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88' 8v92 NC 50grand - Pete Masterson - 05-14-2008 11:54

I agree. I was looking for about a 10 year old 'bird -- or a bus conversion (Prevost, MCI, etc.) with similar qualities as a 'bird. 
I wanted a real metal bus -- not a plastic box that would fall to pieces in the most minor accident. I wouldn't have considered a plastic palace, no matter what.
Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
"aeonix1@mac.com"
On May 14, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Don Bradner wrote:

I'm not one (as other posts of mine will attest) to try to overinflate the value of a Blue Bird or anything else. Having said that, I think it would be a terrible mistake for a BB owner to think that they are in strong competition with the thousands of SOBs out there in the same price range. We own a niche product that is highly desired by a small number of people, period.
When I was looking, I was looking for a Blue Bird. No Monaco, Fleetwood, or Winnebago was considered, at any price. When was the last time you saw someone actually looking for a 1990 Winnie, specifically?
Those who would be swayed by a 10-year newer SOB with the same price have missed the point of the Blue Bird, and probably can't be convinced otherwise. I'm one of many who have experienced the newer stuff, and in our case dropped back 13 years to get what we really wanted.
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88' 8v92 NC 50grand - Gregory OConnor - 05-14-2008 12:00

Value and Market are two different variables. Two Posting Buyers
buying frustration are testomony to the fact that BlueBirds like
classic Cars have the price set by the seller. They continue to
attempt to educate the seller to lower price to their reach. I doubt
either one will make a purchase because they will never feel they have
scored the lowest. and after purchase disonance would eat them up.

Its funny how someone can highlight all the reasons why it is a bad
idea to own a diesel coach then turn around and say, "So what do you
want for it?" some folk will remain SOB irrreguardless of what they
drive.

GregoryO'Connor
SOB 94ptRomolandCa

88' 8v92 NC 50grand - bubblerboy64 - 05-14-2008 13:40

Ernie, You know what sells? Sex sells, if you look at MH's in that
light the new plastic palaces's are appealing. You have to have some
experience and some age to want a BB. Most BB owners are older guys
and the younger owners are experienced beyond their years. If I put
myself back 35 years I can't see me wanting an old BB.

John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC
>
> In a message dated 5/14/2008 6:00:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> Gregoryoc@... writes:
>
> some folk will remain SOB irrreguardless of what they drive
> Greg- that is my son, in a nutshell.
>
>
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Livingston, Montana
>
>
>
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88' 8v92 NC 50grand - Leroy Eckert - 05-14-2008 13:58

Voices of reason that are backed up with facts. I am with you partner. I don't hear Prevost owners bashing their prices down. I hear them touting the virtues of owning one. I just raised the price of mine fifteen points.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

David Brady wrote:
Bingo Gregory,

In fact, I would postulate that we BB owners should actually
raise our prices to correct for the falling dollar. For
instance, consider the price of a 1993 WB in US
dollars,
say $100K, if we view that same coach in Swiss Francs it
only costs approximately $70K Swiss Francs. This is because
the US dollar has depreciated 30% relative to the Swiss Franc
in the past year, far exceeding normal BB depreciation. Our BB's
are incredible deals to anyone trading in any other currency.
Why should I sell my BB to someone for 70K Swiss Francs
when last year it cost 100K Swiss Francs. So listen up
everyone... it's time to raise your prices to adjust for the
falling dollar! Heck, the whole market has flocked
to commodities: wheat, sugar, oil, haircuts, etc to escape the
falling dollar, why not flee to another commodity, the BB?


David
'02 LXi, NC

Gregory OConnor wrote:
Value and Market are two different variables. Two Posting Buyers
buying frustration are testomony to the fact
that BlueBirds like
classic Cars have the price set by the seller. They continue to
attempt to educate the seller to lower price to their reach. I doubt
either one will make a purchase because they will never feel they have
scored the lowest. and after purchase disonance would eat them up.

Its funny how someone can highlight all the reasons why it is a bad
idea to own a diesel coach then turn around and say, "So what do you
want for it?" some folk will remain SOB irrreguardless of what they
drive.

GregoryO'Connor
SOB 94ptRomolandCa


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88' 8v92 NC 50grand - Scott Forman - 05-14-2008 14:13

Careful guys...I am only 33. I have often wondered if I am the
youngest BB owner in the nation. And I wouldn't own a fiberglass
box, period...don't care how many slides or fancy gadgets it has.

Scott Forman
verx sexy 86 PT38
Memphis



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> You are correct, John. I guess in the young person's eyes, sex,
glitz, and
> bloody slideouts are all the rage these days.
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Livingston, Montana
>
> 2 slide outs- one for my toolbox, the other is a Joey bed
>
>
>
> **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists
on family
> favorites at AOL Food.
> (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
>

88' 8v92 NC 50grand - David Brady - 05-14-2008 14:40


Bingo Gregory,



In fact, I would postulate that we BB owners should actually

raise our prices to correct for the falling dollar. For

instance, consider the price of a 1993 WB in US dollars,

say $100K, if we view that same coach in Swiss Francs it

only costs approximately $70K Swiss Francs. This is because

the US dollar has depreciated 30% relative to the Swiss Franc

in the past year, far exceeding normal BB depreciation. Our BB's

are incredible deals to anyone trading in any other currency.

Why should I sell my BB to someone for 70K Swiss Francs

when last year it cost 100K Swiss Francs. So listen up

everyone... it's time to raise your prices to adjust for the

falling dollar! Heck, the whole market has flocked

to commodities: wheat, sugar, oil, haircuts, etc to escape the

falling dollar, why not flee to another commodity, the BB?





David

'02 LXi, NC



Gregory OConnor wrote:


Value and Market are two different variables. Two Posting Buyers

buying frustration are testomony to the fact that BlueBirds like

classic Cars have the price set by the seller. They continue to

attempt to educate the seller to lower price to their reach. I doubt

either one will make a purchase because they will never feel they have

scored the lowest. and after purchase disonance would eat them up.



Its funny how someone can highlight all the reasons why it is a bad

idea to own a diesel coach then turn around and say, "So what do you

want for it?" some folk will remain SOB irrreguardless of what they

drive.



GregoryO'Connor

SOB 94ptRomolandCa





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88' 8v92 NC 50grand - birdshill123 - 05-14-2008 14:53

I will be the discenter(sp) in this discussion. Why are so many BB
owners so uptight on the value of their Bird. If you are not going to
sell it does not matter if it is worth a million or one peso! These
are not investment grade works of art. As for those who somehow
think their 8 year old Brd is worth 50% of new. Dream on. To quote
the sales mfgr. of a large rv dealership: Big Iron is not selling.
They are giving very little for trades and some dealers are selling
DP's at a loss. The market value for many MH's has dropped 20 % in
just a few months. These are not BB's but as others have mentioned BB
buyers are few and far between. The factory has a couple of units
that have been there a long time with no takers. Same with Bleakely.
Of course they want way too much. I just gave up looking for another
Bird because the sellers, especially some private sellers are
expecting huge returns. $325 for a one slide 2001 LXI is ridiculous.
$175 for a nice ( not extra nice) 98 LXI is also way too high. The
market has just begun to drop for RV's and will drop even further
this summer. All this being said there are very good reasons for
buying a BB. But they do not appeal to everyone. If one has to be
convinced to buy a Bird they are not true BB people. A real potential
BB owner should see the quality right away. Nothing else deserves a
comparison. Period! I will add this: After looking at 98 and up
units: They pale beside the other 90's units. I think the quality
lessened. I saw design and build flaws on some units that do not
exist on the pre 98's. The newer they are the worse they are. That is
my opinion.

Bruce
1988 FC35

88' 8v92 NC 50grand - Stephen Hare - 05-14-2008 15:15

Scott,
Nope! Got you beat! I owned my firstBB at 32.. About to buy another at 34!
Stephen H
Plant City, Fl
birdless for now...

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Scott Forman <"sforman@renasant.com"> wrote:



Careful guys...I am only 33. I have often wondered if I am the
youngest BB owner in the nation. And I wouldn't own a fiberglass
box, period...don't care how many slides or fancy gadgets it has.


Scott Forman
verx sexy 86 PT38
Memphis

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> You are correct, John. I guess in the young person's eyes, sex,

glitz, and
> bloody slideouts are all the rage these days.
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Livingston, Montana
>
> 2 slide outs- one for my toolbox, the other is a Joey bed
>

>
>
> **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists
on family
> favorites at AOL Food.
> (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
>





88' 8v92 NC 50grand - Richard Hayden - 05-14-2008 15:27



We appreciate all the comments regarding the sale of our 1987 PT. Everyone of you that commented on the merits of owning Wanderlodge make good since and in many ways echo our thoughts.Dick and I spend our winters in the desert near Yuma. Our bus, with it’s fabulous solar system, is perfect for desert living. It’s also fun to have one of the prettiest, most unique coaches in the area making us feel terribly proud. We smile when people comment on the huge tires ‘cause we know that they’re just making everything safer for us - we couldn’t imagine traveling with those little bitty SOB tires underneath us.
As many of you know we have had to help our son and his family financially in his quest to fight terminal cancer. The expense of that and the fact Dick will be turning 75 in August made us believe that it was time for us to consider other options for living our winters in the Southwest. Unfortunately, it appears that we picked the worst possible time to do this. It is very hard for us to believe that a classic Wanderlodge, with its retro look, shiny chrome bumpers, and clean bright white interior, would decrease in priceso much - especially since it is always kept in good repair and it spends its summer under cover. The wonderful friendships we have made with other Wanderlodge owners would be impossible to match. We would surly missour friends if we couldn’t see them at least once a year at one of the rally‘s. Because of all of the above, and all of you, unless we can sell our bus at a fair price, we will be once again traveling to Quartzsite in our “Freebird” and that wouldn’t be half bad.
Yes, we want to sell our bus but, no, we won’t give it away.
Joyce & Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
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Voices of reason that are backed up with facts. I am with you partner. I don't hear Prevost owners bashing their prices down. I hear them touting the virtues of owning one. I just raised the price of mine fifteen points.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

David Brady net> wrote:
Bingo Gregory,

In fact, I would postulate that we BB owners should actually
raise our prices to correct for the falling dollar. For
instance, consider the price of a 1993 WB in US dollars,
say $100K, if we view that same coach in Swiss Francs it
only costs approximately $70K Swiss Francs. This is because
the US dollar has depreciated 30% relative to the Swiss Franc
in the past year, far exceeding normal BB depreciation. Our BB's
are incredible deals to anyone trading in any other currency.
Why should I sell my BB to someone for 70K Swiss Francs
when last year it cost 100K Swiss Francs. So listen up
everyone... it's time to raise your prices to adjust for the
falling dollar! Heck, the whole market has flocked
to commodities: wheat, sugar, oil, haircuts, etc to escape the
falling dollar, why not flee to another commodity, the BB?


David
'02 LXi, NC

Gregory OConnor wrote:
Value and Market are two different variables. Two Posting Buyers
buying frustration are testomony to the fact that BlueBirds like
classic Cars have the price set by the seller. They continue to
attempt to educate the seller to lower price to their reach. I doubt
either one will make a purchase because they will never feel they have
scored the lowest. and after purchase disonance would eat them up.

Its funny how someone can highlight all the reasons why it is a bad
idea to own a diesel coach then turn around and say, "So what do you
want for it?" some folk will remain SOB irrreguardless of what they
drive.

GregoryO'Connor
SOB 94ptRomolandCa


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88' 8v92 NC 50grand - Pete Masterson - 05-14-2008 15:32

Hey, some of the newer WLs have a little glitz. Heck, I've got a bunch of tiny little lights around the ceiling and around all the windows. I like what someone said, "Oh, those are the Las Vegas lights..."
The thing has a ton of mirrors, too. Thank goodness, none on the ceiling, though...
Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
"aeonix1@mac.com"
On May 14, 2008, at 7:12 PM, "rogerwwebb@aol.com" wrote:

you guys hit the nail on the head .. it is nothing but lust....
 <snip>
 
yes, lust ... .... no sex though, as I doubt the wife would approve .....
 
Roger Webb
91 WL
Cedar Rapids, IA 
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/14/2008 8:45:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, "erniecarpet@aol.com" writes:

You are correct, John. I guess in the young person's eyes, sex, glitz, and bloody slideouts are all the rage these days.
 
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Montana
2 slide outs- one for my toolbox, the other is a Joey bed