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6V92 Red Block - Don Bradner - 03-25-2010 08:15

It is hard to be positive on anything in terms of engine history, but I don't
think any 6V used in a BlueBird ever had electronic controls.

I think even the first 8V92s used in 1986 were mechanical, and it may not have
been until 1988 that DDEC I was applied to them. Probably only a year or so of
DDEC I before DDEC II became standard.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1

On 3/25/2010 at 9:54 AM Michael wrote:

>Ok.. "red block" vs "silver block" 6V92's. The red block is the older
>version of 6v92's. The silver version came out to fix some issues the red
>version had. The big one that I'm aware of was cooling jackets inside the
>engine. The older versions of the 6v92 were MUCH easier to get more power
>from. You can easily change out a few mechanical items and boost HP from
>stock 188 to 350.
>
>However, if you have an engine around '80-81 and newer you'll have the
>DDEC system and these are much more difficult to deal with. The issue
>with these is that you'll have trouble finding someone to reprogram the
>DDEC. When I tried here locally (Phx) no one would do it for fear of
>Governmental Environmental Agencies. Apparently they de-tuned them for
>less pollution as the 2-strokes are really bad.
>
>People will argue that increasing the HP from 188 to 350 will drastically
>decrease engine life. Well I'm sure it will reduce the life but we're
>only putting "casual" miles on these commercial units so you'll get many
>years from it even when boosting up the HP. I have ridden in an RTS City
>bus that was converted and bumped from 188 to 350. Even with its 3sp auto
>transmission it was like night & day!
>
>Michael
>63FC35 Bluebird Conversion
>78FC35 Bluebird Wanderlodge

6V92 Red Block - Dennis - 03-25-2010 10:19

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From: Rick Gunther
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:48 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 6V92 Red Block


This is a non DDEC motor, correct? In the fire service, we used to take the valve covers off and on one side (can't remember right or left)there is an oil reservoir that restricts the rack from moving too fast. It has a piston that moves in a cylinder that is full of motor oil and has a small orfice the oil must pass through and slows down the rack to keep from getting a big puff of smoke out the pipe. This will get you better throttle response but make sure Al Gore and his minions are not following you! RIck IN Ohio

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, wolfpack_guns 40@gmail.com> wrote:
From: wolfpack_guns 40@gmail.com>
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 6V92 Red Block
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 1:57 PM


I am one of the guys that owns an 82 PT-40 with the Red 92. There should be 2 files 6v92na-t_ind. pdf and 6v92ta-tta_automoti ve.pdf that maybe in the files sec on the forum.

The files pretty much tells the story on this engine. Stuff like, Max. 335BHP 957lb ft torque @ 1300 rpm. with the 9290 injectors, power goes down from here.

If you can not find the files send me an e-mail and I'll send them to you.

Just a thought, it would be nice if all us 82 PT-40 owners could get tog


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6V92 Red Block - Ernie Ekberg - 03-25-2010 10:41

I think you are correct, Don
Ernie- KOA- Strasburg, Co
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Wanderlodge
Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, Don Bradner wrote:

From: Don Bradner
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 6V92 Red Block
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 2:15 PM


It is hard to be positive on anything in terms of engine history, but I don't think any 6V used in a BlueBird ever had electronic controls.

I think even the first 8V92s used in 1986 were mechanical, and it may not have been until 1988 that DDEC I was applied to them. Probably only a year or so of DDEC I before DDEC II became standard.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
My location: http://www.bbirdmaps. com/user2. cfm?user= 1

On 3/25/2010 at 9:54 AM Michael wrote:

>Ok.. "red block" vs "silver block" 6V92's. The red block is the older
>version of 6v92's. The silver version came out to fix some issues the red
>version had. The big one that I'm aware of was cooling jackets inside the
>engine. The older versions of the 6v92 were MUCH easier to get more power
>from. You can easily change out a few mechanical items and boost HP from
>stock 188 to 350.
>
>However, if you have an
engine around '80-81 and newer you'll have the
>DDEC system and these are much more difficult to deal with. The issue
>with these is that you'll have trouble finding someone to reprogram the
>DDEC. When I tried here locally (Phx) no one would do it for fear of
>Governmental Environmental Agencies. Apparently they de-tuned them for
>less pollution as the 2-strokes are really bad.
>
>People will argue that increasing the HP from 188 to 350 will drastically
>decrease engine life. Well I'm sure it will reduce the life but we're
>only putting "casual" miles on these commercial units so you'll get many
>years from it even when boosting up the HP. I have ridden in an RTS City
>bus that was converted and bumped from 188 to 350. Even with its 3sp auto
>transmission it was like night & day!
>
>Michael
>63FC35 Bluebird Conversion
>78FC35 Bluebird
Wanderlodge



6V92 Red Block - Wayne Kotila - 03-25-2010 16:52

I had a 1985 6v92 and it was totally mechanical, I think the first generation of DDEC started in the late 80s.
Wayne Kotila
96PT42


From: Michael <mike.putz@...>
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 11:54:50 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 6V92 Red Block




Ok.. "red block" vs "silver block" 6V92's. The red block is the older version of 6v92's. The silver version came out to fix some issues the red version had. The big one that I'm aware of was cooling jackets inside the engine. The older versions of the 6v92 were MUCH easier to get more power from. You can easily change out a few mechanical items and boost HP from stock 188 to 350.
However, if you have an engine around '80-81 and newer you'll have the DDEC system and these are much more difficult to deal with. The issue with these is that you'll have trouble finding someone to reprogram the DDEC. When I tried here locally (Phx) no one would do it for fear of Governmental Environmental Agencies. Apparently they de-tuned them for less pollution as the 2-strokes are really bad.
People will argue that increasing the HP from 188 to 350 will drastically decrease engine life. Well I'm sure it will reduce the life but we're only putting "casual" miles on these commercial units so you'll get many years from it even when boosting up the HP. I have ridden in an RTS City bus that was converted and bumped from 188 to 350. Even with its 3sp auto transmission it was like night & day!
Michael
63FC35 Bluebird Conversion
78FC35 Bluebird Wanderlodge


6V92 Red Block - Curt Sprenger - 03-25-2010 17:48

I believe 1988 for the first DDEC. Our 1987 8V92 is the Mechanical version...the best one....IMO.
Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA




On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Wayne Kotila <"waynekotila@yahoo.com"> wrote:
 


I had a 1985 6v92 and it was totally mechanical, I think the first generation of DDEC started in the late 80s.
 
Wayne Kotila
96PT42


From: Michael <"mike.putz@cox.net">
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 11:54:50 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 6V92 Red Block

 



Ok.. "red block" vs "silver block" 6V92's.  The red block is the older version of 6v92's.  The silver version came out to fix some issues the red version had.  The big one that I'm aware of was cooling jackets inside the engine.  The older versions of the 6v92 were MUCH easier to get more power from.  You can easily change out a few mechanical items and boost HP from stock 188 to 350. 
 
However, if you have an engine around '80-81 and newer you'll have the DDEC system and these are much more difficult to deal with.  The issue with these is that you'll have trouble finding someone to reprogram the DDEC.  When I tried here locally (Phx) no one would do it for fear of Governmental Environmental Agencies.  Apparently they de-tuned them for less pollution as the 2-strokes are really bad. 
 
People will argue that increasing the HP from 188 to 350 will drastically decrease engine life.  Well I'm sure it will reduce the life but we're only putting "casual" miles on these commercial units so you'll get many years from it even when boosting up the HP.  I have ridden in an RTS City bus that was converted and bumped from 188 to 350.  Even with its 3sp auto transmission it was like night & day!
 
Michael
63FC35 Bluebird Conversion
78FC35 Bluebird Wanderlodge



6V92 Red Block - mbulriss - 03-26-2010 08:10

Terry,

If you scan all your blueprints as jpegs, they can be put in a 'photo' albumn.
We have 100GB of nearly unused space in the Photos section.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX