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New Owner - Joyce and Richard Hayden - 10-08-2008 15:16



I had a similar problem on an older Kohler/Perkins and found it to be an open meter on the control panel. That circuit ran through the meter. It was a very cheap meter and it couldn't be read anyway due to it's position on the FC. So, I simply wired around the meter - problem solved.
Good luck.
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdarstpt40@yahoo.com"
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:51 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: New Owner


I met Richard on the phone today....

He was a referral by a local big truck and bus drive train repair
facility.

He has a 1989 PT40 equipped with a Kohler/Yanmar 12.5 Gen.

Had some probs with the gen portion (not the engine) and replaced the
stator and some other stuff. The control box is original, including
the 3 relays.

Now that the install is complete, the yanmar won't continue to run.
Like a over-heat/low oil sensor shuts it down. The fuel shut off
solenoid is not staying in the run position.

Thats what I know from our conversations today. Ralph or someone, can
you help Richard with this issue?

Richard did not know of this site- does now. He has owned his Bird for
a few months now... survived a front tire blow-out on the way home!!!

Richard is a retired electrician and firefighter from Decatur, IL,
just 30 minutes from me...

Welcome to the wealth of information provided by this bunch of fellow
Bird lovers. This is were I cut my teeth 5 years ago.... the answers
all came from a Bird forum...

Thanks All!

Jay Darst
85PT40 not for sale
HPR Coach
'91 Prevost Royale 40XL FOR SALE $119,000
'96 Prevost Country Coach 40XL Sale Pending
Sullivan, IL

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "dctrcarter" ...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all Richard here, just got my first bluebird, 1989 WLWB 40'
Silver
> Ed. Tolerrence ring broke on generator an drop armatur onto
statdur,
> replace generator,can't get it to start again, found that my starter
> switch is shorted, any ideas on where to look for short?
>



New Owner - Gregory OConnor - 10-08-2008 15:59

One way to test if it is a fault with the shut down system and not
a correct responce from the shutdown system is to remove the wire
from the solenoid, hook it up to a horn, light or buzzer then jump
12V to the solenoid to get it started and running. once running the
horn should go off at the same time your engine was dying. The
genset will stay running this time because you now have the 'shut-
down system' only hooked to a horn and not the 'fuel shutoff
solenoid'. from here you can check that the fan comes on with the
120voltage, heat stays checked etc,,,. then you can wiggle wires,
and listen for the horn, Use a ground clamp from the battery and
make a new ground here and there, while waiting for a horn. Jump
around sensors, and listen for a horn. the horn will clue you in on
the fault issue.

Greg94ptCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Joyce and Richard
Hayden" wrote:
>
> I had a similar problem on an older Kohler/Perkins and found it to
be an open meter on the control panel. That circuit ran through the
meter. It was a very cheap meter and it couldn't be read anyway due
to it's position on the FC. So, I simply wired around the meter -
problem solved.
>
> Good luck.
> Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jay Darst
> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:51 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: New Owner
>
>
> I met Richard on the phone today....
>
> He was a referral by a local big truck and bus drive train
repair
> facility.
>
> He has a 1989 PT40 equipped with a Kohler/Yanmar 12.5 Gen.
>
> Had some probs with the gen portion (not the engine) and
replaced the
> stator and some other stuff. The control box is original,
including
> the 3 relays.
>
> Now that the install is complete, the yanmar won't continue to
run.
> Like a over-heat/low oil sensor shuts it down. The fuel shut off
> solenoid is not staying in the run position.
>
> Thats what I know from our conversations today. Ralph or
someone, can
> you help Richard with this issue?
>
> Richard did not know of this site- does now. He has owned his
Bird for
> a few months now... survived a front tire blow-out on the way
home!!!
>
> Richard is a retired electrician and firefighter from Decatur,
IL,
> just 30 minutes from me...
>
> Welcome to the wealth of information provided by this bunch of
fellow
> Bird lovers. This is were I cut my teeth 5 years ago.... the
answers
> all came from a Bird forum...
>
> Thanks All!
>
> Jay Darst
> 85PT40 not for sale
> HPR Coach
> '91 Prevost Royale 40XL FOR SALE $119,000
> '96 Prevost Country Coach 40XL Sale Pending
> Sullivan, IL
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, "dctrcarter"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all Richard here, just got my first bluebird, 1989 WLWB 40'
> Silver
> > Ed. Tolerrence ring broke on generator an drop armatur onto
> statdur,
> > replace generator,can't get it to start again, found that my
starter
> > switch is shorted, any ideas on where to look for short?
> >
>

New Owner - Gregory OConnor - 10-08-2008 16:31

Ralph, are you talking neutral and ground of the output of the
genset ac voltage?? you would think they should be bonded because
while running on 'genset produced ac voltage', there is no earth
path??

Greg94ptCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
wrote:
>
> I would start by opening the control box and dis connect the three
remote
> start stop switches at the terminal strip to isolate which switch
or at
> least part of the system. Then do a diode check of D3 between the
common
> and ground of the control box. Double check the plus and minus
polarity of
> the brushes and slip rings. I know that is all new
butttttttttttt. Will
> get out my book tomorrow and have a deeper look.
>
> Does it turn over at all? or just dead? And when repaired, did
some one tie
> the Neutral and ground together?
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> At 02:51 AM 10/9/2008 +0000, you wrote:
> >I met Richard on the phone today....
> >
> >He was a referral by a local big truck and bus drive train repair
> >facility.
> >
> >He has a 1989 PT40 equipped with a Kohler/Yanmar 12.5 Gen.
> >
> >Had some probs with the gen portion (not the engine) and replaced
the
> >stator and some other stuff. The control box is original,
including
> >the 3 relays.
> >
> >Now that the install is complete, the yanmar won't continue to
run.
> >Like a over-heat/low oil sensor shuts it down. The fuel shut off
> >solenoid is not staying in the run position.
> >
> >Thats what I know from our conversations today. Ralph or someone,
can
> >you help Richard with this issue?
> >
> >Richard did not know of this site- does now. He has owned his
Bird for
> >a few months now... survived a front tire blow-out on the way
home!!!
> >
> >Richard is a retired electrician and firefighter from Decatur, IL,
> >just 30 minutes from me...
> >
> >Welcome to the wealth of information provided by this bunch of
fellow
> >Bird lovers. This is were I cut my teeth 5 years ago.... the
answers
> >all came from a Bird forum...
> >
> >Thanks All!
> >
> >Jay Darst
> >85PT40 not for sale
> >HPR Coach
> >'91 Prevost Royale 40XL FOR SALE $119,000
> >'96 Prevost Country Coach 40XL Sale Pending
> >Sullivan, IL
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dctrcarter"

> >wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all Richard here, just got my first bluebird, 1989 WLWB 40'
> >Silver
> > > Ed. Tolerrence ring broke on generator an drop armatur onto
> >statdur,
> > > replace generator,can't get it to start again, found that my
starter
> > > switch is shorted, any ideas on where to look for short?
> > >
> >
> >
>

New Owner - Ralph L. Fullenwider - 10-08-2008 18:00

Greg: That is my point, they should be bonded, question was, did they?

Safe travels,

Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
'84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma


At 04:31 AM 10/9/2008 +0000, you wrote:
>Ralph, are you talking neutral and ground of the output of the
>genset ac voltage?? you would think they should be bonded because
>while running on 'genset produced ac voltage', there is no earth
>path??
>
>Greg94ptCa
>

New Owner - Glenn Allen - 10-09-2008 01:22

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
wrote:
>
>
> Jay Darst
> 85PT40 not for sale
> HPR Coach
> '91 Prevost Royale 40XL FOR SALE $119,000
> '96 Prevost Country Coach 40XL Sale Pending
> Sullivan, IL
>

Jay,

I see you have taken your PT-40 off the market. Someone missed out on
one nice bird. However, glad to see you will be staying in the family.

Glenn

New Owner - Gregory OConnor - 10-09-2008 01:56

I wonder where the transfer switch parks while at rest?? does it connect the genset path or shore path to the bus panel ?? either way, once the genset is running, I guess he could test for continuity between ground and neutral to prove bonding. neutral should be the long slot and ground the round hole.



I hate working on gensetheads and inverters because their product only differs in watts from household AC. My "Poke at it till it works or smokes" method of repair is misplaced with the practice of electric.



Greg94ptCa



glad your back




--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote:
>
> Greg: That is my point, they should be bonded, question was, did they?
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> '84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>
>
> At 04:31 AM 10/9/2008 +0000, you wrote:
> >Ralph, are you talking neutral and ground of the output of the
> >genset ac voltage?? you would think they should be bonded because
> >while running on 'genset produced ac voltage', there is no earth
> >path??
> >
> >Greg94ptCa
> >
>