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Going to get coach - Don Bradner - 10-19-2008 08:16

Correct - the DDECII does not output engine oil temp, or it would be simple to
rig an alarm with VMSPC when it reached some temp.

I do have an analog oil temp gauge, but it runs pretty high all of the time -
I'm not sure I would notice unless it *really* went high!

On 10/19/2008 at 7:30 PM ronmarabito2002 wrote:

>Only thing I can think of is for the safety sensors to shut it down
>first. Since the coolant temp did not rise, that sensor didn't do
>anything. It needs an oil temp sensor, but this model didn't have
>one. I'm planning to get a hold of Detroit to find out if one can be
>added. But I think it has to do with the DDEC II
>
>R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams"
>wrote:
>>
>> Ron, Is there anything that can be done to the engine to keep this from
>> happening again?
>>
>> Dan, 8v92, Jackson, ms
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002
>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:00 AM
>> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Going to get coach
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi to all of you. I paid the bill in Calgary yesterday via direct
>> wire transfer. The good news is: the exchange rate saved me about
>> $4,000 dollars, so all is not bad.
>>
>> I will fly to Calgary in the morning to pick up the coach. I will
>> have to button up the bedroom, since they wanted to charge me over
>> $600 labor to do that. I won't leave Calgary until Tuesday morning.
>> Plan to stop see a friend in Lewistown, MT hopefully the first night
>> out. Depends on how I have to run with the re-built engine. I will
>> take a route back home avoiding as much mountain driving as possible.
>>
>> Once back in the US and further south, I should be able to get back
>> on line using my dish and I can give a report on how the engine is
>> performing.
>>
>> Dick: Sorry to hear about you tranny problems. Hope they are minor.
>>
>> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>>
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Going to get coach - erniecarpet@... - 10-19-2008 08:52



Wallace, when Brenda and I arrived right behind you and witnessed the gooey mess coming from your engine and all over you Durango, I don't recall anything smelling sweet. As I recall, it was a light brown in color.
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Weatherford, Texas





Going to get coach - Rob Robinson - 10-19-2008 08:55

Don you're right. You and several other, myself included, have analog oil temp guages that read high. I've checked the engine oil pan with an IR gun and get consistent 180s F temps even after pulling a long hill yet the guage will be somewhere above 230F. Guage goes from 230F to 320F in the last quarter of it's scale making it pretty hard to judge what the temp is. Makes me think that the sending unit (aka sensor) in these things may have degraded over the years and is sending a false reading. Or maybe the guage itself is faulty......who knows. There's just too many of us getting high readings for me not to suspect a fault rather than a genuine overheating condition.



2008/10/19 Don Bradner <"bluethunder@arcatapet.com">



Correct - the DDECII does not output engine oil temp, or it would be simple to rig an alarm with VMSPC when it reached some temp.

I do have an analog oil temp gauge, but it runs pretty high all of the time - I'm not sure I would notice unless it *really* went high!


On 10/19/2008 at 7:30 PM ronmarabito2002 wrote:

>Only thing I can think of is for the safety sensors to shut it down
>first. Since the coolant temp did not rise, that sensor didn't do
>anything. It needs an oil temp sensor, but this model didn't have

>one. I'm planning to get a hold of Detroit to find out if one can be
>added. But I think it has to do with the DDEC II
>
>R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Dan Williams"

>wrote:
>>
>> Ron, Is there anything that can be done to the engine to keep this from
>> happening again?
>>
>> Dan, 8v92, Jackson, ms
>>
>>
>>

>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
>> [mailto:"WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002

>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:00 AM
>> To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
>> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Going to get coach

>>
>>
>>
>> Hi to all of you. I paid the bill in Calgary yesterday via direct
>> wire transfer. The good news is: the exchange rate saved me about
>> $4,000 dollars, so all is not bad.

>>
>> I will fly to Calgary in the morning to pick up the coach. I will
>> have to button up the bedroom, since they wanted to charge me over
>> $600 labor to do that. I won't leave Calgary until Tuesday morning.

>> Plan to stop see a friend in Lewistown, MT hopefully the first night
>> out. Depends on how I have to run with the re-built engine. I will
>> take a route back home avoiding as much mountain driving as possible.

>>
>> Once back in the US and further south, I should be able to get back
>> on line using my dish and I can give a report on how the engine is
>> performing.
>>
>> Dick: Sorry to hear about you tranny problems. Hope they are minor.

>>
>> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>>
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Going to get coach - Kurt Horvath - 10-19-2008 10:05




[b][i]



Ron,



I hope you find the new powerplant runs like a two year old stallion. The bright side is you shouldn't have to worry about that again. I don't think you'll have to worry about any hills or babying the 8V92 they are built to run and I sure you'll be happy with the new motor.



