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Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty? - mrdonut12 - 05-16-2005 13:33

I had tire pressure problems from the day I got my bird, a year and
a half ago. I was constantly airing up the tires. They'd lose a few
pounds a day.
The fronts were new and no problem. The rears were Michelin
11R 22.5 LRH and lost air. I went to a truck tire place last Fall and
had all the valve stems replaced and that fixed the leaks. I rarely
had to add air after that.
Took a trip a month ago and aired tires before I left.
Went 1400 miles round trip. Tires were fine. I always check
tire temp when I stop. No problems.
Left for a 170 mile trip Friday, didn't check tires before I
left. Mistake #1, won't make that one again. ;o)
23 miles into the trip, wife wants front heater turned on. I
have to crawl under front to open valve. Notice right rear inner
dual appears to be flat. It is!
Air it up from on-board compressor, have new hose and tire guage.
It was flat. Zero pressure. Push in sidewall easily with hand. Flat.
Checked it with soapy water. No leaks found. Held air fine
for the next 2 days.
Cause for low pressure unknown, no cause can be found, unless
someone let the air out, in which case they laid there for nearly a
half an hour, pushing in the valve stem.
The question is, these are 4 years old, due to be replaced next
Fall. Have I damaged the tires with my actions? I'd rather wait
until Fall to buy tires. I need to drive to Rhode Island in June.
So, Guilty or Not Guilty?

George Witt
81 FC 35 WLSB
Lincoln, Nebraska--Huskers

Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty? - rrob@... - 05-16-2005 13:53

George I seem to remember reading somewhere that tire manufacturers
recommend that anytime a 'run flat' condition occurs, the tire should be
taken off the rim and inspected. I cannot remember for sure what the run
flat figures was but I think they said something like......'any tire that
has been run 20 or 30 lbs under proper inflation constitutes a run flat
condition'. In that case I would say your zero inflation experience more
than qualifies as a run flat condition.

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From: mrdonut12 mrdonut12@...
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 01:33:22 -0000
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse
Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty?





I had tire pressure problems from the day I got my bird, a year and

a half ago. I was constantly airing up the tires. They'd lose a few

pounds a day.

     The fronts were new and no problem. The rears were Michelin

11R 22.5 LRH and lost air. I went to a truck tire place last Fall and

had all the valve stems replaced and that fixed the leaks. I rarely

had to add air after that.

     Took a trip a month ago and aired tires before I left.

Went 1400 miles round trip. Tires were fine. I always check

tire temp when I stop. No problems.

     Left for a 170 mile trip Friday, didn't check tires before I

left. Mistake #1, won't make that one again. ;o)

     23 miles into the trip, wife wants front heater turned on. I

have to crawl under front to open valve. Notice right rear inner

dual appears to be flat. It is!

     Air it up from on-board compressor, have new hose and tire guage.

It was flat. Zero pressure. Push in sidewall easily with hand. Flat.

     Checked it with soapy water. No leaks found. Held air fine

for the next 2 days.

     Cause for low pressure unknown, no cause can be found, unless

someone let the air out, in which case they laid there for nearly a

half an hour, pushing in the valve stem.

     The question is, these are 4 years old, due to be replaced next

Fall. Have I damaged the tires with my actions? I'd rather wait

until Fall to buy tires. I need to drive to Rhode Island in June.

     So, Guilty or Not Guilty?



     George Witt

     81 FC 35 WLSB

     Lincoln, Nebraska--Huskers










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Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty? - randydupree - 05-16-2005 13:58

did it pop loose off the rim? randydupree93wb
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George I seem to remember reading somewhere that tire manufacturers
recommend that anytime a 'run flat' condition occurs, the tire should be
taken off the rim and inspected. I cannot remember for sure what the run
flat figures was but I think they said something like......'any tire that
has been run 20 or 30 lbs under proper inflation constitutes a run flat
condition'. In that case I would say your zero inflation experience more
than qualifies as a run flat condition.

Original Message:
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From: mrdonut12 mrdonut12@...
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 01:33:22 -0000
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse
Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty?





I had tire pressure problems from the day I got my bird, a year and

a half ago. I was constantly airing up the tires. They'd lose a few

pounds a day.

The fronts were new and no problem. The rears were Michelin

11R 22.5 LRH and lost air. I went to a truck tire place last Fall and

had all the valve stems replaced and that fixed the leaks. I rarely

had to add air after that.

Took a trip a month ago and aired tires before I left.

Went 1400 miles round trip. Tires were fine. I always check

tire temp when I stop. No problems.

Left for a 170 mile trip Friday, didn't check tires before I

left. Mistake #1, won't make that one again. ;o)

23 miles into the trip, wife wants front heater turned on. I

have to crawl under front to open valve. Notice right rear inner

dual appears to be flat. It is!

Air it up from on-board compressor, have new hose and tire guage.

It was flat. Zero pressure. Push in sidewall easily with hand. Flat.

Checked it with soapy water. No leaks found. Held air fine

for the next 2 days.

Cause for low pressure unknown, no cause can be found, unless

someone let the air out, in which case they laid there for nearly a

half an hour, pushing in the valve stem.

The question is, these are 4 years old, due to be replaced next

Fall. Have I damaged the tires with my actions? I'd rather wait

until Fall to buy tires. I need to drive to Rhode Island in June.

So, Guilty or Not Guilty?



George Witt

81 FC 35 WLSB

Lincoln, Nebraska--Huskers










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Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty? - Jeff Miller - 05-16-2005 14:13

Depending on the pressure/weight/speed on the outer dual, it was
likely overloaded with a flat inner, should be suspect also.

- Jeff Miller
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--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "rrob@t..."
wrote:
> George I seem to remember reading somewhere that tire manufacturers
> recommend that anytime a 'run flat' condition occurs, the tire
should be
> taken off the rim and inspected. I cannot remember for sure what
the run
> flat figures was but I think they said something like......'any
tire that
> has been run 20 or 30 lbs under proper inflation constitutes a run
flat
> condition'. In that case I would say your zero inflation experience
more
> than qualifies as a run flat condition.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: mrdonut12 mrdonut12@y...
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 01:33:22 -0000
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse
> Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty?
>
>
> >
>
>
> I had tire pressure problems from the day I got my bird, a year and


> a half ago.  I was constantly airing up the tires.  They'd lose a
few

> pounds a day.

>      The fronts were new and no problem.  The rears were Michelin


> 11R 22.5 LRH and lost air.  I went to a truck tire place last Fall
and

> had all the valve stems replaced and that fixed the leaks.  I
rarely

> had to add air after that. 

>      Took a trip a month ago and aired tires before I left. 

> Went 1400 miles round trip.  Tires were fine.  I always check

> tire temp when I stop.  No problems.

>      Left for a 170 mile trip Friday, didn't check tires before I


> left.  Mistake #1, won't make that one again. ;o)

>      23 miles into the trip, wife wants front heater turned on. 
I

> have to crawl under front to open valve.  Notice right rear
inner

> dual appears to be flat.  It is!

>      Air it up from on-board compressor, have new hose and tire
guage.

> It was flat.  Zero pressure.  Push in sidewall easily with hand. 
Flat.

>      Checked it with soapy water.  No leaks found.  Held air
fine

> for the next 2 days.

>      Cause for low pressure unknown, no cause can be found,
unless

> someone let the air out, in which case they laid there for nearly
a

> half an hour, pushing in the valve stem.

>      The question is, these are 4 years old, due to be replaced
next

> Fall.  Have I damaged the tires with my actions?  I'd rather
wait

> until Fall to buy tires.  I need to drive to Rhode Island in
June.

>      So, Guilty or Not Guilty?

>

>      George Witt

>      81 FC 35 WLSB

>      Lincoln, Nebraska--Huskers

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Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty? - mrdonut12 - 05-16-2005 14:16

Randy,
No, it never came off the rim and was only warm to the touch.
The outer tire was a little cooler, but was only warm, not even close
to hot.
The tire aired up easily and no air escaped from the bead in
the process.
Geo.


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, randydupree wrote:
> did it pop loose off the rim? randydupree93wb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rrob@t...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire
Abuse Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty?
>
>
> George I seem to remember reading somewhere that tire manufacturers
> recommend that anytime a 'run flat' condition occurs, the tire
should be
> taken off the rim and inspected. I cannot remember for sure what
the run
> flat figures was but I think they said something like......'any
tire that
> has been run 20 or 30 lbs under proper inflation constitutes a run
flat
> condition'. In that case I would say your zero inflation
experience more
> than qualifies as a run flat condition.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: mrdonut12 mrdonut12@y...
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 01:33:22 -0000
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse
> Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty?
>
>
> >
>
>
> I had tire pressure problems from the day I got my bird, a year
and

> a half ago. I was constantly airing up the tires. They'd lose a
few

> pounds a day.

> The fronts were new and no problem. The rears were Michelin

> 11R 22.5 LRH and lost air. I went to a truck tire place last Fall
and

> had all the valve stems replaced and that fixed the leaks. I
rarely

> had to add air after that.

> Took a trip a month ago and aired tires before I left.

> Went 1400 miles round trip. Tires were fine. I always check

> tire temp when I stop. No problems.

> Left for a 170 mile trip Friday, didn't check tires before I

> left. Mistake #1, won't make that one again. ;o)

> 23 miles into the trip, wife wants front heater turned on. I

> have to crawl under front to open valve. Notice right rear inner

> dual appears to be flat. It is!

> Air it up from on-board compressor, have new hose and tire
guage.

> It was flat. Zero pressure. Push in sidewall easily with hand.
Flat.

> Checked it with soapy water. No leaks found. Held air fine

> for the next 2 days.

> Cause for low pressure unknown, no cause can be found, unless

> someone let the air out, in which case they laid there for nearly
a

> half an hour, pushing in the valve stem.

> The question is, these are 4 years old, due to be replaced
next

> Fall. Have I damaged the tires with my actions? I'd rather wait

> until Fall to buy tires. I need to drive to Rhode Island in June.

> So, Guilty or Not Guilty?

>

> George Witt

> 81 FC 35 WLSB

> Lincoln, Nebraska--Huskers

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Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty? - mrdonut12 - 05-16-2005 14:19

Jeff,
The outer tire is my concern. I don't believe the inner
suffered at all in the process, since it never got hot.
The outer, on the other hand, was overloaded. I drove
59 mph for 18 miles or so on it. The rest of the time it
was city traffic.
I don't know what constitutes abuse and when I should
worry about it.
Geo.

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Miller"
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> Depending on the pressure/weight/speed on the outer dual, it was
> likely overloaded with a flat inner, should be suspect also.
>
> - Jeff Miller
> http://www.wanderlodge.net
> http://www.millercoachworks.com
>
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> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "rrob@t..."
> wrote:
> > George I seem to remember reading somewhere that tire manufacturers
> > recommend that anytime a 'run flat' condition occurs, the tire
> should be
> > taken off the rim and inspected. I cannot remember for sure what
> the run
> > flat figures was but I think they said something like......'any
> tire that
> > has been run 20 or 30 lbs under proper inflation constitutes a run
> flat
> > condition'. In that case I would say your zero inflation experience
> more
> > than qualifies as a run flat condition.
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: mrdonut12 mrdonut12@y...
> > Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 01:33:22 -0000
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse
> > Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty?
> >
> >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > I had tire pressure problems from the day I got my bird, a year and
>

> > a half ago. I was constantly airing up the tires. They'd lose a
> few

> > pounds a day.

> > The fronts were new and no problem. The rears were Michelin
>

> > 11R 22.5 LRH and lost air. I went to a truck tire place last Fall
> and

> > had all the valve stems replaced and that fixed the leaks. I
> rarely

> > had to add air after that.

> > Took a trip a month ago and aired tires before I left.

> > Went 1400 miles round trip. Tires were fine. I always check

> > tire temp when I stop. No problems.

> > Left for a 170 mile trip Friday, didn't check tires before I
>

> > left. Mistake #1, won't make that one again. ;o)

> > 23 miles into the trip, wife wants front heater turned on.
> I

> > have to crawl under front to open valve. Notice right rear
> inner

> > dual appears to be flat. It is!

> > Air it up from on-board compressor, have new hose and tire
> guage.

> > It was flat. Zero pressure. Push in sidewall easily with hand.
> Flat.

> > Checked it with soapy water. No leaks found. Held air
> fine

> > for the next 2 days.

> > Cause for low pressure unknown, no cause can be found,
> unless

> > someone let the air out, in which case they laid there for nearly
> a

> > half an hour, pushing in the valve stem.

> > The question is, these are 4 years old, due to be replaced
> next

> > Fall. Have I damaged the tires with my actions? I'd rather
> wait

> > until Fall to buy tires. I need to drive to Rhode Island in
> June.

> > So, Guilty or Not Guilty?

> >

> > George Witt

> > 81 FC 35 WLSB

> > Lincoln, Nebraska--Huskers

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Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty? - randydupree - 05-16-2005 14:26

once while driving along i decided to stop and check my tires.the inside on the
drive was flat.i aired it up and it was fine,turns out the valvestem was
leaking,didnt leak sitting still,but driving along i guess it wiggled or
something,and leaked..my tire was fine after airing it up. randydupree93wb
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Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse Verdict:
Guilty or Not Guilty?


Randy,
No, it never came off the rim and was only warm to the touch.
The outer tire was a little cooler, but was only warm, not even close
to hot.
The tire aired up easily and no air escaped from the bead in
the process.
Geo.


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> did it pop loose off the rim? randydupree93wb
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire
Abuse Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty?
>
>
> George I seem to remember reading somewhere that tire manufacturers
> recommend that anytime a 'run flat' condition occurs, the tire
should be
> taken off the rim and inspected. I cannot remember for sure what
the run
> flat figures was but I think they said something like......'any
tire that
> has been run 20 or 30 lbs under proper inflation constitutes a run
flat
> condition'. In that case I would say your zero inflation
experience more
> than qualifies as a run flat condition.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: mrdonut12 mrdonut12@y...
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 01:33:22 -0000
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse
> Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty?
>
>
> >
>
>
> I had tire pressure problems from the day I got my bird, a year
and

> a half ago. I was constantly airing up the tires. They'd lose a
few

> pounds a day.

> The fronts were new and no problem. The rears were Michelin

> 11R 22.5 LRH and lost air. I went to a truck tire place last Fall
and

> had all the valve stems replaced and that fixed the leaks. I
rarely

> had to add air after that.

> Took a trip a month ago and aired tires before I left.

> Went 1400 miles round trip. Tires were fine. I always check

> tire temp when I stop. No problems.

> Left for a 170 mile trip Friday, didn't check tires before I

> left. Mistake #1, won't make that one again. ;o)

> 23 miles into the trip, wife wants front heater turned on. I

> have to crawl under front to open valve. Notice right rear inner

> dual appears to be flat. It is!

> Air it up from on-board compressor, have new hose and tire
guage.

> It was flat. Zero pressure. Push in sidewall easily with hand.
Flat.

> Checked it with soapy water. No leaks found. Held air fine

> for the next 2 days.

> Cause for low pressure unknown, no cause can be found, unless

> someone let the air out, in which case they laid there for nearly
a

> half an hour, pushing in the valve stem.

> The question is, these are 4 years old, due to be replaced
next

> Fall. Have I damaged the tires with my actions? I'd rather wait

> until Fall to buy tires. I need to drive to Rhode Island in June.

> So, Guilty or Not Guilty?

>

> George Witt

> 81 FC 35 WLSB

> Lincoln, Nebraska--Huskers

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Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty? - Mike Hohnstein - 05-16-2005 14:54

Rim leak, the Alcoas get chewed up pretty bad from moisture where the rubber
meets the aluminum. There is a can of rim sealer in your future. Quality time
with a wire brush wheel on a die grinder too.
Mike Hohnstein
Germantown, WI
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Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse Verdict:
Guilty or Not Guilty?


