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Changing tranny fluid to synthetic - Bob Lawrence - 04-08-2006 15:05 Well, I decided to change to synthetic fluid. The shop I took it to (M&M)in Tacoma put Amsoil in it, changed the internal filter and the external filter. Drove off down the road also after getting the engine oil changed and noticed rig wouldn't change gears. Tried for several blocks..no luck. Took it back..they dropped the pan and found the pickup tube that had an o ring replaced had a cut in it. This it turns out let the fluid from the tranny get picked up and returned to pan without getting into the tranny. They replaced the o ring and the filter again (10 blocks on new fluid). They had to replace the filter and Amsoil again at their cost. I think with the second flush in 3 hours that most of the old ATF would have been removed. Anyway, problem solved. Amazing that an o ring can cause the tranny not to pick up fluid. The Amsoil cost $15 bucks a quart. Cost of $450 for tranny fluid change and $300 for oil change. Not cheap. Bob Lawrence 84 PT36 Tacoma, Wa. (Where still raining) Changing tranny fluid to synthetic - John Suter - 04-09-2006 01:12 Hi Bob, Sounds to me like you got a free flush job, albeit at some trouble, and now you'll be off for the full ride in mileage and time. Can't tell if your $450 and $300 included or excluded the fluids and filters, generator, nor what labor rates are in your area. For a future guide, 4.5 to 5.5 man-hours can get Engine, Gen, Coolant, Trans and Lube. Many shops will quote max hours, though they're not crazy about doing it. In Dec, paid $10/Qt for bulk TranSyn but had to fight tooth and nail, and think I gave back some of that in another area. Has anyone in the group tried a "mobile" oil change service that comes to you? Last fall I received two very attractive quotes and I am tempted. John Suter --- Bob Lawrence > Well, I decided to change to synthetic fluid. > The shop I took it to (M&M)in Tacoma put Amsoil in > it, changed the > internal filter and the external filter. > Drove off down the road also after getting the > engine oil changed and > noticed rig wouldn't change gears. > Tried for several blocks..no luck. > Took it back..they dropped the pan and found the > pickup tube that had > an o ring replaced had a cut in it. This it turns > out let the fluid > from the tranny get picked up and returned to pan > without getting into > the tranny. > They replaced the o ring and the filter again (10 > blocks on new fluid). > They had to replace the filter and Amsoil again at > their cost. > I think with the second flush in 3 hours that most > of the old ATF would > have been removed. > Anyway, problem solved. > Amazing that an o ring can cause the tranny not to > pick up fluid. > The Amsoil cost $15 bucks a quart. > Cost of $450 for tranny fluid change and $300 for > oil change. Not cheap. > Bob Lawrence > 84 PT36 > Tacoma, Wa. (Where still raining) > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Changing tranny fluid to synthetic - mbulriss - 04-09-2006 04:50 Bob, I was going to send this to you offline to prevent inflaming the syn/non-syn forces, but in reviewing the info I decided it was general information pertinent to all, so decided to post it here. While I personally agree with your synthetic choice, I would look for a less expensive (and more careful) shop. You said the Amsoil cost $15 bucks a quart. I thought that sounded real high, so I pulled my new catalog and looked it up. The good news is they got to do it twice, so you got nearly a full flush and it cut your cost per quart down by about half, or slightly under suggested list price. I don't know if they sold you the Amsoil ATF or the Torque Drive (Transynd substitute) but the published list price on those is $8.65/qt for the ATF and $35.90/gal (or approx $9/qt) on the Torque drive. Their actual cost was in the $6-6.50/qt range in the smallest purchase quantities available and in the $5/qt range purchased in the smallest 1-2.5 gallon container quantities. The Amsoil preferred customer program would allow you to purchase at those lower prices. At their prices, they still made money. Did you go with synthetic in the motor also? Mike Bulriss 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" San Antonio, TX --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence" > > Well, I decided to change to synthetic fluid. > The shop I took it to (M&M)in Tacoma put Amsoil in it, changed the > internal filter and the external filter. > Drove off down the road also after getting the engine oil changed and > noticed rig wouldn't change gears. > Tried for several blocks..no luck. > Took it back..they