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80 bird with 3208 cat keeps stalling - PLEASE help - woodland_builders - 05-31-2005 23:22
There is a small valve in the center towards the front of the engine
on the top near the injector pump that must be open to allow a fuel
flow path when using the hand pump. Empty your water seperator,
(square glass thing on the right rear of the engine) and reinstall.
Open the vent valve. Using the hand pump you should see the fuel fill
the water seperator and then produce a steady solid stream of fuel
discharging under the engine. If you cannot refill the water
seperator you have a fuel restriction or a air leak some place
between the engine and the fuel tank. Add the aux tank into the
system a try again to locate the problem.
If you are able to refill the system with the hand pump you are
getting fuel to the engine. Shut the vent valve. Try to start the
engine. If it does not start have another person pump the hand pump
while you try to start the engine and see if it lights off. If the
engine starts but does not idle and the problem may be the shaft seal
on the injector pump leaking in air. If the shaft seal is bad it may
run at high RPM but will not idle. If you look down under the intake
with a flashlight and notice a fuel trail from under the injector
pump you have found a problem. Fuel leaking out can also be air
leaking in. Good luck
Gene Chaude
77 FC33
Oakdale Connecticut
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Adria Haynes"
<mrbeebody@n...> wrote:
> Gurus,
>
> I had been here for a while, took a break, but have been lurking
> again
> for a while. I NEED HELP!
>
> What I have is a Wanderlodge 35fc with a newer 3208 Cat. We just
> used it last month for a long weekend that was 2 hours away and
> everything went excellent. We started the trip with 1/4 tank,
> filled up, and had 1/2 tank when the trip was over - which how it
> has sat for the past
> month.
>
> I fired it up for a few minutes on Thursday night to make sure we
> were ready to rock for the long weekend. After getting everything
> ready to head out - it wouldn't stay running. Per advice from
> friends and family, I changed the fuel filter at the back of the
> motor with a brand new one that was FULL of fuel. I also changed
out
> the water seperator and filter under the LP compartment door. I
> removed, refilled, and reinstalled the engine bay fuel filter a
> number of times. Each time priming it with the primer.
>
> After removing the air filter, the bus would start and run if I
shot
> and kept shooting starting fluid down the intake. After a while,
it
> seemed to be able to sustain on its own. I had to keep the
throttle
> pulled back to keep it idling a little over 1200. While the tach
> indicated steady RPM's, the cloud out the back indicated sputtering
> within. Again, after a while it would run on its own, seem to run
> well, but not for long before it would start to sputter. At that
> point, I would remove the new fuel filter and find it to be only
> about 1/4 full of fuel - making me to believe that it died when the
> fuel filter ran out of fuel. When removing the new filter, at the
> point when the seal breaks, it gives out that "shtook" popping
sound
> as though it were under heavy suction.
>
> Another interesting thing is that after having been run, I would
> turn the valve on the water seperator. Not only would the liquids
> not just stream out - it would "burble and chug" out the bottom
but
> only do so after it looked like it sucked air IN - as though there
> were a natural vacuum.
>
> After having the vacation already wrecked, I need to focus on
> getting it back up and running again ASAP. I read a post on the
> vintagebirds.com site in which a gentleman indicated that he had an
> 81 with a 1/2 tank that acted like he was out of fuel and that he
> added more fuel and it behaved as long as he kept it above the 1/2
> tank level until he did something with a 1/4" copper line.
>
> I'm unclear as to what he did to fix it and cannot contact him.
>
> Is it a common problem for a bird such as mine to ALL OF A SUDDEN
> act like it has a heavy fuel restriction or act like its out of
> gas? My uncle seems to think its acting like it's sucking air into
> the line or there is a restriction.
>
> Please help, I'm desperate. Any help, suggestions, or anything
> would be HUGELY appreciated.
>
> Thanks, John in Flint.
80 bird with 3208 cat keeps stalling - PLEASE help - Dennis Nichols - 06-01-2005 16:49
one_dusty_hoot wrote:
>So in my thinking ...
>
>Will it work?Sure, Is it beneficial ? I don't know? It just seems to
>me that circulating fuel in this manner would certainly reduce
>problems with algae and fuel contamination problems for bird that
>roost for long periods of time.
This seems to be pretty standard practice in marine applications,
called on-board fuel polishing. See:
http://www.jtbmarine.com/product1.htm
http://www.islandcoastboatworks.com/Products/esi_clean_fuel_systems.htm
http://www.alxzka.com/~alxzka/store/shop/estore.htm
and especially
http://www.gulfcoastfilters.com/fuel_polishing.htm
--
Dennis Nichols
'88 WB40 XXV
"Priscilla"
80 bird with 3208 cat keeps stalling - PLEASE help - DAY8293A@... - 06-02-2005 12:22
Well,,, I made my own recycling system using my onboard 2 micron RACOR
filter. I hooked up a T on the output of the RACOR , and a shut-off on
each end of the T. I close off the side going to the engine, and open the other
side, which goes to a regular electric fuel pump (from NAPA, or any parts
store) , and run it back into the tank. I chose to run it back into the neck
where
I drilled and installed a permanent elbow to connect the return line to.
I used clear fuel line,(so I can monitor the pumping), and even put
one of those magnetic things that Algae X claims breaks up the "clumps" of
fuel,, (although not as big a magnet as theirs).
When I am ready to hit the road, I turn off the pump, close the
recirculating side, and open the engine side of the T,,, and hit the road,,, (It
will even draw fuel into the RACOR, if you have changed the filter, and need to
refill it)
And it cost me a lot less than some of those systems I saw on those
links,,, Less than fifty bucks, anyway. I was using the larger micron filters,
until today, when I got a case of 12 of the 2 micron filters.(for $7.02 each,,
under 95 bucks with shipping) Since I don't hit the road too many times a
year, I need to keep the fuel circulating.
I had a real problem with algae in my tank before I installed this,,,
and it has really cleaned up my fuel,,, along with some good algae eater
stuff. Wish I had installed it and filtered the tank before I went on my first
outing with my bird,,, boy, I can't remember how many filters I went through on
that first trip!! Now, I can hit the road without worrying about clogged
filters,,,, DAY 83 PT-40 JAX FLA,,,
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