internal part. The early warning light > is proving to be a wolfcry. Dependent on; amps, ohms, volts, and all > that 'lectric bull, the computer warning lights fail to warn of a > problem with the warning. > > I had an Allison tranny shop do my first oil change filter service > because I wanted a pro to have a look at old oil character and filter > deposits and run the bus down the road. That invoice was around > 500.00 > > GregoryO'Connor > 94ptRomolandCa > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) > > 3. > Mobile Satellite Television System Posted by: "heeneyfwaolcom" heeneyfw@... heeneyfwaolcom Thu May 3, 2007 7:03 am (PST) I have a Cruise TV DBS-30500 Mobile Satellite Dish system that I no > longer need. It is free to a good home. We upgraded to a "In Motion" > system several years ago and now we no longer need this system. It has > been in storage since and although I can not guarantee, there is every > reason to believe it will still work as good as it did when I removerd > it from the coach. It comes with motorized dish, control box and > wiring and manual. To use it you park the coach level, look up > location in manual, dial in coordinates and it will find and lock on > the satellite. > If you would like to have this unit all you have to do is e-mail me > directly. heeneyfw@... Give me your location and I will tell you > your approx cost. Then you pay for shipping by FedEx and packaging. > > Frank & Rosemarie Heeney > 1987 PT 40 > Where Eagles Dare > Camden, MI > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) > > 4a. > East Coast rally in Vernon NY June 8-10,2007 Posted by: "Tom Warner" warbucks@... warbucks13477 Thu May 3, 2007 7:15 am (PST) Some BB owners are putting together a simple rally for June > 8-10 on the East coast in Vernon,New York. Shane Fedeli and Tom > Sorrentino have suggested June 8-10th. Its open as to what we do > although we can install upgrades or go over troubleshooting, reading > factory schematics etc on the coaches. Not looking for something to > structured as far as meals etc that is open for discussion. > > Right now its open as to dry camping where we are close to tools etc > in my shop or one of the local RV parks. The Turning stone casino RV > park is beautiful but at $45/day a little pricy but I might be able > to get that reduced http://turning-stone.com/lodging/rvpark/. There > is also a RV park on Lake Oneida which is close at > $28/night http://www.treasureislervpark.com/ Here is another RV > park close by to me: http://www.aokcampgroundofnewyork.com/ rates are $25/day > > Its also open as to whether you bring your families as there is a > lot to do in this area. Casino has good floor shows, restaurants etc > are excellent http://turning-stone.com/calendar/. The area also has > some of the best old world italian restaurants closebye where you can > get handmade italian food at noon for less then $5 including home > made bread and of course lots of italian pastries. There are other > restaurants close by such as large chinese buffets that are very > reasonable. Also close by is the Oneida Silver company where we can > get beautiful silver and stainless steel etc and very reduced prices. > Send me a private message if you are interested. > > tom warner > vernon center,ny > 1985 PT 40 > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (11) > > 5a. > Re: Lighter Switch Source??? Posted by: "Jack and Liz Pearce" jlpearce@... homesicktexans_33009 Thu May 3, 2007 8:03 am (PST) Howdy, Chet. > Thanks for the reply and I apologize for being so late. Called BB > parts and that's about the same price PLUS shipping and handling. > > Regards, > Liz Pearce > Regards, > Jack and Liz Pearce > Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40 > Wintering In Hondo, TX - 2006 > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "chet geist" chetg@ wrote: > > > > Go to the nearest wholesale commercial electrical supplier they > should have > > one. Don't forget your check book they are not cheap. The one I > purchased > > cost me $25.36. > > > > Chet Geist > > 1981 FC33, Austin, Texas > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jack and Liz > Pearce > > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:06 PM > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Lighter Switch Source??? > > > > > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) > > 6a. > Some FC 31 questions Posted by: "ultrask824" ultrask824@... ultrask824 Thu May 3, 2007 8:39 am (PST) I am talking to a seller with a 77 FC 31, 3208 NA. He says he cruises > at 67 mph and gets 10mpg, I am wondering about the accuracy of this. > I saw the RPM chart on Vintage Birds, the 67mph is possible with the > larger tires (I don't know what size he has on it) at 2700 rpm. > > The price seems reasonable , $19k, (no leveling jacks tho), looking > for some input or helpful info. > > Thanks > > Jonny > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > 6b. > Re: Some FC 31 questions Posted by: "grizz46s" roggie@... grizz46s Thu May 3, 2007 9:15 am (PST) --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ultrask824" ultrask824@ > wrote: > > > > I am talking to a seller with a 77 FC 31, 3208 NA. He says he cruises > > at 67 mph and gets 10mpg, I am wondering about the accuracy of this. > > I saw the RPM chart on Vintage Birds, the 67mph is possible with the > > larger tires (I don't know what size he has on it) at 2700 rpm. > > > > The price seems reasonable , $19k, (no leveling jacks tho), looking > > for some input or helpful info. > > > > Thanks > > > > Jonny > > > I have an 81 fc with the 3208, and I would say that the cruise speed is > most likely accurate or at least close. The milage at that speed may > be a bit of an exaggeration. I find to get that mileage I have to keep > the speed closer to 55. As for the price, it is really difficult to say > without more info. Are the jacks the only system that is inoperative? > There are a great many things that could cost far more to repair than > the jacks. Look it over closely. I purchased a coach on the owner's > word that the only thing wrong with the coach was the tach. When I got > there to pick it up I found a coach that looked very good on the > outside, but was very poor condition on the inside. Replacing flooring, > AC units, heaters, toilet, exhaust fans, and reupholstering, made a > reasonable price no longer so reasonable. My advice, "Buyer be ware!" > Check it over closely, if the majority of the systems are in good > woring order 19K is a good price in my estimation, but be very careful > or you can end up like me. I will be happy when I am done, but it has > cost me far more than I had anticipated to get there. > Gene > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > 7a. > 84FC35 ride height Posted by: "Keith Strehle" strehlekeith@... strehlekeith Thu May 3, 2007 8:55 am (PST) How difficult is it to adjust the ride height on my 84FC? What is the > proper ride height and where do I measure from? > > Should I have someone do this for me? > > Keith > 84FC35 > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > 7b. > Re: 84FC35 ride height Posted by: "Ralph L. Fullenwider" rlf47@... rlfrvtech Thu May 3, 2007 9:13 am (PST) Keith: > > There should be a blue folder in your blue box for the ridewell air > suspension system. It will direct you on how to set the ride height and you > can do it yourself. It is time consuming