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GFI Faults and interior light replacemts - Stephen Birtles - 01-05-2009 10:53

\the ballasts do not run hot
Stephen
dupreeproducts.com



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GARY MINKER
wrote:
>
> Doublesided tape on a balast could be a fire hazard if the balast
runs hot. Tempting as it may be, I would use screws.
>
> --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Hugh Turner wrote:
>
> From: Hugh Turner
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior light replacemts
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:10 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "jcpryn"
wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Helping a friend with his BB 84fc35' and out of the blue he started
>
> getting immediate ground faults. We shut off all of the breakers and
>
> still getting the fault. plugged the cord in by it's self and no
>
> faults, but as soon as it's plugged into the BB the GFI trips.
>
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
> thanks
>
> John
>
>
>
> John
>
> Last year on a trip to MS 110vac worked fine on genset. When I got to
>
> campground as soon as I plugged into their 50 amp shore power I got a
>
> hot to neutral short did the simple things first. 1. Had campground
>
> check their side 2. went through some of the checks you did 3. took
>
> out the connection box to check it ok 4. called plant for help. When I
>
> described the problem Jessie told me they had problems on the PT with
>
> water and other stuff getting on the contacts The had a repair the did
>
> to correct the problem told me he lets parts know I may need a switch
>
> ($800 est). After aboout a 1/2 a day in MS in August I finally of
>
> removing seat, carpeting and all the other stuff on top or around the
>
> access plate was able to get the switch out. Once it was out the
>
> safetline module was the of the problem it had shorted. I removed it
>
> have not had any problems since, just make sure you have a way
>
> (checklist, bright color cord, remove before flight streamer etc) to
>
> remind you that you are on shore power before you pull out taking the
>
> park power system with you. The red and yellow light are not the ones
>
> I am talking about they get their input from the module I am talking
>
> about. I do not know where is located it the FC itthe one you rotate
>
> to select the input voltage good luck hope this works
>
>
>
> Hugh Turner
>
> 84 PT 40
>

GFI Faults and interior light replacemts - timvasqz - 01-05-2009 13:12

Steve, what does a ballast do?
GregoryO'Connor ofTim&Greg
94ptCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
wrote:
>
> \the ballasts do not run hot
> Stephen
> dupreeproducts.com
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GARY MINKER
> wrote:
> >
> > Doublesided tape on a balast could be a fire hazard if the balast
> runs hot. Tempting as it may be, I would use screws.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Hugh Turner wrote:
> >
> > From: Hugh Turner
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior light
replacemts
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:10 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "jcpryn"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > Helping a friend with his BB 84fc35' and out of the blue he
started
> >
> > getting immediate ground faults. We shut off all of the
breakers and
> >
> > still getting the fault. plugged the cord in by it's self and
no
> >
> > faults, but as soon as it's plugged into the BB the GFI trips.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > Last year on a trip to MS 110vac worked fine on genset. When I
got to
> >
> > campground as soon as I plugged into their 50 amp shore power I
got a
> >
> > hot to neutral short did the simple things first. 1. Had
campground
> >
> > check their side 2. went through some of the checks you did 3.
took
> >
> > out the connection box to check it ok 4. called plant for help.
When I
> >
> > described the problem Jessie told me they had problems on the PT
with
> >
> > water and other stuff getting on the contacts The had a repair
the did
> >
> > to correct the problem told me he lets parts know I may need a
switch
> >
> > ($800 est). After aboout a 1/2 a day in MS in August I finally of
> >
> > removing seat, carpeting and all the other stuff on top or
around the
> >
> > access plate was able to get the switch out. Once it was out the
> >
> > safetline module was the of the problem it had shorted. I
removed it
> >
> > have not had any problems since, just make sure you have a way
> >
> > (checklist, bright color cord, remove before flight streamer
etc) to
> >
> > remind you that you are on shore power before you pull out
taking the
> >
> > park power system with you. The red and yellow light are not the
ones
> >
> > I am talking about they get their input from the module I am
talking
> >
> > about. I do not know where is located it the FC itthe one you
rotate
> >
> > to select the input voltage good luck hope this works
> >
> >
> >
> > Hugh Turner
> >
> > 84 PT 40
> >
>

