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91 SP on Ebay - Henry Jay Hannigan - 12-21-2007 10:14
---Mike:
Small world, I owned a porsche 911E 1971...silver, black leather
interior..sold it in 1977 much to my regret...it was a great
car...left a corvette in my dust on an interstate one time. It was
difficult to hold the pedal to the floor in all five gears....What a
great machine......wish I had it now......oh well
Regards,
Hank
90SP36
In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...> wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Juergen
> wrote:
> >I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires you
> >as the owner to understand it, obey it, and take care of it.
> >Thats its ORDER. Jawohl.
>
> Juergen,
>
> This cracked me up and brought back memories of a Porsche I had
once.
> I owned a Corvette and a Porsche at the same time. One just ran
and
> ran and ran (like my Bird!). The other required a visit to the
clinic
> every quarter as the seasons changed to adjust the brain box so that
> it ran well. They were really nice German speaking gentlemen that
> wore white lab coats and send me greeting cards every holiday. The
> $60 tiny fiber washer for the gas pedal linkage ended my love affair
> with German anything.....
>
> Thanks for stirring the memories!
>
> LOL!
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX - off to South Padre in hours!!! Yee-haw!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Juergen
> wrote:
> >
> > John and Scott
> > My 91 SP has a ZF tranny. While it is NOT hard to find a ZF shop
to
> fix the tranny, it is hard to get to one because there are so few in
> the US. The East coast has 2 shops. One in North Philadelphia, PA
and
> the other in Ft. Myers, FL.. Then Chicago, well you cansee they are
> hard to to get to. The reason for so few shops is mainly that the
> tranny just doesn't break down as much as the Allison. When I was
> towed once because my tranny failed to engage, it turned out to be
> BB's superior electrical wiring that caused my problem. Low Voltage
to
> the ECU. I asked the ZF tech in Philly if he ever had a ZF tranny
shot
> in a motorhome and he said never. If they do break, its usually
either
> neglect, or bad maintenance. Taking care of the ZF is simple and
> doesn't need much help.
> > I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires you
as
> the owner to understand it, obey it, and take care of it. Thats its
> ORDER. Jawohl.
> > Really, my tranny works great, just keep the filter($$$) and fluid
> clean, and not overheat or cook it to death.
> > Juergen in PA
> > 1991 WLSP36
> > Scott Forman <sforman@> wrote: John,
> >
> > There are many opinions about the DD vs the Cat, some swear by
each.
> > When I was considering an SP before I bought my PT, the advice I
got
> > was not so much about the Cat, but about the ZF tranny. They do
not
> > have the track record of the Allison and I have been told
finding a
> > ZF-certified shop is much harder.
> >
> > I am sure the SP owners here can offer "first-hand" experience,
I am
> > only passing on info I received from a close friend who owns a
large
> > diesel shop here in Memphis. FWIW
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > 86 PT38
> > Memphis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
Mobile.
> Try it now.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
91 SP on Ebay - Leroy A. Eckert - 12-21-2007 11:05
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...> wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Juergen
> wrote:
> >I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires you
> >as the owner to understand it, obey it, and take care of it.
> >Thats its ORDER. Jawohl.
>
> Juergen,
>
I don't know Mike, my old Mercedes 280E ain't fast but it keeps on
keeping on. Down in SP don't leave the main awning out. lol Pick up
some cheap good shrimp at Dirty whatchamacallit. Fred's???. Merry
Christmas.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion
> This cracked me up and brought back memories of a Porsche I had once.
> I owned a Corvette and a Porsche at the same time. One just ran and
> ran and ran (like my Bird!). The other required a visit to the clinic
> every quarter as the seasons changed to adjust the brain box so that
> it ran well. They were really nice German speaking gentlemen that
> wore white lab coats and send me greeting cards every holiday. The
> $60 tiny fiber washer for the gas pedal linkage ended my love affair
> with German anything.....
>
> Thanks for stirring the memories!
>
> LOL!
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX - off to South Padre in hours!!! Yee-haw!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Juergen
> wrote:
> >
> > John and Scott
> > My 91 SP has a ZF tranny. While it is NOT hard to find a ZF shop to
> fix the tranny, it is hard to get to one because there are so few in
> the US. The East coast has 2 shops. One in North Philadelphia, PA and
> the other in Ft. Myers, FL.. Then Chicago, well you cansee they are
> hard to to get to. The reason for so few shops is mainly that the
> tranny just doesn't break down as much as the Allison. When I was
> towed once because my tranny failed to engage, it turned out to be
> BB's superior electrical wiring that caused my problem. Low Voltage to
> the ECU. I asked the ZF tech in Philly if he ever had a ZF tranny shot
> in a motorhome and he said never. If they do break, its usually either
> neglect, or bad maintenance. Taking care of the ZF is simple and
> doesn't need much help.
> > I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires you as
> the owner to understand it, obey it, and take care of it. Thats its
> ORDER. Jawohl.
> > Really, my tranny works great, just keep the filter($$$) and fluid
> clean, and not overheat or cook it to death.
> > Juergen in PA
> > 1991 WLSP36
> > Scott Forman <sforman@> wrote: John,
> >
> > There are many opinions about the DD vs the Cat, some swear by
each.
> > When I was considering an SP before I bought my PT, the advice I got
> > was not so much about the Cat, but about the ZF tranny. They do not
> > have the track record of the Allison and I have been told finding a
> > ZF-certified shop is much harder.
> >
> > I am sure the SP owners here can offer "first-hand" experience, I am
> > only passing on info I received from a close friend who owns a large
> > diesel shop here in Memphis. FWIW
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > 86 PT38
> > Memphis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
> Try it now.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
91 SP on Ebay - Jack & Donna Smith - 12-21-2007 12:10
Hank, My bird is on gasoline and converting it sounds interesting. A
lot of the transit busses here advertise they "Burn Clean Natural Gas"..
Several years ago, we were in the Netherlands for awhile and used a
626 Mazda that could use either Gasoline or "AUTOGAS" which I assume
was Propane.. Nice setup.
Jack Smith
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
>
> ---John:
> I imagine your bird is gasoline. If yes, recommend you consider
> putting it on LPG. That way you could run it on either gasoline or
> LPG.
> In Australia, the government is trying to put more cars on LPG by
> giving them $2000 to convert. I just converted my Mitsubishi
> campervan for $2100 and we got back $2000...a good deal as LPG costs
> 56 cents a liter and petro(gasoline) costs $1.40 per liter. Quite a
> savings. USA has always enjoyed cheap gas but that is
> changing.........all u need is a conversion kit that goes over the
> carby and some hose and a tank...probably some great Australian web
> sites on it(.com.au). I have an 80 liter tank but the bird could have
> a much bigger one. There is NO noticable decrease in power to me
> from LPG to petrol.
>
> I am off subject but when u said rally and the heading was SP's...I
> thought maybe we should have an SP rally sometime. there should be
> plenty of SP's out there as Bluebird built them for four
> years.....ANY interst out there???
> Regards,
> Hank Hannigan & Naty
> 90SP36(stored in Vegas for now)
>
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Juergen, Thanks for the information and I enjoyed the obvious humor
> > in your post. I would love to get to a rally of the BB's some time
> > to see what we are all talking about. To have a chance to examine
> > what others have done and to compare models and years etc. I have
> > this idea that I don't want anything bigger then what I own now but
> > I do see some advantage to the quieter pusher engines with perhaps
> > an extra couple horse power. So I guess in the back of my mind I am
> > at least considering the possibility of a move at some point
> (aren't
> > we all)? Its like in the best of marriages a guy still looks
> doesn't
> > he? If for no other reason then to feel good about the one he has.
> > So not wanting a 40 footer it takes me back to the BMC coaches and
> > the specials. I know everyone has their opinions on the pro's and
> > con's on all of this and I am just at the edge of the learning
> > curve. So I am interested in any opinions or suggestions in all of
> > this.
> >
> > I too would like to wish all of you the best of holiday seasons and
> > again I thank you for the help given last year with my transition
> > from wantabe to proud owner of "The Big Napper" I am waiting for
> > the cabinet maker to finish and install the drawer fronts and then
> I
> > will post pictures of my restored interior. For a "college boy"
> with
> > no practical experience I am proud of what I have done. The wall
> > paper on the brown formica walls really worked out rather well and
> > in my opinion looks great and brightened up the inside of the bus.
> I
> > constantly get positive comments. The ladies seem to be more
> > impressed then the men or at least they are the ones who approach
> me
> > and make comments. Typically the question goes something like: "Is
> > that an old bus or a new one?" They are confused because the lines
> > of course look old but with the new paint it looks too new to be
> > old. So its really been working out great for me. I've put about
> > 4000 miles on it and I can honestly say I have not had one "fixit"
> > that the previous owner didn't inform me of. Not to say that down
> > the road something couldn't happen but I don't think I could have
> > gotten a better deal or a better coach for what I have invested in
> > this one. Lots and lots of hours spent but that also was what I
> > intended. Next year I want to try to get all the gages working. I
> > have a bunch that do not. I will need some hand holding on that so
> > if any of you have experience with the electrics of these ole FC's
> I
> > may need to bend your ears some. I had the dash a part enough to
> get
> > it cleaned up and painted and I seen a bunch of wire splicing has
> > been done so I have some work cut out to get all that figured out.
> > But its like the rest of it. Time and learning as ya go.
> >
> > John Heckman
> > central Pa
> > 1973 FC
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > John and Scott
> > > My 91 SP has a ZF tranny. While it is NOT hard to find a ZF shop
> > to fix the tranny, it is hard to get to one because there are so
> few
> > in the US. The East coast has 2 shops. One in North Philadelphia,
> PA
> > and the other in Ft. Myers, FL.. Then Chicago, well you cansee they
> > are hard to to get to. The reason for so few shops is mainly that
> > the tranny just doesn't break down as much as the Allison. When I
> > was towed once because my tranny failed to engage, it turned out to
> > be BB's superior electrical wiring that caused my problem. Low
> > Voltage to the ECU. I asked the ZF tech in Philly if he ever had a
> > ZF tranny shot in a motorhome and he said never. If they do break,
> > its usually either neglect, or bad maintenance. Taking care of the
> > ZF is simple and doesn't need much help.
> > > I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires you
> > as the owner to understand it, obey it, and take care of it. Thats
> > its ORDER. Jawohl.
> > > Really, my tranny works great, just keep the filter($$$) and
> fluid
> > clean, and not overheat or cook it to death.
> > > Juergen in PA
> > > 1991 WLSP36
> > > Scott Forman <sforman@> wrote:
> > John,
> > >
> > > There are many opinions about the DD vs the Cat, some swear by
> > each.
> > > When I was considering an SP before I bought my PT, the advice I
> > got
> > > was not so much about the Cat, but about the ZF tranny. They do
> > not
> > > have the track record of the Allison and I have been told
> finding
> > a
> > > ZF-certified shop is much harder.
> > >
> > > I am sure the SP owners here can offer "first-hand" experience,
> I
> > am
> > > only passing on info I received from a close friend who owns a
> > large
> > > diesel shop here in Memphis. FWIW
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 86 PT38
> > > Memphis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
> > Mobile. Try it now.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
91 SP on Ebay - Mike Hohnstein - 12-21-2007 12:39
Jack, there is a down side, loss of power compared to gasoline. Not a lot, but
you don't have a lot to lose.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack & Donna Smith
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 91 SP on Ebay
Hank, My bird is on gasoline and converting it sounds interesting. A
lot of the transit busses here advertise they "Burn Clean Natural Gas"..
Several years ago, we were in the Netherlands for awhile and used a
626 Mazda that could use either Gasoline or "AUTOGAS" which I assume
was Propane.. Nice setup.
Jack Smith
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
>
> ---John:
> I imagine your bird is gasoline. If yes, recommend you consider
> putting it on LPG. That way you could run it on either gasoline or
> LPG.
> In Australia, the government is trying to put more cars on LPG by
> giving them $2000 to convert. I just converted my Mitsubishi
> campervan for $2100 and we got back $2000...a good deal as LPG costs
> 56 cents a liter and petro(gasoline) costs $1.40 per liter. Quite a
> savings. USA has always enjoyed cheap gas but that is
> changing.........all u need is a conversion kit that goes over the
> carby and some hose and a tank...probably some great Australian web
> sites on it(.com.au). I have an 80 liter tank but the bird could have
> a much bigger one. There is NO noticable decrease in power to me
> from LPG to petrol.
>
> I am off subject but when u said rally and the heading was SP's...I
> thought maybe we should have an SP rally sometime. there should be
> plenty of SP's out there as Bluebird built them for four
> years.....ANY interst out there???
> Regards,
> Hank Hannigan & Naty
> 90SP36(stored in Vegas for now)
>
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Juergen, Thanks for the information and I enjoyed the obvious humor
> > in your post. I would love to get to a rally of the BB's some time
> > to see what we are all talking about. To have a chance to examine
> > what others have done and to compare models and years etc. I have
> > this idea that I don't want anything bigger then what I own now but
> > I do see some advantage to the quieter pusher engines with perhaps
> > an extra couple horse power. So I guess in the back of my mind I am
> > at least considering the possibility of a move at some point
> (aren't
> > we all)? Its like in the best of marriages a guy still looks
> doesn't
> > he? If for no other reason then to feel good about the one he has.
> > So not wanting a 40 footer it takes me back to the BMC coaches and
> > the specials. I know everyone has their opinions on the pro's and
> > con's on all of this and I am just at the edge of the learning
> > curve. So I am interested in any opinions or suggestions in all of
> > this.
> >
> > I too would like to wish all of you the best of holiday seasons and
> > again I thank you for the help given last year with my transition
> > from wantabe to proud owner of "The Big Napper" I am waiting for
> > the cabinet maker to finish and install the drawer fronts and then
> I
> > will post pictures of my restored interior. For a "college boy"
> with
> > no practical experience I am proud of what I have done. The wall
> > paper on the brown formica walls really worked out rather well and
> > in my opinion looks great and brightened up the inside of the bus.
> I
> > constantly get positive comments. The ladies seem to be more
> > impressed then the men or at least they are the ones who approach
> me
> > and make comments. Typically the question goes something like: "Is
> > that an old bus or a new one?" They are confused because the lines
> > of course look old but with the new paint it looks too new to be
> > old. So its really been working out great for me. I've put about
> > 4000 miles on it and I can honestly say I have not had one "fixit"
> > that the previous owner didn't inform me of. Not to say that down
> > the road something couldn't happen but I don't think I could have
> > gotten a better deal or a better coach for what I have invested in
> > this one. Lots and lots of hours spent but that also was what I
> > intended. Next year I want to try to get all the gages working. I
> > have a bunch that do not. I will need some hand holding on that so
> > if any of you have experience with the electrics of these ole FC's
> I
> > may need to bend your ears some. I had the dash a part enough to
> get
> > it cleaned up and painted and I seen a bunch of wire splicing has
> > been done so I have some work cut out to get all that figured out.
> > But its like the rest of it. Time and learning as ya go.
> >
> > John Heckman
> > central Pa
> > 1973 FC
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > John and Scott
> > > My 91 SP has a ZF tranny. While it is NOT hard to find a ZF shop
> > to fix the tranny, it is hard to get to one because there are so
> few
> > in the US. The East coast has 2 shops. One in North Philadelphia,
> PA
> > and the other in Ft. Myers, FL.. Then Chicago, well you cansee they
> > are hard to to get to. The reason for so few shops is mainly that
> > the tranny just doesn't break down as much as the Allison. When I
> > was towed once because my tranny failed to engage, it turned out to
> > be BB's superior electrical wiring that caused my problem. Low
> > Voltage to the ECU. I asked the ZF tech in Philly if he ever had a
> > ZF tranny shot in a motorhome and he said never. If they do break,
> > its usually either neglect, or bad maintenance. Taking care of the
> > ZF is simple and doesn't need much help.
> > > I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires you
> > as the owner to understand it, obey it, and take care of it. Thats
> > its ORDER. Jawohl.
> > > Really, my tranny works great, just keep the filter($$$) and
> fluid
> > clean, and not overheat or cook it to death.
> > > Juergen in PA
> > > 1991 WLSP36
> > > Scott Forman <sforman@> wrote:
> > John,
> > >
> > > There are many opinions about the DD vs the Cat, some swear by
> > each.
> > > When I was considering an SP before I bought my PT, the advice I
> > got
> > > was not so much about the Cat, but about the ZF tranny. They do
> > not
> > > have the track record of the Allison and I have been told
> finding
> > a
> > > ZF-certified shop is much harder.
> > >
> > > I am sure the SP owners here can offer "first-hand" experience,
> I
> > am
> > > only passing on info I received from a close friend who owns a
> > large
> > > diesel shop here in Memphis. FWIW
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 86 PT38
> > > Memphis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
> > Mobile. Try it now.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
91 SP on Ebay - Henry Jay Hannigan - 12-21-2007 16:33
---JACK:
Pretty common here. I imagine half the cars are on "duel fuel."
Sure is great savings when we go to the pump to refuel. Those poor
souls burning gasoline at three times the cost..ugh!!!
It may get popular in USA if petro goes much higher.
LOL
Hank
90SP36
In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith"
>
> Hank, My bird is on gasoline and converting it sounds
interesting. A
> lot of the transit busses here advertise they "Burn Clean Natural
Gas"..
> Several years ago, we were in the Netherlands for awhile and used a
> 626 Mazda that could use either Gasoline or "AUTOGAS" which I assume
> was Propane.. Nice setup.
> Jack Smith
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
>
> >
> > ---John:
> > I imagine your bird is gasoline. If yes, recommend you consider
> > putting it on LPG. That way you could run it on either gasoline
or
> > LPG.
> > In Australia, the government is trying to put more cars on LPG by
> > giving them $2000 to convert. I just converted my Mitsubishi
> > campervan for $2100 and we got back $2000...a good deal as LPG
costs
> > 56 cents a liter and petro(gasoline) costs $1.40 per liter.
Quite a
> > savings. USA has always enjoyed cheap gas but that is
> > changing.........all u need is a conversion kit that goes over
the
> > carby and some hose and a tank...probably some great Australian
web
> > sites on it(.com.au). I have an 80 liter tank but the bird could
have
> > a much bigger one. There is NO noticable decrease in power to me
> > from LPG to petrol.
> >
> > I am off subject but when u said rally and the heading was
SP's...I
> > thought maybe we should have an SP rally sometime. there should
be
> > plenty of SP's out there as Bluebird built them for four
> > years.....ANY interst out there???
> > Regards,
> > Hank Hannigan & Naty
> > 90SP36(stored in Vegas for now)
> >
> >
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Juergen, Thanks for the information and I enjoyed the obvious
humor
> > > in your post. I would love to get to a rally of the BB's some
time
> > > to see what we are all talking about. To have a chance to
examine
> > > what others have done and to compare models and years etc. I
have
> > > this idea that I don't want anything bigger then what I own now
but
> > > I do see some advantage to the quieter pusher engines with
perhaps
> > > an extra couple horse power. So I guess in the back of my mind
I am
> > > at least considering the possibility of a move at some point
> > (aren't
> > > we all)? Its like in the best of marriages a guy still looks
> > doesn't
> > > he? If for no other reason then to feel good about the one he
has.
> > > So not wanting a 40 footer it takes me back to the BMC coaches
and
> > > the specials. I know everyone has their opinions on the pro's
and
> > > con's on all of this and I am just at the edge of the learning
> > > curve. So I am interested in any opinions or suggestions in all
of
> > > this.
> > >
> > > I too would like to wish all of you the best of holiday seasons
and
> > > again I thank you for the help given last year with my
transition
> > > from wantabe to proud owner of "The Big Napper" I am waiting
for
> > > the cabinet maker to finish and install the drawer fronts and
then
> > I
> > > will post pictures of my restored interior. For a "college boy"
> > with
> > > no practical experience I am proud of what I have done. The
wall
> > > paper on the brown formica walls really worked out rather well
and
> > > in my opinion looks great and brightened up the inside of the
bus.
> > I
> > > constantly get positive comments. The ladies seem to be more
> > > impressed then the men or at least they are the ones who
approach
> > me
> > > and make comments. Typically the question goes something
like: "Is
> > > that an old bus or a new one?" They are confused because the
lines
> > > of course look old but with the new paint it looks too new to
be
> > > old. So its really been working out great for me. I've put
about
> > > 4000 miles on it and I can honestly say I have not had
one "fixit"
> > > that the previous owner didn't inform me of. Not to say that
down
> > > the road something couldn't happen but I don't think I could
have
> > > gotten a better deal or a better coach for what I have invested
in
> > > this one. Lots and lots of hours spent but that also was what I
> > > intended. Next year I want to try to get all the gages working.
I
> > > have a bunch that do not. I will need some hand holding on that
so
> > > if any of you have experience with the electrics of these ole
FC's
> > I
> > > may need to bend your ears some. I had the dash a part enough
to
> > get
> > > it cleaned up and painted and I seen a bunch of wire splicing
has
> > > been done so I have some work cut out to get all that figured
out.
> > > But its like the rest of it. Time and learning as ya go.
> > >
> > > John Heckman
> > > central Pa
> > > 1973 FC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > John and Scott
> > > > My 91 SP has a ZF tranny. While it is NOT hard to find a ZF
shop
> > > to fix the tranny, it is hard to get to one because there are
so
> > few
> > > in the US. The East coast has 2 shops. One in North
Philadelphia,
> > PA
> > > and the other in Ft. Myers, FL.. Then Chicago, well you cansee
they
> > > are hard to to get to. The reason for so few shops is mainly
that
> > > the tranny just doesn't break down as much as the Allison. When
I
> > > was towed once because my tranny failed to engage, it turned
out to
> > > be BB's superior electrical wiring that caused my problem. Low
> > > Voltage to the ECU. I asked the ZF tech in Philly if he ever
had a
> > > ZF tranny shot in a motorhome and he said never. If they do
break,
> > > its usually either neglect, or bad maintenance. Taking care of
the
> > > ZF is simple and doesn't need much help.
> > > > I guess that by being a german built transmission it requires
you
> > > as the owner to understand it, obey it, and take care of it.
Thats
> > > its ORDER. Jawohl.
> > > > Really, my tranny works great, just keep the filter($$$) and
> > fluid
> > > clean, and not overheat or cook it to death.
> > > > Juergen in PA
> > > > 1991 WLSP36
> > > > Scott Forman <sforman@> wrote:
> > > John,
> > > >
> > > > There are many opinions about the DD vs the Cat, some swear
by
> > > each.
> > > > When I was considering an SP before I bought my PT, the
advice I
> > > got
> > > > was not so much about the Cat, but about the ZF tranny.
They do
> > > not
> > > > have the track record of the Allison and I have been told
> > finding
> > > a
> > > > ZF-certified shop is much harder.
> > > >
> > > > I am sure the SP owners here can offer "first-hand"
experience,
> > I
> > > am
> > > > only passing on info I received from a close friend who owns
a
> > > large
> > > > diesel shop here in Memphis. FWIW
> > > >
> > > > Scott Forman
> > > > 86 PT38
> > > > Memphis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
> > > Mobile. Try it now.
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
91 SP on Ebay - birdshill123 - 12-22-2007 12:54
Hank:
Running one of the old Birds on propane would be a recipe for disaster.
They do not have hardened valve seats and propane would drive the seats
so far into the heads you would need a search and rescue team to find
them!!! Propane also does not have the same BTU's per gallon as gas and
is not as available.
Bruce
1988Fc35
91 SP on Ebay - Henry Jay Hannigan - 12-23-2007 13:58
---BRUCE: you gave two of ten reasons why it cant be done. Were you in
the Army or government?? Just kidding! a little humor!
I imagine the 73 BIRD has a FORD engine and if it needs a valve job, it
would be a good time to "reinforce" the seats and all that
mechanics "stuff" before he puts it on LPG or as we call it
here.."autogas."
It can be done. USA is a bit "brainwashed" against "autogas"
by "someone."
Many buses in the USA are on "autogas." Sure supply is limited, that's
why it would be on "duel" fuel.
Anyway...have a Happy Holiday season.
Regards,
Hank Hannigan
In Sidney, Aus on "autogas"
90SP36(stored in Vegas)
In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
>
> Hank:
>
> Running one of the old Birds on propane would be a recipe for
disaster.
> They do not have hardened valve seats and propane would drive the
seats
> so far into the heads you would need a search and rescue team to find
> them!!! Propane also does not have the same BTU's per gallon as gas
and
> is not as available.
>
> Bruce
> 1988Fc35
>
91 SP on Ebay - Peter T. Arnold - 12-23-2007 23:59
I had a duel fuel in my old Holiday M/H. About 1978. I would suck
the propane tank dry in very short time. The Chrsler 440 ran fine,
about 10% less power.
I would not advise it, your range would be limited compounde by the
fact that refueling places at hard to find.
MAkes more sense to retrofit a small diesel, anyone done that?
--
Regards,
Peter T. Arnold
2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems!
1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi
1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
is!On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:54:08 -0000, you wrote:
>Hank:
>
>Running one of the old Birds on propane would be a recipe for disaster.
>They do not have hardened valve seats and propane would drive the seats
>so far into the heads you would need a search and rescue team to find
>them!!! Propane also does not have the same BTU's per gallon as gas and
>is not as available.
>
>Bruce
>1988Fc35