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Heart Interface - Jay Darst - 04-06-2006 08:13
The Xantrex uses a modified sine wave in some inverters and "TRUE"
sinewave in their Prosine inverters.
The modified sine wave or "dirty" sine wave has worked very well for
me. Though have never ran a printer on it. Did have a problem with
an OLD(about 15 years ago) vcr with it, wouldn't run the tape the
right speed. So there certainly is a difference between MODIFIED and
TRUE sine wave.
Have always used Heart Interface or Xantrex(which bought Heart).
Have heard a limited amount of good things about the Outback
inverters. They are not as well known yet.
Jay Darst
85PT40
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Blair
>
> Heart and Trace do not have the quality of the Outback
products and are
> generally several years behind.
>
> 2. If you can, always go with a "perfect" sine wave inverter.
The Trace and
> Heart are multistage square wave that they call a sine wave, but
it's dirty.
>
> Blair In Oregon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Heart Interface - Jay Darst - 04-06-2006 08:20
Hi BOB!
I am still using 6-6volt Trojan T-105s, so 660 amp hour capacity.
Interestingly, they are still working at well over 95% CEF (charge
efficiency factor).
The factory default CEF is 95% for startup. As the Link 1000
recognizes a more than 10% discharge and then recharges the
batteries, it re-calculates this charge efficiency factor.
As the factor reduces, say down to 85%, that would indicate that the
batteries are weakening. Or that the sulfide that accumulates on the
plates needs to be "boiled" off the plates using your "EQUALIZE"
mode on your inverter/charger.
Later
Jay Darst
85PT40
Spfld, IL
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "robertnloomas"
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jay Question What is your battery bank capacity?
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT36
> >
> > Ernie,
> >
> > The inverter is the single most important update you can do to
> improve
> > the usability of your Bird, IMO.
> >
>
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
Heart Interface - Blair - 04-06-2006 09:15
I've used all three and would not use anything but
an Outback, and yes, I can get all three with 30% off.
Blair in Oregon
At 01:13 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote:
>The Xantrex uses a modified sine wave in some inverters and "TRUE"
>sinewave in their Prosine inverters.
>
>The modified sine wave or "dirty" sine wave has worked very well for
>me. Though have never ran a printer on it. Did have a problem with
>an OLD(about 15 years ago) vcr with it, wouldn't run the tape the
>right speed. So there certainly is a difference between MODIFIED and
>TRUE sine wave.
>
>Have always used Heart Interface or Xantrex(which bought Heart).
>Have heard a limited amount of good things about the Outback
>inverters. They are not as well known yet.
>
>Jay Darst
>85PT40
>
>
>
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Blair
> >
>
> > Heart and Trace do not have the quality of the Outback
>products and are
> > generally several years behind.
> >
> > 2. If you can, always go with a "perfect" sine wave inverter.
>The Trace and
> > Heart are multistage square wave that they call a sine wave, but
>it's dirty.
> >
> > Blair In Oregon
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Heart Interface - Larry - 04-06-2006 15:21
Hi Jay,
I would like to tell you of my experience with Heart... As you know I do
not have a BB yet... But , I do have a boat with a Heart 2500 Inv, Chgr, a 200
amp ample power alternator, link 2000R and 6 T 105's with a 12 volt starting
batt... I purchased my 2500 before Xantrec bought out Heart...
What I did was to have to incoming 30 amp power cord connect straight to the
chgr and then to the panels without adding any additional panels... I do not
have a generator, but do have a shut to add a generator, solor panels or wind
generator...
It works extremely well, when I disconnect from shore power the inverter
changes over automatically and sends AC power to all appliances that require
it...
Can this be set up in a BB the same way???
Sea Ya
Larry
NYC
Wannabe
Jay Darst
I am still using 6-6volt Trojan T-105s, so 660 amp hour capacity.
Interestingly, they are still working at well over 95% CEF (charge
efficiency factor).
The factory default CEF is 95% for startup. As the Link 1000
recognizes a more than 10% discharge and then recharges the
batteries, it re-calculates this charge efficiency factor.
As the factor reduces, say down to 85%, that would indicate that the
batteries are weakening. Or that the sulfide that accumulates on the
plates needs to be "boiled" off the plates using your "EQUALIZE"
mode on your inverter/charger.
Later
Jay Darst
85PT40
Spfld, IL
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "robertnloomas"
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jay Question What is your battery bank capacity?
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT36
> >
> > Ernie,
> >
> > The inverter is the single most important update you can do to
> improve
> > the usability of your Bird, IMO.
> >
>
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
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Heart Interface - Tom Warner - 04-06-2006 17:10
Yets it works exactly the same way and the way I
have it connected in my Bluebird.
Tom Warner
Vernon center, NY
1982 FC35 (for sale soon)
1985 PT40
At 11:21 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Jay,
> I would like to tell you of my
> experience with Heart... As you know I do
> not have a BB yet... But , I do have a boat
> with a Heart 2500 Inv, Chgr, a 200 amp ample
> power alternator, link 2000R and 6 T 105's
> with a 12 volt starting batt... I purchased my
> 2500 before Xantrec bought out Heart...
> What I did was to have to incoming 30 amp
> power cord connect straight to the chgr and
> then to the panels without adding any
> additional panels... I do not have a
> generator, but do have a shut to add
> a generator, solor panels or wind generator...
> It works extremely well, when I disconnect
> from shore power the inverter changes over
> automatically and sends AC power to all appliances that require it...
> Can this be set up in a BB the same way???
> Sea Ya
> Larry
> NYC
> Wannabe
>
>
>Jay Darst
>
>I am still using 6-6volt Trojan T-105s, so 660 amp hour capacity.
>
>Interestingly, they are still working at well over 95% CEF (charge
>efficiency factor).
>
>The factory default CEF is 95% for startup. As the Link 1000
>recognizes a more than 10% discharge and then recharges the
>batteries, it re-calculates this charge efficiency factor.
>
>As the factor reduces, say down to 85%, that would indicate that the
>batteries are weakening. Or that the sulfide that accumulates on the
>plates needs to be "boiled" off the plates using your "EQUALIZE"
>mode on your inverter/charger.
>
>Later
>Jay Darst
>85PT40
>Spfld, IL
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "robertnloomas"
>wrote:
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jay Question What is your battery bank capacity?
> > Bob Loomas 1985 PT36
> > >
> > > Ernie,
> > >
> > > The inverter is the single most important update you can do to
> > improve
> > > the usability of your Bird, IMO.
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Heart Interface - Julia Bonser - 04-06-2006 17:33
We have been full timing for 10 years and used Macintosh Computers
the whole time. Now we have a Powerbook and an iBook. We have used a
scanner and printer and the computers with inverters and have not had
any difficulty with the ones with a modified sine wave.
You many want to think a bit about taking out all your living space
if you and your wive will be living in your motorhome. We have a 40
ft Wanderlodge with a couch on one side and a desk on the other in
front. The scanner and printer are on the desktop. We added a mobile
computer (Jotto Desk) stand in front of the chair and my husband uses
it or sits at the dining table to do his computing. I use a lap tray
and in our sofa there are pull out dining trays in the arms. I used
one for my laptop also.
I recommend keeping at least one couch and if possible doing
everything with laptops. We did carry a desktop mac for several years
and the convenience and flexibility of laptops weaned us a way from a
desktop model. Even a 40 foot motorhome has space limitations and you
may want room to seat occasional visitors. You will be eating,
sleeping and relaxing your motorhome as well as conducting a
business. In our first motorhome (28 feet) we took out the dining
table to put in the desk for the computer and we really liked having
a dining table when we moved up to a 35 foot motorhome with a
different arrangement for the desktop and flat screen monitor.
Julie Bonser
1992 WLWB PT 40'
On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Pete Masterson wrote:
>
> This was a wonderfully helpful description of inverter installation.
>
> My wife and I are planning on semi-full-timing. (We'll have a "base
> camp" in a family owned apartment house -- but we _really_ don't plan
> to be there much.) When I get my 'bird, I will be setting up an
> office in the front area (replacing the sofas/chairs that are
> standard) so that I can maintain my business on the road.
>
> I plan to have three Macintosh computers on board (laptop, MacMini,
> and G5). Currently I use APC UPS power supplies to isolate the
> computers/monitors from the city power system in my home office.
>
Heart Interface - Tom Warner - 04-07-2006 02:47
While I have not full timed we do use our coach extensively enough
that I have decided what I want for communications in the coach. I
also have a laptop with software to use my cell phone to access the
Verizon high speed network, use if for a GPS system, and have a card
to access a hotspot if it is available. I now believe that a laptop
is Not the way to go any longer. I am thinking of building a small
computer with laptop harddrives and wireless ability to connect to 3
LCD monitors(one for the passenger and one for the driver and one for
other computer uses), a printer etc. The 2 small LCD monitors will be
used by the GPS system as well a for the back up camera. This will
enable the computer to be installed almost anywhere in the coach and
accessed via wireless.
tom warner
Vernon Center,NY
1982 FC35(for sale soon)
1985 PT 40
At 01:33 AM 4/7/2006, you wrote:
>We have been full timing for 10 years and used Macintosh Computers
>the whole time. Now we have a Powerbook and an iBook. We have used a
>scanner and printer and the computers with inverters and have not had
>any difficulty with the ones with a modified sine wave.
>
>You many want to think a bit about taking out all your living space
>if you and your wive will be living in your motorhome. We have a 40
>ft Wanderlodge with a couch on one side and a desk on the other in
>front. The scanner and printer are on the desktop. We added a mobile
>computer (Jotto Desk) stand in front of the chair and my husband uses
>it or sits at the dining table to do his computing. I use a lap tray
>and in our sofa there are pull out dining trays in the arms. I used
>one for my laptop also.
>
>I recommend keeping at least one couch and if possible doing
>everything with laptops. We did carry a desktop mac for several years
>and the convenience and flexibility of laptops weaned us a way from a
>desktop model. Even a 40 foot motorhome has space limitations and you
>may want room to seat occasional visitors. You will be eating,
>sleeping and relaxing your motorhome as well as conducting a
>business. In our first motorhome (28 feet) we took out the dining
>table to put in the desk for the computer and we really liked having
>a dining table when we moved up to a 35 foot motorhome with a
>different arrangement for the desktop and flat screen monitor.
>
>Julie Bonser
>1992 WLWB PT 40'
>
>
>
>On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Pete Masterson wrote:
>
> >
> > This was a wonderfully helpful description of inverter installation.
> >
> > My wife and I are planning on semi-full-timing. (We'll have a "base
> > camp" in a family owned apartment house -- but we _really_ don't plan
> > to be there much.) When I get my 'bird, I will be setting up an
> > office in the front area (replacing the sofas/chairs that are
> > standard) so that I can maintain my business on the road.
> >
> > I plan to have three Macintosh computers on board (laptop, MacMini,
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> >
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Heart Interface - Jay Darst - 04-07-2006 14:06
Larry,
I too, had my boat wired that way. My boat had 1 air conditioner.
The boats total draw with everything running would not exceed 50
amps total. So, with 2 3o amp legs, the 50 amp load could be divided
even enough to keep the loads down to the maximum 30 amps per leg.
With the Bird, we have 2 legs of 50 amps. You COULD make a mistake
and have 2 or 3 a/c's ON and, for some reason, loose shore power
(city power glitch, someone trips on your cord, you accidenatlly
swith the matster changeover switch, etc).
The internal, 30 amp MAXIMUM, transfer switch would try to transfer
the 50 amp loads. 2 things would happen- 1.) the internal transfer
switch would probably cook 2.) you would instantly overload the
Inverter, which will try to sustain the load up to about 40 amp
draw, then it will shut down. You would have had a 12V draw of about
375 amps which should be sufficent to blow the 300 amp fuse that is
in the lines that connect the inverter to the batteries.
Too much crap to go wrong when its wired so that ALL the loads COULD
pass thru the Inverter.
Note that on the $1M rigs, they use 2 inverters with 50amp internal
switches each.
Bottom line- Install it correctly and there will be no booboo's ;~}
Jay Darst
85PT40
Springfield, IL
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Larry
wrote:
>
> Hi Jay,
> I would like to tell you of my experience with Heart... As
you know I do not have a BB yet... But , I do have a boat with a
Heart 2500 Inv, Chgr, a 200 amp ample power alternator, link 2000R
and 6 T 105's with a 12 volt starting batt... I purchased my 2500
before Xantrec bought out Heart...
> What I did was to have to incoming 30 amp power cord connect
straight to the chgr and then to the panels without adding any
additional panels... I do not have a generator, but do have a shut
to add a generator, solor panels or wind generator...
> It works extremely well, when I disconnect from shore power the
inverter changes over automatically and sends AC power to all
appliances that require it...
> Can this be set up in a BB the same way???
> Sea Ya
> Larry
> NYC
> Wannabe
>
>
> Jay Darst
>
> I am still using 6-6volt Trojan T-105s, so 660 amp hour capacity.
>
> Interestingly, they are still working at well over 95% CEF (charge
> efficiency factor).
>
> The factory default CEF is 95% for startup. As the Link 1000
> recognizes a more than 10% discharge and then recharges the
> batteries, it re-calculates this charge efficiency factor.
>
> As the factor reduces, say down to 85%, that would indicate that
the
> batteries are weakening. Or that the sulfide that accumulates on
the
> plates needs to be "boiled" off the plates using your "EQUALIZE"
> mode on your inverter/charger.
>
> Later
> Jay Darst
> 85PT40
> Spfld, IL
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "robertnloomas"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jay Question What is your battery bank capacity?
> > Bob Loomas 1985 PT36
> > >
> > > Ernie,
> > >
> > > The inverter is the single most important update you can do to
> > improve
> > > the usability of your Bird, IMO.
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Heart Interface - Larry - 04-07-2006 14:30
Hi Jay,
Thanks for the reasoning behind the way you have to do it on a BB...
I was not thinking in terms of the 50 amps... I do see what you mean...
Sea Ya
Larry
Wannabe
NYC
Jay Darst
I too, had my boat wired that way. My boat had 1 air conditioner.
The boats total draw with everything running would not exceed 50
amps total. So, with 2 3o amp legs, the 50 amp load could be divided
even enough to keep the loads down to the maximum 30 amps per leg.
With the Bird, we have 2 legs of 50 amps. You COULD make a mistake
and have 2 or 3 a/c's ON and, for some reason, loose shore power
(city power glitch, someone trips on your cord, you accidenatlly
swith the matster changeover switch, etc).
The internal, 30 amp MAXIMUM, transfer switch would try to transfer
the 50 amp loads. 2 things would happen- 1.) the internal transfer
switch would probably cook 2.) you would instantly overload the
Inverter, which will try to sustain the load up to about 40 amp
draw, then it will shut down. You would have had a 12V draw of about
375 amps which should be sufficent to blow the 300 amp fuse that is
in the lines that connect the inverter to the batteries.
Too much crap to go wrong when its wired so that ALL the loads COULD
pass thru the Inverter.
Note that on the $1M rigs, they use 2 inverters with 50amp internal
switches each.
Bottom line- Install it correctly and there will be no booboo's ;~}
Jay Darst
85PT40
Springfield, IL
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Larry
wrote:
>
> Hi Jay,
> I would like to tell you of my experience with Heart... As
you know I do not have a BB yet... But , I do have a boat with a
Heart 2500 Inv, Chgr, a 200 amp ample power alternator, link 2000R
and 6 T 105's with a 12 volt starting batt... I purchased my 2500
before Xantrec bought out Heart...
> What I did was to have to incoming 30 amp power cord connect
straight to the chgr and then to the panels without adding any
additional panels... I do not have a generator, but do have a shut
to add a generator, solor panels or wind generator...
> It works extremely well, when I disconnect from shore power the
inverter changes over automatically and sends AC power to all
appliances that require it...
> Can this be set up in a BB the same way???
> Sea Ya
> Larry
> NYC
> Wannabe
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> Jay Darst wrote: Hi BOB!
>
> I am still using 6-6volt Trojan T-105s, so 660 amp hour capacity.
>
> Interestingly, they are still working at well over 95% CEF (charge
> efficiency factor).
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> The factory default CEF is 95% for startup. As the Link 1000
> recognizes a more than 10% discharge and then recharges the
> batteries, it re-calculates this charge efficiency factor.
>
> As the factor reduces, say down to 85%, that would indicate that
the
> batteries are weakening. Or that the sulfide that accumulates on
the
> plates needs to be "boiled" off the plates using your "EQUALIZE"
> mode on your inverter/charger.
>
> Later
> Jay Darst
> 85PT40
> Spfld, IL
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "robertnloomas"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jay Question What is your battery bank capacity?
> > Bob Loomas 1985 PT36
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> > > Ernie,
> > >
> > > The inverter is the single most important update you can do to
> > improve
> > > the usability of your Bird, IMO.
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