Rob, is correct, far too many of us have the same habitual problems. Ihave replaced my Oil Pressure, Oil Temp., Water Temp. Gauges and Senders, TWICE! With no improvement in accuracy or reliability, they all recorded diffrently from the last gauge. I don't like Telflex gauges for one, besides being inaccurate they are dull at night. I think new gauges and senders from a different manufacture may solve our plight. Another problem is the distance of the wires from the engine to the dashboard not capable of carrying a strong signal.



Fortunately the Silverlaef saved me. Unfortunately it does not appear to be as good an option for the DDEC II.



Inaccurate Gauges, Holding Tank Smell, Clogged & Inefficient air flow to the Radiators, Short Exhaust System Life, Broken Shock Mounts. These appear to be habitual and reoccurring problems, in the mid 80's to mid 90's coaches. I think the most pressing issue is the gauges. If we had a fix for this maybe Ron could have saved his motor and the aggravation that it created.



Kurt Horvath



95 PT 42



10AC



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Going to get coach - ronmarabito2002 - 10-19-2008 10:25

I have the same gauge and that is what gave me the first sign of
trouble. It started up above normal range.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
wrote:
>
> Correct - the DDECII does not output engine oil temp, or it would be
simple to rig an alarm with VMSPC when it reached some temp.
>
> I do have an analog oil temp gauge, but it runs pretty high all of
the time - I'm not sure I would notice unless it *really* went high!
>
> On 10/19/2008 at 7:30 PM ronmarabito2002 wrote:
>
> >Only thing I can think of is for the safety sensors to shut it down
> >first. Since the coolant temp did not rise, that sensor didn't do
> >anything. It needs an oil temp sensor, but this model didn't have
> >one. I'm planning to get a hold of Detroit to find out if one can be
> >added. But I think it has to do with the DDEC II
> >
> >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams"
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> Ron, Is there anything that can be done to the engine to keep
this from
> >> happening again?
> >>
> >> Dan, 8v92, Jackson, ms
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
ronmarabito2002
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:00 AM
> >> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Going to get coach
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi to all of you. I paid the bill in Calgary yesterday via direct
> >> wire transfer. The good news is: the exchange rate saved me about
> >> $4,000 dollars, so all is not bad.
> >>
> >> I will fly to Calgary in the morning to pick up the coach. I will
> >> have to button up the bedroom, since they wanted to charge me over
> >> $600 labor to do that. I won't leave Calgary until Tuesday morning.
> >> Plan to stop see a friend in Lewistown, MT hopefully the first night
> >> out. Depends on how I have to run with the re-built engine. I will
> >> take a route back home avoiding as much mountain driving as possible.
> >>
> >> Once back in the US and further south, I should be able to get back
> >> on line using my dish and I can give a report on how the engine is
> >> performing.
> >>
> >> Dick: Sorry to hear about you tranny problems. Hope they are minor.
> >>
> >> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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Going to get coach - ronmarabito2002 - 10-19-2008 10:30

Since that was the only early signs, I thought I might have dodged a
bullet, but when I checked the oil, it was an inch higher than it
should be. I'll tell you also, it is hard to tell there is coolant in
the black oil.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> If that had happened to me, I probably would have shut the engine
down,
> also. I bet it was very stressful to see the bodily fluids flowing
so freely out
> of an area that is not supposed to be that way.
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Weatherford, Texas
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Going to get coach - Leroy Eckert - 10-19-2008 10:34

Based on my personal research and discussions with BB after this event occurred, the coolant level sensor (installed in the highest point of the radiator coolant) should have sent the engine with a DDEC II into Ramp Mode as all 8v92's with DDEC II were sent out from BB with this pre programmed. High coolant temp may not have worked if the water abruptly dumped into the crankcase but one should also expect high tranny temps in this case also. The sensors on my coach which can only safely be checked by hooking up a tester on the DDL are, coolant level, low oil pressure, high water temperature, and low fuel pressure.I have an optional coolant level module also. According to BB all should give an alarm if working properly and initiate Ramp Mode within 15 seconds of an event occurring outside the pre programmed parameters in the DDEC II. The buzzing when the key is
turned on checks the circuits integrity, not the integrety of the sensors themselves. I gotta get my coach to a shop and get it checked out. I know my coolant level is working because I removed fluid from the tank and checked it.
BB emphatically advised me not to go crossing wires on the various sensors as it could severely damage the DDEC II system.
I hope you have great luck from here on out.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, Don Bradner wrote:
From: Don Bradner
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 4:16 PM



Correct - the DDECII does not output engine oil temp, or it would be simple to rig an alarm with VMSPC when it reached some temp.



I do have an analog oil temp gauge, but it runs pretty high all of the time - I'm not sure I would notice unless it *really* went high!



On 10/19/2008 at 7:30 PM ronmarabito2002 wrote:



>Only thing I can think of is for the safety sensors to shut it down

>first. Since the coolant temp did not rise, that sensor didn't do

>anything. It needs an oil temp sensor, but this model didn't have

>one. I'm planning to get a hold of Detroit to find out if one can be

>added. But I think it has to do with the DDEC II

>

>R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

>

> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Dan Williams"

>wrote:

>>

>> Ron, Is there anything that can be done to the engine to keep this from

>> happening again?

>>

>> Dan, 8v92, Jackson, ms

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> _____

>>

>> From: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

>> [mailto:"WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002

>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:00 AM

>> To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

>> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Going to get coach

>>

>>

>>

>> Hi to all of you. I paid the bill in Calgary yesterday via direct

>> wire transfer. The good news is: the exchange rate saved me about

>> $4,000 dollars, so all is not bad.

>>

>> I will fly to Calgary in the morning to pick up the coach. I will

>> have to button up the bedroom, since they wanted to charge me over

>> $600 labor to do that. I won't leave Calgary until Tuesday morning.

>> Plan to stop see a friend in Lewistown, MT hopefully the first night

>> out. Depends on how I have to run with the re-built engine. I will

>> take a route back home avoiding as much mountain driving as possible.

>>

>> Once back in the US and further south, I should be able to get back

>> on line using my dish and I can give a report on how the engine is

>> performing.

>>

>> Dick: Sorry to hear about you tranny problems. Hope they are minor.

>>

>> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

>>

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Going to get coach - ronmarabito2002 - 10-19-2008 10:35

The fact that the engine was running like a dream at the time of the
failure tells me that it could happen again. I am convinced that a
simple less than $10 seal failed causing this problem.

I have always taken great care of the engine. It has never so much as
bobbled before.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath" wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Ron,
>
> I hope you find the new powerplant runs like a two year old stallion.
> The bright side is you shouldn't have to worry about that again. I
> don't think you'll have to worry about any hills or babying the
> 8V92 they are built to run and I sure you'll be happy with the new
> motor.
>
> Rob, is correct, far too many of us have the same habitual problems. I
> have replaced my Oil Pressure, Oil Temp., Water Temp. Gauges and
> Senders, TWICE! With no improvement in accuracy or reliability, they all
> recorded diffrently from the last gauge. I don't like Telflex
> gauges for one, besides being inaccurate they are dull at night. I think
> new gauges and senders from a different manufacture may solve our
> plight. Another problem is the distance of the wires from the engine to
> the dashboard not capable of carrying a strong signal.
>
> Fortunately the Silverlaef saved me. Unfortunately it does not appear to
> be as good an option for the DDEC II.
>
> Inaccurate Gauges, Holding Tank Smell, Clogged & Inefficient air flow to
> the Radiators, Short Exhaust System Life, Broken Shock Mounts. These
> appear to be habitual and reoccurring problems, in the mid 80's to
> mid 90's coaches. I think the most pressing issue is the gauges. If
> we had a fix for this maybe Ron could have saved his motor and the
> aggravation that it created.
>
> Kurt Horvath
>
> 95 PT 42
>
> 10AC
>

Going to get coach - Wallace Craig - 10-19-2008 10:52

Ron, this will sound strange but when I had my head gasket problem and coolant got into the oil, I learned that if you taste the oil, you will taste the sweetness of the coolant. I hasten to say that I did not try it for any number of reasons; but I was also told you could smell it.(who knows)??
Who knows??

Wallace Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, ronmarabito2002 wrote:

From: ronmarabito2002
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 5:30 PM


Since that was the only early signs, I thought I might have dodged a
bullet, but when I checked the oil, it was an inch higher than it
should be. I'll tell you also, it is hard to tell there is coolant in
the black oil.
R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> If that had happened to me, I probably would have shut the engine
down, > also. I bet it was very stressful to see the bodily fluids flowing
so freely out > of an area that is not supposed to be that way. > > Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Weatherford, Texas
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Going to get coach - Wallace Craig - 10-19-2008 10:52

Ron, this will sound strange but when I had my head gasket problem and coolant got into the oil, I learned that if you taste the oil, you will taste the sweetness of the coolant. I hasten to say that I did not try it for any number of reasons; but I was also told you could smell it.(who knows)??
Who knows??

Wallace Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, ronmarabito2002 wrote:

From: ronmarabito2002
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 5:30 PM


Since that was the only early signs, I thought I might have dodged a
bullet, but when I checked the oil, it was an inch higher than it
should be. I'll tell you also, it is hard to tell there is coolant in
the black oil.
R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> If that had happened to me, I probably would have shut the engine
down, > also. I bet it was very stressful to see the bodily fluids flowing
so freely out > of an area that is not supposed to be that way. > > Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Weatherford, Texas
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