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Engine & Tranny problems 2 - truitt44@...> - 04-26-2007 03:34
On my 86 PT 40, 8V92 does the alarmstat that kicks the cooling fan in high also
turn on the squirrel
cage fan over the engine.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT 40
> From: "Leroy Eckert"
> Date: 2007/04/26 Thu AM 09:33:07 EDT
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
>
> That oil temperature is the absolute maximum allowable according to my
literature. My oil temperature routinely ran 235-240 on the flat until I made a
single change. While I haven't been able to pull a grade of any consequence I
have seen temperature reductions across the board on the analog gauges.
>
> My set up is this: The radiator. In front of that is an a/c condenser and the
oil cooler for the power steering and the hydraulic fan itself. The coolers
cover a major part of the radiator cooling surface. Water from the radiator is
dispersed to the tranny, retarder and engine oil cooler heat exchangers through
a manifold to cool the units. As water temp increases so does the temperature
of those units.
>
> Earlier model BB's with the a/c condenser on the roof have the benefit of
cooler air ( road surface temperature, and that can be very hot) passing over
the radiator(ie.ours cools the condenser first and then cools the radiator with
the same road surface air.) That indicates the air going through our radiator
is proportionately hotter than on earlier models. You can cut off the chassis
a/c or increase the air flow which you are doing with the fan override. In
theory, once water temperatures reach 195 degrees the Alarmstat should place the
fan in high mode and keep it on until temperatures back off to about 187 degrees
at which time the fan goes to idle mode. If it never gets to 187 the fan should
continue running full force and yield the same results as the fan override.
>
> I'll post my temperatures Tuesday after our run to Talladega. They will be
actual realtime temps taken off the VMSpc from the DDEC as it is receiving them.
I have been jacking around with my system through the winter and am interested
to see the results.
>
> Your cooling issue could be the Alarmstat or a combination of that and the
radiator. I am currently working on the plumbing for my radiator water flood
system just in case I need it. MH gave me that idea. If I lived in the
Mountain West I for sure would have a waterflood system to pull the mountains.
>
> I'm using a 190 degree Alarmstat now.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:56 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
>
>
> I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but with the
> fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to about 195
> when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a concern
> though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling and
> can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is reaching
> around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
> guage is either.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, Utah.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> >
> > I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up a bad
> load of fuel?
> > Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
> chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator I'll
> tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are similar.
> I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures taken from
> the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> > I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out to be
> the Alarmstat not working correctly.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ronmarabito2002
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> >
> >
> > Thanks Dan for posting the update.
> >
> > I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars poorer, but
> > not as bad as I thought it might be.
> >
> > Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
> > decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical anomolly, they
> > were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the tranny
> > light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> > departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to ignore
> > the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running just
> fine.
> >
> > I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override mode to
> > make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided that I
> > have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two other
> > cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to get
> > infra red temps around the radiator.
> >
> > The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated from the
> > bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
> >
> > Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left. We'll see
> > how long that lasts.
> >
> > Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in the
> > four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way and I
> > got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely have
> > to be replaced.
> >
> > This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle down.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf tomorrow.
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the update Dan.
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards Gallup NM.
> > > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > > >
> > > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > > >BB BMC 37'
> > > >
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this
> point,
> > > >but
> > > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked
> them to
> > > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > > >
> > > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
> repaired it.
> > > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It says
> > > >nothing
> > > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle, we
> only
> > > >got
> > > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > > >
> > > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response test and
> > > >power
> > > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
> having the
> > > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > > >
> > > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a little
> > > >while,
> > > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - ronmarabito2002 - 04-26-2007 03:51
Yes, I did this last year and have for several years. This time, when
we finish our rally at Moab, we will head over to Page, AZ and plan to
hike into Coyote Buttes area for some photography before heading back
to Dallas. We will be at Page between May 7 and 12th.
R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Currently in Monticello, Utah 7000 ft. elevation.
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "whistles_n_bells"
>
> Ron:
>
> Welcome back to Utah. Didn't you do this last year - Capitol Reef? I
> assume you're headed toward Arches (Moab). You'll have a fairly good
> drop in elevation (almost 3000'
heading up 191 between Monticello and> LaSal Junction. Monticello sits at 7000' - the little ball travels well
> at that elevation [
] . Have a safe trip.>
> Joe (Pappy) Hagan
> St. George, UT
> (Wannabe)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
>
> >
> > I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but with the
> > fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to about 195
> > when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a concern
> > though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling and
> > can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is reaching
> > around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
> > guage is either.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > Currently in Monticello, Utah.
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> > jwasnewski@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up a bad
> > load of fuel?
> > > Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
> > chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator I'll
> > tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are similar.
> > I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures taken from
> > the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> > > I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out to be
> > the Alarmstat not working correctly.
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > Niceville, FL
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: ronmarabito2002
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks Dan for posting the update.
> > >
> > > I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars poorer,
> but
> > > not as bad as I thought it might be.
> > >
> > > Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
> > > decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical anomolly,
> they
> > > were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the
> tranny
> > > light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> > > departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to ignore
> > > the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running just
> > fine.
> > >
> > > I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override mode
> to
> > > make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided that
> I
> > > have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two
> other
> > > cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to
> get
> > > infra red temps around the radiator.
> > >
> > > The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated from
> the
> > > bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
> > >
> > > Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left. We'll
> see
> > > how long that lasts.
> > >
> > > Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in the
> > > four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way
> and I
> > > got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely
> have
> > > to be replaced.
> > >
> > > This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle
> down.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf tomorrow.
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the update Dan.
> > > >
> > > > Safe travels,
> > > >
> > > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > > 84FC35
> > > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > >
> > > > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards Gallup
> NM.
> > > > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > > > >
> > > > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > > > >BB BMC 37'
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this
> > point,
> > > > >but
> > > > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked
> > them to
> > > > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
> > repaired it.
> > > > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It says
> > > > >nothing
> > > > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle, we
> > only
> > > > >got
> > > > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response test
> and
> > > > >power
> > > > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
> > having the
> > > > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a
> little
> > > > >while,
> > > > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - ronmarabito2002 - 04-26-2007 03:57
Bob: On my coach, I've been running 220 to 225 normal for years.
According to Tom Warner taking info from Detroit Manual, safe and
normal operating temps are from 200 to 250.
R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Currently in Monticello, Utah
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bloomas"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:56 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> Hi Ron Sorry to here about your problems.
> Ron I no on my bird there is no oil cooler you have a tranny
cooler and hyrdraulic oil cooler for the steering unit and radiator fan.
> If you are running your engine oil as hi as 250 degrees you going
to blow the engine in short order 210 degrees is max.I would check the
gauge and get temp.readings off the oil pan and oil filters soon.
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
>
>
> I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but with the
> fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to about 195
> when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a concern
> though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling and
> can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is reaching
> around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
> gauge is either.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, Utah.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> >
> > I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up a bad
> load of fuel?
> > Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
> chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator I'll
> tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are similar.
> I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures taken from
> the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> > I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out to be
> the Alarmstat not working correctly.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ronmarabito2002
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> >
> >
> > Thanks Dan for posting the update.
> >
> > I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars poorer, but
> > not as bad as I thought it might be.
> >
> > Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
> > decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical
anomolly, they
> > were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the
tranny
> > light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> > departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to ignore
> > the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running just
> fine.
> >
> > I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override mode to
> > make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided that I
> > have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two other
> > cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to get
> > infra red temps around the radiator.
> >
> > The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated
from the
> > bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
> >
> > Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left.
We'll see
> > how long that lasts.
> >
> > Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in the
> > four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way
and I
> > got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely have
> > to be replaced.
> >
> > This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle down.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf tomorrow.
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the update Dan.
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards
Gallup NM.
> > > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > > >
> > > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > > >BB BMC 37'
> > > >
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this
> point,
> > > >but
> > > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked
> them to
> > > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > > >
> > > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
> repaired it.
> > > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It says
> > > >nothing
> > > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle, we
> only
> > > >got
> > > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > > >
> > > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response
test and
> > > >power
> > > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
> having the
> > > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > > >
> > > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a little
> > > >while,
> > > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - ronmarabito2002 - 04-26-2007 04:12
Basically the same as mine. I may stop in Albuquerque on the way back
home and pick up another alarmstat and try that. It does work, but
allows the temp to get to 200 before it kicks in. It then takes me
back to roughly 180 degrees and goes through the cycle again.
However, when pulling a grade, it allows the water temp to get to 210
and I don't like that.
Your test is on pretty flat ground compared to what we are in
presently. Like I said, the oil temp reached 250 coming west out of
Durango, CO yesterday and it is not hot outside. Pretty good grade
but still not marked in the Western Mountain Directory.
Another thought is that I could be experiencing more blow-by and thus
heating the oil more although that would probably cause me to blow oil
out the slobber tubes, which it does not.
Transmission temps are just fine. Could be that I have a bad oil
temp. gauge or sending unit.
R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Currently in Monticello, Utah and 7000 ft. elevation.
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> That oil temperature is the absolute maximum allowable according to
my literature. My oil temperature routinely ran 235-240 on the flat
until I made a single change. While I haven't been able to pull a
grade of any consequence I have seen temperature reductions across the
board on the analog gauges.
>
> My set up is this: The radiator. In front of that is an a/c
condenser and the oil cooler for the power steering and the hydraulic
fan itself. The coolers cover a major part of the radiator cooling
surface. Water from the radiator is dispersed to the tranny, retarder
and engine oil cooler heat exchangers through a manifold to cool the
units. As water temp increases so does the temperature of those units.
>
> Earlier model BB's with the a/c condenser on the roof have the
benefit of cooler air ( road surface temperature, and that can be very
hot) passing over the radiator(ie.ours cools the condenser first and
then cools the radiator with the same road surface air.) That
indicates the air going through our radiator is proportionately
hotter than on earlier models. You can cut off the chassis a/c or
increase the air flow which you are doing with the fan override. In
theory, once water temperatures reach 195 degrees the Alarmstat should
place the fan in high mode and keep it on until temperatures back off
to about 187 degrees at which time the fan goes to idle mode. If it
never gets to 187 the fan should continue running full force and yield
the same results as the fan override.
>
> I'll post my temperatures Tuesday after our run to Talladega. They
will be actual realtime temps taken off the VMSpc from the DDEC as it
is receiving them. I have been jacking around with my system through
the winter and am interested to see the results.
>
> Your cooling issue could be the Alarmstat or a combination of that
and the radiator. I am currently working on the plumbing for my
radiator water flood system just in case I need it. MH gave me that
idea. If I lived in the Mountain West I for sure would have a
waterflood system to pull the mountains.
>
> I'm using a 190 degree Alarmstat now.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:56 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
>
>
> I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but with the
> fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to about 195
> when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a concern
> though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling and
> can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is reaching
> around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
> guage is either.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, Utah.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> >
> > I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up a bad
> load of fuel?
> > Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
> chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator I'll
> tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are similar.
> I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures taken from
> the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> > I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out to be
> the Alarmstat not working correctly.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ronmarabito2002
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> >
> >
> > Thanks Dan for posting the update.
> >
> > I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars poorer, but
> > not as bad as I thought it might be.
> >
> > Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
> > decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical
anomolly, they
> > were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the
tranny
> > light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> > departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to ignore
> > the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running just
> fine.
> >
> > I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override mode to
> > make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided that I
> > have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two other
> > cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to get
> > infra red temps around the radiator.
> >
> > The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated
from the
> > bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
> >
> > Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left.
We'll see
> > how long that lasts.
> >
> > Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in the
> > four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way
and I
> > got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely have
> > to be replaced.
> >
> > This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle down.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf tomorrow.
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the update Dan.
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards
Gallup NM.
> > > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > > >
> > > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > > >BB BMC 37'
> > > >
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this
> point,
> > > >but
> > > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked
> them to
> > > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > > >
> > > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
> repaired it.
> > > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It says
> > > >nothing
> > > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle, we
> only
> > > >got
> > > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > > >
> > > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response
test and
> > > >power
> > > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
> having the
> > > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > > >
> > > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a little
> > > >while,
> > > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - Mike Hohnstein - 04-26-2007 05:15
A couple years ago we left Lewiston going north on 95 toward Coeur d'Alene, 5
mile 6% grade, the 3208 oil started getting up around 240, turned on the sray
bar, down it went, water temp didn't get over 190 but the oil went up. I found
that interesting. This was in the toter with manual trans mind you. I try to
keep the boost around 10 #s on grades with engine speed about 2200. I got a
viscous fan on the toter, it's real smooth, don't jerk the belt when it starts
working.
MH----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:18 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
Leroy, I like the idea of the Rad irrigation system. I thought of
using grey water but Mike noted that not much water was needed. I
think you will need several sprays as the airflow dynamics will
change dramatically with a 2,000 rpm driven fan.
Fan override allow the operator to screw up the cooling system
engineering real time. I use it to keep the fan from cycling on and
off and I use it to cool the tranny on a retarder held hill decend as
I am not sure the tranny temp will turn the fan on. I ( now) always
wait for the bus to turn the fan on and keep it on via the override
if I think the road will remain hard climbing. Folks that turn the
fan on prior to a hill climb rob the ground drive of almost 10 % of
the HP that is used up running the fan. I am interested in seeing
your results Temp vs temp vs rpm at a given stress and ambient.
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> That oil temperature is the absolute maximum allowable according to
my literature. My oil temperature routinely ran 235-240 on the flat
until I made a single change. While I haven't been able to pull a
grade of any consequence I have seen temperature reductions across
the board on the analog gauges.
>
> My set up is this: The radiator. In front of that is an a/c
condenser and the oil cooler for the power steering and the hydraulic
fan itself. The coolers cover a major part of the radiator cooling
surface. Water from the radiator is dispersed to the tranny,
retarder and engine oil cooler heat exchangers through a manifold to
cool the units. As water temp increases so does the temperature of
those units.
>
> Earlier model BB's with the a/c condenser on the roof have the
benefit of cooler air ( road surface temperature, and that can be
very hot) passing over the radiator(ie.ours cools the condenser
first and then cools the radiator with the same road surface air.)
That indicates the air going through our radiator is proportionately
hotter than on earlier models. You can cut off the chassis a/c or
increase the air flow which you are doing with the fan override. In
theory, once water temperatures reach 195 degrees the Alarmstat
should place the fan in high mode and keep it on until temperatures
back off to about 187 degrees at which time the fan goes to idle
mode. If it never gets to 187 the fan should continue running full
force and yield the same results as the fan override.
>
> I'll post my temperatures Tuesday after our run to Talladega.
They will be actual realtime temps taken off the VMSpc from the DDEC
as it is receiving them. I have been jacking around with my system
through the winter and am interested to see the results.
>
> Your cooling issue could be the Alarmstat or a combination of that
and the radiator. I am currently working on the plumbing for my
radiator water flood system just in case I need it. MH gave me that
idea. If I lived in the Mountain West I for sure would have a
waterflood system to pull the mountains.
>
> I'm using a 190 degree Alarmstat now.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:56 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
>
>
> I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but
with the
> fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to about
195
> when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a concern
> though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling
and
> can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is
reaching
> around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
> guage is either.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, Utah.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> >
> > I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up a
bad
> load of fuel?
> > Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
> chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator
I'll
> tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are
similar.
> I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures taken
from
> the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> > I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out to
be
> the Alarmstat not working correctly.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ronmarabito2002
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> >
> >
> > Thanks Dan for posting the update.
> >
> > I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars
poorer, but
> > not as bad as I thought it might be.
> >
> > Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They finally
> > decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical
anomolly, they
> > were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the
tranny
> > light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> > departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to
ignore
> > the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running
just
> fine.
> >
> > I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override
mode to
> > make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided
that I
> > have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two
other
> > cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult to
get
> > infra red temps around the radiator.
> >
> > The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated
from the
> > bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
> >
> > Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left.
We'll see
> > how long that lasts.
> >
> > Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock, in
the
> > four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other way
and I
> > got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will definitely
have
> > to be replaced.
> >
> > This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things settle
down.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf
tomorrow.
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the update Dan.
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards
Gallup NM.
> > > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > > >
> > > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > > >BB BMC 37'
> > > >
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at this
> point,
> > > >but
> > > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had asked
> them to
> > > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > > >
> > > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
> repaired it.
> > > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It
says
> > > >nothing
> > > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full throttle,
we
> only
> > > >got
> > > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > > >
> > > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response
test and
> > > >power
> > > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
> having the
> > > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > > >
> > > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a
little
> > > >while,
> > > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - davidkerryedwards - 04-26-2007 09:53
Did you have a pyrometer on it? I'm curious as to whether the oil
temperature correlates more closely with EGT's than with water
temperature.
Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
<MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
>
> A couple years ago we left Lewiston going north on 95 toward Coeur
d'Alene, 5 mile 6% grade, the 3208 oil started getting up around 240,
turned on the sray bar, down it went, water temp didn't get over 190
but the oil went up. I found that interesting. This was in the toter
with manual trans mind you. I try to keep the boost around 10 #s on
grades with engine speed about 2200. I got a viscous fan on the toter,
it's real smooth, don't jerk the belt when it starts working.
> MH
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - Mike Hohnstein - 04-26-2007 16:41
Yes, I have a pyrometer.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: davidkerryedwards
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
Did you have a pyrometer on it? I'm curious as to whether the oil
temperature correlates more closely with EGT's than with water
temperature.
Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
<MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
>
> A couple years ago we left Lewiston going north on 95 toward Coeur
d'Alene, 5 mile 6% grade, the 3208 oil started getting up around 240,
turned on the sray bar, down it went, water temp didn't get over 190
but the oil went up. I found that interesting. This was in the toter
with manual trans mind you. I try to keep the boost around 10 #s on
grades with engine speed about 2200. I got a viscous fan on the toter,
it's real smooth, don't jerk the belt when it starts working.
> MH
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - wanderlodge@... - 04-26-2007 17:37
At 04:12 PM 4/26/2007 -0000, R.E. (Ron) Marabito, TX 92WB40 wrote:
>Another thought is that I could be experiencing more blow-by and thus
>heating the oil more although that would probably cause me to blow oil
>out the slobber tubes, which it does not.
>R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Hey Ron, We met once, at a rally. Still birdless.
Slobber tubes, I have heard so much about this pipe to driveway ?.
What is source of this pipe ?
Sorry if this is redundent question.
AL
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - Gregory OConnor - 04-27-2007 01:07
I wonder if humid air is a better heat sink then cool air?? Here in
California it is a common maintenance practice to pull and rod a
radiator. The Radiator size and dynamics are set up to maintain a
given range of temp. Too big a radiator, too cool a running temp is
also not desired. If your rad is blocked in core or compramized on
surface 20 or 30% I would think it could prove the 10% heat issue you
have.???? I think pulling the radiator for rodding and inspection
would never be a $waste even if it does not prove to be the cause of
your heat issue
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
>
> Basically the same as mine. I may stop in Albuquerque on the way
back
> home and pick up another alarmstat and try that. It does work, but
> allows the temp to get to 200 before it kicks in. It then takes me
> back to roughly 180 degrees and goes through the cycle again.
> However, when pulling a grade, it allows the water temp to get to
210
> and I don't like that.
>
> Your test is on pretty flat ground compared to what we are in
> presently. Like I said, the oil temp reached 250 coming west out of
> Durango, CO yesterday and it is not hot outside. Pretty good grade
> but still not marked in the Western Mountain Directory.
>
> Another thought is that I could be experiencing more blow-by and
thus
> heating the oil more although that would probably cause me to blow
oil
> out the slobber tubes, which it does not.
>
> Transmission temps are just fine. Could be that I have a bad oil
> temp. gauge or sending unit.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, Utah and 7000 ft. elevation.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
>
> >
> > That oil temperature is the absolute maximum allowable according
to
> my literature. My oil temperature routinely ran 235-240 on the flat
> until I made a single change. While I haven't been able to pull a
> grade of any consequence I have seen temperature reductions across
the
> board on the analog gauges.
> >
> > My set up is this: The radiator. In front of that is an a/c
> condenser and the oil cooler for the power steering and the
hydraulic
> fan itself. The coolers cover a major part of the radiator cooling
> surface. Water from the radiator is dispersed to the tranny,
retarder
> and engine oil cooler heat exchangers through a manifold to cool the
> units. As water temp increases so does the temperature of those
units.
> >
> > Earlier model BB's with the a/c condenser on the roof have the
> benefit of cooler air ( road surface temperature, and that can be
very
> hot) passing over the radiator(ie.ours cools the condenser first
and
> then cools the radiator with the same road surface air.) That
> indicates the air going through our radiator is proportionately
> hotter than on earlier models. You can cut off the chassis a/c or
> increase the air flow which you are doing with the fan override. In
> theory, once water temperatures reach 195 degrees the Alarmstat
should
> place the fan in high mode and keep it on until temperatures back
off
> to about 187 degrees at which time the fan goes to idle mode. If it
> never gets to 187 the fan should continue running full force and
yield
> the same results as the fan override.
> >
> > I'll post my temperatures Tuesday after our run to Talladega.
They
> will be actual realtime temps taken off the VMSpc from the DDEC as
it
> is receiving them. I have been jacking around with my system
through
> the winter and am interested to see the results.
> >
> > Your cooling issue could be the Alarmstat or a combination of that
> and the radiator. I am currently working on the plumbing for my
> radiator water flood system just in case I need it. MH gave me that
> idea. If I lived in the Mountain West I for sure would have a
> waterflood system to pull the mountains.
> >
> > I'm using a 190 degree Alarmstat now.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ronmarabito2002
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:56 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> >
> >
> > I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but
with the
> > fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to
about 195
> > when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a
concern
> > though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling
and
> > can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is
reaching
> > around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
> > guage is either.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > Currently in Monticello, Utah.
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> >
> > >
> > > I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up
a bad
> > load of fuel?
> > > Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
> > chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator
I'll
> > tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are
similar.
> > I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures
taken from
> > the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> > > I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out
to be
> > the Alarmstat not working correctly.
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > Niceville, FL
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: ronmarabito2002
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks Dan for posting the update.
> > >
> > > I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars
poorer, but
> > > not as bad as I thought it might be.
> > >
> > > Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They
finally
> > > decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical
> anomolly, they
> > > were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the
> tranny
> > > light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> > > departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to
ignore
> > > the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running
just
> > fine.
> > >
> > > I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override
mode to
> > > make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided
that I
> > > have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two
other
> > > cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult
to get
> > > infra red temps around the radiator.
> > >
> > > The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated
> from the
> > > bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
> > >
> > > Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left.
> We'll see
> > > how long that lasts.
> > >
> > > Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock,
in the
> > > four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other
way
> and I
> > > got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will
definitely have
> > > to be replaced.
> > >
> > > This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things
settle down.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf
tomorrow.
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L.
Fullenwider"
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the update Dan.
> > > >
> > > > Safe travels,
> > > >
> > > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > > 84FC35
> > > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > >
> > > > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards
> Gallup NM.
> > > > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > > > >
> > > > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > > > >BB BMC 37'
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at
this
> > point,
> > > > >but
> > > > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had
asked
> > them to
> > > > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
> > repaired it.
> > > > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It
says
> > > > >nothing
> > > > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full
throttle, we
> > only
> > > > >got
> > > > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response
> test and
> > > > >power
> > > > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
> > having the
> > > > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a
little
> > > > >while,
> > > > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Engine & Tranny problems 2 - robertnloomas - 04-27-2007 02:28
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
>
> Ron I miss spoke about the oil temp.I was thinking radiator temp.
it was to early was not awake yet.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
> Bob: On my coach, I've been running 220 to 225 normal for years.
> According to Tom Warner taking info from Detroit Manual, safe and
> normal operating temps are from 200 to 250.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, Utah
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bloomas"
wrote:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ronmarabito2002
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:56 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> > Hi Ron Sorry to here about your problems.
> > Ron I no on my bird there is no oil cooler you have a tranny
> cooler and hyrdraulic oil cooler for the steering unit and
radiator fan.
> > If you are running your engine oil as hi as 250 degrees you
going
> to blow the engine in short order 210 degrees is max.I would check
the
> gauge and get temp.readings off the oil pan and oil filters soon.
> > Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
> >
> >
> > I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but
with the
> > fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to
about 195
> > when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a
concern
> > though and could be related to part of the radiator not
cooling and
> > can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is
reaching
> > around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the
analog
> > gauge is either.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > Currently in Monticello, Utah.
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> >
> > >
> > > I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick
up a bad
> > load of fuel?
> > > Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
> > chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the
radiator I'll
> > tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are
similar.
> > I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures
taken from
> > the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> > > I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out
to be
> > the Alarmstat not working correctly.
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > Niceville, FL
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: ronmarabito2002
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks Dan for posting the update.
> > >
> > > I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars
poorer, but
> > > not as bad as I thought it might be.
> > >
> > > Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They
finally
> > > decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical
> anomolly, they
> > > were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate
the
> tranny
> > > light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made
after
> > > departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to
ignore
> > > the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running
just
> > fine.
> > >
> > > I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override
mode to
> > > make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about
decided that I
> > > have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With
two other
> > > cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult
to get
> > > infra red temps around the radiator.
> > >
> > > The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated
> from the
> > > bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
> > >
> > > Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left.
> We'll see
> > > how long that lasts.
> > >
> > > Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock,
in the
> > > four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other
way
> and I
> > > got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will
definitely have
> > > to be replaced.
> > >
> > > This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things
settle down.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf
tomorrow.
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L.
Fullenwider"
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the update Dan.
> > > >
> > > > Safe travels,
> > > >
> > > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > > 84FC35
> > > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > >
> > > > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards
> Gallup NM.
> > > > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > > > >
> > > > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > > > >BB BMC 37'
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at
this
> > point,
> > > > >but
> > > > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had
asked
> > them to
> > > > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing
it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
> > repaired it.
> > > > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss.
It says
> > > > >nothing
> > > > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full
throttle, we
> > only
> > > > >got
> > > > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response
> test and
> > > > >power
> > > > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
> > having the
> > > > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in
a little
> > > > >while,
> > > > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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