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RIV Report? - jim riordan - 10-29-2008 16:27

Mike,
I agree with you, I am sorry for trying to offer a alternative option to the Ritv. There is so much animosity on our forums. It is really unfortunate.
Jim Riordan

mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote:
Hmmmm.... sorry about those prior two empty posts. I think I can safely say Google Chrome has some problems with the rich text editor and/or Yahoo Groups. Here's what I tried to post.
----------------------

Dang, I'm sorry I ever asked for a report on the Branson rally now!

I'm going to repeat what I posted in a message sometime after CCW took over:
"I think all of us are highly hopeful and optimistic that the new
engaged ownership group will restore the quality that we have all come
to enjoy in our older models. An enthusiastic and engaged ownership
with pride in their work can bring it back to where the Luce family
left off. So far, they seem off to a good start on that."
If you haven't looked at the Photos section of the 2009 Bird at Branson, you might want to take a look and see how far they have come in so short a period of time.

Now that we all know they bought a pig-in-a-poke from Cerberus (typical Cerberus deal - look at them dumping Chrysler now that they have sucked all they can out of it) we ought to be thankful CCW is still carrying on.

Most of us don't have to worry about warranty on a new Bird. That having been said, it seems clear we can have sympathy for owners with outstanding warranty issues on units built under the prior owner's reign. Obviously, significant
frustration exists for those folks. Think how you would feel. On the other hand, did CCW assume that liability at purchase? Or did the cost of warranty service remain with Cerberus? I know I exclude prior warranty responsibility when we take over another company's business.

I just hope the parties involved can resolve it amicably. Online disputes needlessly hurt the brand, the company, and ultimately,the whole ownership community.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@...
wrote:
>
> Brenda and I have been unable to attend a RIV since we were there in 2004.
> If my business was booming now like it was then, we would have been there, for
> sure.
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Weatherford, Texas
>
> **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot
> 5 Travel Deals!
> (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)
>




RIV Report? - Curt Sprenger - 10-29-2008 18:01

Hey folks. I don't usually respond to these kinds of emails that I have been reading...they are the kind that I usually delete as they are a waste of my time and waste others time. I've been out of touch with the forum emails of late. I'm just getting back into reading the last few days emails, and a lot of it makes me sick.There is no need to tare apart an organization which none of us for the most part (99.999% of us) know anything in detail. Some folks need to read and delete, not respond and fabricate on issues completely unknown to them Let's get back to issues with our almost all vintage 'Birds.Let's stop this un-based speculation and let's get back on track to helping others to resolve vintage 'Bird issues. All of us want to help others to resolve 'Bird issues. That is the way it has been for a great period of time, and it's going to be the same from this day forward...vintage 'Birds don't have a warranty and none of us vintage owners expect anything like that. I buy service and parts from CCW when available and it meets my delivery schedule. That seems like the right thing to do. Let's move on to resolving issues that we all can help resolve. Thank you for reading.


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:27 PM, jim riordan <"jqrjr@yahoo.com"> wrote:


Mike,
I agree with you, I am sorry for trying to offer a alternative option to the Ritv. There is so much animosity on our forums. It is really unfortunate.
Jim Riordan

mbulriss <"mbulriss@yahoo.com"> wrote:
Hmmmm.... sorry about those prior two empty posts. I think I can safely say Google Chrome has some problems with the rich text editor and/or Yahoo Groups. Here's what I tried to post.

----------------------

Dang, I'm sorry I ever asked for a report on the Branson rally now!

I'm going to repeat what I posted in a message sometime after CCW took over:
"I think all of us are highly hopeful and optimistic that the new

engaged ownership group will restore the quality that we have all come
to enjoy in our older models. An enthusiastic and engaged ownership
with pride in their work can bring it back to where the Luce family
left off. So far, they seem off to a good start on that."
If you haven't looked at the Photos section of the 2009 Bird at Branson, you might want to take a look and see how far they have come in so short a period of time.

Now that we all know they bought a pig-in-a-poke from Cerberus (typical Cerberus deal - look at them dumping Chrysler now that they have sucked all they can out of it) we ought to be thankful CCW is still carrying on.

Most of us don't have to worry about warranty on a new Bird. That having been said, it seems clear we can have sympathy for owners with outstanding warranty issues on units built under the prior owner's reign. Obviously, significant
frustration exists for those folks. Think how you would feel. On the other hand, did CCW assume that liability at purchase? Or did the cost of warranty service remain with Cerberus? I know I exclude prior warranty responsibility when we take over another company's business.

I just hope the parties involved can resolve it amicably. Online disputes needlessly hurt the brand, the company, and ultimately,the whole ownership community.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX


--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", erniecarpet@...
wrote:
>
> Brenda and I have been unable to attend a RIV since we were there in 2004.
> If my business was booming now like it was then, we would have been there, for
> sure.
>
> Ernie Ekberg

> 83PT40
> Weatherford, Texas
>
> **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot
> 5 Travel Deals!
> (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)

>





--
Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA

RIV Report? - Kurt Horvath - 10-29-2008 18:41

Curt,

I agreed with your thoughts, you recently wrote about removing your
radiator.. I have searched for it and I cannot find it. As usual it
was well written and exactly the Inf. I need to repair my coach.
Could you direct me to that post, As I'm preparing to remove the
condenser, exchanger and radiator. To install new insulation, turbo
and exhaust, hoses, couplers and whatever else got damaged in my
recent near catastrophic exhaust failure. Thanks for your time.

Kurt Horvath
95 PT 42
10AC


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Curt Sprenger"
wrote:
>
> Hey folks. I don't usually respond to these kinds of emails that I
have been
> reading...they are the kind that I usually delete as they are a
waste of my
> time and waste others time. I've been out of touch with the forum
emails of
> late. I'm just getting back into reading the last few days emails,
and a lot
> of it makes me sick.There is no need to tare apart an organization
which
> none of us for the most part (99.999% of us) know anything in
detail. Some
> folks need to read and delete, not respond and fabricate on issues
> completely unknown to them Let's get back to issues with our
almost all
> vintage 'Birds.Let's stop this un-based speculation and let's get
back on
> track to helping others to resolve vintage 'Bird issues. All of us
want to
> help others to resolve 'Bird issues. That is the way it has been
for a great
> period of time, and it's going to be the same from this day
> forward...vintage 'Birds don't have a warranty and none of us
vintage owners
> expect anything like that. I buy service and parts from CCW when
available
> and it meets my delivery schedule. That seems like the right thing
to do.
> Let's move on to resolving issues that we all can help resolve.
Thank you
> for reading.
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:27 PM, jim riordan wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > I agree with you, I am sorry for trying to offer a alternative
option to
> > the Ritv. There is so much animosity on our forums. It is really
> > unfortunate.
> >
> > Jim Riordan
> >
> >
> > *mbulriss <mbulriss@...>* wrote:
> >
> > Hmmmm.... sorry about those prior two empty posts. I think I can
safely
> > say Google Chrome has some problems with the rich text editor
and/or Yahoo
> > Groups. Here's what I tried to post.
> > ----------------------
> >
> > Dang, I'm sorry I ever asked for a report on the Branson rally
now!
> >
> > I'm going to repeat what I posted in a message sometime after CCW
took
> > over:
> > "I think all of us are highly hopeful and optimistic that the new
> > engaged ownership group will restore the quality that we have all
come
> > to enjoy in our older models. An enthusiastic and engaged
ownership
> > with pride in their work can bring it back to where the Luce
family
> > left off. So far, they seem off to a good start on that."
> >
> > If you haven't looked at the Photos section of the 2009 Bird at
Branson,
> > you might want to take a look and see how far they have come in
so short a
> > period of time.
> >
> > Now that we all know they bought a pig-in-a-poke from Cerberus
(typical
> > Cerberus deal - look at them dumping Chrysler now that they have
sucked all
> > they can out of it) we ought to be thankful CCW is still carrying
on.
> >
> > Most of us don't have to worry about warranty on a new Bird. That
having
> > been said, it seems clear we can have sympathy for owners with
outstanding
> > warranty issues on units built under the prior owner's reign.
Obviously,
> > significant frustration exists for those folks. Think how you
would feel. On
> > the other hand, did CCW assume that liability at purchase? Or did
the cost
> > of warranty service remain with Cerberus? I know I exclude prior
warranty
> > responsibility when we take over another company's business.
> >
> > I just hope the parties involved can resolve it amicably. Online
disputes
> > needlessly hurt the brand, the company, and ultimately, the whole
ownership
> > community.
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Brenda and I have been unable to attend a RIV since we were
there in
> > 2004.
> > > If my business was booming now like it was then, we would have
been
> > there, for
> > > sure.
> > >
> > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > 83PT40
> > > Weatherford, Texas
> > >
> > > **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out
Today's
> > Hot
> > > 5 Travel Deals!
> > > (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?
ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Curt Sprenger
> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> Anaheim Hills, CA
>

RIV Report? - Gregory OConnor - 10-30-2008 00:35

Kurt, first thing to do is soak all the crap bolts up with PB
blaster then I dab a finger full of grease on the rusted nut for
overnight wait.

