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Generator Won't Start? - Leroy Eckert - 06-22-2006 13:53
Curt:
Didn't mean to sound like disagreeing. Just pointing out that a diesel engine
will run indefinitely once started. If it hasn't started yet there must be some
weird gremlin in the thing.
There are not many things in my system that will prevent the engine from
starting. Hope it gets going.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL.
----- Original Message -----
From: Curt Sprenger
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Generator Won't Start?
Leroy,
Agreed. That is what I'm pointing out. It could be electrical issues are
keeping solenoids (or something else) from performing as required.
Another thought is getting Mike's unit to a test station will hopefully
support Mike having a working generator when he leaves on his trip in
less than two weeks. If we were closer we could join in the search for
the problem(s). The shop spent about an hour to test our gen. system,
$85.00, cheap for this part of the country.
Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
jwasnewski wrote:
> I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a diesel
> engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and could push it
> down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the coolant runs
> out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being said, there
> is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think we need
> more feedback and think simple.
>
> Thanks,
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40
> Niceville, FL
>
> - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> >
> > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage (voltage to
> > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine to start. No
> > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I suggest taking
> your
> > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set tested. Maybe
> the
> > voltage regulator is bad.
> >
> > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next time it would
> turn
> > over but it would not start. I had to replace the alternator
> because on
> > initial start it would not create the voltage necessary for the
> unit to
> > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting (lack of use).
> Our
> > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator. The Kohler
> > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a Newage unit.
> I
> > hope your problem is not the same.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> >
>
>
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Generator Won't Start? - Leroy Eckert - 06-22-2006 13:59
Curt:
Just as I sent the e-mail one other thing came to mind. Glow plugs. It would
be unusual if they failed abruptly but anything can happen. These 4 cylinder
diesel engines are very difficult to start without glow plugs operating
properly.
Leroy
----- Original Message -----
From: Curt Sprenger
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Generator Won't Start?
Leroy,
Agreed. That is what I'm pointing out. It could be electrical issues are
keeping solenoids (or something else) from performing as required.
Another thought is getting Mike's unit to a test station will hopefully
support Mike having a working generator when he leaves on his trip in
less than two weeks. If we were closer we could join in the search for
the problem(s). The shop spent about an hour to test our gen. system,
$85.00, cheap for this part of the country.
Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
jwasnewski wrote:
> I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a diesel
> engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and could push it
> down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the coolant runs
> out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being said, there
> is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think we need
> more feedback and think simple.
>
> Thanks,
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40
> Niceville, FL
>
> - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> >
> > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage (voltage to
> > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine to start. No
> > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I suggest taking
> your
> > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set tested. Maybe
> the
> > voltage regulator is bad.
> >
> > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next time it would
> turn
> > over but it would not start. I had to replace the alternator
> because on
> > initial start it would not create the voltage necessary for the
> unit to
> > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting (lack of use).
> Our
> > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator. The Kohler
> > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a Newage unit.
> I
> > hope your problem is not the same.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> >
>
>
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Generator Won't Start? - one_dusty_hoot - 06-22-2006 14:54
Should go here, past my bed time for sure.
#################################################################
Hey Mike!, this thread goes back a long ways to Message #12391 when
you said you were heading to Montana in 2 weeks. Do you have that
generator running yet?
We don't want you to miss the bus, it's yours! And...we hate to see
you heading West without the air, been there, done that. Even with
the windows open you can get little air.
Give a report on what you have found and done, surely one of us
here have had a similiar situation. We have all the answers but
slap outta questions.
You said the "Light" did not come on when you pressed the switch.
Have you checked the fuses?
Have you measure any voltages?
Bob 87 FC35 Greenville, SC
Generator Won't Start? - Curt Sprenger - 06-22-2006 15:09
Leroy,
I didn't read it as you were disagreeing. You are right about diesels
once started. The one in question needs that start. Too bad we aren't
closer to take a look. My thought was to get it to a shop early and not
interfere with his vacation.
I had BIG troubles with our gen. set last year. I planned to leave on
vacation in June...got underway in September. It took that long to get
the unit R&R twice and working again...very long story...$$$ too.
Gen Set Coolant Project - Yesterday & today I installed the fan housing
& radiator, and all new hoses. The hoses were fun. The lesson learned is
the old hoses are exactly the right length. The new hoses fit fine after
I cut them back to be the same length. I'm waiting on the temperature
sender and and the high temp. sensor to arrive. Should have this all
buttoned up and working early next week.
You said the hoses are high priced...right! They cost nearly $400.00.
That comes out to about $16.00/ft.
Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
Leroy Eckert wrote:
> Curt:
>
> Didn't mean to sound like disagreeing. Just pointing out that a diesel
> engine will run indefinitely once started. If it hasn't started yet
> there must be some weird gremlin in the thing.
> There are not many things in my system that will prevent the engine
> from starting. Hope it gets going.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40
> Niceville, FL.
>
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Generator Won't Start? - jwasnewski - 06-23-2006 11:07
Curt: Sounds like you are getting there on your generator. You
will be very happy you did the upgrade. It should provide you with
long term service. Mine works great since I did all of the deferred
maintenance. Today I put a granite countertop and a Oceana hand made
glass sink in our vanity. Little things really do count. Looks
fabulous.
I hope that generator started. Anyone heard? While I was installing
the top I was searching for electrical reason and wondered if the
following could happen. There are 4 start stop switches for the
generator on my coach, each spring loaded to neutral position Is it
possible that one of the switches is loaded in the stop position?
Would this cause the generator not to start? I do not know and am
afraid to pull off a test for fear that I may not like the result if
something goes wrong.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40
Niceville, FL
- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger
>
> Leroy,
>
> I didn't read it as you were disagreeing. You are right about
diesels
> once started. The one in question needs that start. Too bad we
aren't
> closer to take a look. My thought was to get it to a shop early and
not
> interfere with his vacation.
>
> I had BIG troubles with our gen. set last year. I planned to leave
on
> vacation in June...got underway in September. It took that long to
get
> the unit R&R twice and working again...very long story...$$$ too.
>
> Gen Set Coolant Project - Yesterday & today I installed the fan
housing
> & radiator, and all new hoses. The hoses were fun. The lesson
learned is
> the old hoses are exactly the right length. The new hoses fit fine
after
> I cut them back to be the same length. I'm waiting on the
temperature
> sender and and the high temp. sensor to arrive. Should have this
all
> buttoned up and working early next week.
>
> You said the hoses are high priced...right! They cost nearly
$400.00.
> That comes out to about $16.00/ft.
>
> Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
>
>
> Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
> > Curt:
> >
> > Didn't mean to sound like disagreeing. Just pointing out that a
diesel
> > engine will run indefinitely once started. If it hasn't started
yet
> > there must be some weird gremlin in the thing.
> > There are not many things in my system that will prevent the
engine
> > from starting. Hope it gets going.
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40
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Generator Won't Start? - mbulriss - 06-23-2006 11:48
> Leroy Eckert worte:
>Today I put a granite countertop and a Oceana hand made
>glass sink in our vanity. Little things really do count. Looks
>fabulous.
OK Leroy, now you just have too much time on your hands!! Wish you
had done it sooner so we could have put it in the Bird of the Week
collage also!!
Uh,... can you sent me pictures and supply lists on the vanity sink??
I kinda sorta wanted to do the same thing.
Thanks,
Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "jwasnewski"
wrote:
>
> Curt: Sounds like you are getting there on your generator. You
> will be very happy you did the upgrade. It should provide you with
> long term service. Mine works great since I did all of the deferred
> maintenance. Today I put a granite countertop and a Oceana hand made
> glass sink in our vanity. Little things really do count. Looks
> fabulous.
>
> I hope that generator started. Anyone heard? While I was installing
> the top I was searching for electrical reason and wondered if the
> following could happen. There are 4 start stop switches for the
> generator on my coach, each spring loaded to neutral position Is it
> possible that one of the switches is loaded in the stop position?
> Would this cause the generator not to start? I do not know and am
> afraid to pull off a test for fear that I may not like the result if
> something goes wrong.
>
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40
> Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger
>
> >
> > Leroy,
> >
> > I didn't read it as you were disagreeing. You are right about
> diesels
> > once started. The one in question needs that start. Too bad we
> aren't
> > closer to take a look. My thought was to get it to a shop early and
> not
> > interfere with his vacation.
> >
> > I had BIG troubles with our gen. set last year. I planned to leave
> on
> > vacation in June...got underway in September. It took that long to
> get
> > the unit R&R twice and working again...very long story...$$$ too.
> >
> > Gen Set Coolant Project - Yesterday & today I installed the fan
> housing
> > & radiator, and all new hoses. The hoses were fun. The lesson
> learned is
> > the old hoses are exactly the right length. The new hoses fit fine
> after
> > I cut them back to be the same length. I'm waiting on the
> temperature
> > sender and and the high temp. sensor to arrive. Should have this
> all
> > buttoned up and working early next week.
> >
> > You said the hoses are high priced...right! They cost nearly
> $400.00.
> > That comes out to about $16.00/ft.
> >
> > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> >
> >
> > Leroy Eckert wrote:
> >
> > > Curt:
> > >
> > > Didn't mean to sound like disagreeing. Just pointing out that a
> diesel
> > > engine will run indefinitely once started. If it hasn't started
> yet
> > > there must be some weird gremlin in the thing.
> > > There are not many things in my system that will prevent the
> engine
> > > from starting. Hope it gets going.
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990 WB-40
> > > Niceville, FL.
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Generator Won't Start? - Curt Sprenger - 06-23-2006 12:44
Leroy,
Please send me picture too.
The stainless looks great! Nice work! Put more pictures out on the forum
so we can see more detail.
Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
mbulriss wrote:
> > Leroy Eckert worte:
> >Today I put a granite countertop and a Oceana hand made
> >glass sink in our vanity. Little things really do count. Looks
> >fabulous.
>
> OK Leroy, now you just have too much time on your hands!! Wish you
> had done it sooner so we could have put it in the Bird of the Week
> collage also!!
>
> Uh,... can you sent me pictures and supply lists on the vanity sink??
> I kinda sorta wanted to do the same thing.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Curt: Sounds like you are getting there on your generator. You
> > will be very happy you did the upgrade. It should provide you with
> > long term service. Mine works great since I did all of the deferred
> > maintenance. Today I put a granite countertop and a Oceana hand made
> > glass sink in our vanity. Little things really do count. Looks
> > fabulous.
> >
> > I hope that generator started. Anyone heard? While I was installing
> > the top I was searching for electrical reason and wondered if the
> > following could happen. There are 4 start stop switches for the
> > generator on my coach, each spring loaded to neutral position Is it
> > possible that one of the switches is loaded in the stop position?
> > Would this cause the generator not to start? I do not know and am
> > afraid to pull off a test for fear that I may not like the result if
> > something goes wrong.
> >
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
> > >
> > > Leroy,
> > >
> > > I didn't read it as you were disagreeing. You are right about
> > diesels
> > > once started. The one in question needs that start. Too bad we
> > aren't
> > > closer to take a look. My thought was to get it to a shop early and
> > not
> > > interfere with his vacation.
> > >
> > > I had BIG troubles with our gen. set last year. I planned to leave
> > on
> > > vacation in June...got underway in September. It took that long to
> > get
> > > the unit R&R twice and working again...very long story...$$$ too.
> > >
> > > Gen Set Coolant Project - Yesterday & today I installed the fan
> > housing
> > > & radiator, and all new hoses. The hoses were fun. The lesson
> > learned is
> > > the old hoses are exactly the right length. The new hoses fit fine
> > after
> > > I cut them back to be the same length. I'm waiting on the
> > temperature
> > > sender and and the high temp. sensor to arrive. Should have this
> > all
> > > buttoned up and working early next week.
> > >
> > > You said the hoses are high priced...right! They cost nearly
> > $400.00.
> > > That comes out to about $16.00/ft.
> > >
> > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > >
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert wrote:
> > >
> > > > Curt:
> > > >
> > > > Didn't mean to sound like disagreeing. Just pointing out that a
> > diesel
> > > > engine will run indefinitely once started. If it hasn't started
> > yet
> > > > there must be some weird gremlin in the thing.
> > > > There are not many things in my system that will prevent the
> > engine
> > > > from starting. Hope it gets going.
> > > > Leroy Eckert
> > > > 1990 WB-40
> > > > Niceville, FL.
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > >
> > > > We Made Changes
> > > >
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Generator Won't Start? - Curt Sprenger - 06-23-2006 13:19
Leroy,
Where is Mike?
Interesting thought..."There are 4 start stop switches for the generator
on my coach, each spring loaded to neutral position Is it
possible that one of the switches is loaded in the stop position? Would
this cause the generator not to start? I do not know and am afraid to
pull off a test for fear that I may not like the result if something
goes wrong."
I don't know the answer and like you don't care to experiment. Would
removing each switch and testing them provide the answer? I'd have to
spend some time thinking about how to test the switches. Someone will
respond and and let us know.
Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
Generator Won't Start? - Mike Meister - 06-23-2006 13:46
Hey guys!
Been busy at work this week. I have not had a chance to look at the
Gen issue yet, will go get the bird in the morning and trouble (with
my limited electrical knowledge)
It has fresh plugs (2 months old) but I will check, I will also
check the fuse in the control panel but I replaced that 2 months ago
also...
like I said, I started it 10 times in 2 days after I installed the
disconnect switch. A week later- NOTHING!
I will update tomorrow morning around 10am. If I can't get it going
by Sunday night I will take it to a shop (we leave Friday afternoon
for a 4,000 mile roundtrip drive to Big Fork,Mt)
Thanks for thinking about me
mike
80FC33
Taylor Mill, Ky.
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
>
> Should go here, past my bed time for sure.
