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Water pump problem - Keith Strehle - 03-07-2007 12:00 The water stops completely. Just for 30 seconds or so and the pump starts again. I'm a little baffled by the 12 volt circuit breakers? I have no idea what they look like? Wouldn't his normally be a fuse protected circuit? Keith 84FC --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson wrote: > > The pump is pretty durable, but it may be partially clogged and/or > need a rebuild causing it to overheat. That might cause a circuit > breaker to trip then reset. (Don't know where they are on your year.) > I'd guess that the expansion tank would need about 40# as that's what > the operating pressure is ... but it may be lower. The pressure in > the tank allows the pump to run at a constant speed until the > pressure in the system is "right". Then the tank provides the > pressure until it drops to the point where the pump kicks on again. > > If the water pressure at a faucet isn't significantly changing as the > pump cycles on-off-on, then the problem may not be the expansion tank > at all. > > If the pump needs a rebuild, kits are available for a modest cost > $20~30 or so. Most often, the pump will 'seep' at the joint in the > case between the motor and the pump section if it needs a rebuild -- > but perhaps not. > > If you find the circuit breakers, swap the one for the pump circuit > for another one with a similar rating. It could be a faulty breaker > instead of the pump, but that's not as likely. Even if it is the > breaker tripping, you'll need to determine why the breaker trips. > > Pete Masterson > aeonix1@... > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > El Sobrante, CA > > > > > On Mar 7, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Keith Strehle wrote: > > > Thanks Pete, I was wondering what the tank was for. That makes > > perfect sense. How much pressure should I put in it? I also thought > > of overheating but the coach is very lightly used? Doesn't seem like > > the pump is worn out? > > > > Thanks, Keith > > 84FCSB > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson > > wrote: > >> > >> The expansion tank may have lost its 'charge' of air. There's a > > tire- > >> valve nipple on the top that you can use to 'pump up' the > > pressure. > >> Or the expansion tank may have had the diaphragm fail -- replacing > >> the tank is the only solution then. Or, you might want to try the > >> variable speed pump option -- replace your pump(s) and expansion > > tank > >> with the Shurflow variable speed pump. Caution - this option will > >> raise your coach water pressure to 65lbs when you're on the pump. > > Be > >> sure your plumbing can handle it. > >> > >> There may be other reasons for the pump to act up as well.. > > possible > >> overheating? > >> > >> Pete Masterson > >> aeonix1@ > >> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > >> El Sobrante, CA > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mar 7, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Keith Strehle wrote: > >> > >>> The water pump in my coach stops suddenly and starts again within > > a > >>> minute or less. Any ideas what may be causing it? > >>> > >>> Thanks Keith > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ----------------- -- > > - > >>> ~--> > >>> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email > >>> design. > >>> http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/pkiolB/TM > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > -- > >>> ~-> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ------------------- - > > ~--> > > Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email > > design. > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/pkiolB/TM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > > ~-> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Water pump problem - ernieekberg@...> - 03-07-2007 12:16 Keith- Pete is correct- old-brain-itis sometimes gets the best of me Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Livingston,Montana "POO-DOO-EXPRESS" ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Strehle To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:43 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Water pump problem Ernie, is that the same as the expansion tank Pete mentioned. I do remember fooling around with the schrader valve when I first got the bus. I don't remember if I had the problem before that or not? I'm going to pump some air ito it and see what happens. Keith San Diego 84FC --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > Keith- i wonder if your accumulator tank is working as it was designed. My pump runs all the time- accumulator tank- shot. > Ernie Ekberg > 83PT40 > Livingston,Montana > "POO-DOO-EXPRESS" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Strehle > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:26 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Water pump problem > > > It is when the faucet is open. It stops, then restarts. 