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Drop down driving lights on 89 SP 36' - Donald Spithaler - 09-01-2011 09:08
Don  I have been testing it like that & I think the key is on also. Does that sound right? The one light was on & the other was not on because the little switch that the back of the light hits when the light is down is bad.
Don Spithaler
89 SP 36'
Butler,PA
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Don Bradner <"bluethunder@arcatapet.com"> wrote:
Â
One obvious thing that wasn't mentioned: I don't think the lights are supposed to go down unless they would also be on, so the ground probably completes only when all other condtions are met. Those conditions are lights on, high-beams on, driving light switch on. Is that how you are testing?My location: www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
On 9/1/2011 at 2:52 PM Donald Spithaler wrote:
>Ralph Do you know where the ground would connected to a ground block?
>When I ground the switch for the drop down lights it seems to work. The
>green led light at the switch light when the lights come down & goes out
>when the lights close. Everything seem to work when it a ground wire
>attached. I'll look at Littlefield. Thank Don
>Don Spithaler
>89 SP 36'
>Butler, PA
>
>On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Ralph L. Fullenwider
><"rlf47%40swbell.net">wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Don, you can find the cherry or Littlefield switches at Fry's or Allied
>> Electronics or many of the on line Electronic stores.
>>
>> Safe travels,
>>
>> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
>> "84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
>> Duncan, Oklahoma
>>
>>
>> At 10:57 PM 8/31/2011 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>> >I checked a NAPA & Auto Zone today with no luck The guy at NAPA told me
>a
>> >place where I can look tomorrow. The wiring is hard to check without a
>> >complete set of drawings, I know I could do without the lights. I don't
>do
>>
>> >much night driving anyways.
>> >Don Spithaler
>> >89 SP 36'
>> >Butrler,
>> >PA
>> >the wire that activates the air solenoid.
>> >
>> >I did find, however, that the wiring was less than simple, and included
>at
>>
>> >least one diode that appeared to have failed. I think that was on a
>ground
>>
>> >wire, and essentially made it open.
>> >
>> >Don Bradner
>> >90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>> >My location:
>> ><http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1>
>> www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On 9/1/2011 at 12:21 AM DonS wrote:
>> >
>> > >I have two problems with my drop down driving lights under the front
>> > >bumper. The left light wouldn't com on & I traced it to a bad bad
>switch
>> > >that the back of the light presses against when down. It is a Cherry
>> with
>> > >no other numbers on it. Anyone know of a source of these. It has 3
>wires
>> > >on it one hot going to the switch one hot to light when the light is
>> down
>> > >& pressing the button on switch & one that is hot when light is
>> retracted.
>> > >But it is not used. The other problem is the driving light switch on
>the
>> > >side panel under the shift buttons on the left. It seem to have lost
>its
>> > >ground & will not unless drop the lights unless I run an other ground
>to
>> > >it. Any guesses where that would be grounded? thank Don
>> > >Don Spithaler
>> > >89 SP 36'
>> > >Butler, PA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >------------------------------------
>> > >
>> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>>
>>
>>
Drop down driving lights on 89 SP 36' - Donald Spithaler - 09-01-2011 09:25
Don, mine didn't light unless the high beams were on. The lights could be down but not light unless you turned the high beams on. My high beams are on the turn signal leaver on the side of the steering wheel
Don Spithaler
89 SP 36'
Butler, PA Â Â Â
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM, D E BARNES <"donn@phudpucker.com"> wrote:
Â
Don, does this mean that when I meet an oncoming vehicle and dim my lights,
that my driving light switch off and retract? I've never used them, but it
would be interesting to know these things.
Donn
On 9/1/11 3:09 PM, "Don Bradner" <"bluethunder%40arcatapet.com"> wrote:
> One obvious thing that wasn't mentioned: I don't think the lights are supposed
> to go down unless they would also be on, so the ground probably completes only
> when all other condtions are met. Those conditions are lights on, high-beams
> on, driving light switch on. Is that how you are testing?
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> My location: www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>
> On 9/1/2011 at 2:52 PM Donald Spithaler wrote:
>
>> Ralph Do you know where the ground would connected to a ground block?
>> When I ground the switch for the drop down lights it seems to work. The
>> green led light at the switch light when the lights come down & goes out
>> when the lights close. Everything seem to work when it a ground wire
>> attached. I'll look at Littlefield. Thank Don
>> Don Spithaler
>> 89 SP 36'
>> Butler, PA
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Ralph L. Fullenwider
>> <"rlf47%40swbell.net">wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Don, you can find the cherry or Littlefield switches at Fry's or Allied
>>> Electronics or many of the on line Electronic stores.
>>>
>>> Safe travels,
>>>
>>> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
>>> "84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
>>> Duncan, Oklahoma
>>>
>>>
>>> At 10:57 PM 8/31/2011 -0400, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> I checked a NAPA & Auto Zone today with no luck The guy at NAPA told me
>> a
>>>> place where I can look tomorrow. The wiring is hard to check without a
>>>> complete set of drawings, I know I could do without the lights. I don't
>> do
>>>
>>>> much night driving anyways.
>>>> Don Spithaler
>>>> 89 SP 36'
>>>> Butrler,
>>>> PA
>>>> the wire that activates the air solenoid.
>>>>
>>>> I did find, however, that the wiring was less than simple, and included
>> at
>>>
>>>> least one diode that appeared to have failed. I think that was on a
>> ground
>>>
>>>> wire, and essentially made it open.
>>>>
>>>> Don Bradner
>>>> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>>>> My location:
>>>> <http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1>
>>> www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/1/2011 at 12:21 AM DonS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have two problems with my drop down driving lights under the front
>>>>> bumper. The left light wouldn't com on & I traced it to a bad bad
>> switch
>>>>> that the back of the light presses against when down. It is a Cherry
>>> with
>>>>> no other numbers on it. Anyone know of a source of these. It has 3
>> wires
>>>>> on it one hot going to the switch one hot to light when the light is
>>> down
>>>>> & pressing the button on switch & one that is hot when light is
>>> retracted.
>>>>> But it is not used. The other problem is the driving light switch on
>> the
>>>>> side panel under the shift buttons on the left. It seem to have lost
>> its
>>>>> ground & will not unless drop the lights unless I run an other ground
>> to
>>>>> it. Any guesses where that would be grounded? thank Don
>>>>> Don Spithaler
>>>>> 89 SP 36'
>>>>> Butler, PA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Drop down driving lights on 89 SP 36' - Donald Spithaler - 09-01-2011 09:31
Don. they do not retract when the high beams are dimmed  Don
89 SP 36'
Butler' PAÂ Â Â Â
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM, D E BARNES <"donn@phudpucker.com"> wrote:
Â
Don, does this mean that when I meet an oncoming vehicle and dim my lights,
that my driving light switch off and retract? I've never used them, but it
would be interesting to know these things.
Donn
On 9/1/11 3:09 PM, "Don Bradner" <"bluethunder%40arcatapet.com"> wrote:
> One obvious thing that wasn't mentioned: I don't think the lights are supposed
> to go down unless they would also be on, so the ground probably completes only
> when all other condtions are met. Those conditions are lights on, high-beams
> on, driving light switch on. Is that how you are testing?
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> My location: www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>
> On 9/1/2011 at 2:52 PM Donald Spithaler wrote:
>
>> Ralph Do you know where the ground would connected to a ground block?
>> When I ground the switch for the drop down lights it seems to work. The
>> green led light at the switch light when the lights come down & goes out
>> when the lights close. Everything seem to work when it a ground wire
>> attached. I'll look at Littlefield. Thank Don
>> Don Spithaler
>> 89 SP 36'
>> Butler, PA
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Ralph L. Fullenwider
>> <"rlf47%40swbell.net">wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Don, you can find the cherry or Littlefield switches at Fry's or Allied
>>> Electronics or many of the on line Electronic stores.
>>>
>>> Safe travels,
>>>
>>> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
>>> "84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
>>> Duncan, Oklahoma
>>>
>>>
>>> At 10:57 PM 8/31/2011 -0400, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> I checked a NAPA & Auto Zone today with no luck The guy at NAPA told me
>> a
>>>> place where I can look tomorrow. The wiring is hard to check without a
>>>> complete set of drawings, I know I could do without the lights. I don't
>> do
>>>
>>>> much night driving anyways.
>>>> Don Spithaler
>>>> 89 SP 36'
>>>> Butrler,
>>>> PA
>>>> the wire that activates the air solenoid.
>>>>
>>>> I did find, however, that the wiring was less than simple, and included
>> at
>>>
>>>> least one diode that appeared to have failed. I think that was on a
>> ground
>>>
>>>> wire, and essentially made it open.
>>>>
>>>> Don Bradner
>>>> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>>>> My location:
>>>> <http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1>
>>> www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/1/2011 at 12:21 AM DonS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have two problems with my drop down driving lights under the front
>>>>> bumper. The left light wouldn't com on & I traced it to a bad bad
>> switch
>>>>> that the back of the light presses against when down. It is a Cherry
>>> with
>>>>> no other numbers on it. Anyone know of a source of these. It has 3
>> wires
>>>>> on it one hot going to the switch one hot to light when the light is
>>> down
>>>>> & pressing the button on switch & one that is hot when light is
>>> retracted.
>>>>> But it is not used. The other problem is the driving light switch on
>> the
>>>>> side panel under the shift buttons on the left. It seem to have lost
>> its
>>>>> ground & will not unless drop the lights unless I run an other ground
>> to
>>>>> it. Any guesses where that would be grounded? thank Don
>>>>> Don Spithaler
>>>>> 89 SP 36'
>>>>> Butler, PA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Drop down driving lights on 89 SP 36' - Don Bradner - 09-01-2011 13:20
Thanks. I knew they wouldn't be on unless there were high beams, but since mine
have not worked correctly during my ownership I didn't know how the air
deployment worked in relationship.
On 9/1/2011 at 5:31 PM Donald Spithaler wrote:
>Don. they do not retract when the high beams are dimmed Don
>89 SP 36'
>Butler' PA
>
>On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM, D E BARNES
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Don, does this mean that when I meet an oncoming vehicle and dim my
>lights,
>> that my driving light switch off and retract? I've never used them, but
>it
>> would be interesting to know these things.
>>
>> Donn
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/11 3:09 PM, "Don Bradner"
>>
>> > One obvious thing that wasn't mentioned: I don't think the lights are
>> supposed
>> > to go down unless they would also be on, so the ground probably
>completes
>> only
>> > when all other condtions are met. Those conditions are lights on,
>> high-beams
>> > on, driving light switch on. Is that how you are testing?
>> >
>> > Don Bradner
>> > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>> > My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>> >
>> > On 9/1/2011 at 2:52 PM Donald Spithaler wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ralph Do you know where the ground would connected to a ground block?
>> >> When I ground the switch for the drop down lights it seems to work.
>The
>> >> green led light at the switch light when the lights come down & goes
>out
>> >> when the lights close. Everything seem to work when it a ground wire
>> >> attached. I'll look at Littlefield. Thank Don
>> >> Don Spithaler
>> >> 89 SP 36'
>> >> Butler, PA
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Ralph L. Fullenwider
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> **
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Don, you can find the cherry or Littlefield switches at Fry's or
>Allied
>> >>> Electronics or many of the on line Electronic stores.
>> >>>
>> >>> Safe travels,
>> >>>
>> >>> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
>> >>> "84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
>> >>> Duncan, Oklahoma
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> At 10:57 PM 8/31/2011 -0400, you wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I checked a NAPA & Auto Zone today with no luck The guy at NAPA told
>> me
>> >> a
>> >>>> place where I can look tomorrow. The wiring is hard to check
>without a
>> >>>> complete set of drawings, I know I could do without the lights. I
>> don't
>> >> do
>> >>>
>> >>>> much night driving anyways.
>> >>>> Don Spithaler
>> >>>> 89 SP 36'
>> >>>> Butrler,
>> >>>> PA
>> >>>> the wire that activates the air solenoid.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I did find, however, that the wiring was less than simple, and
>> included
>> >> at
>> >>>
>> >>>> least one diode that appeared to have failed. I think that was on a
>> >> ground
>> >>>
>> >>>> wire, and essentially made it open.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Don Bradner
>> >>>> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>> >>>> My location:
>> >>>> <http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1>
>> >>> http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 9/1/2011 at 12:21 AM DonS wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I have two problems with my drop down driving lights under the
>front
>> >>>>> bumper. The left light wouldn't com on & I traced it to a bad bad
>> >> switch
>> >>>>> that the back of the light presses against when down. It is a
>Cherry
>> >>> with
>> >>>>> no other numbers on it. Anyone know of a source of these. It has 3
>> >> wires
>> >>>>> on it one hot going to the switch one hot to light when the light
>is
>> >>> down
>> >>>>> & pressing the button on switch & one that is hot when light is
>> >>> retracted.
>> >>>>> But it is not used. The other problem is the driving light switch
>on
>> >> the
>> >>>>> side panel under the shift buttons on the left. It seem to have
>lost
>> >> its
>> >>>>> ground & will not unless drop the lights unless I run an other
>ground
>> >> to
>> >>>>> it. Any guesses where that would be grounded? thank Don
>> >>>>> Don Spithaler
>> >>>>> 89 SP 36'
>> >>>>> Butler, PA
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ------------------------------------
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
Drop down driving lights on 89 SP 36' - Donald Spithaler - 09-02-2011 04:58
Ralph, Don, Something else I just figured out this morning is that the air bags have to be inflated to get a ground to the driving light switch. That is why I had to ground the switch to get them to drop down. after I aired the air bags the switch worked without the extra ground. I guess that is so your lights wouldn't come down & hit something . Now all I have to do is find a small switch to turn the left light on or wire it to the right light. What do you guys think about that ????????    Will that one light both of them?      Thanks Don
Don Spithaler
89 SP 36'
Butler, PA
  Â
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Don Bradner <"bluethunder@arcatapet.com"> wrote:
Â
Thanks. I knew they wouldn't be on unless there were high beams, but since mine have not worked correctly during my ownership I didn't know how the air deployment worked in relationship.
On 9/1/2011 at 5:31 PM Donald Spithaler wrote:
>Don. they do not retract when the high beams are dimmed Don
>89 SP 36'
>Butler' PA
>
>On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM, D E BARNES <"donn%40phudpucker.com"> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Don, does this mean that when I meet an oncoming vehicle and dim my
>lights,
>> that my driving light switch off and retract? I've never used them, but
>it
>> would be interesting to know these things.
>>
>> Donn
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/11 3:09 PM, "Don Bradner" <"bluethunder%40arcatapet.com"> wrote:
>>
>> > One obvious thing that wasn't mentioned: I don't think the lights are
>> supposed
>> > to go down unless they would also be on, so the ground probably
>completes
>> only
>> > when all other condtions are met. Those conditions are lights on,
>> high-beams
>> > on, driving light switch on. Is that how you are testing?
>> >
>> > Don Bradner
>> > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>> > My location: www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>> >
>> > On 9/1/2011 at 2:52 PM Donald Spithaler wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ralph Do you know where the ground would connected to a ground block?
>> >> When I ground the switch for the drop down lights it seems to work.
>The
>> >> green led light at the switch light when the lights come down & goes
>out
>> >> when the lights close. Everything seem to work when it a ground wire
>> >> attached. I'll look at Littlefield. Thank Don
>> >> Don Spithaler
>> >> 89 SP 36'
>> >> Butler, PA
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Ralph L. Fullenwider
>> >> <"rlf47%40swbell.net">wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> **
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Don, you can find the cherry or Littlefield switches at Fry's or
>Allied
>> >>> Electronics or many of the on line Electronic stores.
>> >>>
>> >>> Safe travels,
>> >>>
>> >>> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
>> >>> "84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
>> >>> Duncan, Oklahoma
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> At 10:57 PM 8/31/2011 -0400, you wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I checked a NAPA & Auto Zone today with no luck The guy at NAPA told
>> me
>> >> a
>> >>>> place where I can look tomorrow. The wiring is hard to check
>without a
>> >>>> complete set of drawings, I know I could do without the lights. I
>> don't
>> >> do
>> >>>
>> >>>> much night driving anyways.
>> >>>> Don Spithaler
>> >>>> 89 SP 36'
>> >>>> Butrler,
>> >>>> PA
>> >>>> the wire that activates the air solenoid.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I did find, however, that the wiring was less than simple, and
>> included
>> >> at
>> >>>
>> >>>> least one diode that appeared to have failed. I think that was on a
>> >> ground
>> >>>
>> >>>> wire, and essentially made it open.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Don Bradner
>> >>>> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>> >>>> My location:
>> >>>> <http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1>
>> >>> www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 9/1/2011 at 12:21 AM DonS wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I have two problems with my drop down driving lights under the
>front
>> >>>>> bumper. The left light wouldn't com on & I traced it to a bad bad
>> >> switch
>> >>>>> that the back of the light presses against when down. It is a
>Cherry
>> >>> with
>> >>>>> no other numbers on it. Anyone know of a source of these. It has 3
>> >> wires
>> >>>>> on it one hot going to the switch one hot to light when the light
>is
>> >>> down
>> >>>>> & pressing the button on switch & one that is hot when light is
>> >>> retracted.
>> >>>>> But it is not used. The other problem is the driving light switch
>on
>> >> the
>> >>>>> side panel under the shift buttons on the left. It seem to have
>lost
>> >> its
>> >>>>> ground & will not unless drop the lights unless I run an other
>ground
>> >> to
>> >>>>> it. Any guesses where that would be grounded? thank Don
>> >>>>> Don Spithaler
>> >>>>> 89 SP 36'
>> >>>>> Butler, PA
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ------------------------------------
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
Drop down driving lights on 89 SP 36' - Ralph L. Fullenwider - 09-03-2011 06:45
Interesting, that is a new twist to me, but does make sense. Perhaps the
ground is terminated to the 60 psi suspension sensor that turns off the
suspension dump light.
Got to look that one up on the prints now. Nice find Don.
Safe travels,
Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
"84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma
At 12:58 PM 9/2/2011 -0400, you wrote:
>Ralph, Don, Something else I just figured out this morning is that the
>air bags have to be inflated to get a ground to the driving light switch.
>That is why I had to ground the switch to get them to drop down. after I
>aired the air bags the switch worked without the extra ground. I guess
>that is so your lights wouldn't come down & hit something . Now all I have
>to do is find a small switch to turn the left light on or wire it to the
>right light. What do you guys think about that ???????? Will that one
>light both of them? Thanks Don
>Don Spithaler
>89 SP 36'
>Butler, PA
>
>
>On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Don Bradner
><
>
>
>Thanks. I knew they wouldn't be on unless there were high beams, but since
>mine have not worked correctly during my ownership I didn't know how the
>air deployment worked in relationship.
>
>