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What's up with Bluebird? - Stephen Birtles - 02-05-2007 16:08
Cerberus owns NABI main manufacturing Center in Anniston
It was announced previously that some BB may move there notably for
the ultra low floor buses for commuter service
it does presently show a duplication in services for the essentialy
the same product
Stephen 77fc35
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> Ditto!
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 "Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> I'll probably keep mine 'till I croak. I'll leave it to the
step-grandson, then ya'll can deal with him and his sister. lol, lol
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ernieekberg@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] What's up with Bluebird?
>
>
> When it comes time for us to get a newer model Bluebird- I would
make that purchase, even if Bluebird company went south.
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Livingston,Montana
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Warner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] What's up with Bluebird?
>
> With all of the uncertainty at BB over the last several years I
> thought long and hard about buying another bluebird. After a lot of
> thought I decided to keep the 1982 FC35 that I had spent so much time
> on since if BB were to stop making motorhomes I knew I could get all
> of the parts thru other manufacturers except the bumpers and body
> panels. I found out however that I could get any body panel and
> bumpers thru my local Bluebird School bus company here in
> Chittenango, NY. In fact when I got in the accident with the FC35 in
> Nashville, I found out that bluebird did not have the battery
> compartment door etc to repair it. The bus company in Chittenango
> however told me they could make any one of the panels since they had
> a complete body and fabrication shop and regularly did that kind of
> work, and in fact they totally repaired and painted it to like new.
> They also made me a new generator compartment door for $60 not
> including the paint.
>
> I had previously decided that if I were to get a PT then it would be
> restricted to the 1985-1987 PT models. So when the 1985 PT 40 became
> available from Paul Davis I grabbed it up knowing that there would
> not be a problem getting any parts I needed even if BB were to go
under.
>
> Many of you know that I have been saying BB would not last after
> touring the factory several times over the last 6 years. I believed
> that the motorhome business would not be sustainable there with the
> corporate changes that I saw, such as the reduction of wages,
> elimination of many long time employees and poor quality control. I
> have witnessed several other long time extremely strong
> companies, Revere Ware in Rome NY and Oneida Ltd in Sherrill ny for
> instance that quickly went under when management made changes that
> were deterimental to their marketing model specifically the
> elimination of salesmen and reduction of quality control. When BB
> started making larger and heavier motorhomes with a market cap of
> less then 40 a year and lost their major marketing arm specifically
> Buddy Gregg I believe the end result was inevitable.
>
> Therefore I believe this forum will be a great assett to those
> keeping their BB thru the sharing of ideas and parts sources.
>
> tom warner
> vernon center,ny
> 1985 PT 40
>
> At 09:20 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
> >I haven't seen or heard anything about moving. However, with new
> >owners nothing can be ruled out. It is about profitability.
> >Do you know an insider (a mole) that is supplying the
> >information? Yes or No would be more that adequate, because I gotta
> >keep my bus running. <>
> >It could ultimately have a positive or negative affect on all BB
> >owners. It depends on what the company does.
> >Be careful now, in this electronic world a double agent could be
> >listening.
> >
> >Leroy Eckert
> >1990 WB-40 "Smoke N Mirrors"
> >Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: scoggins_jim
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:52 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] What's up with Bluebird?
> >
> >
> > Talk around the plant has it the parts bunch is moving to Dayton
> > (Ohio?) with a body works going to Anniston, AL. Further, there is
> > some speculation that Wanderlodge will not be built under the
> > auspicies of Bluebird (bought by someone else?).
> > I have seen no other comments on this on the collective bird
websites.
> > Do you all know something I don't and am I just now finding out?
> >
> > Anyone out there have any details?
> >
> > By the way, Jessie is now at Bennie's old job and answering up.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim Scoggins
> > 04M380
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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What's up with Bluebird? - one_dusty_hoot - 02-05-2007 17:07
Tom,<snip>"I have witnessed several other long time extremely strong
companies, Revere Ware in Rome NY and Oneida Ltd in Sherrill ny for
instance that quickly went under when management made changes that
were deterimental to their marketing model specifically the
elimination of salesmen and reduction of quality control."
Perhaps what you knew as Oneida no longer exists but
the product and name lives on. I ordered and received
an Oneida teflon fry pan last week, quality and appearence
seemed to equal the older much used one when it was new.
The sky has not fallen yet.
bob janes, 87fc35, greenville, sc
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
>
> With all of the uncertainty at BB over the last several years I
> thought long and hard about buying another bluebird. After a lot of
> thought I decided to keep the 1982 FC35 that I had spent so much
time
> on since if BB were to stop making motorhomes I knew I could get
all
> of the parts thru other manufacturers except the bumpers and body
> panels. I found out however that I could get any body panel and
> bumpers thru my local Bluebird School bus company here in
> Chittenango, NY. In fact when I got in the accident with the FC35
in
> Nashville, I found out that bluebird did not have the battery
> compartment door etc to repair it. The bus company in Chittenango
> however told me they could make any one of the panels since they
had
> a complete body and fabrication shop and regularly did that kind of
> work, and in fact they totally repaired and painted it to like new.
> They also made me a new generator compartment door for $60 not
> including the paint.
>
> I had previously decided that if I were to get a PT then it would
be
> restricted to the 1985-1987 PT models. So when the 1985 PT 40
became
> available from Paul Davis I grabbed it up knowing that there would
> not be a problem getting any parts I needed even if BB were to go
under.
>
> Many of you know that I have been saying BB would not last after
> touring the factory several times over the last 6 years. I
believed
> that the motorhome business would not be sustainable there with the
> corporate changes that I saw, such as the reduction of wages,
> elimination of many long time employees and poor quality control. I
> have witnessed several other long time extremely strong
> companies, Revere Ware in Rome NY and Oneida Ltd in Sherrill ny
for
> instance that quickly went under when management made changes that
> were deterimental to their marketing model specifically the
> elimination of salesmen and reduction of quality control. When BB
> started making larger and heavier motorhomes with a market cap of
> less then 40 a year and lost their major marketing arm specifically
> Buddy Gregg I believe the end result was inevitable.
>
> Therefore I believe this forum will be a great assett to those
> keeping their BB thru the sharing of ideas and parts sources.
>
> tom warner
> vernon center,ny
> 1985 PT 40
>
>
> At 09:20 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
> >I haven't seen or heard anything about moving. However, with new
> >owners nothing can be ruled out. It is about profitability.
> >Do you know an insider (a mole) that is supplying the
> >information? Yes or No would be more that adequate, because I
gotta
> >keep my bus running. <>
> >It could ultimately have a positive or negative affect on all BB
> >owners. It depends on what the company does.
> >Be careful now, in this electronic world a double agent could be
> >listening.
> >
> >Leroy Eckert
> >1990 WB-40 "Smoke N Mirrors"
> >Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: scoggins_jim
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:52 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] What's up with Bluebird?
> >
> >
> > Talk around the plant has it the parts bunch is moving to Dayton
> > (Ohio?) with a body works going to Anniston, AL. Further, there
is
> > some speculation that Wanderlodge will not be built under the
> > auspicies of Bluebird (bought by someone else?).
> > I have seen no other comments on this on the collective bird
websites.
> > Do you all know something I don't and am I just now finding out?
> >
> > Anyone out there have any details?
> >
> > By the way, Jessie is now at Bennie's old job and answering up.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim Scoggins
> > 04M380
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
What's up with Bluebird? - Tom Warner - 02-05-2007 19:48
Ah but the sky has fallen Bob. Look on the pan and see where it was
made.......CHINA. That is why they have lost their high value
customers for products like their expensive silverware. They only
franchise their name now.
tom
At 12:07 AM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>Tom,<snip>"I have witnessed several other long time extremely strong
>companies, Revere Ware in Rome NY and Oneida Ltd in Sherrill ny for
>instance that quickly went under when management made changes that
>were deterimental to their marketing model specifically the
>elimination of salesmen and reduction of quality control."
>
>Perhaps what you knew as Oneida no longer exists but
>the product and name lives on. I ordered and received
>an Oneida teflon fry pan last week, quality and appearence
>seemed to equal the older much used one when it was new.
>The sky has not fallen yet.
>bob janes, 87fc35, greenville, sc
>
>
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
>wrote:
> >
> > With all of the uncertainty at BB over the last several years I
> > thought long and hard about buying another bluebird. After a lot of
> > thought I decided to keep the 1982 FC35 that I had spent so much
>time
> > on since if BB were to stop making motorhomes I knew I could get
>all
> > of the parts thru other manufacturers except the bumpers and body
> > panels. I found out however that I could get any body panel and
> > bumpers thru my local Bluebird School bus company here in
> > Chittenango, NY. In fact when I got in the accident with the FC35
>in
> > Nashville, I found out that bluebird did not have the battery
> > compartment door etc to repair it. The bus company in Chittenango
> > however told me they could make any one of the panels since they
>had
> > a complete body and fabrication shop and regularly did that kind of
> > work, and in fact they totally repaired and painted it to like new.
> > They also made me a new generator compartment door for $60 not
> > including the paint.
> >
> > I had previously decided that if I were to get a PT then it would
>be
> > restricted to the 1985-1987 PT models. So when the 1985 PT 40
>became
> > available from Paul Davis I grabbed it up knowing that there would
> > not be a problem getting any parts I needed even if BB were to go
>under.
> >
> > Many of you know that I have been saying BB would not last after
> > touring the factory several times over the last 6 years. I
>believed
> > that the motorhome business would not be sustainable there with the
> > corporate changes that I saw, such as the reduction of wages,
> > elimination of many long time employees and poor quality control. I
> > have witnessed several other long time extremely strong
> > companies, Revere Ware in Rome NY and Oneida Ltd in Sherrill ny
>for
> > instance that quickly went under when management made changes that
> > were deterimental to their marketing model specifically the
> > elimination of salesmen and reduction of quality control. When BB
> > started making larger and heavier motorhomes with a market cap of
> > less then 40 a year and lost their major marketing arm specifically
> > Buddy Gregg I believe the end result was inevitable.
> >
> > Therefore I believe this forum will be a great assett to those
> > keeping their BB thru the sharing of ideas and parts sources.
> >
> > tom warner
> > vernon center,ny
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> > At 09:20 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
> > >I haven't seen or heard anything about moving. However, with new
> > >owners nothing can be ruled out. It is about profitability.
> > >Do you know an insider (a mole) that is supplying the
> > >information? Yes or No would be more that adequate, because I
>gotta
> > >keep my bus running. <>
> > >It could ultimately have a positive or negative affect on all BB
> > >owners. It depends on what the company does.
> > >Be careful now, in this electronic world a double agent could be
> > >listening.
> > >
> > >Leroy Eckert
> > >1990 WB-40 "Smoke N Mirrors"
> > >Niceville, FL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: scoggins_jim
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:52 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] What's up with Bluebird?
> > >
> > >
> > > Talk around the plant has it the parts bunch is moving to Dayton
> > > (Ohio?) with a body works going to Anniston, AL. Further, there
>is
> > > some speculation that Wanderlodge will not be built under the
> > > auspicies of Bluebird (bought by someone else?).
> > > I have seen no other comments on this on the collective bird
>websites.
> > > Do you all know something I don't and am I just now finding out?
> > >
> > > Anyone out there have any details?
> > >
> > > By the way, Jessie is now at Bennie's old job and answering up.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jim Scoggins
> > > 04M380
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
What's up with Bluebird? - maxmlkman@... - 02-06-2007 00:56
Amen Brother!!!
Max
SOB Pondering
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--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Howard O. Truitt"
>
> Tom,
> Big corporations are chasing cheap labor. I remember when it seemed everything
was made in Japan then Taiwan, Mexico, Phillipines and now China. Next is
Vietnam then Afganistan, Iraq, ect.
> If the big corporations keep cutting wages and benefits here in America before
long you will see these items marked "Made in America" again.
> Howard Truitt
> Camilla, Ga.
> 86 PT40
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
What's up with Bluebird? - pattypape - 02-06-2007 02:32
Hey Ernie,
I'll stick with my BB FC. We can always find parts and repair,
The bigger concern would be, What will become of the Bird's Nest??
Will it be relocated to Montana, Ohio, or Al. ???
The freebes are the first to go.
Bill 88 FC
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
>
> When it comes time for us to get a newer model Bluebird- I would
make that purchase, even if Bluebird company went south.
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Livingston,Montana
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Warner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] What's up with Bluebird?
>
>
> With all of the uncertainty at BB over the last several years I
> thought long and hard about buying another bluebird. After a lot
of
> thought I decided to keep the 1982 FC35 that I had spent so much
time
> on since if BB were to stop making motorhomes I knew I could get
all
> of the parts thru other manufacturers except the bumpers and body
> panels. I found out however that I could get any body panel and
> bumpers thru my local Bluebird School bus company here in
> Chittenango, NY. In fact when I got in the accident with the FC35
in
> Nashville, I found out that bluebird did not have the battery
> compartment door etc to repair it. The bus company in Chittenango
> however told me they could make any one of the panels since they
had
> a complete body and fabrication shop and regularly did that kind
of
> work, and in fact they totally repaired and painted it to like
new.
> They also made me a new generator compartment door for $60 not
> including the paint.
>
> I had previously decided that if I were to get a PT then it would
be
> restricted to the 1985-1987 PT models. So when the 1985 PT 40
became
> available from Paul Davis I grabbed it up knowing that there
would
> not be a problem getting any parts I needed even if BB were to go
under.
>
> Many of you know that I have been saying BB would not last after
> touring the factory several times over the last 6 years. I
believed
> that the motorhome business would not be sustainable there with
the
> corporate changes that I saw, such as the reduction of wages,
> elimination of many long time employees and poor quality control.
I
> have witnessed several other long time extremely strong
> companies, Revere Ware in Rome NY and Oneida Ltd in Sherrill ny
for
> instance that quickly went under when management made changes
that
> were deterimental to their marketing model specifically the
> elimination of salesmen and reduction of quality control. When BB
> started making larger and heavier motorhomes with a market cap of
> less then 40 a year and lost their major marketing arm
specifically
> Buddy Gregg I believe the end result was inevitable.
>
> Therefore I believe this forum will be a great assett to those
> keeping their BB thru the sharing of ideas and parts sources.
>
> tom warner
> vernon center,ny
> 1985 PT 40
>
> At 09:20 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
> >I haven't seen or heard anything about moving. However, with new
> >owners nothing can be ruled out. It is about profitability.
> >Do you know an insider (a mole) that is supplying the
> >information? Yes or No would be more that adequate, because I
gotta
> >keep my bus running. <>
> >It could ultimately have a positive or negative affect on all BB
> >owners. It depends on what the company does.
> >Be careful now, in this electronic world a double agent could be
> >listening.
> >
> >Leroy Eckert
> >1990 WB-40 "Smoke N Mirrors"
> >Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: scoggins_jim
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:52 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] What's up with Bluebird?
> >
> >
> > Talk around the plant has it the parts bunch is moving to Dayton
> > (Ohio?) with a body works going to Anniston, AL. Further, there
is
> > some speculation that Wanderlodge will not be built under the
> > auspicies of Bluebird (bought by someone else?).
> > I have seen no other comments on this on the collective bird
websites.
> > Do you all know something I don't and am I just now finding out?
> >
> > Anyone out there have any details?
> >
> > By the way, Jessie is now at Bennie's old job and answering up.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim Scoggins
> > 04M380
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
What's up with Bluebird? - Howard O. Truitt - 02-06-2007 03:46
I remember at the last RIV a top BB official made a comment about the possible
move of some departments to other plants. I remember Alabama was mentioned.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40
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What's up with Bluebird? - one_dusty_hoot - 02-06-2007 03:53
Tom, Your are right!, "Made in China" stamped right
there on the bottom next to the proud indian name
Oneida. Wife wondered, why I was looking?, told her,
just checking to see where it was made, her remark,
"everything else is"?
bob, with bumps on head, Chinese fall-out
Tom Warner
>
> Ah but the sky has fallen Bob. Look on the pan and see where it was
> made.......CHINA. That is why they have lost their high value
> customers for products like their expensive silverware. They only
> franchise their name now.
>
> tom
What's up with Bluebird? - Howard O. Truitt - 02-06-2007 04:43
Tom,
Big corporations are chasing cheap labor. I remember when it seemed everything
was made in Japan then Taiwan, Mexico, Phillipines and now China. Next is
Vietnam then Afganistan, Iraq, ect.
If the big corporations keep cutting wages and benefits here in America before
long you will see these items marked "Made in America" again.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40
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What's up with Bluebird? - davidkerryedwards - 02-06-2007 14:05
Kind of ironic, that the Oneida Corporation, formed by the collapse of a
communist
community would turn to a former communist country for its rebirth.
Most people have probably never guessed as they ate their dinner using Oneida
Ware that
it all grew out of one of the greatest free love Christian groups that ever
existed.
Kerry
82 Fc 35
Denver
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
>
> Tom, Your are right!, "Made in China" stamped right
> there on the bottom next to the proud indian name
> Oneida. Wife wondered, why I was looking?, told her,
> just checking to see where it was made, her remark,
> "everything else is"?
> bob, with bumps on head, Chinese fall-out
>
> Tom Warner
> >
> > Ah but the sky has fallen Bob. Look on the pan and see where it was
> > made.......CHINA. That is why they have lost their high value
> > customers for products like their expensive silverware. They only
> > franchise their name now.
> >
> > tom
>
What's up with Bluebird? - Tom Warner - 02-06-2007 14:59
Kerry it was not a communist community, but instead was based on
complex marriage and perfectionism. The mansion house and facilities
are only a couple of miles from my home in Sherill, NY. Although it
was a christian community it was not a free love one.
tom warner
vernon center,ny
1985 PT 40
.At 09:05 PM 2/6/2007, you wrote:
>Kind of ironic, that the Oneida Corporation, formed by the collapse
>of a communist
>community would turn to a former communist country for its rebirth.
>Most people have probably never guessed as they ate their dinner
>using Oneida Ware that
>it all grew out of one of the greatest free love Christian groups
>that ever existed.
>
>Kerry
>82 Fc 35
>Denver
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> >
> > Tom, Your are right!, "Made in China" stamped right
> > there on the bottom next to the proud indian name
> > Oneida. Wife wondered, why I was looking?, told her,
> > just checking to see where it was made, her remark,
> > "everything else is"?
> > bob, with bumps on head, Chinese fall-out
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > >
> > > Ah but the sky has fallen Bob. Look on the pan and see where it was
> > > made.......CHINA. That is why they have lost their high value
> > > customers for products like their expensive silverware. They only
> > > franchise their name now.
> > >
> > > tom
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>