12 volt > circuit breakers? Where would that be located? And what does it > look like? > > Keith > 84FCSB > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Wheeler" > > > > > Keith, > > > > If you are talking about this happening when you have a faucet open > and > > water running then it is tripping the circuit breaker for some > reason. The > > breakers do an auto reset. If it is when the pump is on but all > faucets are > > off then there is a leak. This is usually in the fill valve or the > water > > heater drain valve. Either one will let water from the pressure > side flow > > back to the fresh water tank. > > > > > > > > - Chuck Wheeler - > > > > 82 FC 31 SB > > > > Fort Worth, TX > > > > _____ > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Strehle > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:58 PM > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water pump problem > > > > > > > > The water pump in my coach stops suddenly and starts again within a > > minute or less. Any ideas what may be causing it? > > > > Thanks Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Water pump problem - Pete Masterson - 03-07-2007 12:18 The circuit breakers (on my coach) look like little oblong metal boxes with a little metal tab sticking out of a slot. I presume that the tripped breaker will have the tab stick out more (so it can be pushed in to reset). They are in the same fuse holders as the regular fuses and have the same dual blade "plug" that goes in the fuse socket like the regular fuses, although they're physically larger. I have an electrical panel with a gazillion fuses and breakers behind a panel on the front of the coach. (Open from outside.) and on a panel in the back closet (over the engine) that's nearly inaccessible/ invisible. There may be another panel somewhere that I haven't seen/ found yet. Circuit breakers are used on circuits that might be expected to have brief overdraws where an automatic reset is desirable. It avoids having a "normal" situation force having to replace a fuse unnecessarily. I note that some after market installations also include a fuse holder with the appliance (e.g. the new variable speed pump I recently installed). Those are usually fairly near the appliance in an 'inline' fuse holder. Pete Masterson aeonix1@... '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' El Sobrante, CA On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Keith Strehle wrote: > The water stops completely. Just for 30 seconds or so and the pump > starts again. I'm a little baffled by the 12 volt circuit breakers? > I have no idea what they look like? Wouldn't his normally be a fuse > protected circuit? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Water pump problem - Keith Strehle - 03-07-2007 12:26 Haven't seen anything that fits that description? But there are some small barrel shaped gadgets near the fuse panels. I'm gonna drag ou the books and have a look. Thanks again, Keith 84FC --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson wrote: > > The circuit breakers (on my coach) look like little oblong metal > boxes with a little metal tab sticking out of a slot. I presume that > the tripped breaker will have the tab stick out more (so it can be > pushed in to reset). They are in the same fuse holders as the regular > fuses and have the same dual blade "plug" that goes in the fuse > socket like the regular fuses, although they're physically larger. I > have an electrical panel with a gazillion fuses and breakers behind a > panel on the front of the coach. (Open from outside.) and on a panel > in the back closet (over the engine) that's nearly inaccessible/ > invisible. There may be another panel somewhere that I haven't seen/ > found yet. > > Circuit breakers are used on circuits that might be expected to have > brief overdraws where an automatic reset is desirable. It avoids > having a "normal" situation force having to replace a fuse > unnecessarily. > > I note that some after market installations also include a fuse > holder with the appliance (e.g. the new variable speed pump I > recently installed). Those are usually fairly near the appliance in > an 'inline' fuse holder. > > Pete Masterson > aeonix1@... > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > El Sobrante, CA > > > > > On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Keith Strehle wrote: > > > The water stops completely. Just for 30 seconds or so and the pump > > starts again. I'm a little baffled by the 12 volt circuit breakers? > > I have no idea what they look like? Wouldn't his normally be a fuse > > protected circuit? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Water pump problem - Curt Sprenger - 03-07-2007 12:42 Keith, Go to this site and you will see DC circuit breakers. http://www.wiringproducts.com/?target=dept_11.html&gclid=CNDcmOH444oCFSUeGAodwCp\ e2w Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing" Anaheim Hills, Calif. Keith Strehle wrote: > Haven't seen anything that fits that description? But there are some > small barrel shaped gadgets near the fuse panels. I'm gonna drag ou > the books and have a look. > > Thanks again, > Keith 84FC > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > wrote: > > > > The circuit breakers (on my coach) look like little oblong metal > > boxes with a little metal tab sticking out of a slot. I presume > that > > the tripped breaker will have the tab stick out more (so it can be > > pushed in to reset). They are in the same fuse holders as the > regular > > fuses and have the same dual blade "plug" that goes in the fuse > > socket like the regular fuses, although they're physically larger. > I > > have an electrical panel with a gazillion fuses and breakers behind > a > > panel on the front of the coach. (Open from outside.) and on a > panel > > in the back closet (over the engine) that's nearly inaccessible/ > > invisible. There may be another panel somewhere that I haven't > seen/ > > found yet. > > > > Circuit breakers are used on circuits that might be expected to > have > > brief overdraws where an automatic reset is desirable. It avoids > > having a "normal" situation force having to replace a fuse > > unnecessarily. > > > > I note that some after market installations also include a fuse > > holder with the appliance (e.g. the new variable speed pump I > > recently installed). Those are usually fairly near the appliance > in > > an 'inline' fuse holder. > > > > Pete Masterson > > aeonix1@... > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > > El Sobrante, CA > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Keith Strehle wrote: > > > > > The water stops completely. Just for 30 seconds or so and the > pump > > > starts again. I'm a little baffled by the 12 volt circuit > breakers? > > > I have no idea what they look like? Wouldn't his normally be a > fuse > > > protected circuit? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Water pump problem - Ralph L. Fullenwider - 03-07-2007 12:44 Keith: The c/b for the water pump is located in the left rear load center (drivers side bedroom overhead cabinet. Should be a green wire (I think # 31) Honestly sounds like an internal short in the pump motor, I just replaced one of those my self doing much the same. If in fact it is the c/b tripping and re setting. Safe travels, Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider 84FC35 Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma At 12:26 AM 3/8/2007 +0000, you wrote: >Haven't seen anything that fits that description? But there are some >small barrel shaped gadgets near the fuse panels. I'm gonna drag ou >the books and have a look. > >Thanks again, >Keith 84FC > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson >wrote: > > > > The circuit breakers (on my coach) look like little oblong metal > > boxes with a little metal tab sticking out of a slot. I presume >that > > the tripped breaker will have the tab stick out more (so it can be > > pushed in to reset). They are in the same fuse holders as the >regular > > fuses and have the same dual blade "plug" that goes in the fuse > > socket like the regular fuses, although they're physically larger. >I > > have an electrical panel with a gazillion fuses and breakers behind >a > > panel on the front of the coach. (Open from outside.) and on a >panel > > in the back closet (over the engine) that's nearly inaccessible/ > > invisible. There may be another panel somewhere that I haven't >seen/ > > found yet. > > > > Circuit breakers are used on circuits that might be expected to >have > > brief overdraws where an automatic reset is desirable. It avoids > > having a "normal" situation force having to replace a fuse > > unnecessarily. > > > > I note that some after market installations also include a fuse > > holder with the appliance (e.g. the new variable speed pump I > > recently installed). Those are usually fairly near the appliance >in > > an 'inline' fuse holder. > > > > Pete Masterson > > aeonix1@... > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > > El Sobrante, CA > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Keith Strehle wrote: > > > > > The water stops completely. Just for 30 seconds or so and the >pump > > > starts again. I'm a little baffled by the 12 volt circuit >breakers? > > > I have no idea what they look like? Wouldn't his normally be a >fuse > > > protected circuit? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Safe travels, Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider 84FC35 Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma Water pump problem - krminyl@... - 03-08-2007 05:53 If my memory serves me correctly, I think that tank is supposed to be pressurized to something like 10-15lb only. I don't have mine anymore, but there is supposed to be a tag or label around the schraeder valve that gives the max pressure it's supposed to have. I think 50 PSI is way high... Kevn McKeown Yorba Linda, CA 1986 38' PT ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Water pump problem - Keith Strehle - 03-08-2007 06:50 Thanks Ralph, I'll take a look for the circuit breaker this weekend. Last night I pumped some air into the expansion tank, about 50lb. There was water in the expansion tank. I don't know but I'm guessing that ain't good? However, the shower only stopped once, rather that the normal 2 or 3 times. Keith 84FC --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider" > > Keith: > > The c/b for the water pump is located in the left rear load center (drivers > side bedroom overhead cabinet. Should be a green wire (I think # 31) > > Honestly sounds like an internal short in the pump motor, I just replaced > one of those my self doing much the same. If in fact it is the c/b tripping > and re setting. > > Safe travels, > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider > 84FC35 > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma > > At 12:26 AM 3/8/2007 +0000, you wrote: > >Haven't seen anything that fits that description? But there are some > >small barrel shaped gadgets near the fuse panels. I'm gonna drag ou > >the books and have a look. > > > >Thanks again, > >Keith 84FC > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson > >wrote: > > > > > > The circuit breakers (on my coach) look like little oblong metal > > > boxes with a little metal tab sticking out of a slot. I presume > >that > > > the tripped breaker will have the tab stick out more (so it can be > > > pushed in to reset). They are in the same fuse holders as the > >regular > > > fuses and have the same dual blade "plug" that goes in the fuse > > > socket like the regular fuses, although they're physically larger. > >I > > > have an electrical panel with a gazillion fuses and breakers behind > >a > > > panel on the front of the coach. (Open from outside.) and on a > >panel > > > in the back closet (over the engine) that's nearly inaccessible/ > > > invisible. There may be another panel somewhere that I haven't > >seen/ > > > found yet. > > > > > > Circuit breakers are used on circuits that might be expected to > >have > > > brief overdraws where an automatic reset is desirable. It avoids > > > having a "normal" situation force having to replace a fuse > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > I note that some after market installations also include a fuse > > > holder with the appliance (e.g. the new variable speed pump I > > > recently installed). Those are usually fairly near the appliance > >in > > > an 'inline' fuse holder. > > > > > > Pete Masterson > > > aeonix1@ > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > > > El Sobrante, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Keith Strehle wrote: > > > > > > > The water stops completely. Just for 30 seconds or so and the > >pump > > > > starts again. I'm a little baffled by the 12 volt circuit > >breakers? > > > > I have no idea what they look like? Wouldn't his normally be a > >fuse > > > > protected circuit? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Safe travels, > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider > 84FC35 > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma > Water pump problem - Pete Masterson - 03-08-2007 08:02 The accumulator tank is supposed to have about 1/2 water and 1/2 air inside. The pump is supposed to pressurize the water against a rubber diaphragm (water does not compress -- but the air compresses to maintain the water pressure). If the air leaks out, then the tank stops providing (sufficient) pressure to the water to make up for the cycling of the pump. The diaphragm in the tank can (eventually) degrade, requiring replacement of the tank. If water comes out of the air valve, the diaphragm may have a leak. If there is air/water contact (no diaphragm or leaking diaphragm) then the air will eventually dissolve into the water, requiring the tank to be 'recharged' frequently. Tanks come in a variety of sizes, but a replacement should be sized approximately the same as the original. Using a larger tank will simply require more pumping to bring up to pressure, potentially overworking the pump. A too-small tank will run out of pressure too soon, requiring the pump to run sooner-also overworking the pump. Replacing the pump with a variable speed pump will allow elimination of the accumulator tank. Pete Masterson aeonix1@... '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' El Sobrante, CA On Mar 8, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Keith Strehle wrote: > Thanks Ralph, I'll take a look for the circuit breaker this > weekend. Last night I pumped some air into the expansion tank, about > 50lb. There was water in the expansion tank. I don't know but I'm > guessing that ain't good? However, the shower only stopped once, > rather that the normal 2 or 3 times. > > Keith > 84FC > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Water pump problem - Keith Strehle - 03-08-2007 08:59 Thanks Pete, I'll eventually upgrade to a variable speed pump. But for right now it works (most of the time) and I'll concentrate on stuff that does not work, like the microwave and the fridge. I really do appreciate all the help. Keith 84FC --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson wrote: > > The accumulator tank is supposed to have about 1/2 water and 1/2 air > inside. The pump is supposed to pressurize the water against a rubber > diaphragm (water does not compress -- but the air compresses to > maintain the water pressure). If the air leaks out, then the tank > stops providing (sufficient) pressure to the water to make up for the > cycling of the pump. The diaphragm in the tank can (eventually) > degrade, requiring replacement of the tank. If water comes out of the > air valve, the diaphragm may have a leak. If there is air/water > contact (no diaphragm or leaking diaphragm) then the air will > eventually dissolve into the water, requiring the tank to be > 'recharged' frequently. > > Tanks come in a variety of sizes, but a replacement should be sized > approximately the same as the original. Using a larger tank will > simply require more pumping to bring up to pressure, potentially > overworking the pump. A too-small tank will run out of pressure too > soon, requiring the pump to run sooner-also overworking the pump. > > Replacing the pump with a variable speed pump will allow elimination > of the accumulator tank. > > Pete Masterson > aeonix1@... > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > El Sobrante, CA > > > > > On Mar 8, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Keith Strehle wrote: > > > Thanks Ralph, I'll take a look for the circuit breaker this > > weekend. Last night I pumped some air into the expansion tank, about > > 50lb. There was water in the expansion tank. I don't know but I'm > > guessing that ain't good? However, the shower only stopped once, > > rather that the normal 2 or 3 times. > > > > Keith > > 84FC > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |