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Tire Shopping - Mike Hohnstein - 06-04-2005 02:10
Axle weight is the determining factor for inflation. A good indicator of tire
overheating is a dark stripe at the out side of the side wall close to the
tread. That's not good. I got a heat stripe on a 16 ply Michelin properly
inflated, 110 in the shade, other side out of the direct sun no stripe.
I ran lower pressure on the front axle of the truck for a while but incountered
what looked like tread squirm on the steers.
Bernies Tire in Albany GA shaved and balanced the Michelin 14 plys I had at the
time pointed out too much side wall bulge. He was right, I had 11,600 on a 12K
axle and 85# inflation, not good. I'd match my inflation pressure to the amount
of load on the tire relative to max sidewall pressure spec.
Shaving tires is a lost art, not many shops have the equipment anymore.
Mike Hohnstein
Germantown, WI
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From: randydupree
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Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Tire Shopping
now this should start a debate! on my 93 40'wb i have run the pressure as low
as 80lbs in all positions,not just for a test,but for months at a time,with no
problems.i try different pressures because the drivablity changes drasticly with
more or less pressure.my coach drives better with 85lbs in the tires,but,it a
heavy crosswind it does"wander" more.so,right now they are at 95lbs.i don't
believe in doing anything because "they'' said too.(whoever they are?).so,i test
everything for myself..now,having said all that,i will add that i travel about
20,000 miles per year in my coach. and i have had no tire problems at
all..randydupree93wb
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Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Tire Shopping
SAY, I have a tire pressure question. Since you have approximately
the same front axle gross as I do,,, what air pressure do you run your tires
at???
My DUNLOP SP-160's call for 120 lbs for a max load of 6610 lbs. Two
on the front would be 13,220 lbs, close to my gross front axle wt. Another
PT
40 bird owner told me he never runs over 105 lbs,,,,,,, What would you
run
???
I have always been told to run the max cold pressure to avoid
blowouts,,,, What is correct??? DAY 83 PT-40 Jax Fla,,,,,,,,
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Tire Shopping - DAY8293A@... - 06-04-2005 02:25
HI GEORGE,,,
YOU HAVE SAID EXACTLY WHY I DON'T LIKE MICHELINS EITHER, AND
THAT IS THE ONLY ONES I HAVE EVER HAD A BLOW OUT ON. THEY REFUSED TO HONOR A
FLAT ON MY VAN, THAT I THOUGHT SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER THE WARRANTY, AND THEY
REFUSED. I SAID I WOULD NEVER OWN ANOTHER MICHELIN AFTER THAT, BUT MADE THE
MISTAKE OF PUTTING ONE ON MY LAST COACH, AN ITASCA, AND THAT WAS THE ONE THAT
BLEW
OUT !!
NOW, I WANT ANYTHING BUT A MICHELIN,,,,,
DAY,,,,, JAX FLA, 83 PT-40
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Tire Shopping - DAY8293A@... - 06-04-2005 03:06
I GUESS I NEED TO FIND SOME SCALES AND WEIGH MY COACH AXLES!!!!
THANKS FOR THE INFO,,, DAY JAX FLA 83 PT-40
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Tire Shopping - George Lowry - 06-04-2005 05:04
I suggest you go to
<http://www.trucktires.com/us_eng/technical/loadinfl/table04.asp> and
see what the manufacturer says for the weight you have on your
particular tire. While this chart is for Bridgeston/Firestone, I have
found that all manufacturers seem to be the same.
I learned the hard way. When I fist got the GM bus, I had them
inflated to the 100 - 110 lb. recommended by the dealer. After ruing a
pair of steer tires, I learned about "proper inflation". I dropped the
drivers to 75 lb. and the steer to 85 lb. The difference in handling
was tremendous. NOt only did the coach ride better, it tracked better
and the tires wore better. I constantly see people with large coaches
that are over inflated. The Factory reps tell me that teh hardest
part of their job is trying to get dealers to learn how to read.
Go to the web site of any tire manufacturer and get their
recommendations. I still believe that the manufacturer has the best
information available.
George Lowry
'95 WBDA 4203 & GM 4106 (for sale)
Spearfish, SD
randydupree wrote:
> now this should start a debate! on my 93 40'wb i have run the
> pressure as low as 80lbs in all positions,not just for a test,but
> for months at a time,with no problems.i try different pressures
> because the drivablity changes drasticly with more or less
> pressure.my coach drives better with 85lbs in the tires,but,it a
> heavy crosswind it does"wander" more.so,right now they are at
> 95lbs.i don't believe in doing anything because "they'' said
> too.(whoever they are?).so,i test everything for myself..now,having
> said all that,i will add that i travel about 20,000 miles per year
> in my coach. and i have had no tire problems at
> all..randydupree93wb ----- Original Message ----- From:
> DAY8293A@... To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday,
> June 03, 2005 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Tire
> Shopping
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> SAY, I have a tire pressure question. Since you have approximately
> the same front axle gross as I do,,, what air pressure do you run
> your tires at??? My DUNLOP SP-160's call for 120 lbs for a max load
> of 6610 lbs. Two on the front would be 13,220 lbs, close to my
> gross front axle wt. Another PT 40 bird owner told me he never
> runs over 105 lbs,,,,,,, What would you run ??? I have always
> been told to run the max cold pressure to avoid blowouts,,,, What
> is correct??? DAY 83 PT-40 Jax Fla,,,,,,,,
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Tire Shopping - randydupree - 06-04-2005 05:40
working good is good!! randydupree93wb
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farm kings are his " signature" series- maybe they are power kings- heck-
they work good. ernie-in Texas
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Tire Shopping - pattypape - 06-04-2005 10:29
Thanks again,
In further reviewing tire mfg. web sites, Jeff makes a good point
about the different spec. for the same sizes and load ranges for the
different mfg.
Michelin has a XZ2 and a XZE model,
Does anyone know the difference??
The spec.s seem to be about the same.
Bill 88 FC I like the tire debate, still deciding to decide,
can't find FarmKing in Michigan
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> They're all round and black.
>
> There are differences between tires, such as the 1" difference in
> tread width between brands of the same size & rating, ride,
rolling
> resistance, quality control, etc.
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> Buy what brand makes you happy, you're the one that has to pay for
> them and drive on them.
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> > Well, I am still investigating possible tire replacement brands.
I
> > read many of the previous archive postings on the ongoing tire
> > debate. Many have a strong opinion about there favorite tire
> > manufacturer, especially the loyal Michelin followers. There
were
> > also other brands mentioned such as: Kelly, Goodyear, BF
Goodrich,
> > Toyo, a Les Schwab tire called Double Coin, Bridgestone etc.
> >
> > The 12R 22.5 load range H Michelin tires are about $500.00 each,
> > installed and out the door.
> > They carry a seven year / 700,000 mile manufacturer defect
> warranty.
> >
> > We presently are quite happy with our Firestone T575 tire. This
> tire
> > is obsolete and no longer manufactured, the replacement
Firestone
> is
> > FS560 or Bridgestone R250
> >
> > Our questions are:
> > Does anyone have experience with the Firestone FS560?? ( In the
12R
> > 22.5 LRH size)
> > Why should an RV owner help subsidize a seven year / 700,000
> > warranty??
> > Which brand are you happy with ??
> >
> > Maybe this should be a poll?
> >
> > Any inputs are appreciated,
> >
> > Bill 88 fc
Tire Shopping - jon lechich - 06-04-2005 12:08
Ok this may sound stupid but do you weigh each axel one at a time or do you do
the frount two axils on a scale and them the back ones together? Jon
DAY8293A@... wrote:I GUESS I NEED TO FIND SOME SCALES AND WEIGH MY COACH
AXLES!!!!
THANKS FOR THE INFO,,, DAY JAX FLA 83 PT-40
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Tire Shopping - George Lowry - 06-04-2005 12:39
The best way is to weigh each wheel separately and then use the
heaviest weighed wheel on an axle for determining the pressure. If
you can't get each wheel weighed separately, then weigh each axle
separately. I usually start out by pulling just the front axle onto
the scale and then each one separately. Some scales have separate
platforms so you can have the whole rig on the scale and the can give
you the individual weights.
Check the inflation charts at <http://www.trucktire.com> or at the Michelin
web site. Both give good instructions on how to do it.
George Lowry
'95 WBDA 4203 & GM 4106 (for sale)
Spearfish, SD
jon lechich wrote:
> Ok this may sound stupid but do you weigh each axel one at a time
> or do you do the frount two axils on a scale and them the back ones
> together? Jon
>
> DAY8293A@... wrote:I GUESS I NEED TO FIND SOME SCALES AND WEIGH
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Tire Shopping - freewill2008 - 06-04-2005 13:03
Just shows to go ya that tire experience can be really personal and
not always the best way to know what's hot and what's not.
Starting in 1965, I've put M's on muscle cars, sports cars, light
trucks, the odd bike, and most recently the BB. Only had one failure -
busted the sidewall out of a pickup tire. My fault. The dealer
replaced it anyway. M's are the only tires where I've never
said: "Damn I wish I'd got something else!". And, almost every other
brand I've owned has given me trouble.
But, I'll be the first to say I've had very good luck - and my good
luch is not a good reason for anyone else to buy Michelin's.
I like Jeff's advice: "Buy what you like 'cause you hafta drive 'em
and ride on 'em."
Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, DAY8293A@C... wrote:
> HI GEORGE,,,
> YOU HAVE SAID EXACTLY WHY I DON'T LIKE MICHELINS
EITHER, AND
> THAT IS THE ONLY ONES I HAVE EVER HAD A BLOW OUT ON. THEY REFUSED
TO HONOR A
> FLAT ON MY VAN, THAT I THOUGHT SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER THE WARRANTY,
AND THEY
> REFUSED. I SAID I WOULD NEVER OWN ANOTHER MICHELIN AFTER THAT, BUT
MADE THE
> MISTAKE OF PUTTING ONE ON MY LAST COACH, AN ITASCA, AND THAT WAS THE
ONE THAT BLEW
> OUT !!
> NOW, I WANT ANYTHING BUT A MICHELIN,,,,,
> DAY,,,,, JAX FLA, 83 PT-40
>
>
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Tire Shopping - John - 06-04-2005 15:02
Jon,
Try to find a truck stop that has a split scale, similar to the Cat
Scale System, you can go to their web site and see if there is one
close to you;
http://www.catscale.com/
While you are at their site, you can see how to weigh your 'Bird, by
clicking on HOW TO WEIGH, or for FC and SP model 'Birds, just click
on;
http://www.catscale.com/personalmoves.shtml#STAMV
If some one is weighing a PT model go to;
http://www.catscale.com/howtoweigh.shtml#STA
Those weighing PT models will have to do this;
Drive onto the scale so that your Steer axle is positioned on
platform 1, your Drive axle on platform 2 and your Tag axle on
platform 3. The wheelbase of the PT models should be long enough, so
that the drive axle is at the end of platform 2 and the tag axle will
be at the front of platform 3.
It is easier if you have someone to help you get all of the axles on
the appropriate platform of the split scale.
After you have the total individual axle weights, pull off of the
scale and drive back around and get back up on the scale again, but
this time, pull to the right, or the left just enough to get one side
s tires completely off of the scale and the other side on the scale
in the same position that you were the first time you weighed, then
tell the scale operator that this is a re-weigh, it should cost less
for the re-weigh.
When you get the final scale ticket, the weights that are on the re-
weigh will be the weight for those tires on that axle that were on
the scale for the re-weigh, now subtract the re-weigh weights in each
position from the original weight of the full axle and that will be
your tire position weights, for the side that was not on the scale.
Some scales have a guard rail next to the platform scales and you
will not be able to pull off to one side.
If you are close to an Oregon State scale, in a Ste operated weigh
station and it is closed, you can still use the scale to weigh
your 'Bird, as their scales are active most of the time and they have
a weighed results readout, on an over head sign that you can plainly
see, at least that was the way they operated two years ago.
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> Ok this may sound stupid but do you weigh each axel one at a time
or do you do the frount two axils on a scale and them the back ones
together? Jon
>
> DAY8293A@C... wrote:I GUESS I NEED TO FIND SOME SCALES AND WEIGH MY
COACH AXLES!!!!
> THANKS FOR THE INFO,,, DAY JAX FLA 83 PT-40
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