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Serious question - bubblerboy64 - 10-28-2008 17:37

Leroy, Don't get me wrong good points have been made as to the pros
and cons PT to SP. The problem really centers around the ZF
transmission which some have reported as inferior others as never
having heard of one needing rebuilt. The 3208 is said to be weak and
a "throw away" by the PT crowd. The owners report few problems and
criticize the detroits for slobbering oil and poor fuel economy. No
one has dates, times, or places to support any of this to the best of
my knowledge so I must assume it is anecdotal, but hearsay might be a
better word, Very similar to the diesel truck forms. It was
concluded that the best truck hands down was the Ford truck with a
Dodge (cummins) motor with the Chevy (allison) transmission. Sorta
how I feel personally at this point about the buses. I am going to
find the one I like best. I will consider everything which as been
said but I will in the end decide. As stated having seen the SP I am
impressed it's so much more then my ole FC. I two weeks I'll be able
to see touch and experience several PT's so perhaps my position will
change. At this point I am not worried. I feel pretty certain I
could be happy with either.
John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC
>
> I don't understand the anecdotal evidence issue. Hearsay or
expansion of a tale perhaps.
>
> Differences between a PT and SP are significant in several
respects. SP's have a 3208 CAT I believe although I do not own one. A
PT generally has an 8v92. SP's have two axle's and PT's three. Most
PT's have front entry although there are two or three with side
entry. SP's have side entry as far as I know . I like side entry,
that is one reason I like a Newell.
> One needs to decide what weight and power they desire, how one
intends to use it and floor plan. Maintenance cost also enter into
the equation. Heat, gas or hydronic. Floor plans cannot be
significantly different in 300 sq. ft. although Mike B has a vanity
and sink in his center hall isle. Nice bus he has.
> Take your time, drive them and decide from there. A full record
accounting is quite good.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, bubblerboy64 wrote:
> From: bubblerboy64
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Serious question
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:02 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Brad, Thanks so much for that heads up which makes a
lot of sense. I
>
> will factor that into the equation which is getting very long and
>
> complex :-) The debate continues about the PT vs SP but neither
camp
>
> has much in the way of more then anecdotal information. I am going
>
> to drive several of each and pick the one I like the best. I will
>
> look at the Newell but its more money then the others anyways so
its
>
> a dark horse in the race. Not say that it's totally a dead horse
but
>
> it's fading at the back nine.
>
>
>
> John Heckman
>
> central Pa
>
> 1973 FC
>
> >
>
> > John,
>
> > As a former Newell owner, I'll give you a little of my
experience.
>
> If you have trouble on the road, the easiest, most universal
coaches
>
> to be fixed on route are Marathon, MCI and Prevost because they
have
>
> so much in common with trucks and OTR buses. Blue Bird is probably
>
> next with identifiable components you can often replace on the
road.
>
> Newell is more of a proprietary coach. If you have a mechanic with
>
> experience with Newell coaches, you're fine at home. On the road,
I
>
> learned the hard way that most truck, bus and RV shops are
clueless.
>
> Just the air-leveling system on the Newell had three different air
>
> tanks, automatic road, automatic park and manual park leveling
>
> controls with I don't know how many valves. I got the last Bendix
>
> air cruise control sending unit and the last air bags for that
>
> model. Air operated doors, different suspension, different water
and
>
> climate control systems, they're all different from jsut about
>
> everyone elses'. They're generally high-quality components, but I
>
> think Blue Bird on average has the edge on interior fit, finish,
>
> materials and quality. In my opinion, Newell's ease of handling
and
>
> drivability was superior to both Blue Birds I have owned.
>
> > If you can make a pilgrimage to Miami, Oklahoma once a year for
>
> regular maintenance, you could solve a lot of problems before they
>
> happen from filters, lubed hidden parts, etc. The guys who
remember
>
> making your Newell would probably be the ones working on it. They
>
> have a nice overnight park. They'll even let you borrow a car to
go
>
> into town. Last I knew, they were still family-owned and operated,
>
> great people, great service, but like Mac users, you have to be a
>
> sold-out Newell Kool-aid drinker to get the most out of your
>
> coach. Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@ .
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ ...: jehdds@: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:48:27
>
> +0000Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Serious question
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > As some of you may know I am looking to move up from my 1973 FC
to
>
> something a little newer. I am actively looking at PT's SP's and a
>
> very nice Newell coach. My concern is my relationship to the BB
>
> fraternity of owners if on the off chance I would buy a Newell
>
> coach ? And I haven't seen the coach as yet so I can't say how
>
> serious I am about the Newell but I would hate to be "tossed out"
>
> or "unwelcome" in the BB community. I am serious. I hold this group
>
> and the friends I have made in such regard that I would likely
factor
>
> out the Newell and not consider it at all if I was to be
>
> excommunicated from the BB group functions. How's this handled and
>
> what should I expect? This is a little premature but I want to know
>
> so that I factor it into my decision making about what I would buy.
>
> John Heckmancentral Pa 1973 FC at
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> > You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC.
>
> > http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/ 115298556/ direct/01/
>
> >
>

Serious question - Gregory OConnor - 10-28-2008 18:38

Get the most you can afford.

I had a 92 Newell, like a FisherPakel dishwasher ;nogood, ;expensive
but ;way cool looking.

When you cross over you become a SOB. never understood why I am
refered to with that acronym, drive a creampuff 94pt?

Greg94ptCA

Serious question - Henry Jay Hannigan - 10-29-2008 02:27

Dear Forum members:
For those concerned about the ZF tranny........go outside and watch
the garbage trucks zoom zoom..by...many of them have ZF trannys made
by a German company that makes all the trannys for BMW & MERCEDES. I
understand the ZF got a bad rap in 1989 when BB initially installed
them due to a VOLTAGE PROBLEM in connecting the ZF.. BB finally
corrected the electrical problem by making a better connection....had
nothing to do with the ZF tranny which in my opinion is BULLETPROOF.
Regards,

Hank Hannigan..(still in Vegas)...send money.....
90SP36






--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
wrote:
>
> Leroy, Don't get me wrong good points have been made as to the pros
> and cons PT to SP. The problem really centers around the ZF
> transmission which some have reported as inferior others as never
> having heard of one needing rebuilt. The 3208 is said to be weak
and
> a "throw away" by the PT crowd. The owners report few problems and
> criticize the detroits for slobbering oil and poor fuel economy. No
> one has dates, times, or places to support any of this to the best
of
> my knowledge so I must assume it is anecdotal, but hearsay might be
a
> better word, Very similar to the diesel truck forms. It was
> concluded that the best truck hands down was the Ford truck with a
> Dodge (cummins) motor with the Chevy (allison) transmission. Sorta
> how I feel personally at this point about the buses. I am going to
> find the one I like best. I will consider everything which as been
> said but I will in the end decide. As stated having seen the SP I
am
> impressed it's so much more then my ole FC. I two weeks I'll be
able
> to see touch and experience several PT's so perhaps my position
will
> change. At this point I am not worried. I feel pretty certain I
> could be happy with either.
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973 FC
> >
> > I don't understand the anecdotal evidence issue. Hearsay or
> expansion of a tale perhaps.
> >
> > Differences between a PT and SP are significant in several
> respects. SP's have a 3208 CAT I believe although I do not own one.
A
> PT generally has an 8v92. SP's have two axle's and PT's three. Most
> PT's have front entry although there are two or three with side
> entry. SP's have side entry as far as I know . I like side entry,
> that is one reason I like a Newell.
> > One needs to decide what weight and power they desire, how one
> intends to use it and floor plan. Maintenance cost also enter into
> the equation. Heat, gas or hydronic. Floor plans cannot be
> significantly different in 300 sq. ft. although Mike B has a vanity
> and sink in his center hall isle. Nice bus he has.
> > Take your time, drive them and decide from there. A full record
> accounting is quite good.
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> > Dahlonega, GA
> > Royale Conversion
> >
> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, bubblerboy64 wrote:
> > From: bubblerboy64
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Serious question
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:02 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brad, Thanks so much for that heads up which makes a
> lot of sense. I
> >
> > will factor that into the equation which is getting very long and
> >
> > complex :-) The debate continues about the PT vs SP but neither
> camp
> >
> > has much in the way of more then anecdotal information. I am
going
> >
> > to drive several of each and pick the one I like the best. I will
> >
> > look at the Newell but its more money then the others anyways so
> its
> >
> > a dark horse in the race. Not say that it's totally a dead horse
> but
> >
> > it's fading at the back nine.
> >
> >
> >
> > John Heckman
> >
> > central Pa
> >
> > 1973 FC
> >
> > >
> >
> > > John,
> >
> > > As a former Newell owner, I'll give you a little of my
> experience.
> >
> > If you have trouble on the road, the easiest, most universal
> coaches
> >
> > to be fixed on route are Marathon, MCI and Prevost because they
> have
> >
> > so much in common with trucks and OTR buses. Blue Bird is
probably
> >
> > next with identifiable components you can often replace on the
> road.
> >
> > Newell is more of a proprietary coach. If you have a mechanic
with
> >
> > experience with Newell coaches, you're fine at home. On the
road,
> I
> >
> > learned the hard way that most truck, bus and RV shops are
> clueless.
> >
> > Just the air-leveling system on the Newell had three different
air
> >
> > tanks, automatic road, automatic park and manual park leveling
> >
> > controls with I don't know how many valves. I got the last
Bendix
> >
> > air cruise control sending unit and the last air bags for that
> >
> > model. Air operated doors, different suspension, different water
> and
> >
> > climate control systems, they're all different from jsut about
> >
> > everyone elses'. They're generally high-quality components, but I
> >
> > think Blue Bird on average has the edge on interior fit, finish,
> >
> > materials and quality. In my opinion, Newell's ease of handling
> and
> >
> > drivability was superior to both Blue Birds I have owned.
> >
> > > If you can make a pilgrimage to Miami, Oklahoma once a year for
> >
> > regular maintenance, you could solve a lot of problems before
they
> >
> > happen from filters, lubed hidden parts, etc. The guys who
> remember
> >
> > making your Newell would probably be the ones working on it.
They
> >
> > have a nice overnight park. They'll even let you borrow a car to
> go
> >
> > into town. Last I knew, they were still family-owned and
operated,
> >
> > great people, great service, but like Mac users, you have to be a
> >
> > sold-out Newell Kool-aid drinker to get the most out of your
> >
> > coach. Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@ .
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ ...: jehdds@: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:48:27
> >
> > +0000Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Serious question
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > As some of you may know I am looking to move up from my 1973 FC
> to
> >
> > something a little newer. I am actively looking at PT's SP's and
a
> >
> > very nice Newell coach. My concern is my relationship to the BB
> >
> > fraternity of owners if on the off chance I would buy a Newell
> >
> > coach ? And I haven't seen the coach as yet so I can't say how
> >
> > serious I am about the Newell but I would hate to be "tossed out"
> >
> > or "unwelcome" in the BB community. I am serious. I hold this
group
> >
> > and the friends I have made in such regard that I would likely
> factor
> >
> > out the Newell and not consider it at all if I was to be
> >
> > excommunicated from the BB group functions. How's this handled
and
> >
> > what should I expect? This is a little premature but I want to
know
> >
> > so that I factor it into my decision making about what I would
buy.
> >
> > John Heckmancentral Pa 1973 FC at
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> >
> > > You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your
PC.
> >
> > > http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/ 115298556/ direct/01/
> >
> > >
> >
>

Serious question - robert nloomas - 10-29-2008 02:35

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
wrote:
Hi Hank Go down to western union it's on it way
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36

>
> Dear Forum members:
> For those concerned about the ZF tranny........go outside and watch
> the garbage trucks zoom zoom..by...many of them have ZF trannys
made
> by a German company that makes all the trannys for BMW & MERCEDES.
I
> understand the ZF got a bad rap in 1989 when BB initially installed
> them due to a VOLTAGE PROBLEM in connecting the ZF.. BB finally
> corrected the electrical problem by making a better
connection....had
> nothing to do with the ZF tranny which in my opinion is BULLETPROOF.
> Regards,
>
> Hank Hannigan..(still in Vegas)...send money.....
> 90SP36
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
> wrote:
> >
> > Leroy, Don't get me wrong good points have been made as to the
pros
> > and cons PT to SP. The problem really centers around the ZF
> > transmission which some have reported as inferior others as never
> > having heard of one needing rebuilt. The 3208 is said to be weak
> and
> > a "throw away" by the PT crowd. The owners report few problems
and
> > criticize the detroits for slobbering oil and poor fuel economy.
No
> > one has dates, times, or places to support any of this to the
best
> of
> > my knowledge so I must assume it is anecdotal, but hearsay might
be
> a
> > better word, Very similar to the diesel truck forms. It was
> > concluded that the best truck hands down was the Ford truck with
a
> > Dodge (cummins) motor with the Chevy (allison) transmission.
Sorta
> > how I feel personally at this point about the buses. I am going
to
> > find the one I like best. I will consider everything which as
been
> > said but I will in the end decide. As stated having seen the SP I
> am
> > impressed it's so much more then my ole FC. I two weeks I'll be
> able
> > to see touch and experience several PT's so perhaps my position
> will
> > change. At this point I am not worried. I feel pretty certain I
> > could be happy with either.
> > John Heckman
> > central Pa
> > 1973 FC
> > >
> > > I don't understand the anecdotal evidence issue. Hearsay or
> > expansion of a tale perhaps.
> > >
> > > Differences between a PT and SP are significant in several
> > respects. SP's have a 3208 CAT I believe although I do not own
one.
> A
> > PT generally has an 8v92. SP's have two axle's and PT's three.
Most
> > PT's have front entry although there are two or three with side
> > entry. SP's have side entry as far as I know . I like side entry,
> > that is one reason I like a Newell.
> > > One needs to decide what weight and power they desire, how one
> > intends to use it and floor plan. Maintenance cost also enter
into
> > the equation. Heat, gas or hydronic. Floor plans cannot be
> > significantly different in 300 sq. ft. although Mike B has a
vanity
> > and sink in his center hall isle. Nice bus he has.
> > > Take your time, drive them and decide from there. A full record
> > accounting is quite good.
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> > > Dahlonega, GA
> > > Royale Conversion
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, bubblerboy64 wrote:
> > > From: bubblerboy64
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Serious question
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:02 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad, Thanks so much for that heads up which makes
a
> > lot of sense. I
> > >
> > > will factor that into the equation which is getting very long
and
> > >
> > > complex :-) The debate continues about the PT vs SP but
neither
> > camp
> > >
> > > has much in the way of more then anecdotal information. I am
> going
> > >
> > > to drive several of each and pick the one I like the best. I
will
> > >
> > > look at the Newell but its more money then the others anyways
so
> > its
> > >
> > > a dark horse in the race. Not say that it's totally a dead
horse
> > but
> > >
> > > it's fading at the back nine.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John Heckman
> > >
> > > central Pa
> > >
> > > 1973 FC
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > John,
> > >
> > > > As a former Newell owner, I'll give you a little of my
> > experience.
> > >
> > > If you have trouble on the road, the easiest, most universal
> > coaches
> > >
> > > to be fixed on route are Marathon, MCI and Prevost because they
> > have
> > >
> > > so much in common with trucks and OTR buses. Blue Bird is
> probably
> > >
> > > next with identifiable components you can often replace on the
> > road.
> > >
> > > Newell is more of a proprietary coach. If you have a mechanic
> with
> > >
> > > experience with Newell coaches, you're fine at home. On the
> road,
> > I
> > >
> > > learned the hard way that most truck, bus and RV shops are
> > clueless.
> > >
> > > Just the air-leveling system on the Newell had three different
> air
> > >
> > > tanks, automatic road, automatic park and manual park leveling
> > >
> > > controls with I don't know how many valves. I got the last
> Bendix
> > >
> > > air cruise control sending unit and the last air bags for that
> > >
> > > model. Air operated doors, different suspension, different
water
> > and
> > >
> > > climate control systems, they're all different from jsut about
> > >
> > > everyone elses'. They're generally high-quality components, but
I
> > >
> > > think Blue Bird on average has the edge on interior fit,
finish,
> > >
> > > materials and quality. In my opinion, Newell's ease of
handling
> > and
> > >
> > > drivability was superior to both Blue Birds I have owned.
> > >
> > > > If you can make a pilgrimage to Miami, Oklahoma once a year
for
> > >
> > > regular maintenance, you could solve a lot of problems before
> they
> > >
> > > happen from filters, lubed hidden parts, etc. The guys who
> > remember
> > >
> > > making your Newell would probably be the ones working on it.
> They
> > >
> > > have a nice overnight park. They'll even let you borrow a car
to
> > go
> > >
> > > into town. Last I knew, they were still family-owned and
> operated,
> > >
> > > great people, great service, but like Mac users, you have to be
a
> > >
> > > sold-out Newell Kool-aid drinker to get the most out of your
> > >
> > > coach. Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@ .
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ ...: jehdds@: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:48:27
> > >
> > > +0000Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Serious question
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > As some of you may know I am looking to move up from my 1973
FC
> > to
> > >
> > > something a little newer. I am actively looking at PT's SP's
and
> a
> > >
> > > very nice Newell coach. My concern is my relationship to the BB
> > >
> > > fraternity of owners if on the off chance I would buy a Newell
> > >
> > > coach ? And I haven't seen the coach as yet so I can't say how
> > >
> > > serious I am about the Newell but I would hate to be "tossed
out"
> > >
> > > or "unwelcome" in the BB community. I am serious. I hold this
> group
> > >
> > > and the friends I have made in such regard that I would likely
> > factor
> > >
> > > out the Newell and not consider it at all if I was to be
> > >
> > > excommunicated from the BB group functions. How's this handled
> and
> > >
> > > what should I expect? This is a little premature but I want to
> know
> > >
> > > so that I factor it into my decision making about what I would
> buy.
> > >
> > > John Heckmancentral Pa 1973 FC at
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________
_________ _
> > >
> > > > You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your
> PC.
> > >
> > > > http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/ 115298556/ direct/01/
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Serious question - Henry Jay Hannigan - 10-29-2008 02:45

Bob:
Thanks ..I will run down to Western Union on my way to the poker
tourney at Venetian today....As a sponsor, you are in for half of my
tourney winnings today...If I do not place in the
money...........just pretend you gave the money to a politician!!

Regards,
Hank
90SP36






--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "robert nloomas"
<bbpt36@...> wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
> wrote:
> Hi Hank Go down to western union it's on it way
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
>
> >
> > Dear Forum members:
> > For those concerned about the ZF tranny........go outside and
watch
> > the garbage trucks zoom zoom..by...many of them have ZF trannys
> made
> > by a German company that makes all the trannys for BMW &
MERCEDES.
> I
> > understand the ZF got a bad rap in 1989 when BB initially
installed
> > them due to a VOLTAGE PROBLEM in connecting the ZF.. BB finally
> > corrected the electrical problem by making a better
> connection....had
> > nothing to do with the ZF tranny which in my opinion is
BULLETPROOF.
> > Regards,
> >
> > Hank Hannigan..(still in Vegas)...send money.....
> > 90SP36
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Leroy, Don't get me wrong good points have been made as to the
> pros
> > > and cons PT to SP. The problem really centers around the ZF
> > > transmission which some have reported as inferior others as
never
> > > having heard of one needing rebuilt. The 3208 is said to be
weak
> > and
> > > a "throw away" by the PT crowd. The owners report few problems
> and
> > > criticize the detroits for slobbering oil and poor fuel
economy.
> No
> > > one has dates, times, or places to support any of this to the
> best
> > of
> > > my knowledge so I must assume it is anecdotal, but hearsay
might
> be
> > a
> > > better word, Very similar to the diesel truck forms. It was
> > > concluded that the best truck hands down was the Ford truck
with
> a
> > > Dodge (cummins) motor with the Chevy (allison) transmission.
> Sorta
> > > how I feel personally at this point about the buses. I am
going
> to
> > > find the one I like best. I will consider everything which as
> been
> > > said but I will in the end decide. As stated having seen the SP
I
> > am
> > > impressed it's so much more then my ole FC. I two weeks I'll be
> > able
> > > to see touch and experience several PT's so perhaps my position
> > will
> > > change. At this point I am not worried. I feel pretty certain
I
> > > could be happy with either.
> > > John Heckman
> > > central Pa
> > > 1973 FC
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand the anecdotal evidence issue. Hearsay or
> > > expansion of a tale perhaps.
> > > >
> > > > Differences between a PT and SP are significant in several
> > > respects. SP's have a 3208 CAT I believe although I do not own
> one.
> > A
> > > PT generally has an 8v92. SP's have two axle's and PT's three.
> Most
> > > PT's have front entry although there are two or three with side
> > > entry. SP's have side entry as far as I know . I like side
entry,
> > > that is one reason I like a Newell.
> > > > One needs to decide what weight and power they desire, how
one
> > > intends to use it and floor plan. Maintenance cost also enter
> into
> > > the equation. Heat, gas or hydronic. Floor plans cannot be
> > > significantly different in 300 sq. ft. although Mike B has a
> vanity
> > > and sink in his center hall isle. Nice bus he has.
> > > > Take your time, drive them and decide from there. A full
record
> > > accounting is quite good.
> > > > Leroy Eckert
> > > > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> > > > Dahlonega, GA
> > > > Royale Conversion
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, bubblerboy64 wrote:
> > > > From: bubblerboy64
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Serious question
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:02 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Brad, Thanks so much for that heads up which
makes
> a
> > > lot of sense. I
> > > >
> > > > will factor that into the equation which is getting very long
> and
> > > >
> > > > complex :-) The debate continues about the PT vs SP but
> neither
> > > camp
> > > >
> > > > has much in the way of more then anecdotal information. I am
> > going
> > > >
> > > > to drive several of each and pick the one I like the best. I
> will
> > > >
> > > > look at the Newell but its more money then the others anyways
> so
> > > its
> > > >
> > > > a dark horse in the race. Not say that it's totally a dead
> horse
> > > but
> > > >
> > > > it's fading at the back nine.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John Heckman
> > > >
> > > > central Pa
> > > >
> > > > 1973 FC
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > John,
> > > >
> > > > > As a former Newell owner, I'll give you a little of my
> > > experience.
> > > >
> > > > If you have trouble on the road, the easiest, most universal
> > > coaches
> > > >
> > > > to be fixed on route are Marathon, MCI and Prevost because
they
> > > have
> > > >
> > > > so much in common with trucks and OTR buses. Blue Bird is
> > probably
> > > >
> > > > next with identifiable components you can often replace on
the
> > > road.
> > > >
> > > > Newell is more of a proprietary coach. If you have a
mechanic
> > with
> > > >
> > > > experience with Newell coaches, you're fine at home. On the
> > road,
> > > I
> > > >
> > > > learned the hard way that most truck, bus and RV shops are
> > > clueless.
> > > >
> > > > Just the air-leveling system on the Newell had three
different
> > air
> > > >
> > > > tanks, automatic road, automatic park and manual park
leveling
> > > >
> > > > controls with I don't know how many valves. I got the last
> > Bendix
> > > >
> > > > air cruise control sending unit and the last air bags for
that
> > > >
> > > > model. Air operated doors, different suspension, different
> water
> > > and
> > > >
> > > > climate control systems, they're all different from jsut
about
> > > >
> > > > everyone elses'. They're generally high-quality components,
but
> I
> > > >
> > > > think Blue Bird on average has the edge on interior fit,
> finish,
> > > >
> > > > materials and quality. In my opinion, Newell's ease of
> handling
> > > and
> > > >
> > > > drivability was superior to both Blue Birds I have owned.
> > > >
> > > > > If you can make a pilgrimage to Miami, Oklahoma once a year
> for
> > > >
> > > > regular maintenance, you could solve a lot of problems before
> > they
> > > >
> > > > happen from filters, lubed hidden parts, etc. The guys who
> > > remember
> > > >
> > > > making your Newell would probably be the ones working on it.
> > They
> > > >
> > > > have a nice overnight park. They'll even let you borrow a
car
> to
> > > go
> > > >
> > > > into town. Last I knew, they were still family-owned and
> > operated,
> > > >
> > > > great people, great service, but like Mac users, you have to
be
> a
> > > >
> > > > sold-out Newell Kool-aid drinker to get the most out of your
> > > >
> > > > coach. Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@ .
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ ...: jehdds@: Tue, 28 Oct 2008
14:48:27
> > > >
> > > > +0000Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Serious question
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > As some of you may know I am looking to move up from my
1973
> FC
> > > to
> > > >
> > > > something a little newer. I am actively looking at PT's SP's
> and
> > a
> > > >
> > > > very nice Newell coach. My concern is my relationship to the
BB
> > > >
> > > > fraternity of owners if on the off chance I would buy a
Newell
> > > >
> > > > coach ? And I haven't seen the coach as yet so I can't say
how
> > > >
> > > > serious I am about the Newell but I would hate to be "tossed
> out"
> > > >
> > > > or "unwelcome" in the BB community. I am serious. I hold this
> > group
> > > >
> > > > and the friends I have made in such regard that I would
likely
> > > factor
> > > >
> > > > out the Newell and not consider it at all if I was to be
> > > >
> > > > excommunicated from the BB group functions. How's this
handled
> > and
> > > >
> > > > what should I expect? This is a little premature but I want
to
> > know
> > > >
> > > > so that I factor it into my decision making about what I
would
> > buy.
> > > >
> > > > John Heckmancentral Pa 1973 FC at
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________
> _________ _
> > > >
> > > > > You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond
your
> > PC.
> > > >
> > > > > http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/ 115298556/ direct/01/
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Serious question - Pete Masterson - 10-29-2008 02:52

I think you'd be happy with either one. Both have their strong points
and their weak points. The SP has two fewer tires to buy, when
necessary. It is said to handle a bit better (the tag axle on the PTs
tends to drag in tight maneuvers). The PTs tend to have a little more
carrying capacity and are a couple of feet longer, which can be a
surprisingly important feature depending on your planned use.

ZF tranny ... is great if you don't have any problems with it (and
most don't) and a major headache if you do have problems. (Important
factors are to have good grounding and stable voltage to the ZF
controller.) The Allison in the 8V92 models is a very solid
performing transmission. (It is here that my personal opinion favors
the PT -- but this is not an overwhelming choice. ZF has excellent
technology -- but they're not as widely used in the U.S. so finding
expert repair is more difficult. Frankly, if I were currently in the
market for a 'Bird, I wouldn't be concerned with either transmission
choice -- other factors are going to be more important.)

The 3208 is a "throwaway" engine insofar that you can't do an in-
chassis rebuild. The 8V92 does dribble a fair amount of oil in most
cases (but a few don't). While an in-chassis rebuild is possible, the
actual cost of the 8V92 vs. the 3208 in that situation isn't that
large. You're going to spend a lot of money in either case. Both
engines have a life span under ideal conditions that far exceed the
life-span of the chassis. (In most cases, lack of proper maintenance
and overheating are the cause of a premature rebuild. (With a dose of
bad luck.) This is actually a non-engine situation -- disasters can
happen to both engines and it's not likely to be statistically
determined that one has any advantage over the other. In ALL rear-
engine (pusher) coaches, it's vital to keep the cooling system in top
shape and especially to be on the look out for radiator clogging (and
it's hard to see).

In the end, you simply need to evaluate your RVing needs against the
coaches available to you. Even if one or the other were somehow
"superior", the condition of the actual coaches that are practical
for you to evaluate is more important than the model. e.g. a "good"
SP (or PT) will prove superior to a poor PT (or SP).