Drop the stress off the manifold and turbo by not screwing with the
pipes after the maifold untill after you have disconnected the first
connection to, if not the manifold itself.

The oil hoses get dry on the thread surface. PB Blaster does a good
job there also. good hoses have a printed line on them and the line
should run true on reassembly to keep plys from seperating and
leaving interal blockage down the road.that why some time you see a
small elbow bandes midway in a hose that looks like it could be
connected in a one long piece repair.

All the hose connections that are banded need to be buffed out with
somthinig like a wire wheel prior to reassembly.

Mark mounting hardware and parts like tank top, that are to be
reinstalled with the orientation and take pre taredown pics.
run a line down the exh.pipe connection prior to taking pics to use
as a model if being replaced or as a lineup if being reassembled.

would be cool to get a bedroom temp at a control situation prior to
repair then again after. good bench mark for early detection for
future s60. your first post of hotbedroom raised no concern as hot
is not a value definable online and a hotbedroom post is dismissed
and not read the folks that post a protest that includes; I dont
read these sort of posts ???

Check with the factory to see if there has been prior issue while
under warrenty maybe there was a modification in later years, your
s60 is the first to be built????? (not suggesting it is a warrenty
issue not that that would help anyway)

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa


( .--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
wrote:
>
> Curt,
>
> I agreed with your thoughts, you recently wrote about removing
your
> radiator.. I have searched for it and I cannot find it. As usual
it
> was well written and exactly the Inf. I need to repair my coach.
> Could you direct me to that post, As I'm preparing to remove the
> condenser, exchanger and radiator. To install new insulation,
turbo
> and exhaust, hoses, couplers and whatever else got damaged in my
> recent near catastrophic exhaust failure. Thanks for your time.
>
> Kurt Horvath
> 95 PT 42
> 10AC
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Curt Sprenger"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey folks. I don't usually respond to these kinds of emails that
I
> have been
> > reading...they are the kind that I usually delete as they are a
> waste of my
> > time and waste others time. I've been out of touch with the
forum
> emails of
> > late. I'm just getting back into reading the last few days
emails,
> and a lot
> > of it makes me sick.There is no need to tare apart an
organization
> which
> > none of us for the most part (99.999% of us) know anything in
> detail. Some
> > folks need to read and delete, not respond and fabricate on
issues
> > completely unknown to them Let's get back to issues with our
> almost all
> > vintage 'Birds.Let's stop this un-based speculation and let's
get
> back on
> > track to helping others to resolve vintage 'Bird issues. All of
us
> want to
> > help others to resolve 'Bird issues. That is the way it has been
> for a great
> > period of time, and it's going to be the same from this day
> > forward...vintage 'Birds don't have a warranty and none of us
> vintage owners
> > expect anything like that. I buy service and parts from CCW when
> available
> > and it meets my delivery schedule. That seems like the right
thing
> to do.
> > Let's move on to resolving issues that we all can help resolve.
> Thank you
> > for reading.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:27 PM, jim riordan wrote:
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > I agree with you, I am sorry for trying to offer a alternative
> option to
> > > the Ritv. There is so much animosity on our forums. It is
really
> > > unfortunate.
> > >
> > > Jim Riordan
> > >
> > >
> > > *mbulriss <mbulriss@>* wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmmmm.... sorry about those prior two empty posts. I think I
can
> safely
> > > say Google Chrome has some problems with the rich text editor
> and/or Yahoo
> > > Groups. Here's what I tried to post.
> > > ----------------------
> > >
> > > Dang, I'm sorry I ever asked for a report on the Branson rally
> now!
> > >
> > > I'm going to repeat what I posted in a message sometime after
CCW
> took
> > > over:
> > > "I think all of us are highly hopeful and optimistic that the
new
> > > engaged ownership group will restore the quality that we have
all
> come
> > > to enjoy in our older models. An enthusiastic and engaged
> ownership
> > > with pride in their work can bring it back to where the Luce
> family
> > > left off. So far, they seem off to a good start on that."
> > >
> > > If you haven't looked at the Photos section of the 2009 Bird
at
> Branson,
> > > you might want to take a look and see how far they have come
in
> so short a
> > > period of time.
> > >
> > > Now that we all know they bought a pig-in-a-poke from Cerberus
> (typical
> > > Cerberus deal - look at them dumping Chrysler now that they
have
> sucked all
> > > they can out of it) we ought to be thankful CCW is still
carrying
> on.
> > >
> > > Most of us don't have to worry about warranty on a new Bird.
That
> having
> > > been said, it seems clear we can have sympathy for owners with
> outstanding
> > > warranty issues on units built under the prior owner's reign.
> Obviously,
> > > significant frustration exists for those folks. Think how you
> would feel. On
> > > the other hand, did CCW assume that liability at purchase? Or
did
> the cost
> > > of warranty service remain with Cerberus? I know I exclude
prior
> warranty
> > > responsibility when we take over another company's business.
> > >
> > > I just hope the parties involved can resolve it amicably.
Online
> disputes
> > > needlessly hurt the brand, the company, and ultimately, the
whole
> ownership
> > > community.
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Brenda and I have been unable to attend a RIV since we were
> there in
> > > 2004.
> > > > If my business was booming now like it was then, we would
have
> been
> > > there, for
> > > > sure.
> > > >
> > > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > > 83PT40
> > > > Weatherford, Texas
> > > >
> > > > **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check
out
> Today's
> > > Hot
> > > > 5 Travel Deals!
> > > > (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?
> ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Curt Sprenger
> > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> > Anaheim Hills, CA
> >
>

RIV Report? - Curt Sprenger - 10-30-2008 04:03

Kurt,

I sent you my radiator write up. I did not find it on the forum either. I'm sure it's there somewhere.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Kurt Horvath <"kguns@hughes.net"> wrote:



Curt,



I agreed with your thoughts, you recently wrote about removing your

radiator.. I have searched for it and I cannot find it. As usual it

was well written and exactly the Inf. I need to repair my coach.

Could you direct me to that post, As I'm preparing to remove the

condenser, exchanger and radiator. To install new insulation, turbo

and exhaust, hoses, couplers and whatever else got damaged in my

recent near catastrophic exhaust failure. Thanks for your time.



Kurt Horvath

95 PT 42

10AC



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Curt Sprenger"

wrote:

>

> Hey folks. I don't usually respond to these kinds of emails that I

have been

> reading...they are the kind that I usually delete as they are a

waste of my

> time and waste others time. I've been out of touch with the forum

emails of

> late. I'm just getting back into reading the last few days emails,

and a lot

> of it makes me sick.There is no need to tare apart an organization

which

> none of us for the most part (99.999% of us) know anything in

detail. Some

> folks need to read and delete, not respond and fabricate on issues

> completely unknown to them Let's get back to issues with our

almost all

> vintage 'Birds.Let's stop this un-based speculation and let's get

back on

> track to helping others to resolve vintage 'Bird issues. All of us

want to

> help others to resolve 'Bird issues. That is the way it has been

for a great

> period of time, and it's going to be the same from this day

> forward...vintage 'Birds don't have a warranty and none of us

vintage owners

> expect anything like that. I buy service and parts from CCW when

available

> and it meets my delivery schedule. That seems like the right thing

to do.

> Let's move on to resolving issues that we all can help resolve.

Thank you

> for reading.

>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:27 PM, jim riordan wrote:

>

> > Mike,

> >

> > I agree with you, I am sorry for trying to offer a alternative

option to

> > the Ritv. There is so much animosity on our forums. It is really

> > unfortunate.

> >

> > Jim Riordan

> >

> >
> > *mbulriss <mbulriss@...>* wrote:

> >

> > Hmmmm.... sorry about those prior two empty posts. I think I can

safely

> > say Google Chrome has some problems with the rich text editor

and/or Yahoo

> > Groups. Here's what I tried to post.

> > ----------------------

> >

> > Dang, I'm sorry I ever asked for a report on the Branson rally

now!