though and best to make small > adjustments, run the coach around the block then measure, then adjust and > go around the block and so forth. The front will be aprox 1 inch lower in > the front and that is normal. > > Safe travels, > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider > 84FC35 > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma > > At 03:52 PM 5/3/2007 +0000, you wrote: > >How difficult is it to adjust the ride height on my 84FC? What is the > >proper ride height and where do I measure from? > > > >Should I have someone do this for me? > > > >Keith > >84FC35 > > > > > > > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > > Recent Activity > > 11 > New Members > > 4 > New Links > > 1 > New Files > > Visit Your Group > SPONSORED LINKS > > Recreational vehicles > Recreational vehicle financing > Recreational vehicle repair > Recreational vehicle rental > Recreational vehicle camper > > Health Zone > Look your best! > Groups to help you > look & feel great. > > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > > Market Online > Drive traffic to > your web site with > Sponsored Search. > > > Need to Reply? > Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. > > > > Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls > > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > buyer beware - M.L. Perkinson - 05-04-2007 02:55 Tom, I feel your pain. I Have a couple of times listed my 80fc because I am not a mechanically inclined person and think vintage birds are for them. Last time I listed it at $15 K and found that even when listed as firm the shoppers were looking to pick it up for a lot less. I too like to get bargains but Gee. Anyway it is paid for and in fine shape and inspite of upkeep and fuel prices I figure I am way ahead of investing in an SOB and paying higher taxes, insurance,etc. However in your case being a two bird owner I know you are frustrated. I bought mine from a two bird person. Bought a lot of trouble because I thought he was a better person than he was. We were having dinner after we closed the deal and a guy came up to our table and said"Hey, I see you finally unloaded it!" Oman for the beginning of troubles. Maury 80fc31' ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Meservey To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] buyer beware As of late several members have bought coachs at what they thought was a real bargin, only to find out many of the little hidden things that one CANNOT see, and have them ended up with a "not so great bargin." Here I am sitting with a 33 foot 1981 BB, in excellant running and material condition, offered up at a reasonable price twice on eBay, and not one taker. Yes the exterier is going to need painting, but there is NO rust, the bumpers are in tact, and there is a new replaced parts list a mile long. I have documented everything I have done or had done. New air bags on a '81 alone are worth alot, plus new air compressor, electric dump valves etc. This forum is great for "lurkers" to find out what is what, and get a chance to talk to people before they buy. Why then are people still buying 'birds that have so many issues that they ARE back yard projects. Beats me. Tom Meservey, USN (Ret) Ladson, SC WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Wanderlodge Forum Messages In This Digest (9 Messages) 1a. Re: Blue Bird Clock From: g_man1146 2. Check Transmission Light 86pt 8V92 do not shift From: Gregory OConnor 3. Mobile Satellite Television System From: heeneyfwaolcom 4a. East Coast rally in Vernon NY June 8-10,2007 From: Tom Warner 5a. Re: Lighter Switch Source??? From: Jack and Liz Pearce 6a. Some FC 31 questions From: ultrask824 6b. Re: Some FC 31 questions From: grizz46s 7a. 84FC35 ride height From: Keith Strehle 7b. Re: 84FC35 ride height From: Ralph L. Fullenwider View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Blue Bird Clock Posted by: "g_man1146" gman1146@... g_man1146 Thu May 3, 2007 6:51 am (PST) Hi Bob, I saw that and wondered why the high price. Is an original worth so much more than a replica that can be easily made by anyone with basic high school shop woodworking skills and a $5.00 quartz movement? Just curious. Rich D. '99LXi43' CT --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "robertnloomas" wrote: > > Anybody looking for a blue bird wall clock there is one on ebay > Bob Loomas 1985 PT > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 2. Check Transmission Light 86pt 8V92 do not shift Posted by: "Gregory OConnor" Gregoryoc@... gregoryoconnor Thu May 3, 2007 6:54 am (PST) Ryan wrote: The "Check trans" switch, when flipped the opposite direction of what it was, caused the "check trans" light to flash the code: Three quick flashes, short pause, two more flashes, long pause, repeat. So, first digit 3, second 2 = code 32. Having read OBD diagnostic codes off of cars for years (many early systems would flash the "check engine" light in the same manner to show you the codes) this was second nature to me. So, I called Mr. Oliver's and Paul gave me a name & phone number, and that person found an Allison dealer close to me and also looked up the code info. As for the "J" solenoid, apparently it regulates shifting. This makes sense given that the light only comes on after shifting. ~$200 + 4-5 hours labor to replace I'm told. I'll find out for sure in the morning, I suppose. ![]() -Ryan 86pt40 8V On the Road Ryan I reposted your informative post under a new thread because it holds good info. The thread subject name and "proper ID of bus" will help others find the info. I think it a good idea to remind the Allison Tec that the bus 1)has a batterybank 2)bank gets depleated during long storage 3)a very high amp alt. If the J solenoid is shifting properly, why change it. The code may be generated by some volt, wire, or connection problem that wont get replaced with the new internal part. The early warning light is proving to be a wolfcry. Dependent on; amps, ohms, volts, and all that 'lectric bull, the computer warning lights fail to warn of a problem with the warning. I had an Allison tranny shop do my first oil change filter service because I wanted a pro to have a look at old oil character and filter deposits and run the bus down the road. That invoice was around 500.00 GregoryO'Connor 94ptRomolandCa Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 3. Mobile Satellite Television System Posted by: "heeneyfwaolcom" heeneyfw@... heeneyfwaolcom Thu May 3, 2007 7:03 am (PST) I have a Cruise TV DBS-30500 Mobile Satellite Dish system that I no longer need. It is free to a good home. We upgraded to a "In Motion" system several years ago and now we no longer need this system. It has been in storage since and although I can not guarantee, there is every reason to believe it will still work as good as it did when I removerd it from the coach. It comes with motorized dish, control box and wiring and manual. To use it you park the coach level, look up location in manual, dial in coordinates and it will find and lock on the satellite. If you would like to have this unit all you have to do is e-mail me directly. heeneyfw@.... Give me your location and I will tell you your approx cost. Then you pay for shipping by FedEx and packaging. Frank & Rosemarie Heeney 1987 PT 40 Where Eagles Dare Camden, MI Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 4a. East Coast rally in