GFI Faults and interior light replacemts - Stephen Birtles - 01-05-2009 13:33

it makes your lights light
or balances your ship


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
>
> Steve, what does a ballast do?
> GregoryO'Connor ofTim&Greg
> 94ptCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> wrote:
> >
> > \the ballasts do not run hot
> > Stephen
> > dupreeproducts.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GARY MINKER
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Doublesided tape on a balast could be a fire hazard if the balast
> > runs hot. Tempting as it may be, I would use screws.
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Hugh Turner wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Hugh Turner
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior light
> replacemts
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:10 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "jcpryn"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Helping a friend with his BB 84fc35' and out of the blue he
> started
> > >
> > > getting immediate ground faults. We shut off all of the
> breakers and
> > >
> > > still getting the fault. plugged the cord in by it's self and
> no
> > >
> > > faults, but as soon as it's plugged into the BB the GFI trips.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > Last year on a trip to MS 110vac worked fine on genset. When I
> got to
> > >
> > > campground as soon as I plugged into their 50 amp shore power I
> got a
> > >
> > > hot to neutral short did the simple things first. 1. Had
> campground
> > >
> > > check their side 2. went through some of the checks you did 3.
> took
> > >
> > > out the connection box to check it ok 4. called plant for help.
> When I
> > >
> > > described the problem Jessie told me they had problems on the PT
> with
> > >
> > > water and other stuff getting on the contacts The had a repair
> the did
> > >
> > > to correct the problem told me he lets parts know I may need a
> switch
> > >
> > > ($800 est). After aboout a 1/2 a day in MS in August I finally of
> > >
> > > removing seat, carpeting and all the other stuff on top or
> around the
> > >
> > > access plate was able to get the switch out. Once it was out the
> > >
> > > safetline module was the of the problem it had shorted. I
> removed it
> > >
> > > have not had any problems since, just make sure you have a way
> > >
> > > (checklist, bright color cord, remove before flight streamer
> etc) to
> > >
> > > remind you that you are on shore power before you pull out
> taking the
> > >
> > > park power system with you. The red and yellow light are not the
> ones
> > >
> > > I am talking about they get their input from the module I am
> talking
> > >
> > > about. I do not know where is located it the FC itthe one you
> rotate
> > >
> > > to select the input voltage good luck hope this works
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hugh Turner
> > >
> > > 84 PT 40
> > >
> >
>

GFI Faults and interior light replacemts - Ron Thompson - 01-05-2009 14:04

JUst my 1 cent worth.

A ballast sits in parallel with the gas in the flourescent tubes. It has a much lower resistance than the unlit gas in the tube so when the switch is turned on there is a current flow through the ballast which is basically an auto transformer causing a high voltage spike which ignites the gas in the flourescent tube. The resistance through the gas is now much much lower than the resistance of the ballast and current flow in the ballast is basically shorted through the tubes. I think that is the right analysis.


Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx.

1995 WLWB 42'

(cockyfox@...)

--- On Mon, 1/5/09, Stephen Birtles wrote:
From: Stephen Birtles
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior light replacemts
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 7:33 PM



it makes your lights light

or balances your ship



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "timvasqz" wrote:

>

> Steve, what does a ballast do?

> GregoryO'Connor ofTim&Greg

> 94ptCa

>

> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Stephen Birtles"

> wrote:

> >

> > \the ballasts do not run hot

> > Stephen

> > dupreeproducts. com

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", GARY MINKER

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Doublesided tape on a balast could be a fire hazard if the balast

> > runs hot. Tempting as it may be, I would use screws.

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Hugh Turner wrote:

> > >

> > > From: Hugh Turner

> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior light

> replacemts

> > > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> > > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:10 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "jcpryn"

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Helping a friend with his BB 84fc35' and out of the blue he

> started

> > >

> > > getting immediate ground faults. We shut off all of the

> breakers and

> > >

> > > still getting the fault. plugged the cord in by it's self and

> no

> > >

> > > faults, but as soon as it's plugged into the BB the GFI trips.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Any ideas?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > John

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > John

> > >

> > > Last year on a trip to MS 110vac worked fine on genset. When I

> got to

> > >

> > > campground as soon as I plugged into their 50 amp shore power I

> got a

> > >

> > > hot to neutral short did the simple things first. 1. Had

> campground

> > >

> > > check their side 2. went through some of the checks you did 3.

> took

> > >

> > > out the connection box to check it ok 4. called plant for help.

> When I

> > >

> > > described the problem Jessie told me they had problems on the PT

> with

> > >

> > > water and other stuff getting on the contacts The had a repair

> the did

> > >

> > > to correct the problem told me he lets parts know I may need a

> switch

> > >

> > > ($800 est). After aboout a 1/2 a day in MS in August I finally of

> > >

> > > removing seat, carpeting and all the other stuff on top or

> around the

> > >

> > > access plate was able to get the switch out. Once it was out the

> > >

> > > safetline module was the of the problem it had shorted. I

> removed it

> > >

> > > have not had any problems since, just make sure you have a way

> > >

> > > (checklist, bright color cord, remove before flight streamer

> etc) to

> > >

> > > remind you that you are on shore power before you pull out

> taking the

> > >

> > > park power system with you. The red and yellow light are not the

> ones

> > >

> > > I am talking about they get their input from the module I am

> talking

> > >

> > > about. I do not know where is located it the FC itthe one you

> rotate

> > >

> > > to select the input voltage good luck hope this works

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hugh Turner

> > >

> > > 84 PT 40

> > >

> >

>





GFI Faults and interior light replacemts - timvasqz - 01-05-2009 14:04

Curious why folks use you for balast purchase. is it unique to a
12v light over the 110v fluorescent light of a typical home
appliance. My assumption is the Wanderlodge fluorescent light are
12v???? never had an issue or so I think they would not get brighter
by replacing one. I did notice that DickH had brighter F lights at
Q'08. I also wondered if the balast control amperage would a
balast choice be used to balance the juice to control motor speed or
light intensity inplace of a power hog rehostat?


Gregory ofTim&Greg

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
wrote:
>
> it makes your lights light
> or balances your ship
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
> >
> > Steve, what does a ballast do?
> > GregoryO'Connor ofTim&Greg
> > 94ptCa
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > \the ballasts do not run hot
> > > Stephen
> > > dupreeproducts.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GARY MINKER

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Doublesided tape on a balast could be a fire hazard if the
balast
> > > runs hot. Tempting as it may be, I would use screws.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Hugh Turner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Hugh Turner
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior
light
> > replacemts
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:10 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups.
com, "jcpryn"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Helping a friend with his BB 84fc35' and out of the blue he
> > started
> > > >
> > > > getting immediate ground faults. We shut off all of the
> > breakers and
> > > >
> > > > still getting the fault. plugged the cord in by it's self
and
> > no
> > > >
> > > > faults, but as soon as it's plugged into the BB the GFI
trips.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > Last year on a trip to MS 110vac worked fine on genset.
When I
> > got to
> > > >
> > > > campground as soon as I plugged into their 50 amp shore
power I
> > got a
> > > >
> > > > hot to neutral short did the simple things first. 1. Had
> > campground
> > > >
> > > > check their side 2. went through some of the checks you did
3.
> > took
> > > >
> > > > out the connection box to check it ok 4. called plant for
help.
> > When I
> > > >
> > > > described the problem Jessie told me they had problems on
the PT
> > with
> > > >
> > > > water and other stuff getting on the contacts The had a
repair
> > the did
> > > >
> > > > to correct the problem told me he lets parts know I may need
a
> > switch
> > > >
> > > > ($800 est). After aboout a 1/2 a day in MS in August I
finally of
> > > >
> > > > removing seat, carpeting and all the other stuff on top or
> > around the
> > > >
> > > > access plate was able to get the switch out. Once it was out
the
> > > >
> > > > safetline module was the of the problem it had shorted. I
> > removed it
> > > >
> > > > have not had any problems since, just make sure you have a
way
> > > >
> > > > (checklist, bright color cord, remove before flight streamer
> > etc) to
> > > >
> > > > remind you that you are on shore power before you pull out
> > taking the
> > > >
> > > > park power system with you. The red and yellow light are not
the
> > ones
> > > >
> > > > I am talking about they get their input from the module I am
> > talking
> > > >
> > > > about. I do not know where is located it the FC itthe one
you
> > rotate
> > > >
> > > > to select the input voltage good luck hope this works
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hugh Turner
> > > >
> > > > 84 PT 40
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

GFI Faults and interior light replacemts - Ron Thompson - 01-05-2009 14:08

Ballasts can run hot if the resistance through the tubes increases to a level to cause constant current flow in the ballast. I just replace 18 ballasts in a building I own because they were either burned out or about to burn out. It didn't help having the hot temperatures we have down here in Texas either.

Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx.

1995 WLWB 42'

(cockyfox@...)

--- On Mon, 1/5/09, timvasqz wrote:
From: timvasqz Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior light replacemts
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 8:04 PM



Curious why folks use you for balast purchase. is it unique to a

12v light over the 110v fluorescent light of a typical home

appliance. My assumption is the Wanderlodge fluorescent light are

12v???? never had an issue or so I think they would not get brighter

by replacing one. I did notice that DickH had brighter F lights at

Q'08. I also wondered if the balast control amperage would a

balast choice be used to balance the juice to control motor speed or

light intensity inplace of a power hog rehostat?



Gregory ofTim&Greg



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Stephen Birtles"

wrote:

>

> it makes your lights light

> or balances your ship

>

>

> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "timvasqz"
wrote:

> >

> > Steve, what does a ballast do?

> > GregoryO'Connor ofTim&Greg

> > 94ptCa

> >

> > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Stephen Birtles"

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > \the ballasts do not run hot

> > > Stephen

> > > dupreeproducts. com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", GARY MINKER



> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Doublesided tape on a balast could be a fire hazard if the

balast

> > > runs hot. Tempting as it may be, I would use screws.

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Hugh Turner wrote:

> > > >

> > > > From: Hugh Turner

> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior

light

> > replacemts

> > > > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> > > > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:10 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups.

com, "jcpryn"

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Helping a friend with his BB 84fc35' and out of the blue he

> > started

> > > >

> > > > getting immediate ground faults. We shut off all of the

> > breakers and

> > > >

> > > > still getting the fault. plugged the cord in by it's self

and

> > no

> > > >

> > > > faults, but as soon as it's plugged into the BB the GFI

trips.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Any ideas?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > >

> > > > John

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > John

> > > >

> > > > Last year on a trip to MS 110vac worked fine on genset.

When I

> > got to

> > > >

> > > > campground as soon as I plugged into their 50 amp shore

power I

> > got a

> > > >

> > > > hot to neutral short did the simple things first. 1. Had

> > campground

> > > >

> > > > check their side 2. went through some of the checks you did

3.

> > took

> > > >

> > > > out the connection box to check it ok 4. called plant for

help.

> > When I

> > > >

> > > > described the problem Jessie told me they had problems on

the PT

> > with

> > > >

> > > > water and other stuff getting on the contacts The had a

repair

> > the did

> > > >

> > > > to correct the problem told me he lets parts know I may need

a

> > switch

> > > >

> > > > ($800 est). After aboout a 1/2 a day in MS in August I

finally of

> > > >

> > > > removing seat, carpeting and all the other stuff on top or

> > around the

> > > >

> > > > access plate was able to get the switch out. Once it was out

the

> > > >

> > > > safetline module was the of the problem it had shorted. I

> > removed it

> > > >

> > > > have not had any problems since, just make sure you have a

way

> > > >

> > > > (checklist, bright color cord, remove before flight streamer

> > etc) to

> > > >

> > > > remind you that you are on shore power before you pull out

> > taking the

> > > >

> > > > park power system with you. The red and yellow light are not

the

> > ones

> > > >

> > > > I am talking about they get their input from the module I am

> > talking

> > > >

> > > > about. I do not know where is located it the FC itthe one

you

> > rotate

> > > >

> > > > to select the input voltage good luck hope this works

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hugh Turner

> > > >

> > > > 84 PT 40

> > > >

> > >

> >

>





GFI Faults and interior light replacemts - timvasqz - 01-05-2009 14:59

Ron, I looked it upand like you say there is more to it then the one Steve sells for the Wanderlodge 12volters and boat leveling devices. heat may be an issue with the 120V of your building but may not be an issue with the 12V ballast?????? Seems that Ballast is not a defined device but has a defined function . some are a bunch of resisters and others asolid state setups to provide a output that is constant and defined???????



I'm with you that if it was screwed onby the engineers, I'd leave that attachment method for repair. proof of the failure of a design change could be costly.



GregoryO'Connor ofTim&Greg 94ptCa






--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ron Thompson wrote:
>
> Ballasts can run hot if the resistance through the tubes increases to a level to cause constant current flow in the ballast. I just replace 18 ballasts in a building I own because they were either burned out or about to burn out. It didn't help having the hot temperatures we have down here in Texas either.
>
> Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx.
>
> 1995 WLWB 42'
>
> (cockyfox@...)
>
> --- On Mon, 1/5/09, timvasqz Petrover1@... wrote:
> From: timvasqz Petrover1@...
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior light replacemts
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 8:04 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Curious why folks use you for balast purchase. is it unique to a
>
> 12v light over the 110v fluorescent light of a typical home
>
> appliance. My assumption is the Wanderlodge fluorescent light are
>
> 12v???? never had an issue or so I think they would not get brighter
>
> by replacing one. I did notice that DickH had brighter F lights at
>
> Q'08. I also wondered if the balast control amperage would a
>
> balast choice be used to balance the juice to control motor speed or
>
> light intensity inplace of a power hog rehostat?
>
>
>
> Gregory ofTim&Greg
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Stephen Birtles"
>
> cape0001@ .> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > it makes your lights light
>
> > or balances your ship
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "timvasqz" >
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Steve, what does a ballast do?
>
> > > GregoryO'Connor ofTim&Greg
>
> > > 94ptCa
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Stephen Birtles"
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > \the ballasts do not run hot
>
> > > > Stephen
>
> > > > dupreeproducts. com
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, GARY MINKER
>
>
>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Doublesided tape on a balast could be a fire hazard if the
>
> balast
>
> > > > runs hot. Tempting as it may be, I would use screws.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Hugh Turner wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > From: Hugh Turner
>
> > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior
>
> light
>
> > > replacemts
>
> > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > > > > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:10 AM
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups.
>
> com, "jcpryn"
>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Hello,
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Helping a friend with his BB 84fc35' and out of the blue he
>
> > > started
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > getting immediate ground faults. We shut off all of the
>
> > > breakers and
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > still getting the fault. plugged the cord in by it's self
>
> and
>
> > > no
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > faults, but as soon as it's plugged into the BB the GFI
>
> trips.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Any ideas?
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > thanks
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > John
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > John
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Last year on a trip to MS 110vac worked fine on genset.
>
> When I
>
> > > got to
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > campground as soon as I plugged into their 50 amp shore
>
> power I
>
> > > got a
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > hot to neutral short did the simple things first. 1. Had
>
> > > campground
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > check their side 2. went through some of the checks you did
>
> 3.
>
> > > took
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > out the connection box to check it ok 4. called plant for
>
> help.
>
> > > When I
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > described the problem Jessie told me they had problems on
>
> the PT
>
> > > with
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > water and other stuff getting on the contacts The had a
>
> repair
>
> > > the did
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > to correct the problem told me he lets parts know I may need
>
> a
>
> > > switch
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > ($800 est). After aboout a 1/2 a day in MS in August I
>
> finally of
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > removing seat, carpeting and all the other stuff on top or
>
> > > around the
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > access plate was able to get the switch out. Once it was out
>
> the
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > safetline module was the of the problem it had shorted. I
>
> > > removed it
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > have not had any problems since, just make sure you have a
>
> way
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > (checklist, bright color cord, remove before flight streamer
>
> > > etc) to
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > remind you that you are on shore power before you pull out
>
> > > taking the
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > park power system with you. The red and yellow light are not
>
> the
>
> > > ones
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > I am talking about they get their input from the module I am
>
> > > talking
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > about. I do not know where is located it the FC itthe one
>
> you
>
> > > rotate
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > to select the input voltage good luck hope this works
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Hugh Turner
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > 84 PT 40
>
> > > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>



GFI Faults and interior light replacemts - Don Bradner - 01-05-2009 15:05

Definitely 12 volt ballasts are different from 110 volt ballasts.

The issue here, though, is two different types of ballasts, "magnetic" vs
electronic. I've never looked at my ballasts, but given their age I expect they
are magnetic (coil transformers involved). That type is about 70% efficient,
with the other 30% being generated as heat.

Electronic ballasts like Stephen sells are typically around 95% efficient, with
5% lost as heat.

I converted my retail store from magnetic to electronic a number of years ago -
lower heat, lower total power use, and no more dangerous smoking ballasts!

On 1/6/2009 at 2:04 AM timvasqz wrote:

>Curious why folks use you for balast purchase. is it unique to a
>12v light over the 110v fluorescent light of a typical home
>appliance. My assumption is the Wanderlodge fluorescent light are
>12v???? never had an issue or so I think they would not get brighter
>by replacing one. I did notice that DickH had brighter F lights at
>Q'08. I also wondered if the balast control amperage would a
>balast choice be used to balance the juice to control motor speed or
>light intensity inplace of a power hog rehostat?
>
>
>Gregory ofTim&Greg
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> wrote:
>>
>> it makes your lights light
>> or balances your ship
>>
>>
>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" >wrote:
>> >
>> > Steve, what does a ballast do?
>> > GregoryO'Connor ofTim&Greg
>> > 94ptCa
>> >
>> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > \the ballasts do not run hot
>> > > Stephen
>> > > dupreeproducts.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GARY MINKER
>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Doublesided tape on a balast could be a fire hazard if the
>balast
>> > > runs hot. Tempting as it may be, I would use screws.
>> > > >
>> > > > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Hugh Turner wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > From: Hugh Turner
>> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior
>light
>> > replacemts
>> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>> > > > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:10 AM
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups.
>com, "jcpryn"
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hello,
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Helping a friend with his BB 84fc35' and out of the blue he
>> > started
>> > > >
>> > > > getting immediate ground faults. We shut off all of the
>> > breakers and
>> > > >
>> > > > still getting the fault. plugged the cord in by it's self
>and
>> > no
>> > > >
>> > > > faults, but as soon as it's plugged into the BB the GFI
>trips.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Any ideas?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > thanks
>> > > >
>> > > > John
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > John
>> > > >
>> > > > Last year on a trip to MS 110vac worked fine on genset.
>When I
>> > got to
>> > > >
>> > > > campground as soon as I plugged into their 50 amp shore
>power I
>> > got a
>> > > >
>> > > > hot to neutral short did the simple things first. 1. Had
>> > campground
>> > > >
>> > > > check their side 2. went through some of the checks you did
>3.
>> > took
>> > > >
>> > > > out the connection box to check it ok 4. called plant for
>help.
>> > When I
>> > > >
>> > > > described the problem Jessie told me they had problems on
>the PT
>> > with
>> > > >
>> > > > water and other stuff getting on the contacts The had a
>repair
>> > the did
>> > > >
>> > > > to correct the problem told me he lets parts know I may need
>a
>> > switch
>> > > >
>> > > > ($800 est). After aboout a 1/2 a day in MS in August I
>finally of
>> > > >
>> > > > removing seat, carpeting and all the other stuff on top or
>> > around the
>> > > >
>> > > > access plate was able to get the switch out. Once it was out
>the
>> > > >
>> > > > safetline module was the of the problem it had shorted. I
>> > removed it
>> > > >
>> > > > have not had any problems since, just make sure you have a
>way
>> > > >
>> > > > (checklist, bright color cord, remove before flight streamer
>> > etc) to
>> > > >
>> > > > remind you that you are on shore power before you pull out
>> > taking the
>> > > >
>> > > > park power system with you. The red and yellow light are not
>the
>> > ones
>> > > >
>> > > > I am talking about they get their input from the module I am
>> > talking
>> > > >
>> > > > about. I do not know where is located it the FC itthe one
>you
>> > rotate
>> > > >
>> > > > to select the input voltage good luck hope this works
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hugh Turner
>> > > >
>> > > > 84 PT 40
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

GFI Faults and interior light replacemts - freewill2008 - 01-05-2009 16:21

110 AC ballasts have only one job to do: Place a coil (some
inductance) across the leads to the tube. This offsets the
capacative nature of the tube and lets it draw enuf AC power to light
up. Modern solid-state ballasts immitate the coil but more
efficiently.

The 12 volt "ballast" is more than a ballast. Each one is also an
inverter. 12 volts is first converted to 100+ volts and then fed to
the tube while simulating the effect of the coil as with a 110
ballast.

