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Block Heater - pattypape - 02-13-2008 05:09

There are freeze plug heaters, tank coolant circulation heaters,
dip stick heaters, glue on oil pan heaters and magnetic stick
on the oil pan heaters,

here are a few examples, A diesel needs atleast 1500 watts.

http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductListSimple.aspx?Category=3355

Bill 88 FC Michigan




--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
wrote:
>
> Hello:
>
> Curiosity time on my part on block heaters. I was under the
impression that
> most block heaters were inserted where a freeze plug was removed
and that
> the freeze plugs were in the water jackets or in the coolant traces
in an
> engine. That being the case, then I don't see how it could burn oil
in
> anyway, since the oil would be warmed like using a double boiler
pan on a
> stove to melt chocolate and not scorch the candy. The water in the
engine
> gets warm, thus warming the block and oil.
>
> I am not that up on engines, save for the work I have done on mine
over the
> years, but I have never installed engine bloc heaters.
>
> Can anyone clear that one up for me please?
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> >
>

Block Heater - pattypape - 02-25-2008 23:50

There was thread last month about the different types of block heaters.
There is picture a Cat block heater on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com

item number 220199482354

Bill 88 FC Michigan

Block Heater - GARY MINKER - 02-19-2010 12:27

DANGER
it is not the excessive smoke that is the problem, it is not smoke at all!! It is atomized unburned RAW FUEL that the engine spits out, loads up your turbo and muffler with and when it gets nice and hot, EXPLODES, taking the turbo and muffler with it as shrapnel. The block heater insures oil flow, bearing lube, liner lube and tons more. If smoke was the only issue, so what. You are talking about destroying your motor and a possible fire. Oil heaters are a waste if there is no lube pre-pressure pump.
Gary 85pt40

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, freewill2008 wrote:
From: freewill2008
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Block Heater, was: Boilers
(was: Residential fridges)
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 5:39 PM




I'd say you made the right call. I'm in Olympia and have never needed a block heater. It did start a bit dirty during the cold weather in Dec. but that cleared up quickly.



Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII Olympia, WA



--- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "peterfc33" wrote:

>

> I am new to the group and new to forums in General. My '83 FC33 with Cat 3208 had the circulation pump/engine pre heater burn out. My commercial truck mechanic ordered a Kim Hot Start, the best available but at $500 bucks a pretty steep price. At my local NAPA store I found a Kat's Circulation Tank Heater package 3343-10, relabeled NAPA 605-3344. It's 120volt, 1500W and cost $58. The Kim was 3 weeks for delivery so we cancelled. I suspect the quality is not nearly the same but I am not a commercial user nor am I running the pre heater 24/7 as a stand by generator in a hospital. The concequence of the heater failing is excessive smoke during warm up and I'm not in a super cold climate so it's really not critical.

> Peter, Seattle

>

> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "pattypape" wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > many 3208's have a tank coolant heater, They incorporate a

> > circulation pump. there are several brands available.

> > A quick search show an examples of both at JC Whitney:

> >

> > http://www.jcwhitne y.com/Engine- Heaters/60000164 8.jcw?

> > TID=8041414& VT=sch&gclid= CN2d=rrav5ECFQp7 PAodDwegCw

> >

> > Our 3208 had a 110V block plug heater and a circulating pump.

> >

> > Bill 88 FC Michigan

> >

> >

> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Donald Watson"

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Brad,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the clarification about type and placement of the heating

> > > element. When you heat the oil pan, you're probably not heating

> > the entire

> > > engine as uniformly as a coolant heater, but does this matter? I'm

> > not

> > > criticizing your installation, simply trying to understand the

> > operation. I

> > > am sure you are heating the engine, but I don't think the lube oil

> > is

> > > circulating like the closed loop coolant will. Now I understand

> > how you

> > > might have been given a warning about a potential problem.

> > >

> > > There is probably a good reason why Stewart and Stevenson installed

> > a pan

> > > heater in your Detroit. The common place to install a generic 3208

> > coolant

> > > heater is occupied by the 2 sets of 1" npt coolant ports used by

> > the two

> > > coolant loops. I have to investigate the plug in the front of the

> > engine

> > > underneath the air compressor. I don't know if this is a coolant

> > port and,

> > > if so, what clearance is behind it.

> > >

> > > Thank you.

> > >

> > > Donn

> > > 76FC33

> > > North Kingstown, RI

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

> > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of brad barton

> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:42 PM

> > > To: wanderlodgeforum@ yahoogroups. com

> > > Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Block Heater, was: Boilers (was:

> > > Residential fridges)

> > >

> > > Mine was placed on the side of the oilpan.

> > >

> > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW

> > > bbartonwx@

> > >

> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

> > > From: billpatty@

> > > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:34:27 +0000

> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Block Heater, was: Boilers (was:

> > Residential

> > > fridges)

> > >

> > > Most block heaters, heat the coolant, not the oil,

> > School

> > > buses are

> > > plugged into power overnight.

> > >

> > > Bill 88 FC Michigan

> > >

> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, brad barton

> > > <bbartonwx@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > All I know is what I've been told by the people who

> > > installed it-

> > > Stewart and Stevenson in Dallas. I think I also saw a

> > > mention of

> > > that earlier on this forum. I'm sure there are

> > different

> > > ratings of

> > > block heaters- some more likely to burn oil than

> > others. If

> > > this is

> > > an old wives' tale such as swimming after eating or

> > crossing

> > > your

> > > eyes, I apologize. Brad Barton 00LXiDFWbbartonwx@

> > >

> >

>





Block Heater - Ernie Ekberg - 02-19-2010 12:40

I always turn my block heater on. With 300,000 miles on this coach, she needs all the help I can give her. She is very cold natured and when I use to try and start it without a preheat she almost chokes to death.


Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Wanderlodge
Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991

--- On Fri, 2/19/10, GARY MINKER wrote:

From: GARY MINKER
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Block Heater
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:27 PM


DANGER
it is not the excessive smoke that is the problem, it is not smoke at all!! It is atomized unburned RAW FUEL that the engine spits out, loads up your turbo and muffler with and when it gets nice and hot, EXPLODES, taking the turbo and muffler with it as shrapnel. The block heater insures oil flow, bearing lube, liner lube and tons more. If smoke was the only issue, so what. You are talking about destroying your motor and a possible fire. Oil heaters are a waste if there is no lube pre-pressure pump.
Gary 85pt40

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, freewill2008 wrote:

From: freewill2008
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Block Heater, was: Boilers (was: Residential fridges)
To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 5:39 PM


I'd say you made the right call. I'm in Olympia and have never needed a block heater. It did start a bit dirty during the cold weather in Dec. but that cleared up quickly.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII Olympia, WA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "peterfc33" wrote:
>
> I am new to the group and new to forums in General. My '83 FC33 with Cat 3208 had the circulation pump/engine pre heater burn out. My commercial truck mechanic ordered a Kim Hot Start, the best available but at $500 bucks a pretty steep price. At my local NAPA store I found a Kat's Circulation Tank Heater package 3343-10, relabeled NAPA 605-3344. It's 120volt, 1500W and cost $58. The Kim was 3 weeks for delivery so we cancelled. I suspect the quality is not nearly the same but I am not a commercial user nor am I running the pre heater 24/7 as a stand by generator in a hospital. The concequence of the heater
failing is excessive smoke during warm up and I'm not in a super cold climate so it's really not critical.
> Peter, Seattle
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "pattypape" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > many 3208's have a tank coolant heater, They incorporate a
> > circulation pump. there are several brands available.
> > A quick search show an examples of both at JC Whitney:
> >
> > http://www.jcwhitne y.com/Engine- Heaters/60000164 8.jcw?
> > TID=8041414& VT=sch&gclid= CN2d=rrav5ECFQp7 PAodDwegCw
> >
> > Our 3208 had a 110V block plug heater and a circulating pump.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Donald Watson"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the clarification about type and placement of the heating
> > > element. When you heat the oil pan, you're probably not heating
> > the entire
> > > engine as uniformly as a coolant heater, but does this matter? I'm
> > not
> > > criticizing your installation, simply trying to understand the
> > operation. I
> > > am sure you are heating the engine, but I don't think the lube oil
> > is
> > > circulating like the closed loop coolant will. Now I understand
> > how you
> > > might have been given a warning about a potential problem.
> > >
> > > There is probably a good reason why Stewart and Stevenson installed

> > a pan
> > > heater in your Detroit. The common place to install a generic 3208
> > coolant
> > > heater is occupied by the 2 sets of 1" npt coolant ports used by
> > the two
> > > coolant loops. I have to investigate the plug in the front of the
> > engine
> > > underneath the air compressor. I don't know if this is a coolant
> > port and,
> > > if so, what clearance is behind it.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Donn
> > > 76FC33
> > > North Kingstown, RI
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of brad barton
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:42 PM
> >
> To: wanderlodgeforum@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Block Heater, was: Boilers (was:
> > > Residential fridges)
> > >
> > > Mine was placed on the side of the oilpan.
> > >
> > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> > > bbartonwx@
> > >
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> > > From: billpatty@
> > > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:34:27 +0000
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Block Heater, was: Boilers (was:
> > Residential
> > > fridges)
> > >
> > > Most block heaters, heat the coolant, not the oil,
> > School
> > > buses are
> > > plugged into power overnight.
> > >
> > > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> > >
> > > --- In
WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, brad barton
> > > <bbartonwx@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All I know is what I've been told by the people who
> > > installed it-
> > > Stewart and Stevenson in Dallas. I think I also saw a
> > > mention of
> > > that earlier on this forum. I'm sure there are
> > different
> > > ratings of
> > > block heaters- some more likely to burn oil than
> > others. If
> > > this is
> > > an old wives' tale such as swimming after eating or
> > crossing
> > > your
> > > eyes, I apologize. Brad Barton 00LXiDFWbbartonwx@
> > >
> >
>



Block Heater - George Burke - 02-19-2010 13:56

Ernie, you are doing the smart thing, and  other 2 stroke DD owners should be doing that during cold weather as well. On my 8V71, I would start the gen, and plug in the block heater for about (1) hour . Folks, your old diesel will love you for it. Straight 40 wgt oil is pretty thick when cold. All oil flows much better when warm, and straight wgt. oils won't flow as readily as multi wgts. Guys, I spent (3) winters in Ma., and (1) in Ak. I found out that straight 30 and 40 wgt oils pour like STP in really cold areas on this country. I'm sure most northern BB owners are aware on this, because they are the ones that taught me!Take care of your baby. Regards, George Burke 1977FC31 Charlotte . And Yes, we to are having a cold winter here in N.C. I hate cold weather!!!

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Ernie Ekberg <"ernietex@yahoo.com"> wrote:

 



I always turn my block heater on. With 300,000 miles on this coach, she needs all the help I can give her. She is very cold natured and when I use to try and start it without a preheat she almost chokes to death.



Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Wanderlodge
Weatherford, Tx  817-475-3991

--- On Fri, 2/19/10, GARY MINKER <"garym33407@yahoo.com"> wrote:

From: GARY MINKER <"garym33407@yahoo.com">
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Block Heater

To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:27 PM


 
DANGER
it is not the excessive smoke that is the problem, it is not smoke at all!!  It is atomized unburned RAW FUEL that the engine spits out, loads up your turbo and muffler with and when it gets nice and hot, EXPLODES, taking the turbo and muffler with it as shrapnel.  The block heater insures oil flow, bearing lube, liner lube and tons more.  If smoke was the only issue, so what.  You are talking about destroying your motor and a possible fire.  Oil heaters are a waste if there is no lube pre-pressure pump.