> >

> > I'm going to repeat what I posted in a message sometime after CCW

took

> > over:

> > "I think all of us are highly hopeful and optimistic that the new

> > engaged ownership group will restore the quality that we have all

come

> > to enjoy in our older models. An enthusiastic and engaged

ownership

> > with pride in their work can bring it back to where the Luce

family

> > left off. So far, they seem off to a good start on that."

> >

> > If you haven't looked at the Photos section of the 2009 Bird at

Branson,

> > you might want to take a look and see how far they have come in

so short a

> > period of time.

> >

> > Now that we all know they bought a pig-in-a-poke from Cerberus

(typical

> > Cerberus deal - look at them dumping Chrysler now that they have

sucked all

> > they can out of it) we ought to be thankful CCW is still carrying

on.

> >

> > Most of us don't have to worry about warranty on a new Bird. That

having

> > been said, it seems clear we can have sympathy for owners with

outstanding

> > warranty issues on units built under the prior owner's reign.

Obviously,

> > significant frustration exists for those folks. Think how you

would feel. On

> > the other hand, did CCW assume that liability at purchase? Or did

the cost

> > of warranty service remain with Cerberus? I know I exclude prior

warranty

> > responsibility when we take over another company's business.

> >

> > I just hope the parties involved can resolve it amicably. Online

disputes

> > needlessly hurt the brand, the company, and ultimately, the whole

ownership

> > community.

> >

> > Mike Bulriss

> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"

> > San Antonio, TX

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", erniecarpet@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Brenda and I have been unable to attend a RIV since we were

there in

> > 2004.

> > > If my business was booming now like it was then, we would have

been

> > there, for

> > > sure.

> > >

> > > Ernie Ekberg

> > > 83PT40

> > > Weatherford, Texas

> > >

> > > **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out

Today's

> > Hot

> > > 5 Travel Deals!

> > > (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?

ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>
> --

> Curt Sprenger

> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

> Anaheim Hills, CA

>






--
Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA

RIV Report? - Joyce and Richard Hayden - 10-30-2008 06:11



Very well said Curt. I agree with you completely only you said it better than I could have.
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA - At Imperial LTVA (Yuma area)
----- Original Message -----
From: "curtsprenger@gmail.com"
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: RIV Report?


Hey folks. I don't usually respond to these kinds of emails that I have been reading...they are the kind that I usually delete as they are a waste of my time and waste others time. I've been out of touch with the forum emails of late. I'm just getting back into reading the last few days emails, and a lot of it makes me sick.There is no need to tare apart an organization which none of us for the most part (99.999% of us) know anything in detail. Some folks need to read and delete, not respond and fabricate on issues completely unknown to them Let's get back to issues with our almost all vintage 'Birds.Let's stop this un-based speculation and let's get back on track to helping others to resolve vintage 'Bird issues. All of us want to help others to resolve 'Bird issues. That is the way it has been for a great period of time, and it's going to be the same from this day forward...vintage 'Birds don't have a warranty and none of us vintage owners expect anything like that. I buy service and parts from CCW when available and it meets my delivery schedule. That seems like the right thing to do. Let's move on to resolving issues that we all can help resolve. Thank you for reading.


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:27 PM, jim riordan <"jqrjr@yahoo.com"> wrote:



Mike,
I agree with you, I am sorry for trying to offer a alternative option to the Ritv. There is so much animosity on our forums. It is really unfortunate.
Jim Riordan

mbulriss <"mbulriss@yahoo.com"> wrote:
Hmmmm.... sorry about those prior two empty posts. I think I can safely say Google Chrome has some problems with the rich text editor and/or Yahoo Groups. Here's what I tried to post.
----------------------

Dang, I'm sorry I ever asked for a report on the Branson rally now!

I'm going to repeat what I posted in a message sometime after CCW took over:
"I think all of us are highly hopeful and optimistic that the new
engaged ownership group will restore the quality that we have all come
to enjoy in our older models. An enthusiastic and engaged ownership
with pride in their work can bring it back to where the Luce family
left off. So far, they seem off to a good start on that."


If you haven't looked at the Photos section of the 2009 Bird at Branson, you might want to take a look and see how far they have come in so short a period of time.

Now that we all know they bought a pig-in-a-poke from Cerberus (typical Cerberus deal - look at them dumping Chrysler now that they have sucked all they can out of it) we ought to be thankful CCW is still carrying on.

Most of us don't have to worry about warranty on a new Bird. That having been said, it seems clear we can have sympathy for owners with outstanding warranty issues on units built under the prior owner's reign. Obviously, significant frustration exists for those folks. Think how you would feel. On the other hand, did CCW assume that liability at purchase? Or did the cost of warranty service remain with Cerberus? I know I exclude prior warranty responsibility when we take over another company's business.

I just hope the parties involved can resolve it amicably. Online disputes needlessly hurt the brand, the company, and ultimately,the whole ownership community.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX


--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> Brenda and I have been unable to attend a RIV since we were there in 2004.
> If my business was booming now like it was then, we would have been there, for
> sure.
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Weatherford, Texas
>
> **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot
> 5 Travel Deals!
> (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)
>






--
Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA





RIV Report? - Kurt Horvath - 10-30-2008 08:36

Curt,

I sent a thank you earlier, but I don't see it here or in my private
e-mail, So, Thank You, it's exactly what I was looking for.

Kurt Horvath
95 Pt 42
10AC



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Curt Sprenger"
wrote:
>
> Kurt,
>
> I sent you my radiator write up. I did not find it on the forum
either. I'm
> sure it's there somewhere.
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote:
>
> > Curt,
> >
> > I agreed with your thoughts, you recently wrote about removing
your
> > radiator.. I have searched for it and I cannot find it. As usual
it
> > was well written and exactly the Inf. I need to repair my coach.
> > Could you direct me to that post, As I'm preparing to remove the
> > condenser, exchanger and radiator. To install new insulation,
turbo
> > and exhaust, hoses, couplers and whatever else got damaged in my
> > recent near catastrophic exhaust failure. Thanks for your time.
> >
> > Kurt Horvath
> > 95 PT 42
> > 10AC
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Curt Sprenger"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey folks. I don't usually respond to these kinds of emails
that I
> > have been
> > > reading...they are the kind that I usually delete as they are a
> > waste of my
> > > time and waste others time. I've been out of touch with the
forum
> > emails of
> > > late. I'm just getting back into reading the last few days
emails,
> > and a lot
> > > of it makes me sick.There is no need to tare apart an
organization
> > which
> > > none of us for the most part (99.999% of us) know anything in
> > detail. Some
> > > folks need to read and delete, not respond and fabricate on
issues
> > > completely unknown to them Let's get back to issues with our
> > almost all
> > > vintage 'Birds.Let's stop this un-based speculation and let's
get
> > back on
> > > track to helping others to resolve vintage 'Bird issues. All of
us
> > want to
> > > help others to resolve 'Bird issues. That is the way it has been
> > for a great
> > > period of time, and it's going to be the same from this day
> > > forward...vintage 'Birds don't have a warranty and none of us
> > vintage owners
> > > expect anything like that. I buy service and parts from CCW when
> > available
> > > and it meets my delivery schedule. That seems like the right
thing
> > to do.
> > > Let's move on to resolving issues that we all can help resolve.
> > Thank you
> > > for reading.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:27 PM, jim riordan wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > I agree with you, I am sorry for trying to offer a alternative
> > option to
> > > > the Ritv. There is so much animosity on our forums. It is
really
> > > > unfortunate.
> > > >
> > > > Jim Riordan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *mbulriss <mbulriss@>* wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hmmmm.... sorry about those prior two empty posts. I think I
can
> > safely
> > > > say Google Chrome has some problems with the rich text editor
> > and/or Yahoo
> > > > Groups. Here's what I tried to post.
> > > > ----------------------
> > > >
> > > > Dang, I'm sorry I ever asked for a report on the Branson rally
> > now!
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to repeat what I posted in a message sometime after
CCW
> > took
> > > > over:
> > > > "I think all of us are highly hopeful and optimistic that the
new
> > > > engaged ownership group will restore the quality that we have
all
> > come
> > > > to enjoy in our older models. An enthusiastic and engaged
> > ownership
> > > > with pride in their work can bring it back to where the Luce
> > family
> > > > left off. So far, they seem off to a good start on that."
> > > >
> > > > If you haven't looked at the Photos section of the 2009 Bird
at
> > Branson,
> > > > you might want to take a look and see how far they have come
in
> > so short a
> > > > period of time.
> > > >
> > > > Now that we all know they bought a pig-in-a-poke from Cerberus
> > (typical
> > > > Cerberus deal - look at them dumping Chrysler now that they
have
> > sucked all
> > > > they can out of it) we ought to be thankful CCW is still
carrying
> > on.
> > > >
> > > > Most of us don't have to worry about warranty on a new Bird.
That
> > having
> > > > been said, it seems clear we can have sympathy for owners with
> > outstanding
> > > > warranty issues on units built under the prior owner's reign.
> > Obviously,
> > > > significant frustration exists for those folks. Think how you
> > would feel. On
> > > > the other hand, did CCW assume that liability at purchase? Or
did
> > the cost
> > > > of warranty service remain with Cerberus? I know I exclude
prior
> > warranty
> > > > responsibility when we take over another company's business.
> > > >
> > > > I just hope the parties involved can resolve it amicably.
Online
> > disputes
> > > > needlessly hurt the brand, the company, and ultimately, the
whole
> > ownership
> > > > community.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Brenda and I have been unable to attend a RIV since we were
> > there in
> > > > 2004.
> > > > > If my business was booming now like it was then, we would
have
> > been
> > > > there, for
> > > > > sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > > > 83PT40
> > > > > Weatherford, Texas
> > > > >
> > > > > **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check
out
> > Today's
> > > > Hot
> > > > > 5 Travel Deals!
> > > > > (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?
> > ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Curt Sprenger
> > > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> > > Anaheim Hills, CA
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Curt Sprenger
> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> Anaheim Hills, CA
>

RIV Report? - Curt Sprenger - 10-30-2008 08:40

Kurt,

You are very welcome.



On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Kurt Horvath <"kguns@hughes.net"> wrote:


Curt,



I sent a thank you earlier, but I don't see it here or in my private

e-mail, So, Thank You, it's exactly what I was looking for.



Kurt Horvath

95 Pt 42


10AC



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Curt Sprenger"

wrote:

>
> Kurt,

>

> I sent you my radiator write up. I did not find it on the forum

either. I'm

> sure it's there somewhere.

>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote:

>

> > Curt,

> >

> > I agreed with your thoughts, you recently wrote about removing

your

> > radiator.. I have searched for it and I cannot find it. As usual

it

> > was well written and exactly the Inf. I need to repair my coach.

> > Could you direct me to that post, As I'm preparing to remove the

> > condenser, exchanger and radiator. To install new insulation,

turbo

> > and exhaust, hoses, couplers and whatever else got damaged in my

> > recent near catastrophic exhaust failure. Thanks for your time.

> >

> > Kurt Horvath

> > 95 PT 42

> > 10AC

> >
> > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
40yahoogroups.com>,

> > "Curt Sprenger"

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hey folks. I don't usually respond to these kinds of emails

that I

> > have been

> > > reading...they are the kind that I usually delete as they are a

> > waste of my

> > > time and waste others time. I've been out of touch with the

forum

> > emails of

> > > late. I'm just getting back into reading the last few days

emails,

> > and a lot

> > > of it makes me sick.There is no need to tare apart an

organization

> > which

> > > none of us for the most part (99.999% of us) know anything in

> > detail. Some

> > > folks need to read and delete, not respond and fabricate on

issues

> > > completely unknown to them Let's get back to issues with our

> > almost all

> > > vintage 'Birds.Let's stop this un-based speculation and let's

get

> > back on

> > > track to helping others to resolve vintage 'Bird issues. All of

us

> > want to

> > > help others to resolve 'Bird issues. That is the way it has been

> > for a great

> > > period of time, and it's going to be the same from this day

> > > forward...vintage 'Birds don't have a warranty and none of us

> > vintage owners

> > > expect anything like that. I buy service and parts from CCW when

> > available

> > > and it meets my delivery schedule. That seems like the right

thing

> > to do.

> > > Let's move on to resolving issues that we all can help resolve.

> > Thank you

> > > for reading.

> > >

> > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:27 PM, jim riordan wrote:

> > >

> > > > Mike,

> > > >

> > > > I agree with you, I am sorry for trying to offer a alternative

> > option to

> > > > the Ritv. There is so much animosity on our forums. It is

really

> > > > unfortunate.

> > > >

> > > > Jim Riordan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > *mbulriss <mbulriss@>* wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hmmmm.... sorry about those prior two empty posts. I think I

can

> > safely

> > > > say Google Chrome has some problems with the rich text editor

> > and/or Yahoo

> > > > Groups. Here's what I tried to post.

> > > > ----------------------

> > > >

> > > > Dang, I'm sorry I ever asked for a report on the Branson rally

> > now!

> > > >

> > > > I'm going to repeat what I posted in a message sometime after

CCW

> > took

> > > > over:

> > > > "I think all of us are highly hopeful and optimistic that the

new

> > > > engaged ownership group will restore the quality that we have

all

> > come

> > > > to enjoy in our older models. An enthusiastic and engaged

> > ownership

> > > > with pride in their work can bring it back to where the Luce

> > family

> > > > left off. So far, they seem off to a good start on that."

> > > >

> > > > If you haven't looked at the Photos section of the 2009 Bird

at

> > Branson,

> > > > you might want to take a look and see how far they have come

in

> > so short a

> > > > period of time.

> > > >

> > > > Now that we all know they bought a pig-in-a-poke from Cerberus

> > (typical

> > > > Cerberus deal - look at them dumping Chrysler now that they

have

> > sucked all

> > > > they can out of it) we ought to be thankful CCW is still

carrying

> > on.

> > > >

> > > > Most of us don't have to worry about warranty on a new Bird.

That

> > having

> > > > been said, it seems clear we can have sympathy for owners with

> > outstanding

> > > > warranty issues on units built under the prior owner's reign.

> > Obviously,

> > > > significant frustration exists for those folks. Think how you

> > would feel. On

> > > > the other hand, did CCW assume that liability at purchase? Or

did

> > the cost

> > > > of warranty service remain with Cerberus? I know I exclude

prior

> > warranty

> > > > responsibility when we take over another company's business.

> > > >

> > > > I just hope the parties involved can resolve it amicably.

Online

> > disputes

> > > > needlessly hurt the brand, the company, and ultimately, the

whole

> > ownership

> > > > community.

> > > >

> > > > Mike Bulriss

> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"

> > > > San Antonio, TX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >
> > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
40yahoogroups.com>,

> > erniecarpet@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Brenda and I have been unable to attend a RIV since we were

> > there in

> > > > 2004.

> > > > > If my business was booming now like it was then, we would

have

> > been

> > > > there, for

> > > > > sure.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ernie Ekberg

> > > > > 83PT40

> > > > > Weatherford, Texas

> > > > >

> > > > > **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check

out

> > Today's

> > > > Hot

> > > > > 5 Travel Deals!

> > > > > (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?

> > ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Curt Sprenger

> > > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

> > > Anaheim Hills, CA

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Curt Sprenger

> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

> Anaheim Hills, CA

>






--
Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA

RIV Report? - Macy Neshati - 10-30-2008 09:47

Greg, first of all I commend you for your fight for someone who was not able to fight for themselves, you have my deepest respect and admiration.



I understand everyone has a story but my comments to you were specifically to try to understand your dislike and disdain for CCW, and me it seems, in particular.



My invitation stands, come see me, sit down and have a cup of coffee, and lets find all the common ground we have to both stand on and how we can work together to better the brand, the aftermarket support, and the long term health of the company. You know where to find me.

Thanks

Macy

Macy Neshati

Vice President, Sales & Marketing

Complete Coach Works & Blue Bird Coachworks

Office: 951-684-9585 Cell: 951-836-6525 Fax: 951-684-9585

Visit Our Websites: http://www.completecoach.com &http://www.bluebirdcoachworks.com



RIV Report? - Macy Neshati - 10-30-2008 10:19

Mr. Chaffin, I only responded directly to you on two issues. One is you calling me a liar, and two claiming we had prior knowledge of the front axle problem before we bought the company. There is no way you can refute or respond to either of those items.



The balance of my response was in answer to all the other emails and accusations that started swirling around your original email.



I do thank you for your well wishes for our friend and business associate. As always, travel safe

Macy

Macy Neshati

Vice President, Sales & Marketing

Complete Coach Works & Blue Bird Coachworks

Office: 951-684-9585 Cell: 951-836-6525 Fax: 951-684-9585

Visit Our Websites: http://www.completecoach.com &http://www.bluebirdcoachworks.com