dropped the pan and found the pickup tube that had > an o ring replaced had a cut in it. This it turns out let the fluid > from the tranny get picked up and returned to pan without getting into > the tranny. > They replaced the o ring and the filter again (10 blocks on new fluid). > They had to replace the filter and Amsoil again at their cost. > I think with the second flush in 3 hours that most of the old ATF would > have been removed. > Anyway, problem solved. > Amazing that an o ring can cause the tranny not to pick up fluid. > The Amsoil cost $15 bucks a quart. > Cost of $450 for tranny fluid change and $300 for oil change. Not cheap. > Bob Lawrence > 84 PT36 > Tacoma, Wa. (Where still raining) > Changing tranny fluid to synthetic - Bob Lawrence - 04-09-2006 11:56 Hi John, Yes, the $450 and $300 included all filters and labor for engine and tranny. Amsoil put in tranny at $15 a quart. Didn't have gen set worked on as that is the next thing to be handled. Gen set fluid has been changed by me. I'm going to have them pull the fan on the gen set and put in a 12v electric fan with thermometer put in the radiator. This should cut down the noise level (hopefully a lot) Bob Lawrence 84 PT36 Tacoma, Wa. > Can't tell if your $450 and $300 included or > excluded the fluids and filters, generator, nor what > labor rates are in your area. For a future guide, 4.5 > to 5.5 man-hours can get Engine, Gen, Coolant, Trans > and Lube. Many shops will quote max hours, though > they're not crazy about doing it. In Dec, paid $10/Qt > for bulk TranSyn but had to fight tooth and nail, and > think I gave back some of that in another area. > > John Suter > > Changing tranny fluid to synthetic - Jay Darst - 04-09-2006 12:02 Bob, I have heard that the 12V fan doesn't provide sufficient cooling. Only "heard", not tried ;~} Please post the results of this crucial noise reducing update for PT's. Thanks Jay Darst 85PT40 Springfield, IL --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence" > > Hi John, > Yes, the $450 and $300 included all filters and labor for engine and > tranny. Amsoil put in tranny at $15 a quart. Didn't have gen set > worked on as that is the next thing to be handled. Gen set fluid has > been changed by me. I'm going to have them pull the fan on the gen > set and put in a 12v electric fan with thermometer put in the > radiator. This should cut down the noise level (hopefully a lot) > Bob Lawrence > 84 PT36 > Tacoma, Wa. > > > > Can't tell if your $450 and $300 included or > > excluded the fluids and filters, generator, nor what > > labor rates are in your area. For a future guide, 4.5 > > to 5.5 man-hours can get Engine, Gen, Coolant, Trans > > and Lube. Many shops will quote max hours, though > > they're not crazy about doing it. In Dec, paid $10/Qt > > for bulk TranSyn but had to fight tooth and nail, and > > think I gave back some of that in another area. > > > > John Suter > > > > > Changing tranny fluid to synthetic - Jay Darst - 04-09-2006 12:07 Bob, Been kinda looking into a 2-speed motor to replace the current motor. Not done with research. Need to know what the current motor rpm is... Have found only 3-phase 2- speed motors, but just started looking- I'm slow, but usually sure ;~} Jay <SNIP> >I'm going to have them pull the fan on the gen > set and put in a 12v electric fan with thermometer put in the > radiator. This should cut down the noise level (hopefully a lot) > Bob Lawrence > 84 PT36 > Tacoma, Wa. > > > > Can't tell if your $450 and $300 included or > > excluded the fluids and filters, generator, nor what > > labor rates are in your area. For a future guide, 4.5 > > to 5.5 man-hours can get Engine, Gen, Coolant, Trans > > and Lube. Many shops will quote max hours, though > > they're not crazy about doing it. In Dec, paid $10/Qt > > for bulk TranSyn but had to fight tooth and nail, and > > think I gave back some of that in another area. > > > > John Suter > > > > > Changing tranny fluid to synthetic - Tom Warner - 04-09-2006 12:14 Wonder if you connect a thermostat in series with the motor you could cycle it on and off just like my Horton air fan on the 1982FC35? The fan stays off until the coolant temperature gets to 205 degrees when it turns on, cools the coolant down and then shuts off. Driving on the road it never goes on, just when pulling a grade or stopped in heavy traffic. tom warner Vernon Center,Ny 1982 FC35 1985 PT40 At 08:07 PM 4/9/2006, you wrote: >Bob, > >Been kinda looking into a 2-speed motor to replace the current motor. > >Not done with research. > >Need to know what the current motor rpm is... > >Have found only 3-phase 2- speed motors, but just started looking- >I'm slow, but