Vernon NY June 8-10,2007 Posted by: "Tom Warner" warbucks@... warbucks13477 Thu May 3, 2007 7:15 am (PST) Some BB owners are putting together a simple rally for June 8-10 on the East coast in Vernon,New York. Shane Fedeli and Tom Sorrentino have suggested June 8-10th. Its open as to what we do although we can install upgrades or go over troubleshooting, reading factory schematics etc on the coaches. Not looking for something to structured as far as meals etc that is open for discussion. Right now its open as to dry camping where we are close to tools etc in my shop or one of the local RV parks. The Turning stone casino RV park is beautiful but at $45/day a little pricy but I might be able to get that reduced http://turning-stone.com/lodging/rvpark/. There is also a RV park on Lake Oneida which is close at $28/night http://www.treasureislervpark.com/ Here is another RV park close by to me: http://www.aokcampgroundofnewyork.com/ rates are $25/day Its also open as to whether you bring your families as there is a lot to do in this area. Casino has good floor shows, restaurants etc are excellent http://turning-stone.com/calendar/. The area also has some of the best old world italian restaurants closebye where you can get handmade italian food at noon for less then $5 including home made bread and of course lots of italian pastries. There are other restaurants close by such as large chinese buffets that are very reasonable. Also close by is the Oneida Silver company where we can get beautiful silver and stainless steel etc and very reduced prices. Send me a private message if you are interested. tom warner vernon center,ny 1985 PT 40 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 5a. Re: Lighter Switch Source??? Posted by: "Jack and Liz Pearce" jlpearce@... homesicktexans_33009 Thu May 3, 2007 8:03 am (PST) Howdy, Chet. Thanks for the reply and I apologize for being so late. Called BB parts and that's about the same price PLUS shipping and handling. Regards, Liz Pearce Regards, Jack and Liz Pearce Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40 Wintering In Hondo, TX - 2006 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "chet geist" > > Go to the nearest wholesale commercial electrical supplier they should have > one. Don't forget your check book they are not cheap. The one I purchased > cost me $25.36. > > Chet Geist > 1981 FC33, Austin, Texas > > -----Original Message----- > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jack and Liz Pearce > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:06 PM > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Lighter Switch Source??? > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 6a. Some FC 31 questions Posted by: "ultrask824" ultrask824@... ultrask824 Thu May 3, 2007 8:39 am (PST) I am talking to a seller with a 77 FC 31, 3208 NA. He says he cruises at 67 mph and gets 10mpg, I am wondering about the accuracy of this. I saw the RPM chart on Vintage Birds, the 67mph is possible with the larger tires (I don't know what size he has on it) at 2700 rpm. The price seems reasonable , $19k, (no leveling jacks tho), looking for some input or helpful info. Thanks Jonny Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 6b. Re: Some FC 31 questions Posted by: "grizz46s" roggie@... grizz46s Thu May 3, 2007 9:15 am (PST) --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ultrask824" > > I am talking to a seller with a 77 FC 31, 3208 NA. He says he cruises > at 67 mph and gets 10mpg, I am wondering about the accuracy of this. > I saw the RPM chart on Vintage Birds, the 67mph is possible with the > larger tires (I don't know what size he has on it) at 2700 rpm. > > The price seems reasonable , $19k, (no leveling jacks tho), looking > for some input or helpful info. > > Thanks > > Jonny > I have an 81 fc with the 3208, and I would say that the cruise speed is most likely accurate or at least close. The milage at that speed may be a bit of an exaggeration. I find to get that mileage I have to keep the speed closer to 55. As for the price, it is really difficult to say without more info. Are the jacks the only system that is inoperative? There are a great many things that could cost far more to repair than the jacks. Look it over closely. I purchased a coach on the owner's word that the only thing wrong with the coach was the tach. When I got there to pick it up I found a coach that looked very good on the outside, but was very poor condition on the inside. Replacing flooring, AC units, heaters, toilet, exhaust fans, and reupholstering, made a reasonable price no longer so reasonable. My advice, "Buyer be ware!" Check it over closely, if the majority of the systems are in good woring order 19K is a good price in my estimation, but be very careful or you can end up like me. I will be happy when I am done, but it has cost me far more than I had anticipated to get there. Gene Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 7a. 84FC35 ride height Posted by: "Keith Strehle" strehlekeith@... strehlekeith Thu May 3, 2007 8:55 am (PST) How difficult is it to adjust the ride height on my 84FC? What is the proper ride height and where do I measure from? Should I have someone do this for me? Keith 84FC35 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 7b. Re: 84FC35 ride height Posted by: "Ralph L. Fullenwider" rlf47@... rlfrvtech Thu May 3, 2007 9:13 am (PST) Keith: There should be a blue folder in your blue box for the ridewell air suspension system. It will direct you on how to set the ride height and you can do it yourself. It is time consuming though and best to make small adjustments, run the coach around the block then measure, then adjust and go around the block and so forth. The front will be aprox 1 inch lower in the front and that is normal. Safe travels, Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider 84FC35 Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma At 03:52 PM 5/3/2007 +0000, you wrote: >How difficult is it to adjust the ride height on my 84FC? What is the >proper ride height and where do I measure from? > >Should I have someone do this for me? > >Keith >84FC35 > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity 11 New Members 4 New Links 1 New Files Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS Recreational vehicles Recreational vehicle financing Recreational vehicle repair Recreational vehicle rental Recreational vehicle camper Health Zone Look your best! Groups to help you look & feel great. Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Market Online Drive traffic to your web site with Sponsored Search. Need to Reply? Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/785 - Release Date: 5/2/2007 2:16 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] buyer beware - bubblerboy64 - 05-04-2007 04:02 And in addition to all that has been said. How does a person place a price on an older blue bird? I see similar buses with prices ranging from mid to high teens to as high as 50K for what appears to be the same coach. I tend to go by the completed sales on eBay. Most of what is listed doesn't sell but those that do are at least an indicator of what is real numbers on these vehicles. But of course there is no way to accurately judge condition other then pictures. I would strongly suggest to the sellers a couple things. One, take good pictures and lots of them and make them available to all who inquire. I read the ads here on the "Bill Board" and I skip completely the ones that give no details. The more details the better and especially what has done for improvements. A simple trick for photographs is to close the blinds in the coach so the camera is not tricked by the sun coming thru the glass. Heck you can't make out a thing in those types of pictures. Make the beds up and have the thing looking like it's being used and loved. A stained old mattress is going to turn off everyone. I bet everyone of your coaches would sell if you would have a professional do the work up and advertise wisely. Would you spend a couple hundred dollars to sell it? If you have a nice coach and can't sell it its because you are either being unrealistic in what you expect to get for it or you are not doing a good job in the presentation, there is a market. If you go to RV traider on line you can see what I mean. Late seventies BB's listed for $50,000 and one picture and almost no details. A buyer would have to be nuts to respond to an ad like that, and many of the ones on the bill board are not much better. And mention up front where the coach is located. I am not going to California to shop but there are many that would. I've written to guys and they haven't even returned my inquirey. How do you know how serious I am? I am not certain myself till I see the right bus. My more then 2 cents. John Heckman > > Tom, I feel your pain. I Have a couple of times listed my 80fc because I am not a mechanically inclined person and think vintage birds are for them. > > Last time I listed it at $15 K and found that even when listed as firm the shoppers were looking to pick it up for a lot less. I too like to get bargains but Gee. > > Anyway it is paid for and in fine shape and inspite of upkeep and fuel prices I figure I am way ahead of investing in an SOB and paying higher taxes, insurance,etc. > > However in your case being a two bird owner I know you are frustrated. I bought mine from a two bird person. Bought a lot of trouble because I thought he was a better person than he was. We were having dinner after we closed the deal and a guy came up to our table and said"Hey, I see you finally unloaded it!" Oman for the beginning of troubles. Maury 80fc31' > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Meservey > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:52 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] buyer beware > > > As of late several members have bought coachs at what they thought was a real bargin, only to find out many of the little hidden things that one CANNOT see, and have them ended up with a "not so great bargin." > > Here I am sitting with a 33 foot 1981 BB, in excellant running and material condition, offered up at a reasonable price twice on eBay, and not one taker. Yes the exterier is going to need painting, but there is NO rust, the bumpers are in tact, and there is a new replaced parts list a mile long. I have documented everything I have done or had done. New air bags on a '81 alone are worth alot, plus new air compressor, electric dump valves etc. This forum is great for "lurkers" to find out what is what, and get a chance to talk to people before they buy. Why then are people still buying 'birds that have so many issues that they ARE back yard projects. Beats me. > > Tom Meservey, USN (Ret) > Ladson, SC > > > WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Wanderlodge Forum > Messages In This Digest (9 Messages) > 1a. > Re: Blue Bird Clock From: g_man1146 > 2. > Check Transmission Light 86pt 8V92 do not shift From: Gregory OConnor > 3. > Mobile Satellite Television System From: heeneyfwaolcom > 4a. > East Coast rally in Vernon NY June 8-10,2007 From: Tom Warner > 5a. > Re: Lighter Switch Source??? From: Jack and Liz Pearce > 6a. > Some FC 31 questions From: ultrask824 > 6b. > Re: Some FC 31 questions From: grizz46s > 7a. > 84FC35 ride height From: Keith Strehle > 7b. > Re: 84FC35 ride height From: Ralph L. Fullenwider > View All Topics | Create New Topic > Messages > 1a. > Re: Blue Bird Clock Posted by: "g_man1146" gman1146@... g_man1146 Thu May 3, 2007 6:51 am (PST) Hi Bob, > > I saw that and wondered why the high price. Is an original worth so > much more than a replica that can be easily made by anyone with basic > high school shop woodworking skills and a $5.00 quartz movement? Just > curious. > > Rich D. '99LXi43' CT > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "robertnloomas" > wrote: > > > > Anybody looking for a blue bird wall clock there is one on ebay > > Bob Loomas 1985 PT > > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > 2. > Check Transmission Light 86pt 8V92 do not shift Posted by: "Gregory OConnor" Gregoryoc@... gregoryoconnor Thu May 3, 2007 6:54 am (PST) Ryan wrote: > The "Check > trans" switch, when flipped the opposite direction of what it was, > caused the "check trans" light to flash the code: Three quick flashes, > short pause, two more flashes, long pause, repeat. So, first digit 3, > second 2 = code 32. Having read OBD diagnostic codes off of cars for > years (many early systems would flash the "check engine" light in the > same manner to show you the codes) this was second nature to me. > > So, I called Mr. Oliver's and Paul gave me a name & phone number, and > that person found an Allison dealer close to me and also looked up the > code info. > > As for the "J" solenoid, apparently it regulates shifting. This makes > sense given that the light only comes on after shifting. ~$200 + 4-5 > hours labor to replace I'm told. I'll find out for sure in the > morning, I suppose. ![]() > > -Ryan > 86pt40 8V > On the Road > > Ryan I reposted your informative post under a new thread because it > holds good info. The thread subject name and "proper ID of bus" will > help others find the info. > > I think it a good idea to remind the Allison Tec that the bus 1) has a > batterybank 2)bank gets depleated during long storage 3)a very high > amp alt. If the J solenoid is shifting properly, why change it. The > code may be generated by some volt, wire, or connection problem that > wont get replaced with the new internal part. The early warning light > is proving to be a wolfcry. Dependent on; amps, ohms, volts, and all > that 'lectric bull, the computer warning lights fail to warn of a > problem with the warning. > > I had an Allison tranny shop do my first oil change filter service > because I wanted a pro to have a look at old oil character and filter > deposits and run the bus down the road. That invoice was around > 500.00 > > GregoryO'Connor > 94ptRomolandCa > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) > > 3. > Mobile Satellite Television System Posted by: "heeneyfwaolcom" heeneyfw@... heeneyfwaolcom Thu May 3, 2007 7:03 am (PST) I have a Cruise TV DBS-30500 Mobile Satellite Dish system that I no > longer need. It is free to a good home. We upgraded to a "In Motion" > system several years ago and now we no longer need this system. It has > been in storage since and although I can not guarantee, there is every > reason to believe it will still work as good as it did when I removerd > it from the coach. It comes with motorized dish, control box and > wiring and manual. To use it you park the coach level, look up > location in manual, dial in coordinates and it will find and lock on > the satellite. > If you would like to have this unit all you have to do is e-mail me > directly. heeneyfw@... Give me your location and I will tell you > your approx cost. Then you pay for shipping by FedEx and packaging. > > Frank & Rosemarie Heeney > 1987 PT 40 > Where Eagles Dare > Camden, MI > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) > > 4a. > East Coast rally in Vernon NY June 8-10,2007 Posted by: "Tom Warner" warbucks@... warbucks13477 Thu May 3, 2007 7:15 am (PST) Some BB owners are putting together a simple rally for June > 8-10 on the East coast in Vernon,New York. Shane Fedeli and Tom > Sorrentino have suggested June 8-10th. Its open as to what we do > although we can install upgrades or go over troubleshooting, reading > factory schematics etc on the coaches. Not looking for something to > structured as far as meals etc that is open for discussion. > > Right now its open as to dry camping where we are close to tools etc > in my shop or one of the local RV parks. The Turning stone casino RV > park is beautiful but at $45/day a little pricy but I might be able > to get that reduced http://turning-stone.com/lodging/rvpark/. There > is also a RV park on Lake Oneida which is close at > $28/night http://www.treasureislervpark.com/ Here is another RV > park close by to me: http://www.aokcampgroundofnewyork.com/ rates are $25/day > > Its also open as to whether you bring your families as there is a > lot to do in this area. Casino has good floor shows, restaurants etc > are excellent http://turning-stone.com/calendar/. The area also has > some of the best old world italian restaurants closebye where you can > get handmade italian food at noon for less then $5 including home > made bread and of course lots of italian pastries. There are other > restaurants close by such as large chinese buffets that are very > reasonable. Also close by is the Oneida Silver company where we can > get beautiful silver and stainless steel etc and very reduced prices. > Send me a private message if you are interested. > > tom warner > vernon center,ny > 1985 PT 40 > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (11) > > 5a. > Re: Lighter Switch Source??? Posted by: "Jack and Liz Pearce" jlpearce@... homesicktexans_33009 Thu May 3, 2007 8:03 am (PST) Howdy, Chet. > Thanks for the reply and I apologize for being so late. Called BB > parts and that's about the same price PLUS shipping and handling. > > Regards, > Liz Pearce > Regards, > Jack and Liz Pearce > Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40 > Wintering In Hondo, TX - 2006 > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "chet geist" wrote: > > > > Go to the nearest wholesale commercial electrical supplier they > should have > > one. Don't forget your check book they are not cheap. The one I > purchased > > cost me $25.36. > > > > Chet Geist > > 1981 FC33, Austin, Texas > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jack and Liz > Pearce > > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:06 PM > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Lighter Switch Source??? > > > > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) > > 6a. > Some FC 31 questions Posted by: "ultrask824" ultrask824@... ultrask824 Thu May 3, 2007 8:39 am (PST) I am talking to a seller with a 77 FC 31, 3208 NA. He says he cruises > at 67 mph and gets 10mpg, I am wondering about the accuracy of this. > I saw the RPM chart on Vintage Birds, the 67mph is possible with the > larger tires (I don't know what size he has on it) at 2700 rpm. > > The price seems reasonable , $19k, (no leveling jacks tho), looking > for some input or helpful info. > > Thanks > > Jonny > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > 6b. > Re: Some FC 31 questions Posted by: "grizz46s" roggie@... grizz46s Thu May 3, 2007 9:15 am (PST) --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ultrask824" > > > > I am talking to a seller with a 77 FC 31, 3208 NA. He says he cruises > > at 67 mph and gets 10mpg, I am wondering about the accuracy of this. > > I saw the RPM chart on Vintage Birds, the 67mph is possible with the > > larger tires (I don't know what size he has on it) at 2700 rpm. > > > > The price seems reasonable , $19k, (no leveling jacks tho), looking > > for some input or helpful info. > > > > Thanks > > > > Jonny > > > I have an 81 fc with the 3208, and I would say that the cruise speed is > most likely accurate or at least close. The milage at that speed may > be a bit of an exaggeration. I find to get that mileage I have to keep > the speed closer to 55. As for the price, it is really difficult to say > without more info. Are the jacks the only system that is inoperative? > There are a great many things that could cost far more to repair than > the jacks. Look it over closely. I purchased a coach on the owner's > word that the only thing wrong with the coach was the tach. When I got > there to pick it up I found a coach that looked very good on the > outside, but was very poor condition on the inside. Replacing flooring, > AC units, heaters, toilet, exhaust fans, and reupholstering, made a > reasonable price no longer so reasonable. My advice, "Buyer be ware!" > Check it over closely, if the majority of the systems are in good > woring order 19K is a good price in my estimation, but be very careful > or you can end up like me. I will be happy when I am done, but it has > cost me far more than I had anticipated to get there. > Gene > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > 7a. > 84FC35 ride height Posted by: "Keith Strehle" strehlekeith@... strehlekeith Thu May 3, 2007 8:55 am (PST) How difficult is it to adjust the ride height on my 84FC? What is the > proper ride height and where do I measure from? > > Should I have someone do this for me? > > Keith > 84FC35 > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > 7b. > Re: 84FC35 ride height Posted by: "Ralph L. Fullenwider" rlf47@... rlfrvtech Thu May 3, 2007 9:13 am (PST) Keith: > > There should be a blue folder in your blue box for the ridewell air > suspension system. It will direct you on how to set the ride height and you > can do it yourself. It is time consuming though and best to make small > adjustments, run the coach around the block then measure, then adjust and > go around the block and so forth. The front will be aprox 1 inch lower in > the front and that is normal. > > Safe travels, > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider > 84FC35 > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma > > At 03:52 PM 5/3/2007 +0000, you wrote: > >How difficult is it to adjust the ride height on my 84FC? What is the > >proper ride height and where do I measure from? > > > >Should I have someone do this for me? > > > >Keith > >84FC35 > > > > > > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > Recent Activity > > 11 > New Members > > 4 > New Links > > 1 > New Files > > Visit Your Group > SPONSORED LINKS > > Recreational vehicles > Recreational vehicle financing > Recreational vehicle repair > Recreational vehicle rental > Recreational vehicle camper > > Health Zone > Look your best! > Groups to help you > look & feel great. > > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > > Market Online > Drive traffic to > your web site with > Sponsored Search. > > Need to Reply? > Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. > > Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls > > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/785 - Release Date: 5/2/2007 2:16 PM > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > buyer beware - davidkerryedwards - 05-04-2007 04:37 I think there are a couple of combined reasons why this occurs. It takes a certain kind of person to purchase an older complicated motorhome. Most of these people have to have confidence that they can do their own mechanical work. This typically means that they are investing their own labor into a coach for free and it is not an expense to be calculated into the purchase price, nor any actual $$ that will have to be paid out. They are typically not intimidated by problems in a coach. On the other hand, the person not mechanically inclined, looking for a coach with no problems, will not typically look at an older coach because they are afraid, despite its current good condition, that problems will occur down the road. Hence, the market for older Wanderlodge's with some needed repairs will probably always be a little more healthy than for refurbished coaches. Kerry 82 Fc 35 Denver > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Meservey > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:52 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] buyer beware > > > As of late several members have bought coachs at what they thought was a real bargin, only to find out many of the little hidden things that one CANNOT see, and have them ended up with a "not so great bargin." > > Here I am sitting with a 33 foot 1981 BB, in excellant running and material condition, offered up at a reasonable price twice on eBay, and not one taker. Yes the exterier is going to need painting, but there is NO rust, the bumpers are in tact, and there is a new replaced parts list a mile long. I have documented everything I have done or had done. New air bags on a '81 alone are worth alot, plus new air compressor, electric dump valves etc. This forum is great for "lurkers" to find out what is what, and get a chance to talk to people before they buy. Why then are people still buying 'birds that have so many issues that they ARE back yard projects. Beats me. > > Tom Meservey, USN (Ret) > Ladson, SC buyer beware - Ryan Wright - 05-04-2007 07:00 On 5/4/07, davidkerryedwards > > Hence, the market for older Wanderlodge's with some needed repairs will > probably always be a little more healthy than for refurbished coaches. Kerry, I agree to an extent. Personally, I think most people would rather have a refurbished coach - I know I looked for one that was advertised as not having any problems. The disconnect between buyer and seller comes in price: Most buyers aren't willing to pay a premium for this work. In my search, I found that people were tending to sell "average" coaches in a certain price range - what I considered "market price". Then there were the occasional "refurbished" coaches where folks wanted twenty grand above "market price". I wasn't going to pay that. In fact, I wasn't going to pay "market price" for a coach with a lot of problems, either. As a buyer, here's how it worked for me: A good coach with nothing wrong commands full market value, perhaps slightly more. In my range I identified mid eighties PT-40s and the market value I came to was about $50,000. Now, I wasn't going to pay full market value for a coach with a lot of issues. Something that needed major work I might have paid $35k for, but sellers still thought they could get $50k. On the flip side, many "perfect" coaches, folks were wanting $80k. When all was said and done I did find a very good coach with almost no problems (few things here and there, but they all have those) right near what I considered to be fair market value. This tells me that those wanting $80k for their similar coaches are high, as are those wanting $50k for something that needs $20k worth of work to make it half as nice as mine. So, there's my two cents worth. -Ryan '86 PT-40 8V92 Tri-Cities, WA buyer beware - bubblerboy64 - 05-04-2007 07:48 And again my position as a buyer. My first preference would be a completely "ready to go" older FC rear bath coach needing nothing. At a price which is "fair". And I have seen some likely prospects. Coaches which have had leather interior and repaints which have pushed the asking prices into the range of the pushers. See that's the problem. I've fooled around with antique car restorations and this is so similar. A restored vehicle is not likely to sell for the cost of the restoration. I feel some sympathy for the seller when you know what he has invested to get it right but as a buyer paying for his restoration just doesn't work either. So what's a nice coach like I am looking for really worth? Well, it's worth exactly the price negotiated between the seller and the buyer and there is the rub. There are a couple real nice newerFC buses on the Bill Board right now with prices from 50 to 60K. So are they in competition with the pushers (?) I can't say. And what does that tell you about the older FC's. One fellow has a 1975 listed for 30K. I e-mailed him see what he comes back with. From what I have been able to figure to this point his bus would have to be a ready to go coach plus some. But on the other hand as a buyer I could see that a guy could easily spend $15k and then in a short time spend an additional $15K to get it right. Price is certainly not cost. Not to belabor a point. If you have something worth the money do the work required to prove it. I could see spending $30 for a really nicely restored older coach but it would have to be exactly what I want with the proof there of. So I guess what I am saying is that I personally am not looking for a fixer upper. I can do some repairs but frankly its not my idea of fun. Certainly others would feel differently. JEH > > On 5/4/07, davidkerryedwards > > > > Hence, the market for older Wanderlodge's with some needed repairs will > > probably always be a little more healthy than for refurbished coaches. > > Kerry, > > I agree to an extent. Personally, I think most people would rather > have a refurbished coach - I know I looked for one that was advertised > as not having any problems. The disconnect between buyer and seller > comes in price: Most buyers aren't willing to pay a premium for this > work. > > In my search, I found that people were tending to sell "average" > coaches in a certain price range - what I considered "market price". > Then there were the occasional "refurbished" coaches where folks > wanted twenty grand above "market price". I wasn't going to pay that. > In fact, I wasn't going to pay "market price" for a coach with a lot > of problems, either. > > As a buyer, here's how it worked for me: A good coach with nothing > wrong commands full market value, perhaps slightly more. In my range I > identified mid eighties PT-40s and the market value I came to was > about $50,000. Now, I wasn't going to pay full market value for a > coach with a lot of issues. Something that needed major work I might > have paid $35k for, but sellers still thought they could get $50k. On > the flip side, many "perfect" coaches, folks were wanting $80k. > > When all was said and done I did find a very good coach with almost no > problems (few things here and there, but they all have those) right > near what I considered to be fair market value. This tells me that > those wanting $80k for their similar coaches are high, as are those > wanting $50k for something that needs $20k worth of work to make it > half as nice as mine. > > So, there's my two cents worth. > > -Ryan > '86 PT-40 8V92 > Tri-Cities, WA > buyer beware - robertnloomas - 05-04-2007 11:11 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64" wrote: Ill bet you would $30 K for a older bird with new tires breaks air bags 2500 inverter new refrigerator new batteries and generator new back up camera and not least new flooring so would I Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36 > > And again my position as a buyer. My first preference would be a > completely "ready to go" older FC rear bath coach needing nothing. At > a price which is "fair". And I have seen some likely prospects. > Coaches which have had leather interior and repaints which have > pushed the asking prices into the range of the pushers. See that's > the problem. I've fooled around with antique car restorations and > this is so similar. A restored vehicle is not likely to sell for the > cost of the restoration. I feel some sympathy for the seller when > you know what he has invested to get it right but as a buyer paying > for his restoration just doesn't work either. So what's a nice coach > like I am looking for really worth? Well, it's worth exactly the > price negotiated between the seller and the buyer and there is the > rub. There are a couple real nice newerFC buses on the Bill Board > right now with prices from 50 to 60K. So are they in competition with > the pushers (?) I can't say. And what does that tell you about the > older FC's. One fellow has a 1975 listed for 30K. I e-mailed him > see what he comes back with. From what I have been able to figure to > this point his bus would have to be a ready to go coach plus some. > But on the other hand as a buyer I could see that a guy could easily > spend $15k and then in a short time spend an additional $15K to get > it right. Price is certainly not cost. Not to belabor a point. If > you have something worth the money do the work required to prove it. > I could see spending $30 for a really nicely restored older coach but > it would have to be exactly what I want with the proof there of. So > I guess what I am saying is that I personally am not looking for a > fixer upper. I can do some repairs but frankly its not my idea of > fun. Certainly others would feel differently. JEH > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/4/07, davidkerryedwards > > > > > > Hence, the market for older Wanderlodge's with some needed > repairs will > > > probably always be a little more healthy than for refurbished > coaches. > > > > Kerry, > > > > I agree to an extent. Personally, I think most people would rather > > have a refurbished coach - I know I looked for one that was > advertised > > as not having any problems. The disconnect between buyer and seller > > comes in price: Most buyers aren't willing to pay a premium for this > > work. > > > > In my search, I found that people were tending to sell "average" > > coaches in a certain price range - what I considered "market price". > > Then there were the occasional "refurbished" coaches where folks > > wanted twenty grand above "market price". I wasn't going to pay > that. > > In fact, I wasn't going to pay "market price" for a coach with a lot > > of problems, either. > > > > As a buyer, here's how it worked for me: A good coach with nothing > > wrong commands full market value, perhaps slightly more. In my > range I > > identified mid eighties PT-40s and the market value I came to was > > about $50,000. Now, I wasn't going to pay full market value for a > > coach with a lot of issues. Something that needed major work I might > > have paid $35k for, but sellers still thought they could get $50k. > On > > the flip side, many "perfect" coaches, folks were wanting $80k. > > > > When all was said and done I did find a very good coach with almost > no > > problems (few things here and there, but they all have those) right > > near what I considered to be fair market value. This tells me that > > those wanting $80k for their similar coaches are high, as are those > > wanting $50k for something that needs $20k worth of work to make it > > half as nice as mine. > > > > So, there's my two cents worth. > > > > -Ryan > > '86 PT-40 8V92 > > Tri-Cities, WA > > > buyer beware - bubblerboy64 - 05-04-2007 12:18 Robert, Ya lost me here. What bluebird are you talking about? Sounds like you have something for me to look at but I am not aware of one for sale that fits your description. Please understand I am not trying to get something for nothing. I think all of us have bought and sold enough "iron" to know that taking offense is counter productive. I am looking for opinions. I threw out the number $30K as a point for discussion not an offer on anyones coach. So again ya lost me. If you study these things long enough your head starts to spin. If I misspoke I apologize. JEH > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64" > wrote: > Ill bet you would $30 K for a older bird with new tires breaks > air bags 2500 inverter new refrigerator new batteries and generator > new back up camera and not least new flooring so would I > Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36 > > > > > And again my position as a buyer. My first preference would be a > > completely "ready to go" older FC rear bath coach needing nothing. > At > > a price which is "fair". And I have seen some likely prospects. > > Coaches which have had leather interior and repaints which have > > pushed the asking prices into the range of the pushers. See that's > > the problem. I've fooled around with antique car restorations and > > this is so similar. A restored vehicle is not likely to sell for > the > > cost of the restoration. I feel some sympathy for the seller when > > you know what he has invested to get it right but as a buyer > paying > > for his restoration just doesn't work either. So what's a nice > coach > > like I am looking for really worth? Well, it's worth exactly the > > price negotiated between the seller and the buyer and there is the > > rub. There are a couple real nice newerFC buses on the Bill Board > > right now with prices from 50 to 60K. So are they in competition > with > > the pushers (?) I can't say. And what does that tell you about > the > > older FC's. One fellow has a 1975 listed for 30K. I e-mailed him > > see what he comes back with. From what I have been able to figure > to > > this point his bus would have to be a ready to go coach plus some. > > But on the other hand as a buyer I could see that a guy could > easily > > spend $15k and then in a short time spend an additional $15K to > get > > it right. Price is certainly not cost. Not to belabor a point. > If > > you have something worth the money do the work required to prove > it. > > I could see spending $30 for a really nicely restored older coach > but > > it would have to be exactly what I want with the proof there of. > So > > I guess what I am saying is that I personally am not looking for a > > fixer upper. I can do some repairs but frankly its not my idea of > > fun. Certainly others would feel differently. JEH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/4/07, davidkerryedwards > > > > > > > > Hence, the market for older Wanderlodge's with some needed > > repairs will > > > > probably always be a little more healthy than for refurbished > > coaches. > > > > > > Kerry, > > > > > > I agree to an extent. Personally, I think most people would > rather > > > have a refurbished coach - I know I looked for one that was > > advertised > > > as not having any problems. The disconnect between buyer and > seller > > > comes in price: Most buyers aren't willing to pay a premium for > this > > > work. > > > > > > In my search, I found that people were tending to sell "average" > > > coaches in a certain price range - what I considered "market > price". > > > Then there were the occasional "refurbished" coaches where folks > > > wanted twenty grand above "market price". I wasn't going to pay > > that. > > > In fact, I wasn't going to pay "market price" for a coach with a > lot > > > of problems, either. > > > > > > As a buyer, here's how it worked for me: A good coach with > nothing > > > wrong commands full market value, perhaps slightly more. In my > > range I > > > identified mid eighties PT-40s and the market value I came to was > > > about $50,000. Now, I wasn't going to pay full market value for a > > > coach with a lot of issues. Something that needed major work I > might > > > have paid $35k for, but sellers still thought they could get > $50k. > > On > > > the flip side, many "perfect" coaches, folks were wanting $80k. > > > > > > When all was said and done I did find a very good coach with > almost > > no > > > problems (few things here and there, but they all have those) > right > > > near what I considered to be fair market value. This tells me > that > > > those wanting $80k for their similar coaches are high, as are > those > > > wanting $50k for something that needs $20k worth of work to make > it > > > half as nice as mine. > > > > > > So, there's my two cents worth. > > > > > > -Ryan > > > '86 PT-40 8V92 > > > Tri-Cities, WA > > > > > > buyer beware - bubblerboy64 - 05-04-2007 13:32 Mike, That's the kind of information I need to hear. I was looking at some older NA coaches and it seemed to me that $30k might do it. Apparently not? I am just trying to gather together an idea of what is involved. I was thinking that perhaps paying $20 or about that and figuring another $10k might do it. I am not going to be able to invest $60K. I just would not get my moneys worth for what I would be using the coach for. I am not looking for a 10 out of 10. But I was thinking that for $30K a guy could have a very presentable BB which was solid. If you are telling me you bought the best you've seen and still needed to spend another $45k doing the labor yourself I pretty well better forget it. JEH > > I started out with a "fixer" for 15k. Rear bath FC. > I wuz lucky, it's the cleanest FC I've ever seen, and I have inspected a few. Bought it on the internet from on line pics. Blown engine. Figured I fix it up a little and flip it. It turned out to be so nice, decided I never find a better one. > Now that I am putting the final touches on the charge air cooler install, not to mention the exterior restoration, the change over to 24.5s the unending chassis electrical issues I'm getting real close to $60k and not much of that is farmed out labor. I did all the heavy mechanical work and most of the inside repairs, water system, lighting, vents, etc. > Depends on how you choose to spend the money, most of the good deals are when somebody dies. It pays to be a buzzard. > Cold but true. > Mike Hohnstein > Germantown, WI > 83 FC 35rb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bubblerboy64 > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:48 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: buyer beware > > > And again my position as a buyer. My first preference would be a > completely "ready to go" older FC rear bath coach needing nothing. At > a price which is "fair". And I have seen some likely prospects. > Coaches which have had leather interior and repaints which have > pushed the asking prices into the range of the pushers. See that's > the problem. I've fooled around with antique car restorations and > this is so similar. A restored vehicle is not likely to sell for the > cost of the restoration. I feel some sympathy for the seller when > you know what he has invested to get it right but as a buyer paying > for his restoration just doesn't work either. So what's a nice coach > like I am looking for really worth? Well, it's worth exactly the > price negotiated between the seller and the buyer and there is the > rub. There are a couple real nice newerFC buses on the Bill Board > right now with prices from 50 to 60K. So are they in competition with > the pushers (?) I can't say. And what does that tell you about the > older FC's. One fellow has a 1975 listed for 30K. I e-mailed him > see what he comes back with. From what I have been able to figure to > this point his bus would have to be a ready to go coach plus some. > But on the other hand as a buyer I could see that a guy could easily > spend $15k and then in a short time spend an additional $15K to get > it right. Price is certainly not cost. Not to belabor a point. If > you have something worth the money do the work required to prove it. > I could see spending $30 for a really nicely restored older coach but > it would have to be exactly what I want with the proof there of. So > I guess what I am saying is that I personally am not looking for a > fixer upper. I can do some repairs but frankly its not my idea of > fun. Certainly others would feel differently. JEH > > > > > > On 5/4/07, davidkerryedwards > > > > > > Hence, the market for older Wanderlodge's with some needed > repairs will > > > probably always be a little more healthy than for refurbished > coaches. > > > > Kerry, > > > > I agree to an extent. Personally, I think most people would rather > > have a refurbished coach - I know I looked for one that was > advertised > > as not having any problems. The disconnect between buyer and seller > > comes in price: Most buyers aren't willing to pay a premium for this > > work. > > > > In my search, I found that people were tending to sell "average" > > coaches in a certain price range - what I considered "market price". > > Then there were the occasional "refurbished" coaches where folks > > wanted twenty grand above "market price". I wasn't going to pay > that. > > In fact, I wasn't going to pay "market price" for a coach with a lot > > of problems, either. > > > > As a buyer, here's how it worked for me: A good coach with nothing > > wrong commands full market value, perhaps slightly more. In my > range I > > identified mid eighties PT-40s and the market value I came to was > > about $50,000. Now, I wasn't going to pay full market value for a > > coach with a lot of issues. Something that needed major work I might > > have paid $35k for, but sellers still thought they could get $50k. > On > > the flip side, many "perfect" coaches, folks were wanting $80k. > > > > When all was said and done I did find a very good coach with almost > no > > problems (few things here and there, but they all have those) right > > near what I considered to be fair market value. This tells me that > > those wanting $80k for their similar coaches are high, as are those > > wanting $50k for something that needs $20k worth of work to make it > > half as nice as mine. > > > > So, there's my two cents worth. > > > > -Ryan > > '86 PT-40 8V92 > > Tri-Cities, WA > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |