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Air horns - tom240842@... - 10-11-2005 12:59
Hi again all,
I have Buell air horns on my coach. I talked to Dave, a tech rep there, and
my horns are not tunable. I initially called him about getting the horns
re-chromed (they are looking a little ratty after 25 years), they would do it
for $295.00 for the pair, new horns are about $560.00 a pair. So I will have
to think long and hard about getting them re-chromed. Another option would
be is to go to a "truck graveyard" and see if it could get used ones that
would fit. The folks at Buell were really helpful, but no idea why one horn
will
work and the other one won't.
Tom Meservey, USN (Ret)
'81FC33' toot-toot
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Air horns - krminyl@... - 08-21-2006 02:48
My 86PT has airhorns manufactured by Grover...give them a call...they might
have parts or help in finding what you need.. Their website is:
_www.groverproducts.com_ (http://www.groverproducts.com)
Good luck....
Kevin Mc
YL CA
86 38PT
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Air horns - Richard Hayden - 08-21-2006 06:22
Does anyone have any idea where or if there are parts for the Jabsco air horns?
They are apparently no longer made by Jabsco. I called my local marine store
with a number for the service kit listed on the sheet that came with BB. No
luck, not listed at all. The service kit includes a spring and a diaphragm. I
looked around on the internet and couldn't find where they may had been bought
and now produced by another company. Anyone have any suggestions?
Thanx
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
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Air horns - Richard Hayden - 08-21-2006 07:24
Thanks Kevin,
I just discovered that I also have Grover horns. The product sheet in the Blue
Box indicated Jabsco and I was just going by that. Then I climbed up there and
dissembled the non working horn and discovered it was a Grover. I tried to call
them but it must have been lunch hour. I'll try again later. My problem now
seems to be a sticking relay. They blow for quite a long time. My wife
discovered that hitting the steering wheel would make them stop which probably
means that the relay is close enough to the steering column to be jarred by
hitting the wheel. Oh well, I'll keep looking.
My guess is that Grover may have made air horns for Jabsco at one time and don't
now. Years ago I installed Jabsco horns on several boats including my own.
But, that was a long time ago in another life.
Thanx again.
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: krminyl@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
My 86PT has airhorns manufactured by Grover...give them a call...they might
have parts or help in finding what you need.. Their website is:
_www.groverproducts.com_
(http://www.groverproducts.com<http://www.groverproducts.com/>)
Good luck....
Kevin Mc
YL CA
86 38PT
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Air horns - gmktm450 - 08-21-2006 07:43
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hayden"
>
> Does anyone have any idea where or if there are parts for the
Jabsco air horns? They are apparently no longer made by Jabsco. I
called my local marine store with a number for the service kit
listed on the sheet that came with BB. No luck, not listed at all.
The service kit includes a spring and a diaphragm. I looked around
on the internet and couldn't find where they may had been bought and
now produced by another company. Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Thanx
>
> Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
>
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>
Dick, do your search for ITT-Jabsco. ITT bought them out several
years ago, but Jabsco is still a division. Maybe you will have some
luck that way.
George McMahan, Lubbock, Texas, 36 450 LXi
Air horns - Richard Hayden - 08-21-2006 07:50
PS - I'm not so smart alter all - NO RELAY. Now what? Both horns stay on after
button or foot switch is released and bumping the steering wheel stops them.
Any suggestions?
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hayden
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
Thanks Kevin,
I just discovered that I also have Grover horns. The product sheet in the Blue
Box indicated Jabsco and I was just going by that. Then I climbed up there and
dissembled the non working horn and discovered it was a Grover. I tried to call
them but it must have been lunch hour. I'll try again later. My problem now
seems to be a sticking relay. They blow for quite a long time. My wife
discovered that hitting the steering wheel would make them stop which probably
means that the relay is close enough to the steering column to be jarred by
hitting the wheel. Oh well, I'll keep looking.
My guess is that Grover may have made air horns for Jabsco at one time and
don't now. Years ago I installed Jabsco horns on several boats including my own.
But, that was a long time ago in another life.
Thanx again.
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From:
krminyl@...
To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
My 86PT has airhorns manufactured by Grover...give them a call...they might
have parts or help in finding what you need.. Their website is:
_www.groverproducts.com_
(http://www.groverproducts.com<http://www.groverproducts.com/><http://wwwgroverp\
roducts.com/<http://www.groverproducts.com/>>)
Good luck....
Kevin Mc
YL CA
86 38PT
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Air horns - Leroy Eckert - 08-21-2006 08:43
Dick:
I don't have my diagrams in front of me but following the theory that air horns
do not blow without air , I would look for a valve that transfers coach air to
the horns. See how it is configured. It must have input and output air and
at least two wires, one for the foot switch and one for the horn button. Track
the wires back and go from there. Sounds like something is holding the valve
open, or if it's near the wheel after you whack it the valve closes. That
would indicate internal valve problems. Mine has another switch that changes
the wheel horn button from air to electric. The foot air horn remains
operating on air so I can play them together. Hope this guess helps you.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB40
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hayden
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
PS - I'm not so smart alter all - NO RELAY. Now what? Both horns stay on after
button or foot switch is released and bumping the steering wheel stops them. Any
suggestions?
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hayden
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
Thanks Kevin,
I just discovered that I also have Grover horns. The product sheet in the Blue
Box indicated Jabsco and I was just going by that. Then I climbed up there and
dissembled the non working horn and discovered it was a Grover. I tried to call
them but it must have been lunch hour. I'll try again later. My problem now
seems to be a sticking relay. They blow for quite a long time. My wife
discovered that hitting the steering wheel would make them stop which probably
means that the relay is close enough to the steering column to be jarred by
hitting the wheel. Oh well, I'll keep looking.
My guess is that Grover may have made air horns for Jabsco at one time and
don't now. Years ago I installed Jabsco horns on several boats including my own.
But, that was a long time ago in another life.
Thanx again.
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From:
krminyl@...
To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
My 86PT has airhorns manufactured by Grover...give them a call...they might
have parts or help in finding what you need.. Their website is:
_www.groverproducts.com_
(http://www.groverproducts.com<http://www.groverproducts.com/><http://wwwgroverp\
roducts.com/<http://www.groverproducts.com/>>)
Good luck....
Kevin Mc
YL CA
86 38PT
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Air horns - Richard Hayden - 08-21-2006 09:13
Thanks for the reply Leroy. It seems that the dash switch might be going bad.
When it is in the "air horn" position it sticks on for varying amounts of time.
When the dash switch is in the "electric horn" position, everything seems to be
normal. No prolonged blasts. Maybe something is touching the switch terminal
and giving it a resistance ground or the switch itself is dirty inside and by
tapping the wheel it vibrates it and moves away and stops the air horn. Strange
though that it wouldn't do the same thing when the electric horn is used.
Anyway, everything works properly when the switch is in the electric position
and I can still use the air horn using the foot switch.
Thanx again.
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
Dick:
I don't have my diagrams in front of me but following the theory that air
horns do not blow without air , I would look for a valve that transfers coach
air to the horns. See how it is configured. It must have input and output air
and at least two wires, one for the foot switch and one for the horn button.
Track the wires back and go from there. Sounds like something is holding the
valve open, or if it's near the wheel after you whack it the valve closes. That
would indicate internal valve problems. Mine has another switch that changes the
wheel horn button from air to electric. The foot air horn remains operating on
air so I can play them together. Hope this guess helps you.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB40
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hayden
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
PS - I'm not so smart alter all - NO RELAY. Now what? Both horns stay on after
button or foot switch is released and bumping the steering wheel stops them. Any
suggestions?
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hayden
To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
Thanks Kevin,
I just discovered that I also have Grover horns. The product sheet in the Blue
Box indicated Jabsco and I was just going by that. Then I climbed up there and
dissembled the non working horn and discovered it was a Grover. I tried to call
them but it must have been lunch hour. I'll try again later. My problem now
seems to be a sticking relay. They blow for quite a long time. My wife
discovered that hitting the steering wheel would make them stop which probably
means that the relay is close enough to the steering column to be jarred by
hitting the wheel. Oh well, I'll keep looking.
My guess is that Grover may have made air horns for Jabsco at one time and
don't now. Years ago I installed Jabsco horns on several boats including my own.
But, that was a long time ago in another life.
Thanx again.
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From:
krminyl@...
To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
My 86PT has airhorns manufactured by Grover...give them a call...they might
have parts or help in finding what you need.. Their website is:
_www.groverproducts.com_
(http://www.groverproducts.com<http://www.groverproducts.com/><http://wwwgroverp\
roducts.com/<http://www.groverproducts.com/>><http://wwwgroverproducts.com/
cts.com/>>>)
Good luck....
Kevin Mc
YL CA
86 38PT
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Air horns - Richard Hayden - 08-21-2006 09:36
I did that George with negative results. Jabsco no longer carries air horns.
However, I discovered that I have Grover horns. (I suspect that Grover made air
horns for Jabsco at some time in the past). Grover does have repair kits and I
will order them as soon as I can get a response from them. I only hope they are
the same.
Thanx again.
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: gmktm450
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:43 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Air horns
--- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
"Richard Hayden"
>
> Does anyone have any idea where or if there are parts for the
Jabsco air horns? They are apparently no longer made by Jabsco. I
called my local marine store with a number for the service kit
listed on the sheet that came with BB. No luck, not listed at all.
The service kit includes a spring and a diaphragm. I looked around
on the internet and couldn't find where they may had been bought and
now produced by another company. Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Thanx
>
> Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Dick, do your search for ITT-Jabsco. ITT bought them out several
years ago, but Jabsco is still a division. Maybe you will have some
luck that way.
George McMahan, Lubbock, Texas, 36 450 LXi
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Air horns - Leroy Eckert - 08-21-2006 10:15
Dick:
Ok, it's not the air transfer valve because the foot air horn works properly.
I wouldn't think it's in the horn button because the electric horn works
properly. Hummm, I'm trying to come up with a reason why it would be the
selector switch because it its on or off. Sounds like it may be something in
between. Wish I had my diagrams here.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB40
Niceville, FL
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB40
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hayden
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
Thanks for the reply Leroy. It seems that the dash switch might be going bad.
When it is in the "air horn" position it sticks on for varying amounts of time.
When the dash switch is in the "electric horn" position, everything seems to be
normal. No prolonged blasts. Maybe something is touching the switch terminal and
giving it a resistance ground or the switch itself is dirty inside and by
tapping the wheel it vibrates it and moves away and stops the air horn. Strange
though that it wouldn't do the same thing when the electric horn is used.
Anyway, everything works properly when the switch is in the electric position
and I can still use the air horn using the foot switch.
Thanx again.
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
Dick:
I don't have my diagrams in front of me but following the theory that air
horns do not blow without air , I would look for a valve that transfers coach
air to the horns. See how it is configured. It must have input and output air
and at least two wires, one for the foot switch and one for the horn button.
Track the wires back and go from there. Sounds like something is holding the
valve open, or if it's near the wheel after you whack it the valve closes. That
would indicate internal valve problems. Mine has another switch that changes the
wheel horn button from air to electric. The foot air horn remains operating on
air so I can play them together. Hope this guess helps you.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB40
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hayden
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
PS - I'm not so smart alter all - NO RELAY. Now what? Both horns stay on after
button or foot switch is released and bumping the steering wheel stops them. Any
suggestions?
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hayden
To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
Thanks Kevin,
I just discovered that I also have Grover horns. The product sheet in the Blue
Box indicated Jabsco and I was just going by that. Then I climbed up there and
dissembled the non working horn and discovered it was a Grover. I tried to call
them but it must have been lunch hour. I'll try again later. My problem now
seems to be a sticking relay. They blow for quite a long time. My wife
discovered that hitting the steering wheel would make them stop which probably
means that the relay is close enough to the steering column to be jarred by
hitting the wheel. Oh well, I'll keep looking.
My guess is that Grover may have made air horns for Jabsco at one time and
don't now. Years ago I installed Jabsco horns on several boats including my own.
But, that was a long time ago in another life.
Thanx again.
Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From:
krminyl@...
To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air horns
My 86PT has airhorns manufactured by Grover...give them a call...they might
have parts or help in finding what you need.. Their website is:
_www.groverproducts.com_
(http://www.groverproducts.com<http://www.groverproducts.com/><http://wwwgroverp\
roducts.com/<http://www.groverproducts.com/>><http://wwwgroverproducts.com/
cts.com/>>>)
Good luck....
Kevin Mc
YL CA
86 38PT
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