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Safe-T-Plus - David Brady - 05-13-2007 11:26
I agree the Steer Safe solution is a little scary looking.
David B
'02 LXi, Smokey
NC
Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
> Rob, Thanks, If I commented about bandaid fixes and using TrueValue
> springs and clamp bolts to reengineere a design issue, It would have
> come across as an attact to the folks who fell for the sales pitch,
> or drove the flawed product.
>
> I do like the blow out propaganda, hopefully both springs pop off at
> the same time from the tire cords and belts. one spring remaining
> would pull a quick circle. I think the testimonials are from
> survivers of a rear tire blow out.
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> >
> > Several years ago I remember a thread on steering devices that
> generally
> > said if you were buying one to correct 'wandering' you should first
> have
> > your steering checked out to see if you are just applying a bandaid
> solution
> > to a worn or out of adjustment system. Further, if my memory serves
> me
> > correctly, several responses warned against buying any sytem that
> reduced
> > wandering by adding resistance to the steering systerm. It was
> expressed
> > that the extra force required by the power steering pump to
> overcome the
> > added resistance could cause premature wear and tear on the PS pump.
> >
> > On 13/05/07, Pete Masterson
> > >
> > > The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center
> system
> > > with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no
> > > problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as
> > > this is the first and only BB I've ever driven.
> > >
> > > I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than
> > > some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest
> > > vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago
> (where
> > > I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks
> I've
> > > driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/
> > > lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering
> design is
> > > a little less precise than some other designs...
> > >
> > > Pete Masterson
> > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > aeonix1@...
> > > On the road at Lockhart Texas
> > >
> > > On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... <msecoolcal%
> 40aol.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving
> > > > result
> > > > between one safety steering attachment and another. The
> safeTplus
> > > > has a shock
> > > > absorber and the other one on the market has springs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > 94 WLWB
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Safe-T-Plus - Rob Robinson - 05-13-2007 11:46
I hear ya.
On 13/05/07, Gregory OConnor
>
> Rob, Thanks, If I commented about bandaid fixes and using TrueValue
> springs and clamp bolts to reengineere a design issue, It would have
> come across as an attact to the folks who fell for the sales pitch,
> or drove the flawed product.
>
> I do like the blow out propaganda, hopefully both springs pop off at
> the same time from the tire cords and belts. one spring remaining
> would pull a quick circle. I think the testimonials are from
> survivers of a rear tire blow out.
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> "Rob Robinson"
>
> >
> > Several years ago I remember a thread on steering devices that
> generally
> > said if you were buying one to correct 'wandering' you should first
> have
> > your steering checked out to see if you are just applying a bandaid
> solution
> > to a worn or out of adjustment system. Further, if my memory serves
> me
> > correctly, several responses warned against buying any sytem that
> reduced
> > wandering by adding resistance to the steering systerm. It was
> expressed
> > that the extra force required by the power steering pump to
> overcome the
> > added resistance could cause premature wear and tear on the PS pump.
> >
> > On 13/05/07, Pete Masterson
> > >
> > > The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center
> system
> > > with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no
> > > problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as
> > > this is the first and only BB I've ever driven.
> > >
> > > I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than
> > > some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest
> > > vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago
> (where
> > > I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks
> I've
> > > driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/
> > > lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering
> design is
> > > a little less precise than some other designs...
> > >
> > > Pete Masterson
> > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > aeonix1@...
> > > On the road at Lockhart Texas
> > >
> > > On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... <msecoolcal%
> 40aol.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving
> > > > result
> > > > between one safety steering attachment and another. The
> safeTplus
> > > > has a shock
> > > > absorber and the other one on the market has springs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > 94 WLWB
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB
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Safe-T-Plus - bloomas - 05-13-2007 11:50
----- Original Message -----
From: David Brady
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: safe-t-plus
If it were so good fleet trucks would have it.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT36
I agree the Steer Safe solution is a little scary looking.
David B
'02 LXi, Smokey
NC
Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
> Rob, Thanks, If I commented about bandaid fixes and using TrueValue
> springs and clamp bolts to reengineere a design issue, It would have
> come across as an attact to the folks who fell for the sales pitch,
> or drove the flawed product.
>
> I do like the blow out propaganda, hopefully both springs pop off at
> the same time from the tire cords and belts. one spring remaining
> would pull a quick circle. I think the testimonials are from
> survivers of a rear tire blow out.
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> >
> > Several years ago I remember a thread on steering devices that
> generally
> > said if you were buying one to correct 'wandering' you should first
> have
> > your steering checked out to see if you are just applying a bandaid
> solution
> > to a worn or out of adjustment system. Further, if my memory serves
> me
> > correctly, several responses warned against buying any sytem that
> reduced
> > wandering by adding resistance to the steering systerm. It was
> expressed
> > that the extra force required by the power steering pump to
> overcome the
> > added resistance could cause premature wear and tear on the PS pump.
> >
> > On 13/05/07, Pete Masterson
> > >
> > > The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center
> system
> > > with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no
> > > problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as
> > > this is the first and only BB I've ever driven.
> > >
> > > I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than
> > > some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest
> > > vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago
> (where
> > > I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks
> I've
> > > driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/
> > > lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering
> design is
> > > a little less precise than some other designs...
> > >
> > > Pete Masterson
> > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > aeonix1@...
> > > On the road at Lockhart Texas
> > >
> > > On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... <msecoolcal%
> 40aol.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving
> > > > result
> > > > between one safety steering attachment and another. The
> safeTplus
> > > > has a shock
> > > > absorber and the other one on the market has springs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > 94 WLWB
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007
12:17 PM
>
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Safe-T-Plus - David Brady - 05-13-2007 12:01
I think they do. Most run some sort of Howard Steer
or Safe-T-Plus. Look, these systems greatly reduce
driver fatigue. Less fatigue equals an alert driver and
fewer misshaps.
David B
'02 LXi, Smokey
NC
bloomas wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Brady
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 6:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: safe-t-plus
> If it were so good fleet trucks would have it.
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT36
>
> I agree the Steer Safe solution is a little scary looking.
>
> David B
> '02 LXi, Smokey
> NC
>
> Gregory OConnor wrote:
> >
> > Rob, Thanks, If I commented about bandaid fixes and using TrueValue
> > springs and clamp bolts to reengineere a design issue, It would have
> > come across as an attact to the folks who fell for the sales pitch,
> > or drove the flawed product.
> >
> > I do like the blow out propaganda, hopefully both springs pop off at
> > the same time from the tire cords and belts. one spring remaining
> > would pull a quick circle. I think the testimonials are from
> > survivers of a rear tire blow out.
> > GregoryO'Connor
> > 94ptRomolandCa
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Several years ago I remember a thread on steering devices that
> > generally
> > > said if you were buying one to correct 'wandering' you should first
> > have
> > > your steering checked out to see if you are just applying a bandaid
> > solution
> > > to a worn or out of adjustment system. Further, if my memory serves
> > me
> > > correctly, several responses warned against buying any sytem that
> > reduced
> > > wandering by adding resistance to the steering systerm. It was
> > expressed
> > > that the extra force required by the power steering pump to
> > overcome the
> > > added resistance could cause premature wear and tear on the PS pump.
> > >
> > > On 13/05/07, Pete Masterson
> > > >
> > > > The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center
> > system
> > > > with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no
> > > > problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as
> > > > this is the first and only BB I've ever driven.
> > > >
> > > > I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than
> > > > some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest
> > > > vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago
> > (where
> > > > I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks
> > I've
> > > > driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/
> > > > lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering
> > design is
> > > > a little less precise than some other designs...
> > > >
> > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > aeonix1@...
> > > > On the road at Lockhart Texas
> > > >
> > > > On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... <msecoolcal%
> > 40aol.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving
> > > > > result
> > > > > between one safety steering attachment and another. The
> > safeTplus
> > > > > has a shock
> > > > > absorber and the other one on the market has springs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > > 94 WLWB
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date:
> 5/13/2007 12:17 PM
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007 12:17
PM
>
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Safe-T-Plus - bloomas - 05-13-2007 13:51
----- Original Message -----
From: David Brady
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: safe-t-plus
I gust quick driving over the road for one of the lagers
company's in the US we dam sure did not have any thing
like howard power steering or steer safe.Just for the recorded I removed a
howard power steering unit from my bird because it suck.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT
I think they do. Most run some sort of Howard Steer
or Safe-T-Plus. Look, these systems greatly reduce
driver fatigue. Less fatigue equals an alert driver and
fewer misshaps.
David B
'02 LXi, Smokey
NC
bloomas wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Brady
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 6:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: safe-t-plus
> If it were so good fleet trucks would have it.
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT36
>
> I agree the Steer Safe solution is a little scary looking.
>
> David B
> '02 LXi, Smokey
> NC
>
> Gregory OConnor wrote:
> >
> > Rob, Thanks, If I commented about bandaid fixes and using TrueValue
> > springs and clamp bolts to reengineere a design issue, It would have
> > come across as an attact to the folks who fell for the sales pitch,
> > or drove the flawed product.
> >
> > I do like the blow out propaganda, hopefully both springs pop off at
> > the same time from the tire cords and belts. one spring remaining
> > would pull a quick circle. I think the testimonials are from
> > survivers of a rear tire blow out.
> > GregoryO'Connor
> > 94ptRomolandCa
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Several years ago I remember a thread on steering devices that
> > generally
> > > said if you were buying one to correct 'wandering' you should first
> > have
> > > your steering checked out to see if you are just applying a bandaid
> > solution
> > > to a worn or out of adjustment system. Further, if my memory serves
> > me
> > > correctly, several responses warned against buying any sytem that
> > reduced
> > > wandering by adding resistance to the steering systerm. It was
> > expressed
> > > that the extra force required by the power steering pump to
> > overcome the
> > > added resistance could cause premature wear and tear on the PS pump.
> > >
> > > On 13/05/07, Pete Masterson
> > > >
> > > > The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center
> > system
> > > > with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no
> > > > problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as
> > > > this is the first and only BB I've ever driven.
> > > >
> > > > I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than
> > > > some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest
> > > > vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago
> > (where
> > > > I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks
> > I've
> > > > driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/
> > > > lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering
> > design is
> > > > a little less precise than some other designs...
> > > >
> > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > aeonix1@...
> > > > On the road at Lockhart Texas
> > > >
> > > > On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... <msecoolcal%
> > 40aol.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving
> > > > > result
> > > > > between one safety steering attachment and another. The
> > safeTplus
> > > > > has a shock
> > > > > absorber and the other one on the market has springs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > > 94 WLWB
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date:
> 5/13/2007 12:17 PM
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
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> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007
12:17 PM
>
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Safe-T-Plus - David Brady - 05-13-2007 14:11
Ahhh, what do I know Bob. As long as your bird
steers good that's all that matters.
Happy Mother's Day
David Brady
'02 LXi, Smokey
NC
bloomas wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Brady
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: safe-t-plus
> I gust quick driving over the road for one of the lagers
> company's in the US we dam sure did not have any thing
> like howard power steering or steer safe.Just for the recorded I
> removed a howard power steering unit from my bird because it suck.
>
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT
>
> I think they do. Most run some sort of Howard Steer
> or Safe-T-Plus. Look, these systems greatly reduce
> driver fatigue. Less fatigue equals an alert driver and
> fewer misshaps.
>
> David B
> '02 LXi, Smokey
> NC
>
> bloomas wrote:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Brady
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 6:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: safe-t-plus
> > If it were so good fleet trucks would have it.
> > Bob Loomas 1985 PT36
> >
> > I agree the Steer Safe solution is a little scary looking.
> >
> > David B
> > '02 LXi, Smokey
> > NC
> >
> > Gregory OConnor wrote:
> > >
> > > Rob, Thanks, If I commented about bandaid fixes and using TrueValue
> > > springs and clamp bolts to reengineere a design issue, It would have
> > > come across as an attact to the folks who fell for the sales pitch,
> > > or drove the flawed product.
> > >
> > > I do like the blow out propaganda, hopefully both springs pop off at
> > > the same time from the tire cords and belts. one spring remaining
> > > would pull a quick circle. I think the testimonials are from
> > > survivers of a rear tire blow out.
> > > GregoryO'Connor
> > > 94ptRomolandCa
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Several years ago I remember a thread on steering devices that
> > > generally
> > > > said if you were buying one to correct 'wandering' you should first
> > > have
> > > > your steering checked out to see if you are just applying a bandaid
> > > solution
> > > > to a worn or out of adjustment system. Further, if my memory serves
> > > me
> > > > correctly, several responses warned against buying any sytem that
> > > reduced
> > > > wandering by adding resistance to the steering systerm. It was
> > > expressed
> > > > that the extra force required by the power steering pump to
> > > overcome the
> > > > added resistance could cause premature wear and tear on the PS pump.
> > > >
> > > > On 13/05/07, Pete Masterson
> > > > >
> > > > > The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center
> > > system
> > > > > with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no
> > > > > problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as
> > > > > this is the first and only BB I've ever driven.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than
> > > > > some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest
> > > > > vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago
> > > (where
> > > > > I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks
> > > I've
> > > > > driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/
> > > > > lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering
> > > design is
> > > > > a little less precise than some other designs...
> > > > >
> > > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > > aeonix1@...
> > > > > On the road at Lockhart Texas
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... <msecoolcal%
> > > 40aol.com>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving
> > > > > > result
> > > > > > between one safety steering attachment and another. The
> > > safeTplus
> > > > > > has a shock
> > > > > > absorber and the other one on the market has springs.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > > > 94 WLWB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date:
> > 5/13/2007 12:17 PM
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date:
> 5/13/2007 12:17 PM
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007 12:17
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>
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