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Montanna LLC - David A. Scott - 02-06-2006 20:03 Is this strictly legal? I've heard there can be issues if you are stopped in an RV which is registered in one state and your drivers license is from a different state. I had Benett Law form an LLC and registered my bus in Montana, toad too. It was very fast, had my plates and registrations in less than a week. The wohle thing cost around $1200. Every year after the total cost is less than $200 per year, can't remember exactly. If you talk to John Bennett tell him James says hello. -James 78FC33SB LasVegas NV Montanna LLC - John Suter - 02-07-2006 01:11 Hi David, > Is this strictly legal? I spent considerable time with the "legal eagles" who had a booth at FMCA this year. After some careful parsing of words, they told me they no longer recommend this form of titling for RV's for people who are domiciled in Florida (and some other states which I can't recall). It's my understanding, a problem for us FL folks is the issue of an "implied lease" between the ownership entity (LLC) and the asset user (FL resident) wherein the monthly lease value may be subject to FL sales tax. "Forewarned is Forearmed," a bean counter once said! John Suter > I had Benett Law form an LLC and registered my bus > in Montana, toad > too. It was very fast, had my plates and > registrations in less than > a week. The wohle thing cost around $1200. Every > year after the > total cost is less than $200 per year, can't > remember exactly. > > If you talk to John Bennett tell him James says > hello. > > -James > 78FC33SB > LasVegas NV __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Montanna LLC - George Lowry - 02-07-2006 02:35 We have a Montana Corporation and can speak from personal experience. First, notice that it is a corporation! That means it is a legal entity just like any person. The corporation is a legal resident of the state where it incorporated and can do any business, etc. that is allowed in that state. There are many companies that are incorporated in various states and they own vehicles that are driven throughout the country. For example, many of the large corporations are incorporated in Delaware, a state that has very little or no corporate taxes. General Motors is one of those companies. You can be certain that many of the vehicles you pass on the road are owned by a company and registered in one state and driven by a driver licensed in another state. Of course it is legal. CA is one of the most aggressive states in going after people that are trying to evade their exhorbinent taxes. I have been stopped - because I had a vehicle (MH) licensed out of state and a toad licensed in CA - Incurred no problem. I do recommend having both vehicles owned by the corporation, therefore the same plates on both. Leads to less questions. I also recommend that, when you form your LLC, use a fictitious name. Some people use their own name, while legal, can give officious bureaucrats something to hassle you about. Remember that you can own a corporation in any state you want and that corporation can do any business it wants as long as it is legal in the state in which incorporated. There are other states where this can be done such as NV. MT just happens to be the easiest and cheapest at this time. Check out <http://www.rvtax.com>. I have discussed this with attorneys in both MT and other states and the opinion is that it is completely legal. Just keep a low profile. Bureaucrats have learned to use threats and intimidation but seldom do they go to the courts unless they know they will win. George Lowry '06 Alpine Apex - Formerly '95 WBDA 4203 Spearfish, SD enjoying the wx in Palm Springs P.S. Talk to Dan West. He owns a shop at the airport in St. George. Don't have his address at my fingertips but he should be easy to find. He has an older bus conversion. You might find out how he got around those high taxes. George David A. Scott wrote: >Is this strictly legal? I've heard there can be issues if you are stopped >in an RV which is registered in one state and your drivers license is from a >different state. > >I had Benett Law form an LLC and registered my bus in Montana, toad >too. It was very fast, had my plates and registrations in less than >a week. The wohle thing cost around $1200. Every year after the >total cost is less than $200 per year, can't remember exactly. > >If you talk to John Bennett tell him James says hello. > >-James >78FC33SB >LasVegas NV > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > Montanna LLC - Curt Sprenger - 02-07-2006 03:41 This was taken from the returned email that I sent to http://www.rvtax.com . "However, this does not preempt you from complying with your home state requirements. If your vehicle primarily resides in your home state (most states define this as more than 6 months), than you are required by your state law to register your vehicle there." Seems we just say that our RV & Toad is out of state more time than in state. Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif. George Lowry wrote: > We have a Montana Corporation and can speak from personal experience. > First, notice that it is a corporation! That means it is a legal entity > just like any person. The corporation is a legal resident of the state > where it incorporated and can do any business, etc. that is allowed in > that state. There are many companies that are incorporated in various > states and they own vehicles that are driven throughout the country. > For example, many of the large corporations are incorporated in > Delaware, a state that has very little or no corporate taxes. General > Motors is one of those companies. > > You can be certain that many of the vehicles you pass on the road are > owned by a company and registered in one state and driven by a driver > licensed in another state. Of course it is legal. CA is one of the most > aggressive states in going after people that are trying to evade their > exhorbinent taxes. I have been stopped - because I had a vehicle (MH) > licensed out of state and a toad licensed in CA - Incurred no problem. > I do recommend having both vehicles owned by the corporation, therefore > the same plates on both. Leads to less questions. > > I also recommend that, when you form your LLC, use a fictitious name. > Some people use their own name, while legal, can give officious > bureaucrats something to hassle you about. Remember that you can own a > corporation in any state you want and that corporation can do any > business it wants as long as it is legal in the state in which > incorporated. There are other states where this can be done such as NV. > MT just happens to be the easiest and cheapest at this time. > > Check out <http://www.rvtax.com>. I have discussed this with attorneys in both > MT and other states and the opinion is that it is completely legal. > Just keep a low profile. Bureaucrats have learned to use threats and > intimidation but seldom do they go to the courts unless they know they > will win. > > George Lowry > '06 Alpine Apex - Formerly '95 WBDA 4203 > Spearfish, SD enjoying the wx in Palm Springs > > P.S. Talk to Dan West. He owns a shop at the airport in St. George. > Don't have his address at my fingertips but he should be easy to find. > He has an older bus conversion. You might find out how he got around > those high taxes. > > George > > David A. Scott wrote: > > >Is this strictly legal? I've heard there can be issues if you are > stopped > >in an RV which is registered in one state and your drivers license is > from a > >different state. > > > >I had Benett Law form an LLC and registered my bus in Montana, toad > >too. It was very fast, had my plates and registrations in less than > >a week. The wohle thing cost around $1200. Every year after the > >total cost is less than $200 per year, can't remember exactly. > > > >If you talk to John Bennett tell him James says hello. > > > >-James > >78FC33SB > >LasVegas NV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! 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To get out of the hassle, he registered his vehicle in both states. This is illegal and unconstitutional, but some bureaucrats will do that. You can own property in all fifty states but only have to be a resident in one. Remember that everything is a compromise. To get the good weather of CA, you must pay the extra costs. So far, we have not found the "perfect place" to live. Which is why we are now full time - we are still looking. All of these firms in MT and in other states that perform these "agent" services for LLC's and other corporations are careful to advise you to comply with the laws of the state with which you are a "resident". Check out everything and see if it meets YOUR requirements. George Lowry '06 Alpine Apex - formerly '95 WBDA 4203 Spearfish, SD in sunny, warm Palm Springs Leaving for AZ tomorrow.... Curt Sprenger wrote: >This was taken from the returned email that I sent to http://www.rvtax.com . >"However, this does not preempt you from complying with your home state >requirements. If your vehicle primarily resides in your home state >(most states define this as more than 6 months), than you are required >by your state law to register your vehicle there." > >Seems we just say that our RV & Toad is out of state more time than in >state. > >Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif. > > > >George Lowry wrote: > > > >>We have a Montana Corporation and can speak from personal experience. >>First, notice that it is a corporation! That means it is a legal entity >>just like any person. The corporation is a legal resident of the state >>where it incorporated and can do any business, etc. that is allowed in >>that state. There are many companies that are incorporated in various >>states and they own vehicles that are driven throughout the country. >>For example, many of the large corporations are incorporated in >>Delaware, a state that has very little or no corporate taxes. General >>Motors is one of those companies. >> >>You can be certain that many of the vehicles you pass on the road are >>owned by a company and registered in one state and driven by a driver >>licensed in another state. Of course it is legal. CA is one of the most >>aggressive states in going after people that are trying to evade their >>exhorbinent taxes. I have been stopped - because I had a vehicle (MH) >>licensed out of state and a toad licensed in CA - Incurred no problem. >>I do recommend having both vehicles owned by the corporation, therefore >>the same plates on both. Leads to less questions. >> >>I also recommend that, when you form your LLC, use a fictitious name. >>Some people use their own name, while legal, can give officious >>bureaucrats something to hassle you about. Remember that you can own a >>corporation in any state you want and that corporation can do any >>business it wants as long as it is legal in the state in which >>incorporated. There are other states where this can be done such as NV. >>MT just happens to be the easiest and cheapest at this time. >> >>Check out <http://www.rvtax.com>. I have discussed this with attorneys in both >>MT and other states and the opinion is that it is completely legal. >>Just keep a low profile. Bureaucrats have learned to use threats and >>intimidation but seldom do they go to the courts unless they know they >>will win. >> >>George Lowry >>'06 Alpine Apex - Formerly '95 WBDA 4203 >>Spearfish, SD enjoying the wx in Palm Springs >> >>P.S. Talk to Dan West. He owns a shop at the airport in St. George. >>Don't have his address at my fingertips but he should be easy to find. >>He has an older bus conversion. You might find out how he got around >>those high taxes. >> >>George >> >>David A. Scott wrote: >> >> >> >>>Is this strictly legal? I've heard there can be issues if you are >>> >>> >>stopped >> >> >>>in an RV which is registered in one state and your drivers license is >>> >>> >>from a >> >> >>>different state. >>> >>>I had Benett Law form an LLC and registered my bus in Montana, toad >>>too. It was very fast, had my plates and registrations in less than >>>a week. The wohle thing cost around $1200. Every year after the >>>total cost is less than $200 per year, can't remember exactly. >>> >>>If you talk to John Bennett tell him James says hello. >>> >>>-James >>>78FC33SB >>>LasVegas NV >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! 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Check >out everything and see if it meets YOUR requirements. > >George Lowry >'06 Alpine Apex - formerly '95 WBDA 4203 >Spearfish, SD in sunny, warm Palm Springs Leaving for AZ tomorrow.... > >Curt Sprenger wrote: > >>This was taken from the returned email that I sent to http://www.rvtax.com . >>"However, this does not preempt you from complying with your home state >>requirements. If your vehicle primarily resides in your home state >>(most states define this as more than 6 months), than you are required > >by your state law to register your vehicle there." >> >>Seems we just say that our RV & Toad is out of state more time than in >>state. >> > >Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif. <snip> One wrinkle that those who suggest establishing a corporation in a low cost state overlook is that many states require that a corporation "doing business in" their state must also register with that state. While ownership of an RV in Montana (or Nevada or elsewhere) through a corporation might work, if you have a physical residence in California (even for less than 6 months), and have any transactions (such as servicing your MH) as the corporation, California may then demand that you register the corporation with the Secretary of State --- at a cost of "only" $800 per year. If you like the weather here, be prepared to pay the taxes. Me? I'm thinking of moving to Oregon or Nevada as I get closer to the time when I'm ready to go on the road. -- Pete Masterson -- pete@... no Wanderlodge yet .... Montanna LLC - Wallace Craig - 02-07-2006 11:45 Martha Stewart was convicted because she talked too much!! Remember, you do not have to answer questions posed to you by any government agency and if you do (and the answer is inaccurate) you may be subject to criminal prosecution. A polite silence is all you are required to give; it is not your place to aid in your conviction for anything. Wallace Craig 95 WLWB42 Curt Sprenger wrote: This was taken from the returned email that I sent to http://www.rvtax.com . "However, this does not preempt you from complying with your home state requirements. If your vehicle primarily resides in your home state (most states define this as more than 6 months), than you are required by your state law to register your vehicle there." Seems we just say that our RV & Toad is out of state more time than in state. Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif. George Lowry wrote: > We have a Montana Corporation and can speak from personal experience. > First, notice that it is a corporation! That means it is a legal entity > just like any person. The corporation is a legal resident of the state > where it incorporated and can do any business, etc. that is allowed in > that state. There are many companies that are incorporated in various > states and they own vehicles that are driven throughout the country. > For example, many of the large corporations are incorporated in > Delaware, a state that has very little or no corporate taxes. General > Motors is one of those companies. > > You can be certain that many of the vehicles you pass on the road are > owned by a company and registered in one state and driven by a driver > licensed in another state. Of course it is legal. CA is one of the most > aggressive states in going after people that are trying to evade their > exhorbinent taxes. I have been stopped - because I had a vehicle (MH) > licensed out of state and a toad licensed in CA - Incurred no problem. > I do recommend having both vehicles owned by the corporation, therefore > the same plates on both. Leads to less questions. > > I also recommend that, when you form your LLC, use a fictitious name. > Some people use their own name, while legal, can give officious > bureaucrats something to hassle you about. Remember that you can own a > corporation in any state you want and that corporation can do any > business it wants as long as it is legal in the state in which > incorporated. There are other states where this can be done such as NV. > MT just happens to be the easiest and cheapest at this time. > > Check out . I have discussed this with attorneys in both > MT and other states and the opinion is that it is completely legal. > Just keep a low profile. Bureaucrats have learned to use threats and > intimidation but seldom do they go to the courts unless they know they > will win. > > George Lowry > '06 Alpine Apex - Formerly '95 WBDA 4203 > Spearfish, SD enjoying the wx in Palm Springs > > P.S. Talk to Dan West. He owns a shop at the airport in St. George. > Don't have his address at my fingertips but he should be easy to find. > He has an older bus conversion. You might find out how he got around > those high taxes. > > George > > David A. Scott wrote: > > >Is this strictly legal? I've heard there can be issues if you are > stopped > >in an RV which is registered in one state and your drivers license is > from a > >different state. > > > >I had Benett Law form an LLC and registered my bus in Montana, toad > >too. It was very fast, had my plates and registrations in less than > >a week. The wohle thing cost around $1200. Every year after the > >total cost is less than $200 per year, can't remember exactly. > > > >If you talk to John Bennett tell him James says hello. > > > >-James > >78FC33SB > >LasVegas NV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Montanna LLC - Jeff Miller - 02-07-2006 16:01 Whether it is legal to have a corporation in a state other than your home state, to license your coach in that state through the corporation, and to operate & garage the coach in your home state is part of the issue. I have heard that FL is one state actively persuing this and other types of tax evasion. It becomes tax evasion when the corporation is formed etc. for the purpose of not paying a tax, it becomes an issue not of what but why. Fortunately for some this is very difficult for the states to discover and to prosecute, but I wouldn't be telling everyone on the internet if it were me. I don't like paying more than my fair share either, my goal is to leave this state but until then I'll not have to fear the tax man. - Jeff Miller in Holland, MI Montanna LLC - john duke - 02-08-2006 06:05 Jeff I agree with you a 100%. To me its worth the extra doolars and the peace of mind that if....God forbid... an accident would ever happen. I read somewhere, maybe even this forum, how detailed an investigation can become when a coach is involved in a costly accident. Even portable wheel scales to see if you are 1 pound over gross on the right rear inner tire..etc. Can you imagine the field day a ambulance chasing lawyer would have if he smells a driverslicense in MI, vehicles plates in MT and maybe a voter registration in FLA? Peace of mind is costly, (I pay $89.00 anually on my coach in PA) no further taxes here for it. AND my Driverlicense, vehicle plates registration.. all PA. same address,its at least in proper order. Juergen in PA 1991 WLSP36 Jeff Miller wrote: Whether it is legal to have a corporation in a state other than your home state, to license your coach in that state through the corporation, and to operate & garage the coach in your home state is part of the issue. I have heard that FL is one state actively persuing this and other types of tax evasion. It becomes tax evasion when the corporation is formed etc. for the purpose of not paying a tax, it becomes an issue not of what but why. Fortunately for some this is very difficult for the states to discover and to prosecute, but I wouldn't be telling everyone on the internet if it were me. I don't like paying more than my fair share either, my goal is to leave this state but until then I'll not have to fear the tax man. - Jeff Miller in Holland, MI SPONSORED LINKS Recreational vehicles Wanderlodge Automotive maintenance Recreational vehicle dealer Used recreational vehicles Automotive radiators --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "WanderlodgeForum" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Montanna LLC - Jeff Miller - 02-08-2006 07:01 Just like a Pilot, "cleaning up the wreckage" LOL. - Jeff Miller in Holland, MI --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, john duke wrote: > <<snip>> AND my Driverlicense, vehicle plates registration.. all PA. same address,its at least in proper order. > Juergen in PA