I replaced about half the ballasts in our 84FC with units supplied by
Stephen 5 years ago. The fixtures have worked fine since.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
wrote:
>
> Definitely 12 volt ballasts are different from 110 volt ballasts.
>
> The issue here, though, is two different types of
ballasts, "magnetic" vs electronic. I've never looked at my ballasts,
but given their age I expect they are magnetic (coil transformers
involved). That type is about 70% efficient, with the other 30% being
generated as heat.
>
> Electronic ballasts like Stephen sells are typically around 95%
efficient, with 5% lost as heat.
>
> I converted my retail store from magnetic to electronic a number of
years ago - lower heat, lower total power use, and no more dangerous
smoking ballasts!
>
> On 1/6/2009 at 2:04 AM timvasqz wrote:
>
> >Curious why folks use you for balast purchase. is it unique to a
> >12v light over the 110v fluorescent light of a typical home
> >appliance. My assumption is the Wanderlodge fluorescent light are
> >12v???? never had an issue or so I think they would not get
brighter
> >by replacing one. I did notice that DickH had brighter F lights at
> >Q'08. I also wondered if the balast control amperage would a
> >balast choice be used to balance the juice to control motor speed
or
> >light intensity inplace of a power hog rehostat?
> >
> >
> >Gregory ofTim&Greg
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> it makes your lights light
> >> or balances your ship
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" > >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Steve, what does a ballast do?
> >> > GregoryO'Connor ofTim&Greg
> >> > 94ptCa
> >> >
> >> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > \the ballasts do not run hot
> >> > > Stephen
> >> > > dupreeproducts.com
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GARY MINKER
> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Doublesided tape on a balast could be a fire hazard if the
> >balast
> >> > > runs hot. Tempting as it may be, I would use screws.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Hugh Turner wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > From: Hugh Turner
> >> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior
> >light
> >> > replacemts
> >> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >> > > > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:10 AM
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups.
> >com, "jcpryn"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hello,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Helping a friend with his BB 84fc35' and out of the blue
he
> >> > started
> >> > > >
> >> > > > getting immediate ground faults. We shut off all of the
> >> > breakers and
> >> > > >
> >> > > > still getting the fault. plugged the cord in by it's
self
> >and
> >> > no
> >> > > >
> >> > > > faults, but as soon as it's plugged into the BB the GFI
> >trips.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Any ideas?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > thanks
> >> > > >
> >> > > > John
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > John
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Last year on a trip to MS 110vac worked fine on genset.
> >When I
> >> > got to
> >> > > >
> >> > > > campground as soon as I plugged into their 50 amp shore
> >power I
> >> > got a
> >> > > >
> >> > > > hot to neutral short did the simple things first. 1. Had
> >> > campground
> >> > > >
> >> > > > check their side 2. went through some of the checks you
did
> >3.
> >> > took
> >> > > >
> >> > > > out the connection box to check it ok 4. called plant for
> >help.
> >> > When I
> >> > > >
> >> > > > described the problem Jessie told me they had problems on
> >the PT
> >> > with
> >> > > >
> >> > > > water and other stuff getting on the contacts The had a
> >repair
> >> > the did
> >> > > >
> >> > > > to correct the problem told me he lets parts know I may
need
> >a
> >> > switch
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ($800 est). After aboout a 1/2 a day in MS in August I
> >finally of
> >> > > >
> >> > > > removing seat, carpeting and all the other stuff on top or
> >> > around the
> >> > > >
> >> > > > access plate was able to get the switch out. Once it was
out
> >the
> >> > > >
> >> > > > safetline module was the of the problem it had shorted. I
> >> > removed it
> >> > > >
> >> > > > have not had any problems since, just make sure you have a
> >way
> >> > > >
> >> > > > (checklist, bright color cord, remove before flight
streamer
> >> > etc) to
> >> > > >
> >> > > > remind you that you are on shore power before you pull out
> >> > taking the
> >> > > >
> >> > > > park power system with you. The red and yellow light are
not
> >the
> >> > ones
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I am talking about they get their input from the module I
am
> >> > talking
> >> > > >
> >> > > > about. I do not know where is located it the FC itthe one
> >you
> >> > rotate
> >> > > >
> >> > > > to select the input voltage good luck hope this works
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hugh Turner
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 84 PT 40
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

GFI Faults and interior light replacemts - timvasqz - 01-05-2009 16:46

Bob, did they work before and now brighter and more efficient? can
you see as good under the old style as under the StephenSupplied
Ballast.

Just went out and took a look at my bus lights and I need all of
them on to see as well as my home office with 280w worth of
incandescent only.

then the term Ballast is just a reference we use inplace
of 'thingamajig', I agree it sounds more professional to use
Ballast. With the old style heat makers, mounting metal to metal
may have held the function of heat sink to cool the electronics.
with the cooler StephenStyle it may be that the tape insulate the
metal case from heating the thingamajig.

