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86 35 ft BB Question - birdshill123 - 09-06-2006 09:25
"Having lived in the Akron/Canton, Ohio area for many years I know
Sirpilla RV has a good reputation and I would not worry about being
scammed by them more than by anyone else selling a used vehicle. Of
course, that means a healthy amount of 'buyer beware'."
The above was posted by Roger Webb (?) Where is he to respond to that
post.
Maybe if we had an email address for that dealer we could inundate him
with e mails saying how this is beng discussed in a public forum and it
could affect his reputation. I would also ask for a rebuttal or
explanation.
Bruce
86 35 ft BB Question - birdshill123 - 09-06-2006 09:30
Found this on a web site. Note the references to customer service???
Sirpilla RV Center, Inc.
View Sirpilla RV Center, Inc. Jobs
Return to Company List
Our Mission
A deep understanding of each customer's needs is our primary mission.
Meet those needs with great products at competitive prices, and the
sales will take care of themselves. That's the key to Sirpilla RV's
four decades of unequalled success.
Our Associates
This is a relationship business. Our survival depends on our
associates' relationships with customers. That's why we commit
substantial resources to continuously improving ourselves, our
services and our products.
Customers
Our customers are everything. We know that if we continue to serve
them with creativity, compassion and competence, our competition may
catch on, but they will never catch up.
History
It all began back in 1959. Two brothers, John B. and Art Sirpilla,
decided to open an RV dealership as an offshoot of a corner gas
station. Back then RVs weren't as popular as they are today, but the
Sirpilla brothers were confident that would change. Today they've
grown to become one of the country's leading RV dealerships with over
50 employees, a facility of 25,000 feet holding an inventory of more
than $6 million in vehicles. John B. Sirpilla's son, John A.
Sirpilla, is now in charge, but the vision remains the same: create
loyal customers by concentrating on each of their needs and goals.
Employment
- Opportunity. It's one of those things that doesn't come along very
often, but when it does, you better grab on tight and not let go.
Address: 1005 Interstate Parkway ⢠Akron, OH - United States
Phone: 866-621-5888
Fax: 330-645-3560
Email: ksnyder@...
Homepage: http://www.sirpillarv.com
Contact: Karen Snyder
86 35 ft BB Question - davidkerryedwards - 09-06-2006 09:37
http://www.sirpillarv.com/
Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
>
> "Having lived in the Akron/Canton, Ohio area for many years I know
> Sirpilla RV has a good reputation and I would not worry about being
> scammed by them more than by anyone else selling a used vehicle. Of
> course, that means a healthy amount of 'buyer beware'."
>
> The above was posted by Roger Webb (?) Where is he to respond to
that
> post.
>
> Maybe if we had an email address for that dealer we could inundate
him
> with e mails saying how this is beng discussed in a public forum
and it
> could affect his reputation. I would also ask for a rebuttal or
> explanation.
>
> Bruce
>
86 35 ft BB Question - Eric Johnson - 09-06-2006 10:51
Hello Gail,
Well you're getting helpful suggestions from a lot of folks but one suggestion I
haven't
seen so far is taking them to task through magazine forums. Dealers and
manufacturers
hate to appear unfair in a magazine and will often eat dirt to keep their image
clean. I
suggest you write to the FMCA magazine, Motorhome magazine and any other trade
pubication you can think of. When Sirpilla gets a call from one of these guys,
they may
suddenly become more cooperative. I've seen it work for lots of other folks.
Regards, Eric
84FC35SBWL2
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
>
> Hello:
> Thank you all for your comments regarding the 86
> bird. Keep them coming.
> Gail Remy
>
>
>
> --- mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote:
>
> > As I understood the thread, Gail negotiated with the
> > salesman and
> > agreed to buy the Bird outside the eBay system, so
> > whatever on the
> > eBay listing is moot. I believe he stated that he
> > bought it *based
> > upon representations* by the salesman as to the
> > items that were being
> > repaired and readied for his arrival. Seems like
> > it's worth a state
> > attorney general call about a breached sale contract
> > to get the
> > deposit back.
> >
> > Where's Wallace Craig when we need him? LOL
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan
> > Wright"
> >
> > >
> > > Gail,
> > >
> > > I had a nice reply written out about exactly how
> > you could go about
> > > suing them in small claims court. Unfortunately,
> > after looking at the
> > > eBay auction, I doubt you would win. In fact I'd
> > be surprised at all
> > > if there were any way for you to get your money
> > back.
