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New Bird - Ross MacKillop - 01-18-2008 04:29
Bill,
From the picture, it looks like the prototype may have a C13 Cat (525 horse) The alternators appear like 160 amp at 24V similar to 2006. The bottom alternator appears somewhat different- pulley may be smaller, but pic is low resolution.
Ross MacKillop
2006 450LXi
Casa Grande
Quartzite in a week
From the picture, it looks like the prototype may have a C13 Cat (525 horse) The alternators appear like 160 amp at 24V similar to 2006. The bottom alternator appears somewhat different- pulley may be smaller, but pic is low resolution.
Ross MacKillop
2006 450LXi
Casa Grande
Quartzite in a week
----- Original Message ----
From: pattypape
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:28:13 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: New Bird
Ralph,
I did see two hefty alternators, atleast a 200+amp and a 400+ amp
for the all electric coach.
Bill 88 FC with a 160 amp alternator
--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
wrote:
>
> I was doing some Factory warranty work when I was out on the road
and that
> was on a M 380. While repairing a broken ground and replacing a
pneumatic
> valve that was defective. A couple drove by and stopped and said "
That is
> a beautiful Motor Home! What is it?" It was explained that it was a
> Bluebird Wanderlodge then the couple said, "we thought so but was
not sure,
> don't the Wanderlodge' s have a railing on top?"
>
> Well, it is nice to see that someone finally took note of the
Signature
> trait of the Bluebird Wanderlodge and re installed a resemblance of
the age
> old tradition of the "goat rail" on top of this new addition to the
> Wanderlodge line. There will be no problem telling a Bird going
down the
> road now or espying one from the road when parked in an RV park.
>
> Well done to the crew at CCW Bluebird Wanderlodge division. Please
don't
> forget to include a set of schematics with each Coach. I am looking
forward
> to seeing how you integrated the multiplexing and divided it among
the
> separate systems in the Coach and sort of break out panels were
used. Sure
> would be nice from a diagnostician' s point of view to have a touch
screen
> diagnostic program built in that would at least localize any given
problem,
> then isolate the problem to an area. Ah but that would be dreaming
of
> course? To have a 3 hour diagnostic problem taken down to a 30 or
45 minute
> in and out and the customer is down the road instead of being
admired by
> passersby on the side of it.
>
> It will also be nice to compile a lit of the high hitters of down
time so
> the customer can plan for that at some future time and have the
knowledge
> needed to be able to prioritize the preventative maint schedule to
minimize
> the down time, and we as owners are familiar with down time but as
a united
> group is gaining the knowledge to do just that with the older units.
>
> Again, kudos to the design team, the interior team, the maintenance
team
> and most of all the team on the floor putting all the parts
together and
> with the age old pride that is expected from the finest in the
world. You
> truly are World Class!!
>
> >
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>
From: pattypape
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:28:13 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: New Bird
Ralph,
I did see two hefty alternators, atleast a 200+amp and a 400+ amp
for the all electric coach.
Bill 88 FC with a 160 amp alternator
--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> I was doing some Factory warranty work when I was out on the road
and that
> was on a M 380. While repairing a broken ground and replacing a
pneumatic
> valve that was defective. A couple drove by and stopped and said "
That is
> a beautiful Motor Home! What is it?" It was explained that it was a
> Bluebird Wanderlodge then the couple said, "we thought so but was
not sure,
> don't the Wanderlodge' s have a railing on top?"
>
> Well, it is nice to see that someone finally took note of the
Signature
> trait of the Bluebird Wanderlodge and re installed a resemblance of
the age
> old tradition of the "goat rail" on top of this new addition to the
> Wanderlodge line. There will be no problem telling a Bird going
down the
> road now or espying one from the road when parked in an RV park.
>
> Well done to the crew at CCW Bluebird Wanderlodge division. Please
don't
> forget to include a set of schematics with each Coach. I am looking
forward
> to seeing how you integrated the multiplexing and divided it among
the
> separate systems in the Coach and sort of break out panels were
used. Sure
> would be nice from a diagnostician' s point of view to have a touch
screen
> diagnostic program built in that would at least localize any given
problem,
> then isolate the problem to an area. Ah but that would be dreaming
of
> course? To have a 3 hour diagnostic problem taken down to a 30 or
45 minute
> in and out and the customer is down the road instead of being
admired by
> passersby on the side of it.
>
> It will also be nice to compile a lit of the high hitters of down
time so
> the customer can plan for that at some future time and have the
knowledge
> needed to be able to prioritize the preventative maint schedule to
minimize
> the down time, and we as owners are familiar with down time but as
a united
> group is gaining the knowledge to do just that with the older units.
>
> Again, kudos to the design team, the interior team, the maintenance
team
> and most of all the team on the floor putting all the parts
together and
> with the age old pride that is expected from the finest in the
world. You
> truly are World Class!!
>
> >
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>
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New Bird - pattypape - 01-18-2008 05:10
Ross, is correct 200 amp 24 volts and the engineer told me the other
is 400 amp.
Spec sheet says, Cummins ISX600HP Allison MH 4000 6 Speed,
Gross 53,000#
Bill 88 FC
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ross MacKillop
>
> Bill,
> From the picture, it looks like the prototype may have a C13 Cat
(525 horse) The alternators appear like 160 amp at 24V similar to
2006. The bottom alternator appears somewhat different- pulley may be
smaller, but pic is low resolution.
> Ross MacKillop
> 2006 450LXi
> Casa Grande
> Quartzite in a week
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: pattypape
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:28:13 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: New Bird
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ralph,
>
>
>
> I did see two hefty alternators, atleast a 200+amp and a 400+ amp
>
> for the all electric coach.
>
>
>
> Bill 88 FC with a 160 amp alternator
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
>
>
> >
>
> > I was doing some Factory warranty work when I was out on the road
>
> and that
>
> > was on a M 380. While repairing a broken ground and replacing a
>
> pneumatic
>
> > valve that was defective. A couple drove by and stopped and
said "
>
> That is
>
> > a beautiful Motor Home! What is it?" It was explained that it was
a
>
> > Bluebird Wanderlodge then the couple said, "we thought so but was
>
> not sure,
>
> > don't the Wanderlodge' s have a railing on top?"
>
> >
>
> > Well, it is nice to see that someone finally took note of the
>
> Signature
>
> > trait of the Bluebird Wanderlodge and re installed a resemblance
of
>
> the age
>
> > old tradition of the "goat rail" on top of this new addition to
the
>
> > Wanderlodge line. There will be no problem telling a Bird going
>
> down the
>
> > road now or espying one from the road when parked in an RV park.
>
> >
>
> > Well done to the crew at CCW Bluebird Wanderlodge division.
Please
>
> don't
>
> > forget to include a set of schematics with each Coach. I am
looking
>
> forward
>
> > to seeing how you integrated the multiplexing and divided it
among
>
> the
>
> > separate systems in the Coach and sort of break out panels were
>
> used. Sure
>
> > would be nice from a diagnostician' s point of view to have a
touch
>
> screen
>
> > diagnostic program built in that would at least localize any
given
>
> problem,
>
> > then isolate the problem to an area. Ah but that would be
dreaming
>
> of
>
> > course? To have a 3 hour diagnostic problem taken down to a 30 or
>
> 45 minute
>
> > in and out and the customer is down the road instead of being
>
> admired by
>
> > passersby on the side of it.
>
> >
>
> > It will also be nice to compile a lit of the high hitters of down
>
> time so
>
> > the customer can plan for that at some future time and have the
>
> knowledge
>
> > needed to be able to prioritize the preventative maint schedule
to
>
> minimize
>
> > the down time, and we as owners are familiar with down time but
as
>
> a united
>
> > group is gaining the knowledge to do just that with the older
units.
>
> >
>
> > Again, kudos to the design team, the interior team, the
maintenance
>
> team
>
> > and most of all the team on the floor putting all the parts
>
> together and
>
> > with the age old pride that is expected from the finest in the
>
> world. You
>
> > truly are World Class!!
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > Safe travels,
>
> >
>
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
>
> > 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
>
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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New Bird - Ross MacKillop - 01-18-2008 05:30
I think the new Cummins are red.
Ross
Ross
----- Original Message ----
From: pattypape
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:10:50 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: New Bird
Ross, is correct 200 amp 24 volts and the engineer told me the other
is 400 amp.
Spec sheet says, Cummins ISX600HP Allison MH 4000 6 Speed,
Gross 53,000#
Bill 88 FC
--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Ross MacKillop
wrote:
>
> Bill,
> From the picture, it looks like the prototype may have a C13 Cat
(525 horse) The alternators appear like 160 amp at 24V similar to
2006. The bottom alternator appears somewhat different- pulley may be
smaller, but pic is low resolution.
> Ross MacKillop
> 2006 450LXi
> Casa Grande
> Quartzite in a week
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: pattypape
> To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:28:13 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: New Bird
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ralph,
>
>
>
> I did see two hefty alternators, atleast a 200+amp and a 400+ amp
>
> for the all electric coach.
>
>
>
> Bill 88 FC with a 160 amp alternator
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I was doing some Factory warranty work when I was out on the road
>
> and that
>
> > was on a M 380. While repairing a broken ground and replacing a
>
> pneumatic
>
> > valve that was defective. A couple drove by and stopped and
said "
>
> That is
>
> > a beautiful Motor Home! What is it?" It was explained that it was
a
>
> > Bluebird Wanderlodge then the couple said, "we thought so but was
>
> not sure,
>
> > don't the Wanderlodge' s have a railing on top?"
>
> >
>
> > Well, it is nice to see that someone finally took note of the
>
> Signature
>
> > trait of the Bluebird Wanderlodge and re installed a resemblance
of
>
> the age
>
> > old tradition of the "goat rail" on top of this new addition to
the
>
> > Wanderlodge line. There will be no problem telling a Bird going
>
> down the
>
> > road now or espying one from the road when parked in an RV park.
>
> >
>
> > Well done to the crew at CCW Bluebird Wanderlodge division.
Please
>
> don't
>
> > forget to include a set of schematics with each Coach. I am
looking
>
> forward
>
> > to seeing how you integrated the multiplexing and divided it
among
>
> the
>
> > separate systems in the Coach and sort of break out panels were
>
> used. Sure
>
> > would be nice from a diagnostician' s point of view to have a
touch
>
> screen
>
> > diagnostic program built in that would at least localize any
given
>
> problem,
>
> > then isolate the problem to an area. Ah but that would be
dreaming
>
> of
>
> > course? To have a 3 hour diagnostic problem taken down to a 30 or
>
> 45 minute
>
> > in and out and the customer is down the road instead of being
>
> admired by
>
> > passersby on the side of it.
>
> >
>
> > It will also be nice to compile a lit of the high hitters of down
>
> time so
>
> > the customer can plan for that at some future time and have the
>
> knowledge
>
> > needed to be able to prioritize the preventative maint schedule
to
>
> minimize
>
> > the down time, and we as owners are familiar with down time but
as
>
> a united
>
> > group is gaining the knowledge to do just that with the older
units.
>
> >
>
> > Again, kudos to the design team, the interior team, the
maintenance
>
> team
>
> > and most of all the team on the floor putting all the parts
>
> together and
>
> > with the age old pride that is expected from the finest in the
>
> world. You
>
> > truly are World Class!!
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > Safe travels,
>
> >
>
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
>
> > 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
>
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: pattypape
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:10:50 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: New Bird
Ross, is correct 200 amp 24 volts and the engineer told me the other
is 400 amp.
Spec sheet says, Cummins ISX600HP Allison MH 4000 6 Speed,
Gross 53,000#
Bill 88 FC
--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Ross MacKillop
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> Bill,
> From the picture, it looks like the prototype may have a C13 Cat
(525 horse) The alternators appear like 160 amp at 24V similar to
2006. The bottom alternator appears somewhat different- pulley may be
smaller, but pic is low resolution.
> Ross MacKillop
> 2006 450LXi
> Casa Grande
> Quartzite in a week
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> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
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New Bird - Pete Masterson - 01-18-2008 05:36
Photo of a newly introduced Cummins engine in the FMCA magazine was painted red. The yellow paint on the engine in the new bird looks like "Cat yellow"... but, of course, the engine could be painted any color either by request of CCW or in the Coachworks shop.Â
I note that the DD Series 60 in my coach is light green.
Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
"aeonix1@mac.com"
On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Ross MacKillop wrote:
<snip>I think the new Cummins are red.
Ross
----- Original Message ----
From: pattypape <"billpatty@hotmail.com">
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:10:50 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: New Bird
Ross, is correct 200 amp 24 volts and the engineer told me the otherÂ
is 400 amp.
Spec sheet says, Cummins ISX600HP Allison MH 4000 6 Speed,
Gross 53,000#
Bill 88 FCÂ
New Bird - bloomas - 01-18-2008 05:57
----- Original Message -----From: "aeonix1@mac.com"To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:36 AMSubject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: New BirdThat is the color Detroit paint there engineBob Loomas 1985 PT 36
Photo of a newly introduced Cummins engine in the FMCA magazine was painted red. The yellow paint on the engine in the new bird looks like "Cat yellow"... but, of course, the engine could be painted any color either by request of CCW or in the Coachworks shop.
I note that the DD Series 60 in my coach is light green.
Pete Masterson'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42El Sobrante CA"aeonix1@mac.com"
On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Ross MacKillop wrote:
<snip>I think the new Cummins are red.
Ross
----- Original Message ----
From: pattypape <"billpatty@hotmail.com">
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:10:50 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: New Bird
Ross, is correct 200 amp 24 volts and the engineer told me the other
is 400 amp.
Spec sheet says, Cummins ISX600HP Allison MH 4000 6 Speed,
Gross 53,000#
Bill 88 FC
New Bird - Don Bradner - 01-18-2008 06:34
Randy has posted that the engine was a Cat, I assume C-15, but the specs for
production call for ISX.
Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Posting today by satellite from Yuma, AZ
New Bird - Macy Neshati - 01-18-2008 17:06
Correct,
the prototype is a C 13 at 525 HP, the Cummins didn’t arrive in time and
we had to get this bus to the show.
Standard
Engine for production models: Cummins ISX 600 HP
Optional
engine :
Cat C 15 625 HP
Thanks
for the kind words, we are working on a diagnostic screen, may be even a remote
Palm based diagnostic tool.
THANKS
Macy
Macy Neshati
www. completecoach.com http://www.thelegacyreturns.com
http://www.bluebirdcoachworks.com
email: macy@...
Cell: 951 836 6525 Office: 951 684 9585 Fax: 951 684 2023
1863 Service Court
Riverside, CA 92507
New Bird - Macy Neshati - 01-18-2008 17:50
Open
to all deals and trades!!! Exterior color was a hit with most, but order a
coach and watch how quickly we design an exterior paint scheme that is exactly
what you want, colors, patterns and schemes will all be of your choosing or if
you would like our designers will help you with ideas.
How
low are the Edsel miles J
Macy
Macy Neshati
www. completecoach.com http://www.thelegacyreturns.com
http://www.bluebirdcoachworks.com
email: macy@...
Cell: 951 836 6525 Office: 951 684 9585 Fax: 951 684 2023
1863 Service Court
Riverside, CA 92507
New Bird - brad barton - 01-19-2008 02:44
Macy,
We will be in So. Cal. in about a month. Are all Wanderlodges made now in Riverside or Fort Valley? Would CCW be a good place to stop, park or tour while we are there? Thanks..and good luck with the new era.
Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
bbartonwx@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: macy@...
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:50:00 -0800
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re:New Bird
Open to all deals and trades!!! Exterior color was a hit with most, but order a coach and watch how quickly we design an exterior paint scheme that is exactly what you want, colors, patterns and schemes will all be of your choosing or if you would like our designers will help you with ideas.
How low are the Edsel miles J
Macy
Macy Neshati
www. completecoach.
com http://www.thelegacyreturn s.com http://www.bluebirdcoachwo rks.com email: macy@completecoach.
com Cell: 951 836 6525 Office: 951 684 9585 Fax: 951 684 2023
1863 Service Court
Riverside, CA 92507
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