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Transmission Trouble - oenep - 07-19-2005 06:24 1985 PT40 140,000 miles 6V92 w/MT654. On the way home from a small vacation I accelerated from a stop light wound up and slipped at the shift point into second. I say that did not feel right. Stopped at one more light before the e-way and this time accelerated a bitt more carefully, 1st slipp 2nd,3rd,4th and then no 5th at all. I pulled off on the shoulder and checked everything, all fine. So 80 miles from home, this is going to get expensive any way I look at it, so I limped home with the gear selctor in 4th, tranny temp. running at 205. I let things cool down and dropped the pan and found metal shavings in there. Looks like I have a good size project in front of me. Motor and tranny are coming out. I will let you all know what I find. I changed all fluids and filters before we left for New Orleans 5 months and 3,000 miles ago with no inicators at that time. Oene Pomper Transmission Trouble - Stephen Birtles - 07-19-2005 07:04 Oene Ebay item 7987395393 is for a MT^650 but this guy lists a mt654 further down in his listing Stephen 77fc35 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "oenep" > 1985 PT40 140,000 miles 6V92 w/MT654. On the way home from a small > vacation I accelerated from a stop light wound up and slipped at the > shift point into second. I say that did not feel right. Stopped at one > more light before the e-way and this time accelerated a bitt more > carefully, 1st slipp 2nd,3rd,4th and then no 5th at all. I pulled off > on the shoulder and checked everything, all fine. So 80 miles from > home, this is going to get expensive any way I look at it, so I limped > home with the gear selctor in 4th, tranny temp. running at 205. I let > things cool down and dropped the pan and found metal shavings in there. > Looks like I have a good size project in front of me. Motor and tranny > are coming out. I will let you all know what I find. > I changed all fluids and filters before we left for New Orleans 5 > months and 3,000 miles ago with no inicators at that time. > Oene Pomper Transmission Trouble - Neil & Pat LeKander - 07-19-2005 12:04 Hi Oene, I am really sorry to hear of your transmission problem, coming from one who has been there. You were indeed fortunate to be able to limp home, the BB is a sorry sight on the rear of a tow truck. Interesting, my 1985 PT-36 transmission went out 3 years ago at approximately 160k; when it occurred I assumed (wrong) that the old MT654CR would be relatively easy to find already rebuilt. Even Allison no longer offers a rebuilt or remanufactured unit. I ended up having mine rebuilt in Phoenix at no small cost but at least all is well now. One thing I would suggest is to negotiate the warranty. What I found out was that virtually all rebuilders offer a simple one-year warranty which in the case of a motorhome means absolutely noting. I was able to coax a 3-year warranty out of them to protect my $5000+ cost. Just a point of curiosity why pull the engine? It is not necessary for the transmission job. Regards and good luck! Neil Author, "The RVer's Ultimate Survival Guide" http://www.rvsafetyinfo.com author@... 1985 PT40 140,000 miles 6V92 w/MT654. On the way home from a small vacation I accelerated from a stop light wound up and slipped at the shift point into second. I say that did not feel right. Stopped at one more light before the e-way and this time accelerated a bitt more carefully, 1st slipp 2nd,3rd,4th and then no 5th at all. I pulled off on the shoulder and checked everything, all fine. So 80 miles from home, this is going to get expensive any way I look at it, so I limped home with the gear selctor in 4th, tranny temp. running at 205. I let things cool down and dropped the pan and found metal shavings in there. Looks like I have a good size project in front of me. Motor and tranny are coming out. I will let you all know what I find. I changed all fluids and filters before we left for New Orleans 5 months and 3,000 miles ago with no inicators at that time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Transmission Trouble - Tom Warner - 07-19-2005 12:54 I am curious as to why there is so much difference between rebuilding and installing a MT654CR in a PT and a MT643 in a Forward Control. I am being quoted approx $1100 for the tranny and $800 for the labor to change it out a far cry from $5000. Is there that much difference in the labor involved? tom 1982 FC35 Vernon Center,NY At 05:04 PM 7/19/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Oene, I am really sorry to hear of your transmission problem, coming from >one who has been there. You were indeed fortunate to be able to limp home, >the BB is a sorry sight on the rear of a tow truck. Interesting, my 1985 >PT-36 transmission went out 3 years ago at approximately 160k; when it >occurred I assumed (wrong) that the old MT654CR would be relatively easy to >find already rebuilt. Even Allison no longer offers a rebuilt or >remanufactured unit. I ended up having mine rebuilt in Phoenix at no small >cost but at least all is well now. One thing I would suggest is to >negotiate the warranty. What I found out was that virtually all rebuilders >offer a simple one-year warranty which in the case of a motorhome means >absolutely noting. I was able to coax a 3-year warranty out of them to >protect my $5000+ cost. > >Just a point of curiosity why pull the engine? It is not necessary for the >transmission job. > >Regards and good luck! > >Neil >Author, "The RVer's Ultimate Survival Guide" >http://www.rvsafetyinfo.com >author@... > > >1985 PT40 140,000 miles 6V92 w/MT654. On the way home from a small >vacation I accelerated from a stop light wound up and slipped at the >shift point into second. I say that did not feel right. Stopped at one >more light before the e-way and this time accelerated a bitt more >carefully, 1st slipp 2nd,3rd,4th and then no 5th at all. I pulled off >on the shoulder and checked everything, all fine. So 80 miles from >home, this is going to get expensive any way I look at it, so I limped >home with the gear selctor in 4th, tranny temp. running at 205. I let >things cool down and dropped the pan and found metal shavings in there. >Looks like I have a good size project in front of me. Motor and tranny >are coming out. I will let you all know what I find. >I changed all fluids and filters before we left for New Orleans 5 >months and 3,000 miles ago with no inicators at that time. > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >---------- >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group > "<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum>WanderlodgeForum" on the web. > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > odgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >---------- Transmission Trouble - Neil & Pat LeKander - 07-19-2005 13:36 Hi Tom, definitively all I can tell you about the relative cost differential is what was told to me by Allison and several rebuilders that I contacted. They indicated that the 654cr is an entirely different animal in that it is a 5 speed utilizing close ratio gear and was equipped with a retarder. Thus, there are virtually none of these in the rebuilders pool resulting in much higher prices. The $5000 that I spent did include replacing the torque converter also something that is generally not quoted on initial contact. The labor to exchange as I recall was near $1500 and amount which is understandable when watching the process on the PT. Just enjoy your very reasonable quote. Regards, Neil Author, "The RVer's Ultimate Survival Guide" http://www.rvsafetyinfo.com author@... I am curious as to why there is so much difference between rebuilding and installing a MT654CR in a PT and a MT643 in a Forward Control. I am being quoted approx $1100 for the tranny and $800 for the labor to change it out a far cry from $5000. Is there that much difference in the labor involved? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Transmission Trouble - oenep - 07-19-2005 13:59 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Neil & Pat LeKander > Hi Oene, I am really sorry to hear of your transmission problem, coming from > one who has been there. You were indeed fortunate to be able to limp home, > the BB is a sorry sight on the rear of a tow truck. Interesting, my 1985 > PT-36 transmission went out 3 years ago at approximately 160k; when it > occurred I assumed (wrong) that the old MT654CR would be relatively easy to > find already rebuilt. Even Allison no longer offers a rebuilt or > remanufactured unit. I ended up having mine rebuilt in Phoenix at no small > cost but at least all is well now. One thing I would suggest is to > negotiate the warranty. What I found out was that virtually all rebuilders > offer a simple one-year warranty which in the case of a motorhome means > absolutely noting. I was able to coax a 3-year warranty out of them to > protect my $5000+ cost. > > Just a point of curiosity why pull the engine? It is not necessary for the > transmission job. > > Regards and good luck! > > Neil > Author, "The RVer's Ultimate Survival Guide" > http://www.rvsafetyinfo.com > author@r... > > > 1985 PT40 140,000 miles 6V92 w/MT654. On the way home from a small > vacation I accelerated from a stop light wound up and slipped at the > shift point into second. I say that did not feel right. Stopped at one > more light before the e-way and this time accelerated a bitt more > carefully, 1st slipp 2nd,3rd,4th and then no 5th at all. I pulled off > on the shoulder and checked everything, all fine. So 80 miles from > home, this is going to get expensive any way I look at it, so I limped > home with the gear selctor in 4th, tranny temp. running at 205. I let > things cool down and dropped the pan and found metal shavings in there. > Looks like I have a good size project in front of me. Motor and tranny > are coming out. I will let you all know what I find. > I changed all fluids and filters before we left for New Orleans 5 > months and 3,000 miles ago with no inicators at that time. > > I store the Bird in my garage at home and am building a dolly (about a $100)to roll the engine and tranny right out the back. I figure at this point why not check everything out. Oene Pomper > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Transmission Trouble - Scott Peatross - 07-20-2005 05:22 Tom, $1100 for a rebuilt MT643 is a gift. At that price, I would make darn sure the rebuilder is reputable. Scott Peatross '87PT40 Tom Warner I am curious as to why there is so much difference between rebuilding and installing a MT654CR in a PT and a MT643 in a Forward Control. I am being quoted approx $1100 for the tranny and $800 for the labor to change it out a far cry from $5000. Is there that much difference in the labor involved? tom 1982 FC35 Vernon Center,NY At 05:04 PM 7/19/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Oene, I am really sorry to hear of your transmission problem, coming from >one who has been there. You were indeed fortunate to be able to limp home, >the BB is a sorry sight on the rear of a tow truck. Interesting, my 1985 >PT-36 transmission went out 3 years ago at approximately 160k; when it >occurred I assumed (wrong) that the old MT654CR would be relatively easy to >find already rebuilt. Even Allison no longer offers a rebuilt or >remanufactured unit. I ended up having mine rebuilt in Phoenix at no small >cost but at least all is well now. One thing I would suggest is to >negotiate the warranty. What I found out was that virtually all rebuilders >offer a simple one-year warranty which in the case of a motorhome means >absolutely noting. I was able to coax a 3-year warranty out of them to >protect my $5000+ cost. > >Just a point of curiosity why pull the engine? It is not necessary for the >transmission job. > >Regards and good luck! > >Neil >Author, "The RVer's Ultimate Survival Guide" >http://www.rvsafetyinfo.com >author@... > > >1985 PT40 140,000 miles 6V92 w/MT654. On the way home from a small >vacation I accelerated from a stop light wound up and slipped at the >shift point into second. I say that did not feel right. Stopped at one >more light before the e-way and this time accelerated a bitt more >carefully, 1st slipp 2nd,3rd,4th and then no 5th at all. I pulled off >on the shoulder and checked everything, all fine. So 80 miles from >home, this is going to get expensive any way I look at it, so I limped >home with the gear selctor in 4th, tranny temp. running at 205. I let >things cool down and dropped the pan and found metal shavings in there. >Looks like I have a good size project in front of me. Motor and tranny >are coming out. I will let you all know what I find. >I changed all fluids and filters before we left for New Orleans 5 >months and 3,000 miles ago with no inicators at that time. > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >---------- >YAHOO! 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