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From the NY Times - erniecarpet@... - 05-14-2005 21:19
In a message dated 5/15/2005 8:08:46 AM Central Standard Time,
vagabond@... writes:
> Where's the second bathroom?
probably beside the outside shower? ernie- I'll pass
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From the NY Times - western_rancher - 05-15-2005 01:08
The New Word in R.V.'s: "Residential"
The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | Denny Lee
When a motor home costs upward of $500,000, it's no longer a
recreational vehicle, it's a rolling chunk of real estate. Which is
precisely how Danny Adams furnished his U320, a 40-foot-long motor
home built by Foretravel in Nacogdoches, Tex. It has a stainless-
steel refrigerator and microwave, polished brass faucets, walnut
cabinets, three surround-sound systems and five flat-panel
televisions.
"It's like being in my house, just a little bit smaller," said Mr.
Adams, 50, an engineering consultant from Tyler, Tex., who recently
took delivery of the U320, a diesel behemoth. "It has all the
comforts of home."
But since when does a home brandish expandable walls, air-operated
doors and a satellite dish that aligns itself with every turn of the
steering wheel? Not to mention a 37-inch plasma-screen TV that swings
out for tailgate parties?
"It's a condo on wheels," said Jimmie Bergman, a Foretravel salesman,
as he showed off Mr. Adams's motor home. "Nobody wants a utilitarian
camper anymore."
Indeed, what R.V. shoppers seem to crave these days is not so much an
R.V. as a portable version of their dream home, a roving castle as
roomy as a rock star's trailer and as plush as a five-star hotel. And
manufacturers are tripping over one another to comply. Spurred on by
space-enlarging advances, they are slapping the term "residential
style" on any feature that can be supersized.
Ceilings that were once a head-bumping 78 inches have been raised to
seven feet and higher. Kitchens that were once limited to hotplates
and dorm-style refrigerators have blossomed with four-burner gas
ranges, wine coolers and granite-topped islands. Bathrooms that were
once closet-size now have walk-in closets of their own. And the
electronics onboard, from wireless Internet access to audiophile
theaters, rival those of a Silicon Valley bachelor pad.
"Residential is the latest wave," said Sherman Goldenberg, the
publisher of RV Business, a trade publication based in Ventura,
Calif. "Before, R.V.'s had rather classless-looking interiors. Now
we're seeing upscale coaches with residential-style interiors done
gracefully."
But just because they look homey doesn't mean that people actually
live in them. Unlike the classic Winnebago and its legion of road-
trekking retirees, these souped-up R.V.'s are not necessarily being
used as primary residences or even as second homes. Instead, the
driving force behind the new R.V.'s are baby boomers looking for
quick weekend thrills.
Just ask Mr. Adams, who is now on his third luxury motor home, each
one nicer than the last. "We take it down to College Station for
Texas A&M football games," said Mr. Adams, who is accompanied on such
jaunts by his wife, Sandy, and their 17-year-old son. "I haven't
missed a football game since the 1972 season."
Like a giant bumper sticker, the entire R.V. is painted in Texas
A&M's colors, maroon and white, and emblazoned with painted-on
varsity letters. "You're not tailgating from the back of a pickup
truck," he said. "You're tailgating from a half-million-dollar motor
home with satellite reception, in front of a 37-inch plasma TV, under
a shaded canopy. This is tailgating in its finest form."
Lavish setups like this come in handy for Nascar races, outdoor
concerts, rodeos, hunting trips and even as a guest suite for
visiting relatives. Mary Greenwell, 44, of Hilton Head, S.C., uses
her $600,000 R.V. when she travels to horse shows. "We use it about
half a dozen times a year," said Ms. Greenwell, who has a 45-foot
Affinity made by Country Coach in Junction City, Ore. She spent two
months selecting fabrics and tiles.
"We're kind of spoiled," she said. "Sometimes we park it in a
campground and check into a hotel."
That's assuming she can find a campground that welcomes monster motor
homes. The majority of the R.V. parks are not equipped to handle
vehicles longer than 40 feet and also have trouble meeting the
electricity demands of the largest R.V.'s. "We need 50 amps," Ms.
Greenwell said. "That would blow their circuitry."
THE metamorphosis from basic R.V.'s to motorized McMansions began in
earnest in 1995, when an R.V. company named Holiday Rambler
introduced the first mechanized slide-out. With a push of a button,
the motor home sprouted a wing, adding precious width to the cramped,
8-foot-wide interior.
"Before slide-outs, you almost had a subway effect," said Patrick
Carroll, the vice president for product development at the Monaco
Coach Corporation in Coburg, Ore., which bought Holiday Rambler in
1996. The slide-outs, which pop out when the vehicle is parked and
move the walls of some areas - as well as couches, beds and even
kitchen cabinets - farther apart, can nearly double the usable floor
space.
R.V. makers promptly started their version of the arms race,
jockeying to see who could add the deepest, widest, tallest and most
slide-outs. Now there are motor homes with a slide-out in the
kitchen, one in the living area and a third in the bedroom. Some even
have two in the bedroom to fit a king-size bed and still leave space
to walk around it.
"Customers love it," said Adam Gudger, a Monaco salesman, during a
tour of the company's 45-foot-long Executive motor home at the
industry's annual trade show in Louisville, Ky. With its four slide-
outs extended, the interior grows from 340 square feet to almost 430
square feet. "Quad slides hit the marketplace last year," Mr. Gudger
said. "Now they're becoming standard."
Not to be outdone, Fleetwood R.V. of Riverside, Calif., unveiled a
motor home with a massive slide-out that extends from the driver's
seat to the rear of the 36-foot-long cabin. "We are the first company
to come out with a full-wall slide," said Amy Coleman, a company
spokeswoman.
All that extra space means that owners can now have double-door
refrigerators, ottomans, overstuffed sofas, washer and dryers, coffee
tables and other comforts of home. There seems to be no limit.
Designers are scouring their homes to see what else to
add. "Fireplaces are becoming very popular," said Rodney Lung, a
salesman for Travel Supreme, a high-end manufacturer in Wakarusa,
Ind.
All this does add a certain burden. So-called Class A motor homes,
the largest of their kind, were once built to carry up to 17,000
pounds. Today's motor homes, loaded down by generators, slide-outs,
marble tiles, granite countertops and air-conditioners, can weigh
50,000 pounds and more.
To carry all this stuff, motor homes have been retooled from the
engine up. "The real strength is in diesel-based motor homes," said
Mr. Goldenberg of RV Business. As a sign of the sector's expanding
waistline, nearly half the Class A motor homes shipped today are
diesel-powered, compared with just 13 percent in 1996.
As weight has risen, fuel efficiency, not surprisingly, has
plummeted. Motor home owners are lucky if they can squeeze out six
miles a gallon. But despite stubbornly high fuel prices, high-end
motor homes are selling better than ever. In 2003, 14,000 motor homes
costing more than $200,000 were sold, a 20 percent increase over the
year before. In 1992, fewer than 100 such vehicles lumbered off the
showroom floor.
With R.V.'s this big and plush, why stop at larger living areas and
bigger bedrooms? "Having a second bathroom is just so handy," said
Rex Browning, 65, a hair salon owner from Ottawa, Kan., who has a 42-
foot-long Monaco Windsor kitted out to the hilt.
The second bathroom is usually reserved for guests, and, he said, "We
wouldn't have a motor home without it."
Blair in Oregon
Where's the second bathroom?
From the NY Times - Blair - 05-15-2005 01:22
At 06:19 AM 5/15/2005, you wrote:
>In a message dated 5/15/2005 8:08:46 AM Central Standard Time,
>vagabond@... writes:
Ernie, I keep wondering when they'll install a maids quarters......? Blair
> > Where's the second bathroom?
>
>probably beside the outside shower? ernie- I'll pass
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From the NY Times - John - 05-15-2005 01:24
It probably slides underneath the table!
