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"Interesting" Ad - Leroy Eckert - 02-07-2008 16:34

I don't have a clue Bob. I actually think the thread has relevance because it is about ownership.
I do know this. There are no fundamental reasons why a Prevost of the same vintage should be valued at 30 percent more than a BB other than marketing and perceived value. During my discussion with the owner of the Las Vegas Bird he made a statement that is very relevant. He sells Fender and other guitars. Fender guitars are famous because of their use by rock and roll stars in the early years. His statement. "Fender guitars made in Korea are perceived to be the best because of fabulous marketing. There are far better technical instruments."
BB has not excelled in marketing over the years. Hopefully, that will change.
One other reason not to shoot yourself in the foot. When a catastrophic event occurs what is to keep an insurance adjuster from fishing a public site for perceived value?? Who better to establish value than an owner??
That is my presented case in a
nutshell. Something to think about. I am done and off the box.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion


bloomas wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "jwasnewski@yahoo.com"
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Thursday, February 07,
2008 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] "Interesting" Ad
Leroy I agree with you 100% Why would someone want to shoot them self in the foot?I really do not see how this threadhas anything to do withfixing a bird.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
Harahan La.
I think every Bluebird owner should continue to talk the value of their quality Bluebird into the ground until they try to sell it. You will have established the value for the buyer. At that time, don't bother with records, upgrades, history or anything else because they aren't important and represent zero value. Just hand the buyer your money.
That is like purchasing stock in Big Joe's Burgers then telling all you friends the burgers taste like #$%$.
I also find it interesting that money spent jetting around kicking tires is never taken
into the spending equation. The price of the bus. ???? I'm dense, I don't get it. Is it a deal or not??
I wouldn't tear up the coach in Las Vegas until you evaluate it in person. The guy may be nuts enough to have kept it in pristine shape. Based on what I have read on blog's that may be the case. It may be a jewel and it may not. I'm fix'n to talk to him for a friend. I will let you know what he says.
My opinion is like a nose, we all got one and I cleaned it up.. Mine is just different.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

Don Bradner arcatapet.com> wrote:
I see nothing to indicate that his '90 has any leg up on our '90, for which we paid $82.5K a year ago and might well have gotten for less. I said in another
post that I felt $75K was top of the market for a '90 these days.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Posting today by satellite from Quartzsite

On 2/7/2008 at 1:18 PM Pete Masterson wrote:

>The price is the key. If it's offered at a competitive price
>(something well under $100k), then it may be a good buy.

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"Interesting" Ad - Mike McMahan - 02-07-2008 16:41

Thank you Leroy. I agree with you and Bob completely. You headed
back to Texas anytime soon. Mike McMahan 96 42' Wanderlodge

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Leroy Eckert
wrote:
>
> I don't have a clue Bob. I actually think the thread has relevance
because it is about ownership.
> I do know this. There are no fundamental reasons why a Prevost of
the same vintage should be valued at 30 percent more than a BB other
than marketing and perceived value. During my discussion with the
owner of the Las Vegas Bird he made a statement that is very
relevant. He sells Fender and other guitars. Fender guitars are
famous because of their use by rock and roll stars in the early
years. His statement. "Fender guitars made in Korea are perceived to
be the best because of fabulous marketing. There are far better
technical instruments."
> BB has not excelled in marketing over the years. Hopefully, that
will change.
> One other reason not to shoot yourself in the foot. When a
catastrophic event occurs what is to keep an insurance adjuster from
fishing a public site for perceived value?? Who better to establish
value than an owner??
> That is my presented case in a nutshell. Something to think about.
I am done and off the box.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
>
> bloomas wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leroy Eckert
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] "Interesting" Ad
>
> Leroy I agree with you 100% Why would someone want to shoot
them self in the foot?I really do not see how this thread has
anything to do with fixing a bird.
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
> Harahan La.
>
>
> I think every Bluebird owner should continue to talk the
value of their quality Bluebird into the ground until they try to
sell it. You will have established the value for the buyer. At
that time, don't bother with records, upgrades, history or
anything else because they aren't important and represent zero
value. Just hand the buyer your money.
> That is like purchasing stock in Big Joe's Burgers then telling
all you friends the burgers taste like #$%$.
> I also find it interesting that money spent jetting around
kicking tires is never taken into the spending equation. The price
of the bus. ???? I'm dense, I don't get it. Is it a deal or not??
> I wouldn't tear up the coach in Las Vegas until you evaluate it
in person. The guy may be nuts enough to have kept it in pristine
shape. Based on what I have read on blog's that may be the case.
It may be a jewel and it may not. I'm fix'n to talk to him for a
friend. I will let you know what he says.
> My opinion is like a nose, we all got one and I cleaned it up..
Mine is just different.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
> Don Bradner wrote:
> I see nothing to indicate that his '90 has any leg up on
our '90, for which we paid $82.5K a year ago and might well have
gotten for less. I said in another post that I felt $75K was top
of the market for a '90 these days.
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> Posting today by satellite from Quartzsite
>
> On 2/7/2008 at 1:18 PM Pete Masterson wrote:
>
> >The price is the key. If it's offered at a competitive price
> >(something well under $100k), then it may be a good buy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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"Interesting" Ad - bubblerboy64 - 02-07-2008 17:35

I think that is one of the nicer looking coaches I've seen
advertized. I keep talking myself out of up grading because I really
don't need more then what I have. I didn't "study" his write up and
apparently there are errors but he does have a very impressive
advertizement there. The fellows who have birds listed on the bill
board should check that one out. Pictures, pictures, pictures. I
used to do some buying and selling on eBay and its no wonder that
some of the BB's have not sold after being listed for over a year.
Absolutely no effort placing in the adds. Doesn't it make sense if
you are selling an item worth upwards of 100K to invest a little
money in a professional looking add? Read some of the ones on the
Bill Board. No pictures in some. Very poor ones in others. Some don't
even tell you were the coach is located. As to discussing the
actually selling price etc, I can see both sides of that. Look, it's
a benefit to both seller and buyer to have some idea of what is in
fact reality. I do not agree that its just year and model which
determines the price. Of course those are likely the most significant
but I for one would consider condition almost as important, maybe
more important. Nothing beats talking to the owner either. Most of us
guys 50 or older have been around the horn a time or two and I am
reasonable confident in my ability to "spot" a bad one. Not to say I
haven't been taken a time or two or that it couldn't happen again. If
I was serious I'd be lookin' hard at that one as well. I think this
type of discussion is very helpful and especially to those who are
looking to buy or to those of us who have stuff "follow us home". My
wife has learned that there is no "just going to look at it" with
me. It's good that one is out of just lookin range.

John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC
>
> Thank you Leroy. I agree with you and Bob completely. You headed
> back to Texas anytime soon. Mike McMahan 96 42' Wanderlodge
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Leroy Eckert
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't have a clue Bob. I actually think the thread has
relevance
> because it is about ownership.
> > I do know this. There are no fundamental reasons why a Prevost of
> the same vintage should be valued at 30 percent more than a BB
other
> than marketing and perceived value. During my discussion with the
> owner of the Las Vegas Bird he made a statement that is very
> relevant. He sells Fender and other guitars. Fender guitars are
> famous because of their use by rock and roll stars in the early
> years. His statement. "Fender guitars made in Korea are perceived
to
> be the best because of fabulous marketing. There are far better
> technical instruments."
> > BB has not excelled in marketing over the years. Hopefully, that
> will change.
> > One other reason not to shoot yourself in the foot. When a
> catastrophic event occurs what is to keep an insurance adjuster
from
> fishing a public site for perceived value?? Who better to establish
> value than an owner??
> > That is my presented case in a nutshell. Something to think
about.
> I am done and off the box.
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> > Dahlonega, GA
> > Royale Conversion
> >
> >
> > bloomas wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Leroy Eckert
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] "Interesting" Ad
> >
> > Leroy I agree with you 100% Why would someone want to shoot
> them self in the foot?I really do not see how this thread has
> anything to do with fixing a bird.
> > Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
> > Harahan La.
> >
> >
> > I think every Bluebird owner should continue to talk the
> value of their quality Bluebird into the ground until they try
to
> sell it. You will have established the value for the buyer. At
> that time, don't bother with records, upgrades, history or
> anything else because they aren't important and represent zero
> value. Just hand the buyer your money.
> > That is like purchasing stock in Big Joe's Burgers then
telling
> all you friends the burgers taste like #$%$.
> > I also find it interesting that money spent jetting around
> kicking tires is never taken into the spending equation. The
price
> of the bus. ???? I'm dense, I don't get it. Is it a deal or not??
> > I wouldn't tear up the coach in Las Vegas until you evaluate
it
> in person. The guy may be nuts enough to have kept it in
pristine
> shape. Based on what I have read on blog's that may be the case.
> It may be a jewel and it may not. I'm fix'n to talk to him for a
> friend. I will let you know what he says.
> > My opinion is like a nose, we all got one and I cleaned it
up..
> Mine is just different.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> > Dahlonega, GA
> > Royale Conversion
> >
> > Don Bradner wrote:
> > I see nothing to indicate that his '90 has any leg up
on
> our '90, for which we paid $82.5K a year ago and might well
have
> gotten for less. I said in another post that I felt $75K was
top
> of the market for a '90 these days.
> >
> > Don Bradner
> > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> > Posting today by satellite from Quartzsite
> >
> > On 2/7/2008 at 1:18 PM Pete Masterson wrote:
> >
> > >The price is the key. If it's offered at a competitive
price
> > >(something well under $100k), then it may be a good buy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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Yahoo!
> Search.
> >
>

"Interesting" Ad - Gregory OConnor - 02-07-2008 18:01

I am just beginning to understand that many want CCW to be sucessful
because they think it will add resale value???? Here all this time I
thought it was brand loyalty and brand pride.

I think Don's information is helpful to those looking to get into a
BB Bus and only harmful to those looking to overvalue a flip.

My neighbor Mike sold his home and walked over our house to
introduce me to the new owner Fred . We talked for a while then
Mike asked me to help He and his wife pack and move away.
I asked, "Why should I help you move?"
He replied, "because we are neighbors."
I responded, "Good point", then turned my attention to Fred and
asked " if you need help unpacking, call"

GregoryO'Connor
94pt $100Grand 2005
RomolandCa

"Interesting" Ad - birdshill123 - 02-08-2008 01:30

I would suggest that anyone interested in a coach walk or run a way
from this one. You cannot believe anything that is on that web site.
Why not ask him where the $140,000 has been spent. All new Propane
system has now become new lines?? I am a businessman and when I smell
something fishy I walk away. To top all of this his attitude is
horrible. As for "talking up" value: Dos this mean when we have
problems we should not post it in a publc forum in case an insurance
adjuster is lurking?? Tell it like it is. A real buyer will see the
value without any attached bs.

Bruce
1988 FC35

"Interesting" Ad - Leroy Eckert - 02-08-2008 12:24

We hope to get that way in the Summer when the kids are out of school.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

Mike McMahan <mmcmahan@...> wrote:
Thank you Leroy. I agree with you and Bob completely. You headed
back to Texas anytime soon. Mike McMahan 96 42' Wanderlodge

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Leroy Eckert
...> wrote:
>
> I don't have a clue Bob. I actually think the thread
has relevance
because it is about ownership.
> I do know this. There are no fundamental reasons why a Prevost of
the same vintage should be valued at 30 percent more than a BB other
than marketing and perceived value. During my discussion with the
owner of the Las Vegas Bird he made a statement that is very
relevant. He sells Fender and other guitars. Fender guitars are
famous because of their use by rock and roll stars in the early
years. His statement. "Fender guitars made in Korea are perceived to
be the best because of fabulous marketing. There are far better
technical instruments."
> BB has not excelled in marketing over the years. Hopefully, that
will change.
> One other reason not to shoot yourself in the foot. When a
catastrophic event occurs what is to keep an insurance adjuster from
fishing a public site for perceived value?? Who better to establish
value than an
owner??
> That is my presented case in a nutshell. Something to think about.
I am done and off the box.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
>
> bloomas > wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leroy Eckert
> To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] "Interesting" Ad
>
> Leroy I agree with you 100% Why would someone want to shoot
them self in the foot?I really do not see how this thread has
anything to do with fixing a bird.
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
> Harahan La.
>
>
> I think
every Bluebird owner should continue to talk the
value of their quality Bluebird into the ground until they try to
sell it. You will have established the value for the buyer. At
that time, don't bother with records, upgrades, history or
anything else because they aren't important and represent zero
value. Just hand the buyer your money.
> That is like purchasing stock in Big Joe's Burgers then telling
all you friends the burgers taste like #$%$.
> I also find it interesting that money spent jetting around
kicking tires is never taken into the spending equation. The price
of the bus. ???? I'm dense, I don't get it. Is it a deal or not??
> I wouldn't tear up the coach in Las Vegas until you evaluate it
in person. The guy may be nuts enough to have kept it in pristine
shape. Based on what I have read on blog's that may be the case.
It may be a jewel and it may not.
I'm fix'n to talk to him for a
friend. I will let you know what he says.
> My opinion is like a nose, we all got one and I cleaned it up..
Mine is just different.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
> Don Bradner ...> wrote:
> I see nothing to indicate that his '90 has any leg up on
our '90, for which we paid $82.5K a year ago and might well have
gotten for less. I said in another post that I felt $75K was top
of the market for a '90 these days.
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> Posting today by satellite from Quartzsite
>
> On 2/7/2008 at 1:18 PM Pete Masterson wrote:
>
> >The price is the key. If it's offered at a competitive price
> >(something well under $100k), then it
may be a good buy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo!
Search.
>




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"Interesting" Ad - Tom McCarthy - 02-09-2008 07:59

Rob, who cares what the price is. It is Y2K approved! Priceless!

Tommy 2S McCarthy
Poway CA
95 PT42


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Donald Watson"
wrote:
>
> Rob,
>
> Price, I don't think so. It was perhaps about this time last
year. I was
> searching all over for a wide range of Wanderlodges, coming across
it on the
> internet. I didn't look any further than the URL you provided
today, but I
> remember some real estate being sold as well. It was the guitar
graphics
> that triggered my memory. I'm not too keen on the 'hype'. Just
the facts
> please, as it were. I'm sorry that I don't have any further
information.
>
> Donn
>
> (I just noticed that my email address isn't suppressed below. I
would
> understand it being in the header, but.....in the body of text?. I
wonder
> if that is an issue on my end.)
>
>
> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Robinson
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:05 AM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] "Interesting" Ad
>
> Donn did you see a price?
> On 07/02/2008, Donald Watson wrote:
> From what I recollect, this vehicle has been on the market now for
at least
> a year.
>
> Donn
> '76 FC33
> North Kingstown, RI
>

"Interesting" Ad - Tom McCarthy - 02-09-2008 08:09

Don,

He says he put $140K into it. Where? Probably in the safe since I
don't see it elsewhere. Well, it might be the house cost next to
where he parks. Someone should tell him to retrieve his cash before
he sells it.

Tom McCarthy
Poway CA


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
wrote:
>
> I see nothing to indicate that his '90 has any leg up on our '90,
for which we paid $82.5K a year ago and might well have gotten for
less. I said in another post that I felt $75K was top of the market
for a '90 these days.
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> Posting today by satellite from Quartzsite
>
> On 2/7/2008 at 1:18 PM Pete Masterson wrote:
>
> >The price is the key. If it's offered at a competitive price
> >(something well under $100k), then it may be a good buy.
>

"Interesting" Ad - birdshill123 - 02-09-2008 08:29

Others may feel this is a ncie coach and that could be true. But when
Isee one blatent lie (The $14k updates) that tells me to look
elsewhere. His rant on BB v Prevost does nothing to help with the
sale. A little more "meat" and less BS in the ad might result in a
quick sale. Methinks he doth protest too much !


Bruce
1988 FC 35

"Interesting" Ad - Gregory OConnor - 02-09-2008 10:08

Bruce, Shakespeare??
"Dont judge the Chili by the hat the chef wears"
"Proof of the Bus is in the driving"
all quite O'Connorian
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa




--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
>
> Others may feel this is a ncie coach and that could be true. But
when
> Isee one blatent lie (The $14k updates) that tells me to look
> elsewhere. His rant on BB v Prevost does nothing to help with the
> sale. A little more "meat" and less BS in the ad might result in a
> quick sale. Methinks he doth protest too much !
>
>
> Bruce
> 1988 FC 35
>