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Mt. Airy, NC



On Oct 29, 2008, at 12:37 AM, bubblerboy64 wrote:

> Leroy, Don't get me wrong good points have been made as to the pros
> and cons PT to SP. <snip>

Serious question - Donald Spithaler - 10-29-2008 03:02

The ZF tranny is in Earth Hauling Equipment -- Cranes -- City Bus's It is a heavy duty transmission. I bought mine when I didn't know much about. I have had good service with mine for 5 years
Don Spithaler

89 SP 36'
Butler, PA

On Weoughd, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Henry Jay Hannigan <"hank_87us@yahoo.com"> wrote:



Dear Forum members:

For those concerned about the ZF tranny........go outside and watch

the garbage trucks zoom zoom..by...many of them have ZF trannys made

by a German company that makes all the trannys for BMW & MERCEDES. I

understand the ZF got a bad rap in 1989 when BB initially installed

them due to a VOLTAGE PROBLEM in connecting the ZF.. BB finally

corrected the electrical problem by making a better connection....had

nothing to do with the ZF tranny which in my opinion is BULLETPROOF.

Regards,



Hank Hannigan..(still in Vegas)...send money.....

90SP36




--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "bubblerboy64"

wrote:

>
> Leroy, Don't get me wrong good points have been made as to the pros

> and cons PT to SP. The problem really centers around the ZF

> transmission which some have reported as inferior others as never

> having heard of one needing rebuilt. The 3208 is said to be weak

and

> a "throw away" by the PT crowd. The owners report few problems and

> criticize the detroits for slobbering oil and poor fuel economy. No

> one has dates, times, or places to support any of this to the best

of

> my knowledge so I must assume it is anecdotal, but hearsay might be

a

> better word, Very similar to the diesel truck forms. It was

> concluded that the best truck hands down was the Ford truck with a

> Dodge (cummins) motor with the Chevy (allison) transmission. Sorta

> how I feel personally at this point about the buses. I am going to

> find the one I like best. I will consider everything which as been

> said but I will in the end decide. As stated having seen the SP I

am

> impressed it's so much more then my ole FC. I two weeks I'll be

able

> to see touch and experience several PT's so perhaps my position

will

> change. At this point I am not worried. I feel pretty certain I

> could be happy with either.

> John Heckman

> central Pa

> 1973 FC

> >

> > I don't understand the anecdotal evidence issue. Hearsay or

> expansion of a tale perhaps.

> >

> > Differences between a PT and SP are significant in several

> respects. SP's have a 3208 CAT I believe although I do not own one.

A

> PT generally has an 8v92. SP's have two axle's and PT's three. Most

> PT's have front entry although there are two or three with side

> entry. SP's have side entry as far as I know . I like side entry,

> that is one reason I like a Newell.

> > One needs to decide what weight and power they desire, how one

> intends to use it and floor plan. Maintenance cost also enter into

> the equation. Heat, gas or hydronic. Floor plans cannot be

> significantly different in 300 sq. ft. although Mike B has a vanity

> and sink in his center hall isle. Nice bus he has.

> > Take your time, drive them and decide from there. A full record

> accounting is quite good.

> > Leroy Eckert

> > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors

> > Dahlonega, GA

> > Royale Conversion

> >

> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, bubblerboy64 wrote:

> > From: bubblerboy64

> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Serious question

> > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:02 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Brad, Thanks so much for that heads up which makes a

> lot of sense. I

> >

> > will factor that into the equation which is getting very long and

> >

> > complex :-) The debate continues about the PT vs SP but neither

> camp

> >

> > has much in the way of more then anecdotal information. I am

going

> >

> > to drive several of each and pick the one I like the best. I will

> >

> > look at the Newell but its more money then the others anyways so

> its

> >

> > a dark horse in the race. Not say that it's totally a dead horse

> but

> >

> > it's fading at the back nine.

> >

> >

> >

> > John Heckman

> >

> > central Pa

> >

> > 1973 FC

> >

> > >

> >

> > > John,

> >

> > > As a former Newell owner, I'll give you a little of my

> experience.

> >

> > If you have trouble on the road, the easiest, most universal

> coaches

> >

> > to be fixed on route are Marathon, MCI and Prevost because they

> have

> >

> > so much in common with trucks and OTR buses. Blue Bird is

probably

> >

> > next with identifiable components you can often replace on the

> road.

> >

> > Newell is more of a proprietary coach. If you have a mechanic

with

> >

> > experience with Newell coaches, you're fine at home. On the

road,

> I

> >

> > learned the hard way that most truck, bus and RV shops are

> clueless.

> >

> > Just the air-leveling system on the Newell had three different

air

> >

> > tanks, automatic road, automatic park and manual park leveling

> >

> > controls with I don't know how many valves. I got the last

Bendix

> >

> > air cruise control sending unit and the last air bags for that

> >

> > model. Air operated doors, different suspension, different water

> and

> >

> > climate control systems, they're all different from jsut about

> >

> > everyone elses'. They're generally high-quality components, but I

> >

> > think Blue Bird on average has the edge on interior fit, finish,

> >

> > materials and quality. In my opinion, Newell's ease of handling

> and

> >

> > drivability was superior to both Blue Birds I have owned.

> >

> > > If you can make a pilgrimage to Miami, Oklahoma once a year for

> >

> > regular maintenance, you could solve a lot of problems before

they

> >

> > happen from filters, lubed hidden parts, etc. The guys who

> remember

> >

> > making your Newell would probably be the ones working on it.

They

> >

> > have a nice overnight park. They'll even let you borrow a car to

> go

> >

> > into town. Last I knew, they were still family-owned and

operated,

> >

> > great people, great service, but like Mac users, you have to be a

> >

> > sold-out Newell Kool-aid drinker to get the most out of your

> >

> > coach. Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@ .

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ ...: jehdds@: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:48:27

> >

> > +0000Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Serious question

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > As some of you may know I am looking to move up from my 1973 FC

> to

> >

> > something a little newer. I am actively looking at PT's SP's and

a

> >

> > very nice Newell coach. My concern is my relationship to the BB

> >

> > fraternity of owners if on the off chance I would buy a Newell

> >

> > coach ? And I haven't seen the coach as yet so I can't say how

> >

> > serious I am about the Newell but I would hate to be "tossed out"

> >

> > or "unwelcome" in the BB community. I am serious. I hold this

group

> >

> > and the friends I have made in such regard that I would likely

> factor

> >

> > out the Newell and not consider it at all if I was to be

> >

> > excommunicated from the BB group functions. How's this handled

and

> >

> > what should I expect? This is a little premature but I want to

know

> >

> > so that I factor it into my decision making about what I would

buy.

> >

> > John Heckmancentral Pa 1973 FC at

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> >

> > > You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your

PC.

> >

> > > http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/ 115298556/ direct/01/

> >

> > >

> >

>






Serious question - mbulriss - 10-29-2008 13:20

>Floor plans cannot be significantly different in 300 sq. ft.
>although
Mike B has a vanity and sink in his center hall isle. Nice bus he has.

Aww, shucks! Thank you kindly Leroy! İmage

We really like our rare Bird also!

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
> I don't understand the anecdotal evidence issue. Hearsay or expansion of a tale perhaps.
>
> Differences between a PT and SP are significant in several respects. SP's have a 3208 CAT I believe although I do not own one. A PT generally has an 8v92. SP's have two axle's and PT's three. Most PT's have front entry although there are two or three with side entry. SP's have side entry as far as I know . I like side entry, that is one reason I like a Newell.
> One needs to decide what weight and power they desire, how one intends to use it and floor plan. Maintenance cost also enter into the equation. Heat, gas or hydronic. Floor plans cannot be significantly different in 300 sq. ft. although Mike B has a vanity and sink in his center hall isle. Nice bus he has.
> Take your time, drive them and decide from there. A full record accounting is quite good.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, bubblerboy64 jehdds@... wrote:
> From: bubblerboy64 jehdds@...
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Serious question
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:02 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Brad, Thanks so much for that heads up which makes a lot of sense. I
>
> will factor that into the equation which is getting very long and
>
> complex :-) The debate continues about the PT vs SP but neither camp
>
> has much in the way of more then anecdotal information. I am going
>
> to drive several of each and pick the one I like the best. I will
>
> look at the Newell but its more money then the others anyways so its
>
> a dark horse in the race. Not say that it's totally a dead horse but
>
> it's fading at the back nine.
>
>
>
> John Heckman
>
> central Pa
>
> 1973 FC
>
> >
>
> > John,
>
> > As a former Newell owner, I'll give you a little of my experience.
>
> If you have trouble on the road, the easiest, most universal coaches
>
> to be fixed on route are Marathon, MCI and Prevost because they have
>
> so much in common with trucks and OTR buses. Blue Bird is probably
>
> next with identifiable components you can often replace on the road.
>
> Newell is more of a proprietary coach. If you have a mechanic with
>
> experience with Newell coaches, you're fine at home. On the road, I
>
> learned the hard way that most truck, bus and RV shops are clueless.
>
> Just the air-leveling system on the Newell had three different air
>
> tanks, automatic road, automatic park and manual park leveling
>
> controls with I don't know how many valves. I got the last Bendix
>
> air cruise control sending unit and the last air bags for that
>
> model. Air operated doors, different suspension, different water and
>
> climate control systems, they're all different from jsut about
>
> everyone elses'. They're generally high-quality components, but I
>
> think Blue Bird on average has the edge on interior fit, finish,
>
> materials and quality. In my opinion, Newell's ease of handling and
>
> drivability was superior to both Blue Birds I have owned.
>
> > If you can make a pilgrimage to Miami, Oklahoma once a year for
>
> regular maintenance, you could solve a lot of problems before they
>
> happen from filters, lubed hidden parts, etc. The guys who remember
>
> making your Newell would probably be the ones working on it. They
>
> have a nice overnight park. They'll even let you borrow a car to go
>
> into town. Last I knew, they were still family-owned and operated,
>
> great people, great service, but like Mac users, you have to be a
>
> sold-out Newell Kool-aid drinker to get the most out of your
>
> coach. Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@ .
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ ...: jehdds@: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:48:27
>
> +0000Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Serious question
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > As some of you may know I am looking to move up from my 1973 FC to
>
> something a little newer. I am actively looking at PT's SP's and a
>
> very nice Newell coach. My concern is my relationship to the BB
>
> fraternity of owners if on the off chance I would buy a Newell
>
> coach ? And I haven't seen the coach as yet so I can't say how
>
> serious I am about the Newell but I would hate to be "tossed out"
>
> or "unwelcome" in the BB community. I am serious. I hold this group
>
> and the friends I have made in such regard that I would likely factor
>
> out the Newell and not consider it at all if I was to be
>
> excommunicated from the BB group functions. How's this handled and
>
> what should I expect? This is a little premature but I want to know
>
> so that I factor it into my decision making about what I would buy.
>
> John Heckmancentral Pa 1973 FC at
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
> > You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC.
>
> > http://clk.atdmt. com/MRT/go/ 115298556/ direct/01/
>
> >
>

Serious question - Troy Tikalsky - 11-11-2008 16:15


Just curious what year and model Newell you owned Kurt?
I find more commonalities between Newell and Blue Bird so please elaborate why you believe they are so different?
A few of the commonalties and differences :
Common :
Detroit Motors (8V92 in mine)
Allison Transmission
Rockwell rear axle
Ridewell suspension
Firestone air bags?
Bendix Cruise
Alcoa wheels
Koni Shocks
Perkins/Kohler generator
Teleflex gauges
PMMI clocks and musical horn
Kool Matic
Dometic A/C
Appliances are common to RV industry (Norcold, Dometic.......)
I believe the cabinets are made by Newell and Blue Bird.
Differences :
Exterior Skin : alum on Newell
Substructure : alum on Newell
I won't deny the Newell forum has fewer posting/posters but I believe that may be because my 86 Newell coach has half the complexity as my 83 FC and is 100% easier to work on (systems not nearly as compacted into small areas).
As for support, many of the people on this forum have offered help whenever requested.
Troy Tikalsky
1986 Newell
Waconia, MN
----- Original Message -----
From: "madrone1@hughes.net"
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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Serious question




I am just a wannabee but I did read recently an announcement in a trade magazine that last year Newell produced more high end coaches than any other manufacturer and didn't Bluebird produce only one!
Steve
Wannabee

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Kurt Horvath <"kguns@hughes.net"> wrote:

John,

Newell is a fine coach, but it's like bringing a Mustang to a
Corvette rally. Not much in common.

If you think working on a bird is tough, don't buy a Newell. You
won't find support like you will here

Stay with us, with a little persistance you can get an awful lot of
Bluebird for the money today.

Kurt Horvath
95 PT 42
10AC


--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "bubblerboy64"
wrote:
>
> As some of you may know I am looking to move up from my 1973 FC to
> something a little newer. I am actively looking at PT's SP's and
a
> very nice Newell coach. My concern is my relationship to the BB
> fraternity of owners if on the off chance I would buy a Newell
coach ?
> And I haven't seen the coach as yet so I can't say how serious I am
> about the Newell but I would hate to be "tossed out" or "unwelcome"
in
> the BB community. I am serious. I hold this group and the friends
I
> have made in such regard that I would likely factor out the Newell
and
> not consider it at all if I was to be excommunicated from the BB
group
> functions. How's this handled and what should I expect? This is a
> little premature but I want to know so that I factor it into my
> decision making about what I would buy.
>
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973 FC at
>



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Serious question - Troy Tikalsky - 11-11-2008 16:50


John,
As a former Blue Bird owner, I'll share my experience. Driving differences, the Newell drives like a corvetteand rides like a caddy, great acceleration, cornering and handling with a smooth quiet ride. I've learned to watch the speed and monitor the gauges for systems status. The Newell is much simpler and systems are not nearly as compact, I can sit inside the engine compartment with the access doors closed, the plumbing systems are all run in the storage bays and easy to access. Both coaches had a split copper line that was not winterized properly, the line in the Newell was in the storage bay and fixed in 1 hour, the Wanderlodge line was behind the kitchen cabinets and required removal of the center furnace and much conditioning and time to fix. The Wanderlodge relies on heat tape to prevent plumbing lines from freezing, the Newell has electric, propane and hydronic heated bays that keep the lines from freezing.
My experience with Truck and Bus shops is similar for both Newell and Blue Bird, RV shops are clueless on either coach.
As for maintenancethe Newellhas fewer 'gadgets'andtherefore less points of failure. Both require annual maintenance and my Newell has fewer lube points and no hidden filters, in fact all filters are in the engine bay. The Newell is much easier to access,maintain and repair.
With that said the Wanderlodge is good coach but it is more compact and complex than the Newell. The Newell is simple and fun to drive.
I would not be afraid of either brand.
Troy Tikalsky
1986 Newell 40' Wide Body
(1983 FC33SB)
----- Original Message -----
From: "bbartonwx@hotmail.com"
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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Serious question


John,
As a former Newell owner, I'll give you a little of my experience. If you have trouble on the road, the easiest, most universal coaches to be fixed on route are Marathon, MCI and Prevost because they have so much in common with trucks and OTR buses. Blue Bird is probably next with identifiable components youcan often replace on the road. Newell is more of a proprietary coach. If you have a mechanic with experience with Newell coaches, you're fine at home. On the road, I learned the hard way that most truck, bus and RV shops are clueless. Just the air-leveling system onthe Newell had three different air tanks, automatic road, automatic park and manual park leveling controls with I don't know how many valves. I got the last Bendix air cruise control sending unit and the last air bags for that model. Air operated doors, different suspension, different water and climate control systems, they're all different from jsut about everyone elses'. They're generally high-quality components, but I think Blue Bird on average has the edge on interior fit, finish, materials and quality.In my opinion, Newell's ease of handling and drivability was superior to bothBlue Birds I have owned.
If you can make a pilgrimage to Miami, Oklahoma once a year for regular maintenance, you could solve a lot of problems before they happen from filters, lubed hidden parts, etc. The guys who remember making your Newell would probably be the ones working on it. They have a nice overnight park. They'll even let you borrow a car to go into town. Last I knew, they were still family-owned and operated, great people, great service, but like Mac users, you have to be a sold-out Newell Kool-aid drinker to get the most out of your coach.

BradBarton00LXiDFW bbartonwx@hotmail.com




To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: jehdds@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:48:27 +0000
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Serious question



As some of you may know I am looking to move up from my 1973 FC to
something a little newer. I am actively looking at PT's SP's and a
very nice Newell coach. My concern is my relationship to the BB
fraternity of owners if on the off chance I would buy a Newell coach ?
And I haven't seen the coach as yet so I can't say how serious I am
about the Newell but I would hate to be "tossed out" or "unwelcome" in
the BB community. I am serious. I hold this group and the friends I
have made in such regard that I would likely factor out the Newell and
not consider it at all if I was to be excommunicated from the BB group
functions. How's this handled and what should I expect? This is a
little premature but I want to know so that I factor it into my
decision making about what I would buy.

John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC at




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