GregoryO'Connor ofTim&Greg
94ptRomolandCa


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "freewill2008"
wrote:
>
> 110 AC ballasts have only one job to do: Place a coil (some
> inductance) across the leads to the tube. This offsets the
> capacative nature of the tube and lets it draw enuf AC power to
light
> up. Modern solid-state ballasts immitate the coil but more
> efficiently.
>
> The 12 volt "ballast" is more than a ballast. Each one is also an
> inverter. 12 volts is first converted to 100+ volts and then fed
to
> the tube while simulating the effect of the coil as with a 110
> ballast.
>
> I replaced about half the ballasts in our 84FC with units supplied
by
> Stephen 5 years ago. The fixtures have worked fine since.
>
> Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
> wrote:
> >
> > Definitely 12 volt ballasts are different from 110 volt ballasts.
> >
> > The issue here, though, is two different types of
> ballasts, "magnetic" vs electronic. I've never looked at my
ballasts,
> but given their age I expect they are magnetic (coil transformers
> involved). That type is about 70% efficient, with the other 30%
being
> generated as heat.
> >
> > Electronic ballasts like Stephen sells are typically around 95%
> efficient, with 5% lost as heat.
> >
> > I converted my retail store from magnetic to electronic a number
of
> years ago - lower heat, lower total power use, and no more
dangerous
> smoking ballasts!
> >
> > On 1/6/2009 at 2:04 AM timvasqz wrote:
> >
> > >Curious why folks use you for balast purchase. is it unique to
a
> > >12v light over the 110v fluorescent light of a typical home
> > >appliance. My assumption is the Wanderlodge fluorescent light
are
> > >12v???? never had an issue or so I think they would not get
> brighter
> > >by replacing one. I did notice that DickH had brighter F lights
at
> > >Q'08. I also wondered if the balast control amperage would a
> > >balast choice be used to balance the juice to control motor
speed
> or
> > >light intensity inplace of a power hog rehostat?
> > >
> > >
> > >Gregory ofTim&Greg
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> it makes your lights light
> > >> or balances your ship
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz"
> > >wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Steve, what does a ballast do?
> > >> > GregoryO'Connor ofTim&Greg
> > >> > 94ptCa
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > \the ballasts do not run hot
> > >> > > Stephen
> > >> > > dupreeproducts.com
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GARY MINKER
> > >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Doublesided tape on a balast could be a fire hazard if
the
> > >balast
> > >> > > runs hot. Tempting as it may be, I would use screws.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Hugh Turner wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > From: Hugh Turner
> > >> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: GFI Faults and interior
> > >light
> > >> > replacemts
> > >> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > >> > > > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 6:10 AM
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> > >> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups.
> > >com, "jcpryn"
> > >> > > wrote:
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> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Hello,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Helping a friend with his BB 84fc35' and out of the
blue
> he
> > >> > started
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > getting immediate ground faults. We shut off all of
the
> > >> > breakers and
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > still getting the fault. plugged the cord in by it's
> self
> > >and
> > >> > no
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > faults, but as soon as it's plugged into the BB the
GFI
> > >trips.
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> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Any ideas?
> > >> > > >
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> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > thanks
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > John
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > John
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Last year on a trip to MS 110vac worked fine on
genset.
> > >When I
> > >> > got to
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > campground as soon as I plugged into their 50 amp shore
> > >power I
> > >> > got a
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > hot to neutral short did the simple things first. 1.
Had
> > >> > campground
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > check their side 2. went through some of the checks you
> did
> > >3.
> > >> > took
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > out the connection box to check it ok 4. called plant
for
> > >help.
> > >> > When I
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > described the problem Jessie told me they had problems
on
> > >the PT
> > >> > with
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > water and other stuff getting on the contacts The had a
> > >repair
> > >> > the did
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > to correct the problem told me he lets parts know I may
> need
> > >a
> > >> > switch
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > ($800 est). After aboout a 1/2 a day in MS in August I
> > >finally of
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > removing seat, carpeting and all the other stuff on top
or
> > >> > around the
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > access plate was able to get the switch out. Once it
was
> out
> > >the
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > safetline module was the of the problem it had
shorted. I
> > >> > removed it
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > have not had any problems since, just make sure you
have a
> > >way
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > (checklist, bright color cord, remove before flight
> streamer
> > >> > etc) to
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > remind you that you are on shore power before you pull
out
> > >> > taking the
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > park power system with you. The red and yellow light
are
> not
> > >the
> > >> > ones
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I am talking about they get their input from the module
I
> am
> > >> > talking
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > about. I do not know where is located it the FC itthe
one
> > >you
> > >> > rotate
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > to select the input voltage good luck hope this works
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Hugh Turner
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > 84 PT 40
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