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Going to get coach - ronmarabito2002 - 10-20-2008 02:19

Thanks Leroy. I hope my luck is better also.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Currently at the airport.

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Leroy Eckert
wrote:
>
> Based on my personal research and discussions with BB after this
event occurred, the coolant level sensor (installed in the highest
point of the radiator coolant) should have sent the engine with a DDEC
II into Ramp Mode as all 8v92's with DDEC II were sent out from BB
with this pre programmed. High coolant temp may not have worked if the
water abruptly dumped into the crankcase but one should also expect
high tranny temps in this case also. The sensors on my coach which can
only safely be checked by hooking up a tester on the DDL are, coolant
level, low oil pressure, high water temperature, and low fuel
pressure.I have an optional coolant level module also. According to BB
all should give an alarm if working properly and initiate Ramp Mode
within 15 seconds of an event occurring outside the pre programmed
parameters in the DDEC II. The buzzing when the key is turned on
checks the circuits integrity, not the integrety of the sensors
themselves. I gotta
> get my coach to a shop and get it checked out. I know my coolant
level is working because I removed fluid from the tank and checked it.
> BB emphatically advised me not to go crossing wires on the various
sensors as it could severely damage the DDEC II system.
> I hope you have great luck from here on out.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Don Bradner wrote:
> From: Don Bradner
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 4:16 PM
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>
> Correct - the DDECII does not output engine oil temp, or
it would be simple to rig an alarm with VMSPC when it reached some temp.
>
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>
> I do have an analog oil temp gauge, but it runs pretty high all of
the time - I'm not sure I would notice unless it *really* went high!
>
>
>
> On 10/19/2008 at 7:30 PM ronmarabito2002 wrote:
>
>
>
> >Only thing I can think of is for the safety sensors to shut it down
>
> >first. Since the coolant temp did not rise, that sensor didn't do
>
> >anything. It needs an oil temp sensor, but this model didn't have
>
> >one. I'm planning to get a hold of Detroit to find out if one can be
>
> >added. But I think it has to do with the DDEC II
>
> >
>
> >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> >
>
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Dan Williams"
>
> >wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Ron, Is there anything that can be done to the engine to keep
this from
>
> >> happening again?
>
> >>
>
> >> Dan, 8v92, Jackson, ms
>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> _____
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> >>
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> >> From: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
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> >> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
ronmarabito2002
>
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:00 AM
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> >> To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
>
> >> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Going to get coach
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> Hi to all of you. I paid the bill in Calgary yesterday via direct
>
> >> wire transfer. The good news is: the exchange rate saved me about
>
> >> $4,000 dollars, so all is not bad.
>
> >>
>
> >> I will fly to Calgary in the morning to pick up the coach. I will
>
> >> have to button up the bedroom, since they wanted to charge me over
>
> >> $600 labor to do that. I won't leave Calgary until Tuesday morning.
>
> >> Plan to stop see a friend in Lewistown, MT hopefully the first night
>
> >> out. Depends on how I have to run with the re-built engine. I will
>
> >> take a route back home avoiding as much mountain driving as possible.
>
> >>
>
> >> Once back in the US and further south, I should be able to get back
>
> >> on line using my dish and I can give a report on how the engine is
>
> >> performing.
>
> >>
>
> >> Dick: Sorry to hear about you tranny problems. Hope they are minor.
>
> >>
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> >> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
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Going to get coach - Gregory OConnor - 10-20-2008 04:03

Leroy, I guess the sender at the puke tank is more of a on off
switch. you can remove the two wires and test for continuity at
ideal condition??

One other area of issue is the overbuilt cooling system integrity.
the hoses are all top of the line major buck multiply material and
even the puketank is high quality stainless steel. If the radiator
cap is the only place to relieve over heat coolant pressure the line
to the tank and the cap have to do their job when called for. If
the cap wont open and the line is not of a larg enough id (CurtS
coolant filter??) the next week link could be a minor compramised
liner seal. Even the high fail hose to the aircompressor ages to
handel more pressure untill it cracks from an external flex. then
there is the dynamic that while overheating you are puking into the
p tank and sending a signal to the coolant level modual that all is
well with coolant level.

Ross, if I has a $9,000 generator in my boat, there would be no room
for the ores
Greg94ptCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Leroy Eckert
wrote:
>
> Your line of thinking is parallel to mine except the prints for my
coolant level sensor show the switch open. If the drawing is for
normal conditions including full water in the puke tank then
presumably the sender closes forming a circuit in abnormal
conditions ie. low coolant.????Then the module sends a prompt to the
DDEC II to go to ramp mode and cut off impulses to 4 of the EUI's.
Presumably, it also disables the cruise enable also. It seems if the
switch is normally open, if circuit wires were shorted or the module
was shorted internally the indication prior to start would be "do
not start" and a stop engine light, but I do not have enough
schematics or books on the DDEC II to figure it out. What do you
think?
> I want to completely understand this system if possible. Maybe
someone else understands the thing. I have gotten this far by
studying my master coach prints, the generic systems in the DD
manual, an overall generic DDEC II schematic and talking to Glen
Rogers at BB. He was on the line when my coach was built.
> The coolant module is in the lower load center in the front of the
coach. It has 5 wires and is a DDEC system. Ignition hot, ground all
the way to the batteries, (this ground is tied into the ATEC trans
system and the cruise enable also), data wire to the ECM and two
wires to the sensor.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Gregory OConnor wrote:
> From: Gregory OConnor
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 9:10 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> included in the coolant level warning there is a
sensor/sender with two wires, on puke tank a seperate module unit
with five wires, some place?' and wires' .
> If the sender makes contact to complete a ground to prove proper
coolant level, a short in the sender or module or wires could cause
a false OK to operate signal.
>   If the sender loosing contact and not delivering continious
ground is the signal that puts the bus in ramp mode ( 4 cylinder
power) then the ground to the module could be disconnected.
> if you remember back to a 94pt post about loosing one of two
DDec computer 12v+power links from the battery to the Ddec and the
post claimed that it was the power to 1/2 the cylinders. Ikinda
think half the power is a wierd way to wire 1/2 a computer and
always wondered why his bus would run on 4 cyls.    since ramp mode
is 4 cylinders, may have been the ground in the battery area (where
the coolant module gets its ground) that when cleaned up( in the
blind search for a fix), finaly kept the bus out of ramp????????
>
> Greg94ptCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Leroy Eckert
wrote:
> >
> > Based on my personal research and discussions with BB after this
event occurred, the coolant level sensor (installed in the highest
point of the radiator coolant) should have sent the engine with a
DDEC II into Ramp Mode as all 8v92's with DDEC II were sent out from
BB with this pre programmed. High coolant temp may not have worked
if the water abruptly dumped into the crankcase but one should also
expect high tranny temps in this case also. The sensors on my coach
which can only safely be checked by hooking up a tester on the DDL
are, coolant level, low oil pressure, high water temperature, and
low fuel pressure.I have an optional coolant level module also.
According to BB all should give an alarm if working properly and
initiate Ramp Mode within 15 seconds of an event occurring outside
the pre programmed parameters in the DDEC II. The buzzing when the
key is turned on checks the circuits integrity, not the integrety of
the sensors themselves. I gotta
> > get my coach to a shop and get it checked out. I know my coolant
level is working because I removed fluid from the tank and checked
it.
> > BB emphatically advised me not to go crossing wires on the
various sensors as it could severely damage the DDEC II system.
> > I hope you have great luck from here on out.
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> > Dahlonega, GA
> > Royale Conversion
> >
> > --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Don Bradner bluethunder@ ... wrote:
> > From: Don Bradner bluethunder@ ...
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 4:16 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> > Correct - the DDECII does not output engine oil temp, or it
would be simple to rig an alarm with VMSPC when it reached some temp.
> >
> >
> >
> > I do have an analog oil temp gauge, but it runs pretty high all
of the time - I'm not sure I would notice unless it *really* went
high!
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/19/2008 at 7:30 PM ronmarabito2002 wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >Only thing I can think of is for the safety sensors to shut it
down
> >
> > >first. Since the coolant temp did not rise, that sensor didn't
do
> >
> > >anything. It needs an oil temp sensor, but this model didn't
have
> >
> > >one. I'm planning to get a hold of Detroit to find out if one
can be
> >
> > >added. But I think it has to do with the DDEC II
> >
> > >
> >
> > >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Dan Williams"
danusa@
> >
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Ron, Is there anything that can be done to the engine to keep
this from
> >
> > >> happening again?
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Dan, 8v92, Jackson, ms
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> _____
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> From: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> >
> > >> [mailto:Wanderlodge Forum@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
ronmarabito2002
> >
> > >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:00 AM
> >
> > >> To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> >
> > >> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Going to get coach
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Hi to all of you. I paid the bill in Calgary yesterday via
direct
> >
> > >> wire transfer. The good news is: the exchange rate saved me
about
> >
> > >> $4,000 dollars, so all is not bad.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> I will fly to Calgary in the morning to pick up the coach. I
will
> >
> > >> have to button up the bedroom, since they wanted to charge me
over
> >
> > >> $600 labor to do that. I won't leave Calgary until Tuesday
morning.
> >
> > >> Plan to stop see a friend in Lewistown, MT hopefully the
first night
> >
> > >> out. Depends on how I have to run with the re-built engine. I
will
> >
> > >> take a route back home avoiding as much mountain driving as
possible.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Once back in the US and further south, I should be able to
get back
> >
> > >> on line using my dish and I can give a report on how the
engine is
> >
> > >> performing.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Dick: Sorry to hear about you tranny problems. Hope they are
minor.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
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Going to get coach - Wallace Craig - 10-20-2008 04:45

Not to make too fine a point of it, but I said taste sweet, not smell. But then who the hell would want to taste that hot mess?? lol


Wallace Craig
95 WLWB 42
Azle, Texas

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, erniecarpet@... wrote:

From: erniecarpet@...
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 7:52 PM



Wallace, when Brenda and I arrived right behind you and witnessed the gooey mess coming from your engine and all over you Durango, I don't recall anything smelling sweet. As I recall, it was a light brown in color.
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Weatherford, Texas






Going to get coach - smquandt - 10-20-2008 06:43

Greg, Leroy

I had a bad sender at the puke tank this
spring and got an immediate (10 seconds) shutdown in the middle of US-2 in
downtown Iron Mountain. The DD tech reprogrammed
the DDEC to buzzer only so I could get to the shop. Maybe the DDEC is not
programmed correctly?

Steve Quandt

1993 PT-40

Iron Mountain, MI


From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Gregory OConnor

Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008
11:03 AM

To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re:
Going to get coach



Leroy, I guess the sender at the puke tank is more of
a on off

switch. you can remove the two wires and test for continuity at

ideal condition??



One other area of issue is the overbuilt cooling system integrity.

the hoses are all top of the line major buck multiply material and

even the puketank is high quality stainless steel. If the radiator

cap is the only place to relieve over heat coolant pressure the line

to the tank and the cap have to do their job when called for. If

the cap wont open and the line is not of a larg enough id (CurtS

coolant filter??) the next week link could be a minor compramised

liner seal. Even the high fail hose to the aircompressor ages to

handel more pressure untill it cracks from an external flex. then

there is the dynamic that while overheating you are puking into the

p tank and sending a signal to the coolant level modual that all is

well with coolant level.



Ross, if I has a $9,000 generator in my boat, there would be no room

for the ores

Greg94ptCa



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com",
Leroy Eckert

...> wrote:

>

> Your line of thinking is parallel to mine except the prints for my

coolant level sensor show the switch open. If the drawing is for

normal conditions including full water in the puke tank then

presumably the sender closes forming a circuit in abnormal

conditions ie. low coolant.????Then the module sends a prompt to the

DDEC II to go to ramp mode and cut off impulses to 4 of the EUI's.

Presumably, it also disables the cruise enable also. It seems if the

switch is normally open, if circuit wires were shorted or the module

was shorted internally the indication prior to start would be "do

not start" and a stop engine light, but I do not have enough

schematics or books on the DDEC II to figure it out. What do you

think?

> I want to completely understand this system if possible. Maybe

someone else understands the thing. I have gotten this far by

studying my master coach prints, the generic systems in the DD

manual, an overall generic DDEC II schematic and talking to Glen

Rogers at BB. He was on the line when my coach was built.

> The coolant module is in the lower load center in the front of the

coach. It has 5 wires and is a DDEC system. Ignition hot, ground all

the way to the batteries, (this ground is tied into the ATEC trans

system and the cruise enable also), data wire to the ECM and two

wires to the sensor.

> Leroy Eckert

> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors

> Dahlonega, GA

> Royale Conversion

>

> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Gregory OConnor ..> wrote:

> From: Gregory OConnor ..>

> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach

> To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 9:10 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> included in the coolant level warning there is a

sensor/sender with two wires, on puke tank a seperate module unit

with five wires, some place?' and wires' .

> If the sender makes contactto complete a ground to prove proper

coolant level, a short in the sender or module or wires could cause

a false OK to operate signal.

> If the sender loosing contact and not delivering continious

ground is the signal that puts the bus in ramp mode ( 4 cylinder

power) then the ground to the module could be disconnected.

> if you remember back toa 94pt postabout loosing
one of two

DDec computer 12v+powerlinks from the battery to the Ddec and
the

post claimed that it was the power to 1/2 the cylinders. Ikinda

think half the power is a wierd way to wire 1/2 a computer and

always wondered why his bus would run on 4 cyls. since ramp
mode

is 4 cylinders, may have been the ground in the battery area (where

the coolant module gets its ground) that when cleaned up( in the

blind search for a fix), finaly kept the bus out of ramp????????

>

> Greg94ptCa

>

> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Leroy Eckert

wrote:

> >

> > Based on my personal research and discussions with BB after this

event occurred, the coolant level sensor (installed in the highest

point of the radiator coolant) should have sent the engine with a

DDEC II into Ramp Mode as all 8v92's with DDEC II were sent out from

BB with this pre programmed. High coolant temp may not have worked

if the water abruptly dumped into the crankcase but one should also

expect high tranny temps in this case also. The sensors on my coach

which can only safely be checked by hooking up a tester on the DDL

are, coolant level, low oil pressure, high water temperature, and

low fuel pressure.I have an optional coolant level module also.

According to BB all should give an alarm if working properly and

initiate Ramp Mode within 15 seconds of an event occurring outside

the pre programmed parameters in the DDEC II. The buzzing when the

key is turned on checks the circuits integrity, not the integrety of

the sensors themselves. I gotta

> > get my coach to a shop and get it checked out. I know my coolant

level is working because I removed fluid from the tank and checked

it.

> > BB emphatically advised me not to go crossing wires on the

various sensors as it could severely damage the DDEC II system.

> > I hope you have great luck from here on out.

> > Leroy Eckert

> > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors

> > Dahlonega, GA

> > Royale Conversion

> >

> > --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Don Bradner bluethunder@ ... wrote:

> > From: Don Bradner bluethunder@ ...

> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach

> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

> > Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 4:16 PM

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> > Correct - the DDECII does not output engine oil temp, or it

would be simple to rig an alarm with VMSPC when it reached some temp.

> >

> >

> >

> > I do have an analog oil temp gauge, but it runs pretty high all

of the time - I'm not sure I would notice unless it *really* went

high!

> >

> >

> >

> > On 10/19/2008 at 7:30 PM ronmarabito2002 wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > >Only thing I can think of is for the safety sensors to shut it

down

> >

> > >first. Since the coolant temp did not rise, that sensor didn't

do

> >

> > >anything. It needs an oil temp sensor, but this model didn't

have

> >

> > >one. I'm planning to get a hold of Detroit to find out if one

can be

> >

> > >added. But I think it has to do with the DDEC II

> >

> > >

> >

> > >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas,
TX 92WB40

> >

> > >

> >

> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Dan
Williams"

danusa@

> >

> > >wrote:

> >

> > >>

> >

> > >> Ron, Is there anything that can be done to the engine to
keep

this from

> >

> > >> happening again?

> >

> > >>

> >

> > >> Dan, 8v92, Jackson,
ms

> >

> > >>

> >

> > >>

> >

> > >>

> >

> > >>

> >

> > >>

> >

> > >> _____

> >

> > >>

> >

> > >> From: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

> >

> > >> [mailto:Wanderlodge Forum@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of

ronmarabito2002

> >

> > >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:00 AM

> >

> > >> To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

> >

> > >> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Going to get coach

> >

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> > >> Hi to all of you. I paid the bill in Calgary yesterday via

direct

> >

> > >> wire transfer. The good news is: the exchange rate saved me

about

> >

> > >> $4,000 dollars, so all is not bad.

> >

> > >>

> >

> > >> I will fly to Calgary
in the morning to pick up the coach. I

will

> >

> > >> have to button up the bedroom, since they wanted to charge
me

over

> >

> > >> $600 labor to do that. I won't leave Calgary until Tuesday

morning.

> >

> > >> Plan to stop see a friend in Lewistown, MT
hopefully the

first night

> >

> > >> out. Depends on how I have to run with the re-built engine.
I

will

> >

> > >> take a route back home avoiding as much mountain driving as

possible.

> >

> > >>

> >

> > >> Once back in the US and further south, I should be
able to

get back

> >

> > >> on line using my dish and I can give a report on how the

engine is

> >

> > >> performing.

> >

> > >>

> >

> > >> Dick: Sorry to hear about you tranny problems. Hope they are


minor.

> >

> > >>

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> > >> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas,
TX 92WB40

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Going to get coach - Leroy Eckert - 10-20-2008 07:59

According to Glenn Rogers at BB your coach operated as programmed from the factory. I am certain many have been jacked with by prior owners, so the current owners have a false sense of security. Hopefully, the tech put your program back to factory spec's after repair.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

--- On Mon, 10/20/08, smquandt wrote:
From: smquandt
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 2:43 PM




Greg, Leroy

I had a bad sender at the puke tank this
spring and got an immediate (10 seconds) shutdown in the middle of US-2 in
downtown Iron Mountain . The DD tech reprogrammed
the DDEC to buzzer only so I could get to the shop. Maybe the DDEC is not
programmed correctly?

Steve Quandt

1993 PT-40

Iron Mountain, MI


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11:03 AM

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Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re:
Going to get coach



Leroy, I guess the sender at the puke tank is more of
a on off

switch. you can remove the two wires and test for continuity at

ideal condition??



One other area of issue is the overbuilt cooling system integrity.

the hoses are all top of the line major buck multiply material and

even the puketank is high quality stainless steel. If the radiator

cap is the only place to relieve over heat coolant pressure the line

to the tank and the cap have to do their job when called for. If

the cap wont open and the line is not of a larg enough id (CurtS

coolant filter??) the next week link could be a minor compramised

liner seal. Even the high fail hose to the aircompressor ages to

handel more pressure untill it cracks from an external flex. then

there is the dynamic that while overheating you are puking into the

p tank and sending a signal to the coolant level modual that all is

well with coolant level.



Ross, if I has a $9,000 generator in my boat, there would be no room

for the ores

Greg94ptCa



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com",
Leroy Eckert

wrote:

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> Your line of thinking is parallel to mine except the prints for my

coolant level sensor show the switch open. If the drawing is for

normal conditions including full water in the puke tank then

presumably the sender closes forming a circuit in abnormal

conditions ie. low coolant.???? Then the module sends a prompt to the

DDEC II to go to ramp mode and cut off impulses to 4 of the EUI's.

Presumably, it also disables the cruise enable also. It seems if the

switch is normally open, if circuit wires were shorted or the module

was shorted internally the indication prior to start would be "do

not start" and a stop engine light, but I do not have enough

schematics or books on the DDEC II to figure it out. What do you

think?

> I want to completely understand this system if possible. Maybe

someone else understands the thing. I have gotten this far by

studying my master coach prints, the generic systems in the DD

manual, an overall generic DDEC II schematic and talking to Glen

Rogers at BB. He was on the line when my coach was built.

> The coolant module is in the lower load center in the front of the

coach. It has 5 wires and is a DDEC system. Ignition hot, ground all

the way to the batteries, (this ground is tied into the ATEC trans

system and the cruise enable also), data wire to the ECM and two

wires to the sensor.

> Leroy Eckert

> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors

> Dahlonega , GA

> Royale Conversion

>

> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Gregory OConnor wrote:

> From: Gregory OConnor

> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach

> To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 9:10 PM

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> included in the coolant level warning there is a

sensor/sender with two wires, on puke tank a seperate module unit

with five wires, some place?' and wires' .

> If the sender makes contactto complete a ground to prove proper

coolant level, a short in the sender or module or wires could cause

a false OK to operate signal.

> If the sender loosing contact and not delivering continious

ground is the signal that puts the bus in ramp mode ( 4 cylinder

power) then the ground to the module could be disconnected.

> if you remember back toa 94pt postabout loosing
one of two

DDec computer 12v+powerlinks from the battery to the Ddec and
the

post claimed that it was the power to 1/2 the cylinders. Ikinda

think half the power is a wierd way to wire 1/2 a computer and

always wondered why his bus would run on 4 cyls. since ramp
mode

is 4 cylinders, may have been the ground in the battery area (where

the coolant module gets its ground) that when cleaned up( in the

blind search for a fix), finaly kept the bus out of ramp????????

>

> Greg94ptCa

>

> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Leroy Eckert

wrote:

> >

> > Based on my personal research and discussions with BB after this

event occurred, the coolant level sensor (installed in the highest

point of the radiator coolant) should have sent the engine with a

DDEC II into Ramp Mode as all 8v92's with DDEC II were sent out from

BB with this pre programmed. High coolant temp may not have worked

if the water abruptly dumped into the crankcase but one should also

expect high tranny temps in this case also. The sensors on my coach

which can only safely be checked by hooking up a tester on the DDL

are, coolant level, low oil pressure, high water temperature, and

low fuel pressure.I have an optional coolant level module also.

According to BB all should give an alarm if working properly and

initiate Ramp Mode within 15 seconds of an event occurring outside

the pre programmed parameters in the DDEC II. The buzzing when the

key is turned on checks the circuits integrity, not the integrety of

the sensors themselves. I gotta

> > get my coach to a shop and get it checked out. I know my coolant

level is working because I removed fluid from the tank and checked

it.

> > BB emphatically advised me not to go crossing wires on the

various sensors as it could severely damage the DDEC II system.

> > I hope you have great luck from here on out.

> > Leroy Eckert

> > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors

> > Dahlonega , GA

> > Royale Conversion

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> > --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Don Bradner bluethunder@ ... wrote:

> > From: Don Bradner bluethunder@ ...

> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach

> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

> > Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 4:16 PM

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> > Correct - the DDECII does not output engine oil temp, or it

would be simple to rig an alarm with VMSPC when it reached some temp.

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> > I do have an analog oil temp gauge, but it runs pretty high all

of the time - I'm not sure I would notice unless it *really* went

high!

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> > On 10/19/2008 at 7:30 PM ronmarabito2002 wrote:

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> > >Only thing I can think of is for the safety sensors to shut it

down

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> > >first. Since the coolant temp did not rise, that sensor didn't

do

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> > >anything. It needs an oil temp sensor, but this model didn't

have

> >

> > >one. I'm planning to get a hold of Detroit to find out if one

can be

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> > >added. But I think it has to do with the DDEC II

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> > >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas ,
TX 92WB40

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> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Dan
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danusa@

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> > >> Ron, Is there anything that can be done to the engine to
keep

this from

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ms

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> > >> Hi to all of you. I paid the bill in Calgary yesterday via

direct

> >

> > >> wire transfer. The good news is: the exchange rate saved me

about

> >

> > >> $4,000 dollars, so all is not bad.

> >

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> > >> I will fly to Calgary in the morning to pick up the coach. I

will

> >

> > >> have to button up the bedroom, since they wanted to charge
me

over

> >

> > >> $600 labor to do that. I won't leave Calgary until Tuesday

morning.

> >

> > >> Plan to stop see a friend in Lewistown , MT hopefully the

first night

> >

> > >> out. Depends on how I have to run with the re-built engine.
I

will

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> > >> take a route back home avoiding as much mountain driving as

possible.

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> > >> Once back in the US and further south, I should be
able to

get back

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> > >> on line using my dish and I can give a report on how the

engine is

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> > >> performing.

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> > >> Dick: Sorry to hear about you tranny problems. Hope they are


minor.

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Going to get coach - ingamar2 - 10-20-2008 14:19

When you get antifreeze in oil it will look milky in color. I don't
think I would want to taste either.

Craig Hovda
90WLWB
Bigfork Mt


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> Not to make too fine a point of it, but I said taste sweet, not
smell. But then who the hell would want to taste that hot mess??
lol
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> Wallace Craig
> 95 WLWB 42
> Azle, Texas
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> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, erniecarpet@... wrote:
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> From: erniecarpet@...
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Going to get coach
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 7:52 PM
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>
> Wallace, when Brenda and I arrived right behind you and witnessed
the gooey mess coming from your engine and all over you Durango, I
don't recall anything smelling sweet. As I recall, it was a light
brown in color.
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> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Weatherford, Texas
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