> #################################################################
> Hey Mike!, this thread goes back a long ways to Message #12391 when
> you said you were heading to Montana in 2 weeks. Do you have that
> generator running yet?
>
> We don't want you to miss the bus, it's yours! And...we hate to see
> you heading West without the air, been there, done that. Even with
> the windows open you can get little air.
>
> Give a report on what you have found and done, surely one of us
> here have had a similiar situation. We have all the answers but
> slap outta questions.
>
> You said the "Light" did not come on when you pressed the switch.
> Have you checked the fuses?
> Have you measure any voltages?
>
> Bob 87 FC35 Greenville, SC
>
Generator Won't Start? - jwasnewski - 06-23-2006 13:52
-Mike: Well, I had my wife pull the invoice for the sink, dated
3/02/2005. It took me awhile to get it in the coach. I really do
have a job and I am tired of it. Anyway, the company name is Doug
Johnson & Associates, Inc. 1387 Shotgun Road, Sunrise FL. Telephone
954-423-2250, http://www.dougstubs.com. I used Oceanna blue reflections. It
looks 3 inches deep. Absolutely beautiful. There are other colors. I
understand there are clones out there now but I have not seen the
quality. You will need to purchase a pop up sink drain, the one you
activate with you finger at the bottom of the sink. The sink is only
3/8 thick. The same company can help you with that. The granite top
3cm, in this case Jurassic Green, with 1/2 bull nose can be
fabricated by any good granite fab shop. Be certain that they install
it with silicone to keep it from moving. Plumbing retro was no
problem. I used 3/8 soft copper available at any good hardware
store. I used flared connections. I will take pictures this weekend
of the upgrade. We are leaving for Daytona on Tuesday morning and
will not be back until Sunday. I will post the pics after we get
back. Gotta take the grandkids to the race.
I love my ol Bird
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL
-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...>
wrote:
>
> > Leroy Eckert worte:
> >Today I put a granite countertop and a Oceana hand made
> >glass sink in our vanity. Little things really do count. Looks
> >fabulous.
>
> OK Leroy, now you just have too much time on your hands!! Wish you
> had done it sooner so we could have put it in the Bird of the Week
> collage also!!
>
> Uh,... can you sent me pictures and supply lists on the vanity
sink??
> I kinda sorta wanted to do the same thing.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "jwasnewski"
> wrote:
> >
> > Curt: Sounds like you are getting there on your generator. You
> > will be very happy you did the upgrade. It should provide you
with
> > long term service. Mine works great since I did all of the
deferred
> > maintenance. Today I put a granite countertop and a Oceana hand
made
> > glass sink in our vanity. Little things really do count. Looks
> > fabulous.
> >
> > I hope that generator started. Anyone heard? While I was
installing
> > the top I was searching for electrical reason and wondered if the
> > following could happen. There are 4 start stop switches for the
> > generator on my coach, each spring loaded to neutral position
Is it
> > possible that one of the switches is loaded in the stop
position?
> > Would this cause the generator not to start? I do not know and
am
> > afraid to pull off a test for fear that I may not like the result
if
> > something goes wrong.
> >
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger
> >
> > >
> > > Leroy,
> > >
> > > I didn't read it as you were disagreeing. You are right about
> > diesels
> > > once started. The one in question needs that start. Too bad we
> > aren't
> > > closer to take a look. My thought was to get it to a shop early
and
> > not
> > > interfere with his vacation.
> > >
> > > I had BIG troubles with our gen. set last year. I planned to
leave
> > on
> > > vacation in June...got underway in September. It took that long
to
> > get
> > > the unit R&R twice and working again...very long story...$$$
too.
> > >
> > > Gen Set Coolant Project - Yesterday & today I installed the fan
> > housing
> > > & radiator, and all new hoses. The hoses were fun. The lesson
> > learned is
> > > the old hoses are exactly the right length. The new hoses fit
fine
> > after
> > > I cut them back to be the same length. I'm waiting on the
> > temperature
> > > sender and and the high temp. sensor to arrive. Should have
this
> > all
> > > buttoned up and working early next week.
> > >
> > > You said the hoses are high priced...right! They cost nearly
> > $400.00.
> > > That comes out to about $16.00/ft.
> > >
> > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > >
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert wrote:
> > >
> > > > Curt:
> > > >
> > > > Didn't mean to sound like disagreeing. Just pointing out that
a
> > diesel
> > > > engine will run indefinitely once started. If it hasn't
started
> > yet
> > > > there must be some weird gremlin in the thing.
> > > > There are not many things in my system that will prevent the
> > engine
> > > > from starting. Hope it gets going.
> > > > Leroy Eckert
> > > > 1990 WB-40
> > > > Niceville, FL.
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