Gary 85pt40

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, freewill2008 comcast.net> wrote:

From: freewill2008 comcast.net>
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Block Heater, was: Boilers (was: Residential fridges)

To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 5:39 PM


 
I'd say you made the right call. I'm in Olympia and have never needed a block heater. It did start a bit dirty during the cold weather in Dec. but that cleared up quickly.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII Olympia, WA


--- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "peterfc33" wrote:
>
> I am new to the group and new to forums in General. My '83 FC33 with Cat 3208 had the circulation pump/engine pre heater burn out. My commercial truck mechanic ordered a Kim Hot Start, the best available but at $500 bucks a pretty steep price. At my local NAPA store I found a Kat's Circulation Tank Heater package 3343-10, relabeled NAPA 605-3344. It's 120volt, 1500W and cost $58. The Kim was 3 weeks for delivery so we cancelled. I suspect the quality is not nearly the same but I am not a commercial user nor am I running the pre heater 24/7 as a stand by generator in a hospital. The concequence of the heater failing is excessive smoke during warm up and I'm not in a super cold climate so it's really not critical.

> Peter, Seattle
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "pattypape" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > many 3208's have a tank coolant heater, They incorporate a

> > circulation pump. there are several brands available.
> > A quick search show an examples of both at JC Whitney:
> >
> > http://www.jcwhitne y.com/Engine- Heaters/60000164 8.jcw?

> > TID=8041414& VT=sch&gclid= CN2d=rrav5ECFQp7 PAodDwegCw
> >
> > Our 3208 had a 110V block plug heater and a circulating pump.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >

> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Donald Watson"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the clarification about type and placement of the heating

> > > element. When you heat the oil pan, you're probably not heating
> > the entire
> > > engine as uniformly as a coolant heater, but does this matter? I'm
> > not
> > > criticizing your installation, simply trying to understand the

> > operation. I
> > > am sure you are heating the engine, but I don't think the lube oil
> > is
> > > circulating like the closed loop coolant will. Now I understand
> > how you

> > > might have been given a warning about a potential problem.
> > >
> > > There is probably a good reason why Stewart and Stevenson installed
> > a pan
> > > heater in your Detroit. The common place to install a generic 3208

> > coolant
> > > heater is occupied by the 2 sets of 1" npt coolant ports used by
> > the two
> > > coolant loops. I have to investigate the plug in the front of the
> > engine

> > > underneath the air compressor. I don't know if this is a coolant
> > port and,
> > > if so, what clearance is behind it.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >

> > > Donn
> > > 76FC33
> > > North Kingstown, RI
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

> > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of brad barton
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:42 PM
> > > To: wanderlodgeforum@ yahoogroups. com

> > > Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Block Heater, was: Boilers (was:
> > > Residential fridges)
> > >
> > > Mine was placed on the side of the oilpan.
> > >

> > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> > > bbartonwx@
> > >
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> > > From: billpatty@
> > > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:34:27 +0000

> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Block Heater, was: Boilers (was:
> > Residential
> > > fridges)
> > >
> > > Most block heaters, heat the coolant, not the oil,

> > School
> > > buses are
> > > plugged into power overnight.
> > >
> > > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, brad barton

> > > <bbartonwx@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All I know is what I've been told by the people who
> > > installed it-

> > > Stewart and Stevenson in Dallas. I think I also saw a
> > > mention of
> > > that earlier on this forum. I'm sure there are
> > different
> > > ratings of

> > > block heaters- some more likely to burn oil than
> > others. If
> > > this is
> > > an old wives' tale such as swimming after eating or
> > crossing
> > > your

> > > eyes, I apologize. Brad Barton 00LXiDFWbbartonwx@
> > >
> >
>