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Old men and RV ladders - pattypape - 07-29-2007 08:46 Hey Mike, Tell us about the stainless crane..... Bill 88 FC Michigan craneless --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...> wrote: > > Steve, > > I thought the discussion was about having extendable/collapsible > handrails of some sort to allow standing access to/from the ladder > on/off the roof.... regardless of the reason for getting up there. I > don't think the original discussion had anything to do with 'why' we > we needed to get on the roof, just an easier way to do so with some > support. Sure would be handy not to have to crawl on and off over the > edge like today. Now that I think about it, it wouldn't be that hard > to fabricate a couple of 1/2 - 1" stainless square "handles" that > would lay along the top rails and just pivot up and down when needed > for steady roof access. Pivot pins could attach to or go right > through the original hand rail tops (depending how you fabricate them) > and the hinge assembly would act as a stop. Hmmmm.... I think I'll go > by the shop and do some measuring. > > Mike Bulriss > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" - with mounted tire on top via stainless > crane assembly; no storage pod, but I'm sure I would fill it if it had > one! > San Antonio, TX > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, ebirder2000@ wrote: > > > > > > Let's see... we are comparing the expansive basement storage space > available > > in a 97 43' coach to the verrry limited cargo space available in a > 78 FC 33. > > > > Could there be a bigger difference? > > > > Steve Anderson (60) > > 79 FC 35 with 2 storage pods and considering another. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/29/2007 5:27:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > RoyalW1941@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Gardner, I too have encountered the problem of getting from the > > ladder to the roof and standing up. I use a kneeling pad to crawl > > onto the roof and get into a better position to stand. I find the > > rear roof air conditioner provides some help in keeping my balance > > when standing up. The best idea is to stay off the roof as much as > > possible when you get as old as I am. I have removed my roof storage > > pods so I'm not tempted to store stuff up there. But I still find > > myself up there occasionally to do maintenance. > > > > Royal Washburn > > 97 43WL > > > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ > > (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and rings. > > > Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my plan. I > > > really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It would > > > serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way as I > > > steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside rather > > > than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. > > > > > > Gardner > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ > > (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the > > ladder > > > and > > > > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the top > > to > > > hold > > > > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with nothing > > > to > > > > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. My > > > knees > > > > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time > > ain't > > > what > > > > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on that > > > little > > > > platform till I get to the roof. > > > > > > > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the top > > of > > > the > > > > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made > > > something > > > > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea of > > how > > > I > > > > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > > > > > > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I leave > > it > > > up > > > > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be either) > > > > > > > > > > > > Gardner > > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the > all-new AOL at > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Old men and RV ladders - mbulriss - 07-29-2007 09:43 Bill, The prior owner had it built. Several of the Lone Star Bird members have examined it, measured it and may have some pictures (Steve Gureasko, did you take pics?). Basically, they built a bracket that sits on top of the corner of the goat rail. Leg brackets extend down past the goat rail and are bolted below the goat rail to hold the bracket securely on the rail. In the inside corner of the bracket there is a welded in pipe. Stored on the roof is an "L" shaped pipe crane arm that slips into the corner pipe. A 5:1 hand crank winch provides lifting capability. It is all made out of stainless, except for the winch. I'll try to get some pictures next weekend and post them. Mike Bulriss 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" San Antonio, TX --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape" wrote: > > > Hey Mike, > > Tell us about the stainless crane..... > > Bill 88 FC Michigan craneless > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@> > wrote: > > > > Steve, > > > > I thought the discussion was about having extendable/collapsible > > handrails of some sort to allow standing access to/from the ladder > > on/off the roof.... regardless of the reason for getting up there. I > > don't think the original discussion had anything to do with 'why' we > > we needed to get on the roof, just an easier way to do so with some > > support. Sure would be handy not to have to crawl on and off over > the > > edge like today. Now that I think about it, it wouldn't be that > hard > > to fabricate a couple of 1/2 - 1" stainless square "handles" that > > would lay along the top rails and just pivot up and down when needed > > for steady roof access. Pivot pins could attach to or go right > > through the original hand rail tops (depending how you fabricate > them) > > and the hinge assembly would act as a stop. Hmmmm.... I think I'll > go > > by the shop and do some measuring. > > > > Mike Bulriss > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" - with mounted tire on top via stainless > > crane assembly; no storage pod, but I'm sure I would fill it if it > had > > one! > > San Antonio, TX > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, ebirder2000@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Let's see... we are comparing the expansive basement storage > space > > available > > > in a 97 43' coach to the verrry limited cargo space available in a > > 78 FC 33. > > > > > > Could there be a bigger difference? > > > > > > Steve Anderson (60) > > > 79 FC 35 with 2 storage pods and considering another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/29/2007 5:27:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > RoyalW1941@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gardner, I too have encountered the problem of getting from the > > > ladder to the roof and standing up. I use a kneeling pad to > crawl > > > onto the roof and get into a better position to stand. I find > the > > > rear roof air conditioner provides some help in keeping my > balance > > > when standing up. The best idea is to stay off the roof as much > as > > > possible when you get as old as I am. I have removed my roof > storage > > > pods so I'm not tempted to store stuff up there. But I still > find > > > myself up there occasionally to do maintenance. > > > > > > Royal Washburn > > > 97 43WL > > > > > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ > > > (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and > rings. > > > > Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my > plan. I > > > > really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It > would > > > > serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way > as I > > > > steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside > rather > > > > than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. > > > > > > > > Gardner > > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ > > > (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the > > > ladder > > > > and > > > > > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the > top > > > to > > > > hold > > > > > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with > nothing > > > > to > > > > > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. > My > > > > knees > > > > > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time > > > ain't > > > > what > > > > > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on > that > > > > little > > > > > platform till I get to the roof. > > > > > > > > > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the > top > > > of > > > > the > > > > > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made > > > > something > > > > > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea > of > > > how > > > > I > > > > > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I > leave > > > it > > > > up > > > > > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be > either) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gardner > > > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the > > all-new AOL at > > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Old men and RV ladders - bubblerboy64 - 07-29-2007 09:47 Something that works like an extension ladder would be the nuts. I think there would be a real market for it. I know my intension is to stay off the roof as much as possible. If fact I took down all the "stuff" the previous owner had up there. I just found getting up and over entirely too difficult being not only old but short and fat. John Heckman Central Pa 1973 FC > > > Hey Mike, > > Tell us about the stainless crane..... > > Bill 88 FC Michigan craneless > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@> > wrote: > > > > Steve, > > > > I thought the discussion was about having extendable/collapsible > > handrails of some sort to allow standing access to/from the ladder > > on/off the roof.... regardless of the reason for getting up there. I > > don't think the original discussion had anything to do with 'why' we > > we needed to get on the roof, just an easier way to do so with some > > support. Sure would be handy not to have to crawl on and off over > the > > edge like today. Now that I think about it, it wouldn't be that > hard > > to fabricate a couple of 1/2 - 1" stainless square "handles" that > > would lay along the top rails and just pivot up and down when needed > > for steady roof access. Pivot pins could attach to or go right > > through the original hand rail tops (depending how you fabricate > them) > > and the hinge assembly would act as a stop. Hmmmm.... I think I'll > go > > by the shop and do some measuring. > > > > Mike Bulriss > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" - with mounted tire on top via stainless > > crane assembly; no storage pod, but I'm sure I would fill it if it > had > > one! > > San Antonio, TX > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, ebirder2000@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Let's see... we are comparing the expansive basement storage > space > > available > > > in a 97 43' coach to the verrry limited cargo space available in a > > 78 FC 33. > > > > > > Could there be a bigger difference? > > > > > > Steve Anderson (60) > > > 79 FC 35 with 2 storage pods and considering another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/29/2007 5:27:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > RoyalW1941@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gardner, I too have encountered the problem of getting from the > > > ladder to the roof and standing up. I use a kneeling pad to > crawl > > > onto the roof and get into a better position to stand. I find > the > > > rear roof air conditioner provides some help in keeping my > balance > > > when standing up. The best idea is to stay off the roof as much > as > > > possible when you get as old as I am. I have removed my roof > storage > > > pods so I'm not tempted to store stuff up there. But I still > find > > > myself up there occasionally to do maintenance. > > > > > > Royal Washburn > > > 97 43WL > > > > > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ > > > (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and > rings. > > > > Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my > plan. I > > > > really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It > would > > > > serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way > as I > > > > steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside > rather > > > > than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. > > > > > > > > Gardner > > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ > > > (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the > > > ladder > > > > and > > > > > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the > top > > > to > > > > hold > > > > > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with > nothing > > > > to > > > > > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. > My > > > > knees > > > > > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time > > > ain't > > > > what > > > > > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on > that > > > > little > > > > > platform till I get to the roof. > > > > > > > > > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the > top > > > of > > > > the > > > > > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made > > > > something > > > > > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea > of > > > how > > > > I > > > > > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I > leave > > > it > > > > up > > > > > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be > either) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gardner > > > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the > > all-new AOL at > > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Old men and RV ladders - erniecarpet@... - 07-29-2007 10:16 In a message dated 7/29/2007 7:04:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, sgureasko@... writes: Hope to see you in Blanco. I have thoughly sealed the bottom of the coach and am carrying oars and maybe an outboard motor, if I can mount it somewhere Steve- what thrust is your outboard?? Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Livingston, Mt --Yellowstone river getting lower and lower due to no snowpack/rain ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Old men and RV ladders - patticake592000 - 07-29-2007 13:58 If you look at the new Ford SuperDuty trucks, the new tail gate is just what we need to look at. It has a pole that stands up and locks in place so you can use it to pull your self up. Also has a step that pulls out of the tail gate and swings down. Mike, I have the pictures. I also have the material to build. Just waiting on my welder to get free time. Hope to see you in Blanco. I have thoughly sealed the bottom of the coach and am carrying oars and maybe an outboard motor, if I can mount it somewhere. Steve Gureasko 90WB40 Jus Chillin Ponchatoula, La. Old men and RV ladders - mbulriss - 07-29-2007 14:51 Ernie, Water level here in the acquifer is less than 3' from the all time record high. We've had more rain so far in 2007 than in all of 2005 and 2006 combined. Flash floods are a way of live since May. One Boy Scout Troop camped along side a local river lost 5 vehicles and all tents and supplies about a week ago, but no one died. One Boy Scout was quoted as saying they barely had time to get out of the tents when they heard the roar! So where's the Lone Star Bird Rally event in Blanco in two weeks? -- Yup, on the low bank of a local river! Mike Bulriss 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" San Antonio, TX --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote: > > Mike- how is the water level around your parts? Dry here, Yellowstone is low > and muddy. > > Ernie Ekberg > 83PT40 > Livingston, Mt > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Old men and RV ladders - mbulriss - 07-29-2007 14:55 Steve, That Ford tail gate pole is pretty much what I was thinking about as a ladder extension for the Bird. As for the LSB Rally in Blanco, bring your water wings - just in case! Mike Bulriss 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" San Antonio, TX --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "patticake592000" <sgureasko@...> wrote: > If you look at the new Ford SuperDuty trucks, the new tail gate > is just what we need to look at. It has a pole that stands up and > locks in place so you can use it to pull your self up. Also has > a step that pulls out of the tail gate and swings down. > > > > Mike, > I have the pictures. I also have the material to build. > Just waiting on my welder to get free time. > Hope to see you in Blanco. I have thoughly sealed the bottom > of the coach and am carrying oars and maybe an outboard motor, > if I can mount it somewhere. > > Steve Gureasko > 90WB40 Jus Chillin > Ponchatoula, La. > Old men and RV ladders - erniecarpet@... - 07-29-2007 20:18 Hope all have a good time at the Blanco rally. Wish we could attend. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Livingston, Mt ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Old men and RV ladders - Gardner Yeaw - 07-30-2007 10:47 Jack, I could always hook it on my belt and hoist myself up! But it needs to lay down so I don't catch low hanging power wires and bridges. What would be really nice is an air or electric operated platform I could stand on and just ride to the top. I'd bet there would be a market for that considering the larger high end motorhomes they sell today. It could probably be done for $1000 or less. It sure would make carying those seldom used items up to the roof a bit easier. Gardner 78FC33 (Just dreaming) --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith" > > I just thought of this while reading the post.. Why not install a > Hoist, (as from Harbor Freight) near the goat rail & the platform? > Shouldn't be too hard to engineer. It would give you something to > hang onto, and think of all the Junk the Wife would find to cart home! > > Has anyone tried to build an indoor stairway and Rooftop Viewing Deck > like SeeYa (i think) did a couple of years ago? > Jack Smith > 1973FC31 > SoCal > ==================================================================== > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hayden" > > > > > Gardner, > > I once say a ladder top extension on a '89FC I was looking at in So. > CA. It looked like it was an original BB option and slid up the > existing ladder and locked into place. Then would slide back down to > store. It gave you something to hang on to till you were on top. The > way it was designed, it was part of the ladder. I've never seen one > like it before or since but I think it was a good idea. > > > > Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gardner Yeaw > > To: > WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 6:46 PM > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Old men and RV ladders > > > > > > > > Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and rings. > > Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my plan. I > > really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It would > > serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way as I > > steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside rather > > than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. > > > > Gardner > > 78FC33 > > > > --- In > WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > "Gardner Yeaw" > > wrote: > > > > > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the ladder > > and > > > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the top to > > hold > > > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with nothing > > to > > > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. My > > knees > > > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time ain't > > what > > > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on that > > little > > > platform till I get to the roof. > > > > > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the top of > > the > > > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made > > something > > > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea of how > > I > > > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > > > > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I leave it > > up > > > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be either) > > > > > > > > > Gardner > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Old men and RV ladders - Jack & Donna Smith - 07-30-2007 16:51 Gardner:...I still like the indoor stairway idea... Hard to get the Wife to climb the ladder :-( There are a couple of Forum Members who have the Folding Hoist on their coaches.. Might even be some pics in the file. Your mention of electric wires reminds me of when I worked for the Power Co. We had a car hit a pole and dropped a Guy Wire across the highway. Well, along comes this MotorHome......Took both A/Cs off slick as can be... Jack Smith 1973FC31 SoCal ================================================================== --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw" wrote: > > Jack, > I could always hook it on my belt and hoist myself up! But it needs > to lay down so I don't catch low hanging power wires and bridges. > What would be really nice is an air or electric operated platform I > could stand on and just ride to the top. I'd bet there would be a > market for that considering the larger high end motorhomes they sell > today. It could probably be done for $1000 or less. It sure would > make carying those seldom used items up to the roof a bit easier. > > Gardner > 78FC33 (Just dreaming) > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith" > > > > > I just thought of this while reading the post.. Why not install a > > Hoist, (as from Harbor Freight) near the goat rail & the platform? > > Shouldn't be too hard to engineer. It would give you something to > > hang onto, and think of all the Junk the Wife would find to cart > home! > > > > Has anyone tried to build an indoor stairway and Rooftop Viewing > Deck > > like SeeYa (i think) did a couple of years ago? > > Jack Smith > > 1973FC31 > > SoCal > > ==================================================================== > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hayden" > > > > > > > > Gardner, > > > I once say a ladder top extension on a '89FC I was looking at in > So. > > CA. It looked like it was an original BB option and slid up the > > existing ladder and locked into place. Then would slide back down > to > > store. It gave you something to hang on to till you were on top. > The > > way it was designed, it was part of the ladder. I've never seen one > > like it before or since but I think it was a good idea. > > > > > > Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Gardner Yeaw > > > To: > > > WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 6:46 PM > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Old men and RV ladders > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and > rings. > > > Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my > plan. I > > > really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It > would > > > serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way as > I > > > steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside > rather > > > than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. > > > > > > Gardner > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > --- In > > > WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > "Gardner Yeaw" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the > ladder > > > and > > > > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the > top to > > > hold > > > > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with > nothing > > > to > > > > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. > My > > > knees > > > > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time > ain't > > > what > > > > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on that > > > little > > > > platform till I get to the roof. > > > > > > > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the top > of > > > the > > > > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made > > > something > > > > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea > of how > > > I > > > > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > > > > > > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I leave > it > > > up > > > > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be > either) > > > > > > > > > > > > Gardner > > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > |