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Engine & Tranny problems 2 - ac7880 - 04-24-2007 08:28
Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards Gallup NM.
Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
Dan, Albuquerque NM
BB BMC 37'
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
>
>
> Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this point,
but
> they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked them to
> change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
>
> They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and repaired it.
> That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It says
nothing
> about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle, we only
got
> 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
>
> They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response test and
power
> test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about having the
> batteries isolated and tested.
>
> More info a little later. I will not have internet in a little
while,
> so I may have to update you when I can find service.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in shop in Albuquerque, NM
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
>
> >
> > Had three error codes. 16, 44, and 52 52 was a ECM failure,
one has
> > a high coolant temp and can't remember off hand the other since
I'm
> > not currently at the coach. Both alternators were completely
> > re-built, so I doubt the problem is there.. Right now, with the
high
> > amp pull and low voltage, I am more suspicious of the batteries.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
wrote:
> > >
> > > Well,
> > >
> > > I had alot of guage problems, I found that I had alternator
> > problems, when I replaced both alternators those problems ceased.
I
> > have DDEC1 the Alternator problem did not cause any problems with
> > them. What kind of error codes are you getting?
> > >
> > > Jim Riordan
> > > 88 WBWL XXV
> > > Stuart, Fl
> > >
> > > Gregory OConnor
> > > Ron, Often overlooked by class 8 repair shops are the
high
> > amp high
> > > discharge /recharge inverter drawn powersource on a motorhome.
The
> > > uncommon factors sometimes reveal possible conclusions. I would
pull
> > > all 11 batteries (disconnect) and install one proven battery at
the
> > > engine start bank to continue the test. The Carvers had wierd
> > > problems that proved to be bad batteries. I hope it is somthing
> > > easily correctable.
> > > GregoryO'Connor
> > > 94ptRomolandCa
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I had to pull into Stewart & Stevenson in Albuquerque with
engine
> > > > power problems and shift problems. It all started after we
left
> > > > Dallas yesterday. I had a sudden 170 amps and 10 volts,
followed by
> > > > total loss of 12 v power to instruments, radio, etc... By the
time
> > > I
> > > > was off the road, the power was back. I then noticed a lack
of
> > > power.
> > > > Pulled some minor grades of 2 or 3% with a drop in speed to
50 mph
> > > at
> > > > full throttle.
> > > >
> > > > Nursed the unit in to Albuqerque this morning. Had a fuel gage
> > > > intermittent that went from normal to full peg on full. When
> > > making a
> > > > hard left turn, transmission check light would flash and beep.
> > > >
> > > > S & S did a power check and found at full throttle, engine
could
> > > only
> > > > make 1900 rpm. When backed off, the rpm went up to 2200. Just
the
> > > > opposite of normal. They are very suspect of the DDEC2 at
this
> > > point,
> > > > but are trying to rule out everything else first. Changed air
> > > filter,
> > > > they were started on a fuel system check when I left for
dinner. I
> > > > had checked all the connectors this morning and they were
fine.
> > > Could
> > > > not trouble shoot because I have no diagram of those circuits.
> > > >
> > > > I know the grounds on the alternators and engine to chassis
are
> > > fine.
> > > > Not sure about any others, but they are checking them.
> > > >
> > > > I'm convinced that whatever caused that electrical anomoly
> > > yesterday,
> > > > damaged the ECM and it will probably have to be replaced. $$$$
> > > >
> > > > Let you know more tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > Currently in the shop in Albuquerque, NM
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - Ralph L. Fullenwider - 04-24-2007 09:40
Thanks for the update Dan.
Safe travels,
Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35
Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
>Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards Gallup NM.
>Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
>
>Dan, Albuquerque NM
>BB BMC 37'
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
>
> >
> >
> > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this point,
>but
> > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked them to
> > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> >
> > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and repaired it.
> > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It says
>nothing
> > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle, we only
>got
> > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> >
> > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response test and
>power
> > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about having the
> > batteries isolated and tested.
> >
> > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a little
>while,
> > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - ronmarabito2002 - 04-25-2007 11:33
Thanks Dan for posting the update.
I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars poorer, but
not as bad as I thought it might be.
Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical anomolly, they
were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the tranny
light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to ignore
the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running just fine.
I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override mode to
make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided that I
have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two other
cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to get
infra red temps around the radiator.
The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated from the
bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left. We'll see
how long that lasts.
Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in the
four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way and I
got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely have
to be replaced.
This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle down.
R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf tomorrow.
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> Thanks for the update Dan.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35
> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards Gallup NM.
> >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> >
> >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> >BB BMC 37'
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this point,
> >but
> > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked them to
> > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > >
> > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and repaired it.
> > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It says
> >nothing
> > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle, we only
> >got
> > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > >
> > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response test and
> >power
> > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about having the
> > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > >
> > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a little
> >while,
> > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - Leroy Eckert - 04-25-2007 13:03
I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up a bad load of
fuel?
Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the chassis air. When
you get ready and before pulling the radiator I'll tell you what I did on my
coach. I imagine the systems are similar. I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and
will chart temperatures taken from the DDL through VMSpc and report them
Tuesday.
I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out to be the Alarmstat
not working correctly.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: ronmarabito2002
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
Thanks Dan for posting the update.
I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars poorer, but
not as bad as I thought it might be.
Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical anomolly, they
were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the tranny
light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to ignore
the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running just fine.
I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override mode to
make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided that I
have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two other
cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to get
infra red temps around the radiator.
The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated from the
bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left. We'll see
how long that lasts.
Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in the
four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way and I
got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely have
to be replaced.
This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle down.
R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf tomorrow.
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> Thanks for the update Dan.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35
> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards Gallup NM.
> >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> >
> >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> >BB BMC 37'
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this point,
> >but
> > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked them to
> > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > >
> > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and repaired it.
> > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It says
> >nothing
> > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle, we only
> >got
> > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > >
> > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response test and
> >power
> > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about having the
> > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > >
> > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a little
> >while,
> > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - ronmarabito2002 - 04-25-2007 14:56
I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but with the
fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to about 195
when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a concern
though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling and
can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is reaching
around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
guage is either.
R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Currently in Monticello, Utah.
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up a bad
load of fuel?
> Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator I'll
tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are similar.
I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures taken from
the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out to be
the Alarmstat not working correctly.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
>
>
> Thanks Dan for posting the update.
>
> I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars poorer, but
> not as bad as I thought it might be.
>
> Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
> decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical anomolly, they
> were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the tranny
> light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to ignore
> the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running just
fine.
>
> I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override mode to
> make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided that I
> have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two other
> cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to get
> infra red temps around the radiator.
>
> The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated from the
> bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
>
> Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left. We'll see
> how long that lasts.
>
> Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in the
> four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way and I
> got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely have
> to be replaced.
>
> This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle down.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf tomorrow.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> >
> > Thanks for the update Dan.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > 84FC35
> > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards Gallup NM.
> > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > >
> > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > >BB BMC 37'
> > >
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this
point,
> > >but
> > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked
them to
> > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > >
> > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
repaired it.
> > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It says
> > >nothing
> > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle, we
only
> > >got
> > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > >
> > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response test and
> > >power
> > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
having the
> > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > >
> > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a little
> > >while,
> > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - whistles_n_bells - 04-25-2007 15:15
Ron:
Welcome back to Utah. Didn't you do this last year - Capitol Reef? I
assume you're headed toward Arches (Moab). You'll have a fairly good
drop in elevation (almost 3000'
heading up 191 between Monticello andLaSal Junction. Monticello sits at 7000' - the little ball travels well
at that elevation [
] . Have a safe trip.Joe (Pappy) Hagan
St. George, UT
(Wannabe)
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
>
> I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but with the
> fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to about 195
> when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a concern
> though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling and
> can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is reaching
> around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
> guage is either.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, Utah.
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> jwasnewski@ wrote:
> >
> > I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up a bad
> load of fuel?
> > Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
> chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator I'll
> tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are similar.
> I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures taken from
> the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> > I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out to be
> the Alarmstat not working correctly.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ronmarabito2002
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> >
> >
> > Thanks Dan for posting the update.
> >
> > I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars poorer,
but
> > not as bad as I thought it might be.
> >
> > Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
> > decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical anomolly,
they
> > were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the
tranny
> > light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> > departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to ignore
> > the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running just
> fine.
> >
> > I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override mode
to
> > make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided that
I
> > have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two
other
> > cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to
get
> > infra red temps around the radiator.
> >
> > The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated from
the
> > bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
> >
> > Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left. We'll
see
> > how long that lasts.
> >
> > Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in the
> > four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way
and I
> > got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely
have
> > to be replaced.
> >
> > This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle
down.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf tomorrow.
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the update Dan.
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards Gallup
NM.
> > > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > > >
> > > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > > >BB BMC 37'
> > > >
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this
> point,
> > > >but
> > > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked
> them to
> > > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > > >
> > > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
> repaired it.
> > > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It says
> > > >nothing
> > > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle, we
> only
> > > >got
> > > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > > >
> > > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response test
and
> > > >power
> > > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
> having the
> > > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > > >
> > > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a
little
> > > >while,
> > > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - bloomas - 04-25-2007 23:33
----- Original Message -----
From: ronmarabito2002
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:56 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
Hi Ron Sorry to here about your problems.
Ron I no on my bird there is no oil cooler you have a tranny cooler and
hyrdraulic oil cooler for the steering unit and radiator fan.
If you are running your engine oil as hi as 250 degrees you going to blow the
engine in short order 210 degrees is max.I would check the gauge and get
temp.readings off the oil pan and oil filters soon.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but with the
fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to about 195
when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a concern
though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling and
can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is reaching
around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
gauge is either.
R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Currently in Monticello, Utah.
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up a bad
load of fuel?
> Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator I'll
tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are similar.
I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures taken from
the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out to be
the Alarmstat not working correctly.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
>
>
> Thanks Dan for posting the update.
>
> I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars poorer, but
> not as bad as I thought it might be.
>
> Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
> decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical anomolly, they
> were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the tranny
> light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to ignore
> the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running just
fine.
>
> I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override mode to
> make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided that I
> have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two other
> cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to get
> infra red temps around the radiator.
>
> The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated from the
> bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
>
> Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left. We'll see
> how long that lasts.
>
> Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in the
> four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way and I
> got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely have
> to be replaced.
>
> This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle down.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf tomorrow.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> >
> > Thanks for the update Dan.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > 84FC35
> > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards Gallup NM.
> > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > >
> > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > >BB BMC 37'
> > >
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this
point,
> > >but
> > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked
them to
> > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > >
> > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
repaired it.
> > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It says
> > >nothing
> > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle, we
only
> > >got
> > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > >
> > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response test and
> > >power
> > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
having the
> > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > >
> > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a little
> > >while,
> > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - Leroy Eckert - 04-26-2007 01:33
That oil temperature is the absolute maximum allowable according to my
literature. My oil temperature routinely ran 235-240 on the flat until I made a
single change. While I haven't been able to pull a grade of any consequence I
have seen temperature reductions across the board on the analog gauges.
My set up is this: The radiator. In front of that is an a/c condenser and the
oil cooler for the power steering and the hydraulic fan itself. The coolers
cover a major part of the radiator cooling surface. Water from the radiator is
dispersed to the tranny, retarder and engine oil cooler heat exchangers through
a manifold to cool the units. As water temp increases so does the temperature
of those units.
Earlier model BB's with the a/c condenser on the roof have the benefit of cooler
air ( road surface temperature, and that can be very hot) passing over the
radiator(ie.ours cools the condenser first and then cools the radiator with the
same road surface air.) That indicates the air going through our radiator is
proportionately hotter than on earlier models. You can cut off the chassis a/c
or increase the air flow which you are doing with the fan override. In theory,
once water temperatures reach 195 degrees the Alarmstat should place the fan in
high mode and keep it on until temperatures back off to about 187 degrees at
which time the fan goes to idle mode. If it never gets to 187 the fan should
continue running full force and yield the same results as the fan override.
I'll post my temperatures Tuesday after our run to Talladega. They will be
actual realtime temps taken off the VMSpc from the DDEC as it is receiving them.
I have been jacking around with my system through the winter and am interested
to see the results.
Your cooling issue could be the Alarmstat or a combination of that and the
radiator. I am currently working on the plumbing for my radiator water flood
system just in case I need it. MH gave me that idea. If I lived in the
Mountain West I for sure would have a waterflood system to pull the mountains.
I'm using a 190 degree Alarmstat now.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: ronmarabito2002
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:56 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but with the
fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to about 195
when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a concern
though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling and
can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is reaching
around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
guage is either.
R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Currently in Monticello, Utah.
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up a bad
load of fuel?
> Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator I'll
tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are similar.
I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures taken from
the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out to be
the Alarmstat not working correctly.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
>
>
> Thanks Dan for posting the update.
>
> I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars poorer, but
> not as bad as I thought it might be.
>
> Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
> decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical anomolly, they
> were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the tranny
> light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to ignore
> the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running just
fine.
>
> I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override mode to
> make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided that I
> have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two other
> cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to get
> infra red temps around the radiator.
>
> The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated from the
> bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
>
> Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left. We'll see
> how long that lasts.
>
> Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in the
> four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way and I
> got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely have
> to be replaced.
>
> This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle down.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf tomorrow.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> >
> > Thanks for the update Dan.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > 84FC35
> > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards Gallup NM.
> > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > >
> > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > >BB BMC 37'
> > >
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this
point,
> > >but
> > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked
them to
> > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > >
> > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
repaired it.
> > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It says
> > >nothing
> > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle, we
only
> > >got
> > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > >
> > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response test and
> > >power
> > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
having the
> > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > >
> > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a little
> > >while,
> > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - Gregory OConnor - 04-26-2007 02:00
My oil gets upto and over 235 often. the water raises to 195 then
down. When I first got my bus 2005 I called Holland motors in
SanDiego and they said 250oil was warm but ok???????
Tranny health can effect water temp as if it is getting too warm,
there is less room left for the water heat loss. My 500 hp Cummins/
10 speed manual dump truck reacts quicker to cooling and I think it
is lack of a automatic tranny in the equation.
DonB makes note of it and I do see the value of digital gauges which
require no math or extrapolation. To shoot a temp of the oil filter
may be a good idea but that is a long walk. at idle the temps often
go up a bit before they lower after a hard run because the fan and
pump are low. I wish oiltemp gauge was an option that my bus did not
have.
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandca
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bloomas"
wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:56 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> Hi Ron Sorry to here about your problems.
> Ron I no on my bird there is no oil cooler you have a tranny
cooler and hyrdraulic oil cooler for the steering unit and radiator
fan.
> If you are running your engine oil as hi as 250 degrees you going
to blow the engine in short order 210 degrees is max.I would check
the gauge and get temp.readings off the oil pan and oil filters soon.
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
>
>
> I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but
with the
> fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to about
195
> when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a concern
> though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling
and
> can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is
reaching
> around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
> gauge is either.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, Utah.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> >
> > I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up a
bad
> load of fuel?
> > Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
> chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator
I'll
> tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are
similar.
> I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures taken
from
> the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> > I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out to
be
> the Alarmstat not working correctly.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ronmarabito2002
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> >
> >
> > Thanks Dan for posting the update.
> >
> > I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars
poorer, but
> > not as bad as I thought it might be.
> >
> > Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
> > decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical
anomolly, they
> > were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the
tranny
> > light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> > departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to
ignore
> > the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running
just
> fine.
> >
> > I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override
mode to
> > make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided
that I
> > have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two
other
> > cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to
get
> > infra red temps around the radiator.
> >
> > The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated
from the
> > bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
> >
> > Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left.
We'll see
> > how long that lasts.
> >
> > Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in
the
> > four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way
and I
> > got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely
have
> > to be replaced.
> >
> > This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle
down.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf
tomorrow.
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the update Dan.
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards
Gallup NM.
> > > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > > >
> > > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > > >BB BMC 37'
> > > >
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this
> point,
> > > >but
> > > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked
> them to
> > > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > > >
> > > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
> repaired it.
> > > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It
says
> > > >nothing
> > > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle,
we
> only
> > > >got
> > > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > > >
> > > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response
test and
> > > >power
> > > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
> having the
> > > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > > >
> > > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a
little
> > > >while,
> > > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - Gregory OConnor - 04-26-2007 02:18
Leroy, I like the idea of the Rad irrigation system. I thought of
using grey water but Mike noted that not much water was needed. I
think you will need several sprays as the airflow dynamics will
change dramatically with a 2,000 rpm driven fan.
Fan override allow the operator to screw up the cooling system
engineering real time. I use it to keep the fan from cycling on and
off and I use it to cool the tranny on a retarder held hill decend as
I am not sure the tranny temp will turn the fan on. I ( now) always
wait for the bus to turn the fan on and keep it on via the override
if I think the road will remain hard climbing. Folks that turn the
fan on prior to a hill climb rob the ground drive of almost 10 % of
the HP that is used up running the fan. I am interested in seeing
your results Temp vs temp vs rpm at a given stress and ambient.
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> That oil temperature is the absolute maximum allowable according to
my literature. My oil temperature routinely ran 235-240 on the flat
until I made a single change. While I haven't been able to pull a
grade of any consequence I have seen temperature reductions across
the board on the analog gauges.
>
> My set up is this: The radiator. In front of that is an a/c
condenser and the oil cooler for the power steering and the hydraulic
fan itself. The coolers cover a major part of the radiator cooling
surface. Water from the radiator is dispersed to the tranny,
retarder and engine oil cooler heat exchangers through a manifold to
cool the units. As water temp increases so does the temperature of
those units.
>
> Earlier model BB's with the a/c condenser on the roof have the
benefit of cooler air ( road surface temperature, and that can be
very hot) passing over the radiator(ie.ours cools the condenser
first and then cools the radiator with the same road surface air.)
That indicates the air going through our radiator is proportionately
hotter than on earlier models. You can cut off the chassis a/c or
increase the air flow which you are doing with the fan override. In
theory, once water temperatures reach 195 degrees the Alarmstat
should place the fan in high mode and keep it on until temperatures
back off to about 187 degrees at which time the fan goes to idle
mode. If it never gets to 187 the fan should continue running full
force and yield the same results as the fan override.
>
> I'll post my temperatures Tuesday after our run to Talladega.
They will be actual realtime temps taken off the VMSpc from the DDEC
as it is receiving them. I have been jacking around with my system
through the winter and am interested to see the results.
>
> Your cooling issue could be the Alarmstat or a combination of that
and the radiator. I am currently working on the plumbing for my
radiator water flood system just in case I need it. MH gave me that
idea. If I lived in the Mountain West I for sure would have a
waterflood system to pull the mountains.
>
> I'm using a 190 degree Alarmstat now.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:56 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
>
>
> I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but
with the
> fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to about
195
> when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a concern
> though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling
and
> can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is
reaching
> around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
> guage is either.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, Utah.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> >
> > I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up a
bad
> load of fuel?
> > Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
> chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator
I'll
> tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are
similar.
> I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures taken
from
> the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> > I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out to
be
> the Alarmstat not working correctly.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ronmarabito2002
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> >
> >
> > Thanks Dan for posting the update.
> >
> > I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars
poorer, but
> > not as bad as I thought it might be.
> >
> > Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
> > decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical
anomolly, they
> > were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the
tranny
> > light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> > departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to
ignore
> > the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running
just
> fine.
> >
> > I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override
mode to
> > make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided
that I
> > have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two
other
> > cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to
get
> > infra red temps around the radiator.
> >
> > The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated
from the
> > bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
> >
> > Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left.
We'll see
> > how long that lasts.
> >
> > Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in
the
> > four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way
and I
> > got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely
have
> > to be replaced.
> >
> > This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle
down.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf
tomorrow.
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the update Dan.
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards
Gallup NM.
> > > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > > >
> > > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > > >BB BMC 37'
> > > >
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this
> point,
> > > >but
> > > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked
> them to
> > > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > > >
> > > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
> repaired it.
> > > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It
says
> > > >nothing
> > > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle,
we
> only
> > > >got
> > > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > > >
> > > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response
test and
> > > >power
> > > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
> having the
> > > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > > >
> > > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a
little
> > > >while,
> > > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>