> > >
> > > The auction's terms - and they would apply even
> > though you made an
> > > off-eBay deal, as this is the only written proof
> > you have of anything
> > > - are very much in favor of the seller. Re-read
> > the "terms of sale"
> > > and check the fine print near the bottom of the
> > page where he says "a
> > > non-refundable 10% deposit". They've got you on
> > this one. (If it were
> > > my dealership, I would have given you all of your
> > money back less the
> > > $50 fee to relist it on eBay, but that's just me.)
> > >
> > > It's doubtful they will actually sue you - they
> > really don't have a
> > > case at all.
> > >
> > > One thing: Did you pay your 10% deposit via credit
> > card? If so, you
> > > can get that back easily. Just call your bank and
> > explain the
> > > situation, how they lied, how it was completely
> > misrepresented and how
> > > they refused to make it right. I can all but
> > guarantee your bank will
> > > issue a charge back and the money will be returned
> > to you. Any time I
> > > have the option of paying via credit card I take
> > it, as a good bank
> > > will always protect it's customer.
> > >
> > > Here's the real question: Who is going to call
> > that dealership up and
> > > negotiate a $12-15k deal on this coach now? Given
> > this situation, I'll
> > > bet you could pick it up for a song and a dance.
> > If it weren't for the
> > > center bath/twin bed, I'd probably hop on a plane
> > tomorrow.
> > >
> > > -Ryan
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
86 35 ft BB Question - Leroy Eckert - 09-06-2006 10:56
Certainly sounds like the desire for more than one needs or deserves= Greed.
If I can help please so state.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB 40
Niceville, Fl
----- Original Message -----
From: birdshill123
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 35 ft BB Question
Found this on a web site. Note the references to customer service???
Sirpilla RV Center, Inc.
View Sirpilla RV Center, Inc. Jobs
Return to Company List
Our Mission
A deep understanding of each customer's needs is our primary mission.
Meet those needs with great products at competitive prices, and the
sales will take care of themselves. That's the key to Sirpilla RV's
four decades of unequalled success.
Our Associates
This is a relationship business. Our survival depends on our
associates' relationships with customers. That's why we commit
substantial resources to continuously improving ourselves, our
services and our products.
Customers
Our customers are everything. We know that if we continue to serve
them with creativity, compassion and competence, our competition may
catch on, but they will never catch up.
History
It all began back in 1959. Two brothers, John B. and Art Sirpilla,
decided to open an RV dealership as an offshoot of a corner gas
station. Back then RVs weren't as popular as they are today, but the
Sirpilla brothers were confident that would change. Today they've
grown to become one of the country's leading RV dealerships with over
50 employees, a facility of 25,000 feet holding an inventory of more
than $6 million in vehicles. John B. Sirpilla's son, John A.
Sirpilla, is now in charge, but the vision remains the same: create
loyal customers by concentrating on each of their needs and goals.
Employment
- Opportunity. It's one of those things that doesn't come along very
often, but when it does, you better grab on tight and not let go.
Address: 1005 Interstate Parkway . Akron, OH - United States
Phone: 866-621-5888
Fax: 330-645-3560
Email: ksnyder@...
Homepage: http://www.sirpillarv.com
Contact: Karen Snyder
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
86 35 ft BB Question - one_dusty_hoot - 09-06-2006 12:08
And they are affiliated with Camping World,
CW doesn't want any negative publicity from
this dealership.
Might use the contact provided to invite them to
join this forum too.
But I think the best offer yet is Hank Hannigan,
toe-to-toe pro bono. Go get em Hank! sic em!
Bob Janes
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Johnson"
wrote:
>
> Hello Gail,
> Well you're getting helpful suggestions from a lot of folks but one
suggestion I haven't
> seen so far is taking them to task through magazine forums.
Dealers and manufacturers
> hate to appear unfair in a magazine and will often eat dirt to keep
their image clean. I
> suggest you write to the FMCA magazine, Motorhome magazine and any
other trade
> pubication you can think of. When Sirpilla gets a call from one of
these guys, they may
> suddenly become more cooperative. I've seen it work for lots of
other folks.
> Regards, Eric
> 84FC35SBWL2
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
wrote:
> >
> > Hello:
> > Thank you all for your comments regarding the 86
> > bird. Keep them coming.
> > Gail Remy
> >
> >
> >
> > --- mbulriss <mbulriss@> wrote:
> >
> > > As I understood the thread, Gail negotiated with the
> > > salesman and
> > > agreed to buy the Bird outside the eBay system, so
> > > whatever on the
> > > eBay listing is moot. I believe he stated that he
> > > bought it *based
> > > upon representations* by the salesman as to the
> > > items that were being
> > > repaired and readied for his arrival. Seems like
> > > it's worth a state
> > > attorney general call about a breached sale contract
> > > to get the
> > > deposit back.
> > >
> > > Where's Wallace Craig when we need him? LOL
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan
> > > Wright"
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Gail,
> > > >
> > > > I had a nice reply written out about exactly how
> > > you could go about
> > > > suing them in small claims court. Unfortunately,
> > > after looking at the
> > > > eBay auction, I doubt you would win. In fact I'd
> > > be surprised at all
> > > > if there were any way for you to get your money
> > > back.
> > > >
> > > > The auction's terms - and they would apply even
> > > though you made an
> > > > off-eBay deal, as this is the only written proof
> > > you have of anything
> > > > - are very much in favor of the seller. Re-read
> > > the "terms of sale"
> > > > and check the fine print near the bottom of the
> > > page where he says "a
> > > > non-refundable 10% deposit". They've got you on
> > > this one. (If it were
> > > > my dealership, I would have given you all of your
> > > money back less the
> > > > $50 fee to relist it on eBay, but that's just me.)
> > > >
> > > > It's doubtful they will actually sue you - they
> > > really don't have a
> > > > case at all.
> > > >
> > > > One thing: Did you pay your 10% deposit via credit
> > > card? If so, you
> > > > can get that back easily. Just call your bank and
> > > explain the
> > > > situation, how they lied, how it was completely
> > > misrepresented and how
> > > > they refused to make it right. I can all but
> > > guarantee your bank will
> > > > issue a charge back and the money will be returned
> > > to you. Any time I
> > > > have the option of paying via credit card I take
> > > it, as a good bank
> > > > will always protect it's customer.
> > > >
> > > > Here's the real question: Who is going to call
> > > that dealership up and
> > > > negotiate a $12-15k deal on this coach now? Given
> > > this situation, I'll
> > > > bet you could pick it up for a song and a dance.
> > > If it weren't for the
> > > > center bath/twin bed, I'd probably hop on a plane
> > > tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > -Ryan
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
86 35 ft BB Question - Gregory OConnor - 09-06-2006 12:53
What's a good guy from Niceville Fl gonna do. He needs an attorney
from Intercourse PA. Dealers are dealers their stereotype reputation
precedes them as does the reliability of a 20 year old bus. I still
think it was a deal for the right person and a 2,000.00 loss is
minimal for someone who was not able to look past the fact that the
genny would not run and was not able to prove the reason why. An old
bus is not for everyone.
I hope the dealer finds the right buyer and can return the deposit to
the wrong buyer. This is my appeal to them in a letter sent today.
I learned long ago to write long deposit contracts with contingent
what ifs. I tend to be too much of an ass and I start believing that
I should always win. I forget that 'more then fair' means it is less
than fair for the other party. The contract spells out both parties
understanding and intention the time of the deal making. I shake
hands while passing the pen.
The thing in all of this that is so cool to me is how everyone
rallied to help a forum member. What a nice group of friends
Gregory O'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> Certainly sounds like the desire for more than one needs or
deserves= Greed. If I can help please so state.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB 40
> Niceville, Fl
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: birdshill123
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:30 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 35 ft BB Question
>
>
> Found this on a web site. Note the references to customer
service???
>
> Sirpilla RV Center, Inc.
> View Sirpilla RV Center, Inc. Jobs
> Return to Company List
> Our Mission
> A deep understanding of each customer's needs is our primary
mission.
> Meet those needs with great products at competitive prices, and
the
> sales will take care of themselves. That's the key to Sirpilla
RV's
> four decades of unequalled success.
> Our Associates
> This is a relationship business. Our survival depends on our
> associates' relationships with customers. That's why we commit
> substantial resources to continuously improving ourselves, our
> services and our products.
> Customers
> Our customers are everything. We know that if we continue to
serve
> them with creativity, compassion and competence, our competition
may
> catch on, but they will never catch up.
> History
> It all began back in 1959. Two brothers, John B. and Art
Sirpilla,
> decided to open an RV dealership as an offshoot of a corner gas
> station. Back then RVs weren't as popular as they are today, but
the
> Sirpilla brothers were confident that would change. Today they've
> grown to become one of the country's leading RV dealerships with
over
> 50 employees, a facility of 25,000 feet holding an inventory of
more
> than $6 million in vehicles. John B. Sirpilla's son, John A.
> Sirpilla, is now in charge, but the vision remains the same:
create
> loyal customers by concentrating on each of their needs and
goals.
> Employment
> - Opportunity. It's one of those things that doesn't come along
very
> often, but when it does, you better grab on tight and not let go.
>
>
> Address: 1005 Interstate Parkway . Akron, OH - United States
> Phone: 866-621-5888
> Fax: 330-645-3560
> Email: ksnyder@...
> Homepage: http://www.sirpillarv.com
> Contact: Karen Snyder
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
86 35 ft BB Question - Tom Warner - 09-06-2006 12:56
I am sorry but there is something very fishy about this whole
transaction with the 1986 FC35 that was listed on ebay as
290020747269 . It only had a reserve of $12,000 (shown in the
vehicle description) yet Gail called the salesman up and offered
$20,000. Why??????? He could have simply bid $12,000 for it and it
would have been a binding contract. Even with a bad generator it is
worth more then then $12,000. He was told it had roof airs, it did
not. The salesman told Gail (Gails words to me) that he thought the
two pods on the roof were air conditioners. The coach actually has
cruiseairs. How could any salesman that has worked at a RV sales
place that has been in existance for over 46 years have made or been
allowed to make such an error like that?
It appears to be a side bath yet is was described as having a
corner bath? The payment methods shown on the listing are also in
conflict. Sellers instruction say : winning bidders must contact us
by telephone within 24 hours of auction closing to confirm purchase
and provide a non-refundable 10% deposit via a major credit card,
cashiers check or wire transfer.
Payment methods accepted : Cashiers check (certified from US or
canadien bank) or money order cash (in person).
I gave Gail several inputs relative to the misrepresentation of the
coach right up to the day before he left to get it, yet it appears he
just ignored everyones advice. This is one of them: http://tinyurl.com/jmxa8 .
In addition Sirpilla since 2003 is now a part of Holiday
Holdings http://tinyurl.com/ec9ae
>
One more thing. Sirpilla RV now has a special program going on. It
says "you fly, you buy, we pay". Looks like Gail might have thrown
an additonal $900 away since they may have paid for his air fare. It
would be educational for all of us to hear the other side of the
story from Sirpilla RV.
Lesson learned. Dont ever give anyone a down payment on anything you
have not either personally seen or had a reliable person check
out. But most important of all please do not condemn a company like
Sirpilla RV Super Center until you have heard the rest of the story.
Tom Warner
Vernon Center,NY
1985 PT 40
>Gail,
>
>I had a nice reply written out about exactly how you could go about
>suing them in small claims court. Unfortunately, after looking at the
>eBay auction, I doubt you would win. In fact I'd be surprised at all
>if there were any way for you to get your money back.
>
>The auction's terms - and they would apply even though you made an
>off-eBay deal, as this is the only written proof you have of anything
>- are very much in favor of the seller. Re-read the "terms of sale"
>and check the fine print near the bottom of the page where he says "a
>non-refundable 10% deposit". They've got you on this one. (If it were
>my dealership, I would have given you all of your money back less the
>$50 fee to relist it on eBay, but that's just me.)
>
>It's doubtful they will actually sue you - they really don't have a
>case at all.
>
>One thing: Did you pay your 10% deposit via credit card? If so, you
>can get that back easily. Just call your bank and explain the
>situation, how they lied, how it was completely misrepresented and how
>they refused to make it right. I can all but guarantee your bank will
>issue a charge back and the money will be returned to you. Any time I
>have the option of paying via credit card I take it, as a good bank
>will always protect it's customer.
>
>Here's the real question: Who is going to call that dealership up and
>negotiate a $12-15k deal on this coach now? Given this situation, I'll
>bet you could pick it up for a song and a dance. If it weren't for the
>center bath/twin bed, I'd probably hop on a plane tomorrow.
>
>-Ryan
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
86 35 ft BB Question - birdshill123 - 09-06-2006 13:10
There is something wrong with this whole story. The phone # on the ebay
ad is not the same as Sirpilla has on their web site. The sales mgrs.
name is Karen Sirpilla not the name listed on the ebay site. The ebay
ad appears to have been written by someone who is not familiar with
RV's. For instance it states the unit has aluminim (their spelling)
wheel covers. The English in the ad is very poor. There is no reference
to Sirpilla RV. Could a used vehicle sales mgr. be running a "parallel"
business? Does Sirpilla even know anything about this unit and the sale?
Bruce
1988 FC35
86 35 ft BB Question - Leroy Eckert - 09-06-2006 13:24
Hey Greg:
You crack me up man! LOL>LOL> lol>lol. I'll ignore the first sentence. A lot
of nice people live in Niceville and I have a local attorney, thank you.
However, you are correct. It is a Caveat Emptor world. Believe me, I'll be the
first to step up if someone is wronged. However, there can't be any hearsay,
and you nor I have seen the documents, and verbal agreements on vehicles don't
mean a #$%@ thing. Sooo, I won't let my mouth overload my !@# this go-round.
Just trying to help. In fact, there are liable, slander and restraint of
trade laws on the books in most states. I wouldn't think anyone would get into
that for $2,000, even if they were trying to help. With further info, I still
will be happy to help.
Thanks,
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL
Where a lot of nice people live
----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:53 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 35 ft BB Question
What's a good guy from Niceville Fl gonna do. He needs an attorney
from Intercourse PA. Dealers are dealers their stereotype reputation
precedes them as does the reliability of a 20 year old bus. I still
think it was a deal for the right person and a 2,000.00 loss is
minimal for someone who was not able to look past the fact that the
genny would not run and was not able to prove the reason why. An old
bus is not for everyone.
I hope the dealer finds the right buyer and can return the deposit to
the wrong buyer. This is my appeal to them in a letter sent today.
I learned long ago to write long deposit contracts with contingent
what ifs. I tend to be too much of an ass and I start believing that
I should always win. I forget that 'more then fair' means it is less
than fair for the other party. The contract spells out both parties
understanding and intention the time of the deal making. I shake
hands while passing the pen.
The thing in all of this that is so cool to me is how everyone
rallied to help a forum member. What a nice group of friends
Gregory O'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> Certainly sounds like the desire for more than one needs or
deserves= Greed. If I can help please so state.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB 40
> Niceville, Fl
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: birdshill123
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:30 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 35 ft BB Question
>
>
> Found this on a web site. Note the references to customer
service???
>
> Sirpilla RV Center, Inc.
> View Sirpilla RV Center, Inc. Jobs
> Return to Company List
> Our Mission
> A deep understanding of each customer's needs is our primary
mission.
> Meet those needs with great products at competitive prices, and
the
> sales will take care of themselves. That's the key to Sirpilla
RV's
> four decades of unequalled success.
> Our Associates
> This is a relationship business. Our survival depends on our
> associates' relationships with customers. That's why we commit
> substantial resources to continuously improving ourselves, our
> services and our products.
> Customers
> Our customers are everything. We know that if we continue to
serve
> them with creativity, compassion and competence, our competition
may
> catch on, but they will never catch up.
> History
> It all began back in 1959. Two brothers, John B. and Art
Sirpilla,
> decided to open an RV dealership as an offshoot of a corner gas
> station. Back then RVs weren't as popular as they are today, but
the
> Sirpilla brothers were confident that would change. Today they've
> grown to become one of the country's leading RV dealerships with
over
> 50 employees, a facility of 25,000 feet holding an inventory of
more
> than $6 million in vehicles. John B. Sirpilla's son, John A.
> Sirpilla, is now in charge, but the vision remains the same:
create
> loyal customers by concentrating on each of their needs and
goals.
> Employment
> - Opportunity. It's one of those things that doesn't come along
very
> often, but when it does, you better grab on tight and not let go.
>
>
> Address: 1005 Interstate Parkway . Akron, OH - United States
> Phone: 866-621-5888
> Fax: 330-645-3560
> Email: ksnyder@...
> Homepage: http://www.sirpillarv.com
> Contact: Karen Snyder
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]