usually sure ;~} > >Jay > > ><SNIP> > >I'm going to have them pull the fan on the gen > > set and put in a 12v electric fan with thermometer put in the > > radiator. This should cut down the noise level (hopefully a lot) > > Bob Lawrence > > 84 PT36 > > Tacoma, Wa. > > > > > > > Can't tell if your $450 and $300 included or > > > excluded the fluids and filters, generator, nor what > > > labor rates are in your area. For a future guide, 4.5 > > > to 5.5 man-hours can get Engine, Gen, Coolant, Trans > > > and Lube. Many shops will quote max hours, though > > > they're not crazy about doing it. In Dec, paid $10/Qt > > > for bulk TranSyn but had to fight tooth and nail, and > > > think I gave back some of that in another area. > > > > > > John Suter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group > "<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum>WanderlodgeForum" on the web. > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > odgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >---------- Changing tranny fluid to synthetic - bobloomas - 04-09-2006 12:15 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Lawrence To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Changing tranny fluid to synthetic The person that owned my coach before me installed a 12 volt fan for the generator. I had to change mine back to the 220 motor inorder to keep the gen set from shuting down on over temp.If you can stay in a area that does not get over 70 dgrees and keep the generator out of the sun it may work. Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36 Hi John, Yes, the $450 and $300 included all filters and labor for engine and tranny. Amsoil put in tranny at $15 a quart. Didn't have gen set worked on as that is the next thing to be handled. Gen set fluid has been changed by me. I'm going to have them pull the fan on the gen set and put in a 12v electric fan with thermometer put in the radiator. This should cut down the noise level (hopefully a lot) Bob Lawrence 84 PT36 Tacoma, Wa. > Can't tell if your $450 and $300 included or > excluded the fluids and filters, generator, nor what > labor rates are in your area. For a future guide, 4.5 > to 5.5 man-hours can get Engine, Gen, Coolant, Trans > and Lube. Many shops will quote max hours, though > they're not crazy about doing it. In Dec, paid $10/Qt > for bulk TranSyn but had to fight tooth and nail, and > think I gave back some of that in another area. > > John Suter > > SPONSORED LINKS Recreational vehicles Wanderlodge Automotive maintenance Recreational vehicle dealer Used recreational vehicles Automotive radiators ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "WanderlodgeForum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Changing tranny fluid to synthetic - Bob Lawrence - 04-09-2006 14:32 Hi Mike, Thanks for your imput..this is the first time I have ever bought synthetics.was regular synthetic atf..looked like I overpaid big time. I agree with your assesment of careful workmanship. I will probably look for another shop for future work. They have had a turnover in help...seems it's hard to get good help. I went with regular 15-40 in engine. Bob Lawrence 84 PT36 Tacoma, wa > While I personally agree with your synthetic choice, I would look for > a less expensive (and more careful) shop. You said the Amsoil cost > $15 bucks a quart. I thought that sounded real high, so I pulled my > new catalog and looked it up. The good news is they got to do it > twice, so you got nearly a full flush and it cut your cost per quart > down by about half, or slightly under suggested list price. > > I don't know if they sold you the Amsoil ATF or the Torque Drive > (Transynd substitute) but the published list price on those is > $8.65/qt for the ATF and $35.90/gal (or approx $9/qt) on the Torque > drive. Their actual cost was in the $6-6.50/qt range in the smallest > purchase quantities available and in the $5/qt range purchased in the > smallest 1-2.5 gallon container quantities. The Amsoil preferred > customer program would allow you to purchase at those lower prices. > At their prices, they still made money. > > Did you go with synthetic in the motor also? > > Mike Bulriss > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" > San Antonio, TX > Changing tranny fluid to synthetic - Bob Lawrence - 04-09-2006 14:43 Jay, Sure, be glad to post results...will be in a couple of months. Bob Lawrence 84 PT36 Tacoma,Wa. > > Bob, > > I have heard that the 12V fan doesn't provide sufficient cooling. > > Only "heard", not tried ;~} > > Please post the results of this crucial noise reducing update for > PT's. > > Thanks > Jay Darst > 85PT40 > Springfield, IL |