I had tire pressure problems from the day I got my bird, a year and
a half ago. I was constantly airing up the tires. They'd lose a few
pounds a day.
The fronts were new and no problem. The rears were Michelin
11R 22.5 LRH and lost air. I went to a truck tire place last Fall and
had all the valve stems replaced and that fixed the leaks. I rarely
had to add air after that.
Took a trip a month ago and aired tires before I left.
Went 1400 miles round trip. Tires were fine. I always check
tire temp when I stop. No problems.
Left for a 170 mile trip Friday, didn't check tires before I
left. Mistake #1, won't make that one again. ;o)
23 miles into the trip, wife wants front heater turned on. I
have to crawl under front to open valve. Notice right rear inner
dual appears to be flat. It is!
Air it up from on-board compressor, have new hose and tire guage.
It was flat. Zero pressure. Push in sidewall easily with hand. Flat.
Checked it with soapy water. No leaks found. Held air fine
for the next 2 days.
Cause for low pressure unknown, no cause can be found, unless
someone let the air out, in which case they laid there for nearly a
half an hour, pushing in the valve stem.
The question is, these are 4 years old, due to be replaced next
Fall. Have I damaged the tires with my actions? I'd rather wait
until Fall to buy tires. I need to drive to Rhode Island in June.
So, Guilty or Not Guilty?

George Witt
81 FC 35 WLSB
Lincoln, Nebraska--Huskers




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Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty? - Jeff Miller - 05-17-2005 03:14

It would certainly be a good idea to have someone look at it, but
based on what you said it is in my opinion probably unharmed by this
short drive and moderate speed. Your '81 (depending on length and
loading) is likely around 18,000lbs on the drive axle which is
overloading the tire at max. rated speed even at full pressure, but
this is largely a function of heat buildup.

Tires are unpredictable however, have them checked and if there is
any concern sell them and buy new.

- Jeff Miller
http://www.wanderlodge.net
http://www.millercoachworks.com


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mrdonut12" <mrdonut12@y...>
wrote:
> Jeff,
> The outer tire is my concern. I don't believe the inner
> suffered at all in the process, since it never got hot.
> The outer, on the other hand, was overloaded. I drove
> 59 mph for 18 miles or so on it. The rest of the time it
> was city traffic.
> I don't know what constitutes abuse and when I should
> worry about it.
> Geo.

Suspect: Mr Donut Charge: Tire Abuse Verdict: Guilty or Not Guilty? - freewill2008 - 05-17-2005 06:32

I like to check tire pressure regularly with a gauge, but an even
quicker way to prevent driving off with a soft rear tire is the
hammer trick that is quickly learned by watching truckers at a rest
stop. Bounce a 3-4 pound hammer off the tread a few times and you
will quickly learn when the rebound is "soft".

This is not a substitute for maintaining the correct pressure with a
gauge, but since it is fast and convenient it can keep you from
missing a soft tire. It also makes you walk around the vehicle and
observe everything else.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mrdonut12" <mrdonut12@y...>
wrote:
> I had tire pressure problems from the day I got my bird, a year and
> a half ago. I was constantly airing up the tires. They'd lose a
few
> pounds a day.
> The fronts were new and no problem. The rears were Michelin
> 11R 22.5 LRH and lost air. I went to a truck tire place last Fall
and
> had all the valve stems replaced and that fixed the leaks. I rarely
> had to add air after that.
> Took a trip a month ago and aired tires before I left.
> Went 1400 miles round trip. Tires were fine. I always check
> tire temp when I stop. No problems.
> Left for a 170 mile trip Friday, didn't check tires before I
> left. Mistake #1, won't make that one again. ;o)
> 23 miles into the trip, wife wants front heater turned on. I
> have to crawl under front to open valve. Notice right rear inner
> dual appears to be flat. It is!
> Air it up from on-board compressor, have new hose and tire
guage.
> It was flat. Zero pressure. Push in sidewall easily with hand.
Flat.
> Checked it with soapy water. No leaks found. Held air fine
> for the next 2 days.
> Cause for low pressure unknown, no cause can be found, unless
> someone let the air out, in which case they laid there for nearly a
> half an hour, pushing in the valve stem.
> The question is, these are 4 years old, due to be replaced next
> Fall. Have I damaged the tires with my actions? I'd rather wait
> until Fall to buy tires. I need to drive to Rhode Island in June.
> So, Guilty or Not Guilty?
>
> George Witt
> 81 FC 35 WLSB
> Lincoln, Nebraska--Huskers