"REMEMBER SEPTEMBER 11, 2001"
John Finn
'82 35FCRB
BLUEBIRD WANDERLODGE
TO VISIT THE "FINN'S INN EXPRESS" REMODELING ADVENTURE
GO TO;
http://www.pbase.com/image/24977457
'66 SUPERIOR / IH 392 GAS V8 32' PUSHER "FOR SALE"
SEE THE OLD COACH AT:
http://www.pbase.com/image/26052733
HOPKINS, SOUTH CAROLINA
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In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/15/2005 8:08:46 AM Central Standard Time,
> vagabond@s... writes:
>
>
> > Where's the second bathroom?
>
> probably beside the outside shower? ernie- I'll pass
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From the NY Times - randydupree - 05-15-2005 01:30
most of this stuff has been around for years....randydupree93wb
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Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] From the NY Times
The New Word in R.V.'s: "Residential"
The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | Denny Lee
When a motor home costs upward of $500,000, it's no longer a
recreational vehicle, it's a rolling chunk of real estate. Which is
precisely how Danny Adams furnished his U320, a 40-foot-long motor
home built by Foretravel in Nacogdoches, Tex. It has a stainless-
steel refrigerator and microwave, polished brass faucets, walnut
cabinets, three surround-sound systems and five flat-panel
televisions.
"It's like being in my house, just a little bit smaller," said Mr.
Adams, 50, an engineering consultant from Tyler, Tex., who recently
took delivery of the U320, a diesel behemoth. "It has all the
comforts of home."
But since when does a home brandish expandable walls, air-operated
doors and a satellite dish that aligns itself with every turn of the
steering wheel? Not to mention a 37-inch plasma-screen TV that swings
out for tailgate parties?
"It's a condo on wheels," said Jimmie Bergman, a Foretravel salesman,
as he showed off Mr. Adams's motor home. "Nobody wants a utilitarian
camper anymore."
Indeed, what R.V. shoppers seem to crave these days is not so much an
R.V. as a portable version of their dream home, a roving castle as
roomy as a rock star's trailer and as plush as a five-star hotel. And
manufacturers are tripping over one another to comply. Spurred on by
space-enlarging advances, they are slapping the term "residential
style" on any feature that can be supersized.
Ceilings that were once a head-bumping 78 inches have been raised to
seven feet and higher. Kitchens that were once limited to hotplates
and dorm-style refrigerators have blossomed with four-burner gas
ranges, wine coolers and granite-topped islands. Bathrooms that were
once closet-size now have walk-in closets of their own. And the
electronics onboard, from wireless Internet access to audiophile
theaters, rival those of a Silicon Valley bachelor pad.
"Residential is the latest wave," said Sherman Goldenberg, the
publisher of RV Business, a trade publication based in Ventura,
Calif. "Before, R.V.'s had rather classless-looking interiors. Now
we're seeing upscale coaches with residential-style interiors done
gracefully."
But just because they look homey doesn't mean that people actually
live in them. Unlike the classic Winnebago and its legion of road-
trekking retirees, these souped-up R.V.'s are not necessarily being
used as primary residences or even as second homes. Instead, the
driving force behind the new R.V.'s are baby boomers looking for
quick weekend thrills.
Just ask Mr. Adams, who is now on his third luxury motor home, each
one nicer than the last. "We take it down to College Station for
Texas A&M football games," said Mr. Adams, who is accompanied on such
jaunts by his wife, Sandy, and their 17-year-old son. "I haven't
missed a football game since the 1972 season."
Like a giant bumper sticker, the entire R.V. is painted in Texas
A&M's colors, maroon and white, and emblazoned with painted-on
varsity letters. "You're not tailgating from the back of a pickup
truck," he said. "You're tailgating from a half-million-dollar motor
home with satellite reception, in front of a 37-inch plasma TV, under
a shaded canopy. This is tailgating in its finest form."
Lavish setups like this come in handy for Nascar races, outdoor
concerts, rodeos, hunting trips and even as a guest suite for
visiting relatives. Mary Greenwell, 44, of Hilton Head, S.C., uses
her $600,000 R.V. when she travels to horse shows. "We use it about
half a dozen times a year," said Ms. Greenwell, who has a 45-foot
Affinity made by Country Coach in Junction City, Ore. She spent two
months selecting fabrics and tiles.
"We're kind of spoiled," she said. "Sometimes we park it in a
campground and check into a hotel."
That's assuming she can find a campground that welcomes monster motor
homes. The majority of the R.V. parks are not equipped to handle
vehicles longer than 40 feet and also have trouble meeting the
electricity demands of the largest R.V.'s. "We need 50 amps," Ms.
Greenwell said. "That would blow their circuitry."
THE metamorphosis from basic R.V.'s to motorized McMansions began in
earnest in 1995, when an R.V. company named Holiday Rambler
introduced the first mechanized slide-out. With a push of a button,
the motor home sprouted a wing, adding precious width to the cramped,
8-foot-wide interior.
"Before slide-outs, you almost had a subway effect," said Patrick
Carroll, the vice president for product development at the Monaco
Coach Corporation in Coburg, Ore., which bought Holiday Rambler in
1996. The slide-outs, which pop out when the vehicle is parked and
move the walls of some areas - as well as couches, beds and even
kitchen cabinets - farther apart, can nearly double the usable floor
space.
R.V. makers promptly started their version of the arms race,
jockeying to see who could add the deepest, widest, tallest and most
slide-outs. Now there are motor homes with a slide-out in the
kitchen, one in the living area and a third in the bedroom. Some even
have two in the bedroom to fit a king-size bed and still leave space
to walk around it.
"Customers love it," said Adam Gudger, a Monaco salesman, during a
tour of the company's 45-foot-long Executive motor home at the
industry's annual trade show in Louisville, Ky. With its four slide-
outs extended, the interior grows from 340 square feet to almost 430
square feet. "Quad slides hit the marketplace last year," Mr. Gudger
said. "Now they're becoming standard."
Not to be outdone, Fleetwood R.V. of Riverside, Calif., unveiled a
motor home with a massive slide-out that extends from the driver's
seat to the rear of the 36-foot-long cabin. "We are the first company
to come out with a full-wall slide," said Amy Coleman, a company
spokeswoman.
All that extra space means that owners can now have double-door
refrigerators, ottomans, overstuffed sofas, washer and dryers, coffee
tables and other comforts of home. There seems to be no limit.
Designers are scouring their homes to see what else to
add. "Fireplaces are becoming very popular," said Rodney Lung, a
salesman for Travel Supreme, a high-end manufacturer in Wakarusa,
Ind.
All this does add a certain burden. So-called Class A motor homes,
the largest of their kind, were once built to carry up to 17,000
pounds. Today's motor homes, loaded down by generators, slide-outs,
marble tiles, granite countertops and air-conditioners, can weigh
50,000 pounds and more.
To carry all this stuff, motor homes have been retooled from the
engine up. "The real strength is in diesel-based motor homes," said
Mr. Goldenberg of RV Business. As a sign of the sector's expanding
waistline, nearly half the Class A motor homes shipped today are
diesel-powered, compared with just 13 percent in 1996.
As weight has risen, fuel efficiency, not surprisingly, has
plummeted. Motor home owners are lucky if they can squeeze out six
miles a gallon. But despite stubbornly high fuel prices, high-end
motor homes are selling better than ever. In 2003, 14,000 motor homes
costing more than $200,000 were sold, a 20 percent increase over the
year before. In 1992, fewer than 100 such vehicles lumbered off the
showroom floor.
With R.V.'s this big and plush, why stop at larger living areas and
bigger bedrooms? "Having a second bathroom is just so handy," said
Rex Browning, 65, a hair salon owner from Ottawa, Kan., who has a 42-
foot-long Monaco Windsor kitted out to the hilt.
The second bathroom is usually reserved for guests, and, he said, "We
wouldn't have a motor home without it."
Blair in Oregon
Where's the second bathroom?
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From the NY Times - Jim Owens - 05-15-2005 17:30
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "western_rancher"
> The New Word in R.V.'s: "Residential"
> The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | Denny Lee
>
>
> When a motor home costs upward of $500,000, it's no longer a
> recreational vehicle, it's a rolling chunk of real estate.
Blair,
The rich are different, they have more money and usually find a way
to spend it! (on frivilous (sp) status symbols). Hey, if you've got
it flaunt it (by spending it).
As for me and my house on wheels, I'll keep my vintage 'Bird and
maintain it to the best of my meager ability and update it as time
and money allow . . . My parents lived through the depression in
railroad cars and one-room log cabins. Hardy folk made of stern
stuff.
Any of you out there enjoying a new LXi don't take offense. Chances
are you've earned your way to it. Just know that you probably don't
enjoy it any more than I do my old 'Bird!
Jim & Pam Owens
77 FC33SB "Sweetie's Dream"
Lake of the Ozarks, MO
From the NY Times - randydupree - 05-15-2005 23:47
jim,way back i had a converted skoolie,i had more fun in that bus than any
other,of course i was 20 years younger!! haha randydupree93wb
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Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:30 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: From the NY Times
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "western_rancher"
> The New Word in R.V.'s: "Residential"
> The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | Denny Lee
>
>
> When a motor home costs upward of $500,000, it's no longer a
> recreational vehicle, it's a rolling chunk of real estate.
Blair,
The rich are different, they have more money and usually find a way
to spend it! (on frivilous (sp) status symbols). Hey, if you've got
it flaunt it (by spending it).
As for me and my house on wheels, I'll keep my vintage 'Bird and
maintain it to the best of my meager ability and update it as time
and money allow . . . My parents lived through the depression in
railroad cars and one-room log cabins. Hardy folk made of stern
stuff.
Any of you out there enjoying a new LXi don't take offense. Chances
are you've earned your way to it. Just know that you probably don't
enjoy it any more than I do my old 'Bird!
Jim & Pam Owens
77 FC33SB "Sweetie's Dream"
Lake of the Ozarks, MO
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From the NY Times - rrob@... - 05-16-2005 05:13
Hey Randy wasn't that the glug glug coach. The one that started you off in
the plumbing business. Sue thinks that is one of your best stories.
hahahahah
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:47:54 -0400
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: From the NY Times
jim,way back i had a converted skoolie,i had more fun in that bus than any
other,of course i was 20 years younger!! haha randydupree93wb
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 > The New Word in R.V.'s: "Residential"
 > The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | Denny Lee
 >
 >
 > When a motor home costs upward of $500,000, it's no longer a
 > recreational vehicle, it's a rolling chunk of real estate.
 Blair,
 The rich are different, they have more money and usually find a way
 to spend it! (on frivilous (sp) status symbols). Hey, if you've got
 it flaunt it (by spending it).
 As for me and my house on wheels, I'll keep my vintage 'Bird and
 maintain it to the best of my meager ability and update it as time
 and money allow . . . My parents lived through the depression in
 railroad cars and one-room log cabins. Hardy folk made of stern
 stuff.
 Any of you out there enjoying a new LXi don't take offense. Chances
 are you've earned your way to it. Just know that you probably don't
 enjoy it any more than I do my old 'Bird!
 Jim & Pam Owens
 77 FC33SB "Sweetie's Dream"
 Lake of the Ozarks, MO
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From the NY Times - randydupree - 05-16-2005 09:23
that was it! valterra valves and no treatzall back in those days!
randydupree93wb
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Hey Randy wasn't that the glug glug coach. The one that started you off in
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hahahahah
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jim,way back i had a converted skoolie,i had more fun in that bus than any
other,of course i was 20 years younger!! haha randydupree93wb
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> The New Word in R.V.'s: "Residential"
> The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | Denny Lee
>
>
> When a motor home costs upward of $500,000, it's no longer a
> recreational vehicle, it's a rolling chunk of real estate.
Blair,
The rich are different, they have more money and usually find a way
to spend it! (on frivilous (sp) status symbols). Hey, if you've got
it flaunt it (by spending it).
As for me and my house on wheels, I'll keep my vintage 'Bird and
maintain it to the best of my meager ability and update it as time
and money allow . . . My parents lived through the depression in
railroad cars and one-room log cabins. Hardy folk made of stern
stuff.
Any of you out there enjoying a new LXi don't take offense. Chances
are you've earned your way to it. Just know that you probably don't
enjoy it any more than I do my old 'Bird!
Jim & Pam Owens
77 FC33SB "Sweetie's Dream"
Lake of the Ozarks, MO
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