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Special request for a Bird wannabe - birdshill123 - 12-11-2006 14:48 Don Bradner has been posting in this forum. He is looking for a Bird. I dont know if anyone else is familiar with Don but he owns the Datastorm users forum and has written a lot of specialized software for RV satellite internet owners. Don posts on a lot of RV forums about satellite internet and is extermely knowledgeable. He has helped thousands of RV owners. I am posting all of the above as I would love to see him get some help from PT40 owners in this forum. Don would be a natural BB owner. Perhaps one of us knows of a good PT 40 that is for sale. Bruce 1988 FC35 Special request for a Bird wannabe - Jay Darst - 12-11-2006 15:26 Bruce, I have been contacted by several owners interested in moving PT40's. What years would he consider? Jay Darst 85PT40 Springfield, IL --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" > > Don Bradner has been posting in this forum. He is looking for a Bird. I > dont know if anyone else is familiar with Don but he owns the Datastorm > users forum and has written a lot of specialized software for RV > satellite internet owners. Don posts on a lot of RV forums about > satellite internet and is extermely knowledgeable. He has helped > thousands of RV owners. I am posting all of the above as I would love > to see him get some help from PT40 owners in this forum. Don would be a > natural BB owner. Perhaps one of us knows of a good PT 40 that is for > sale. > > Bruce 1988 FC35 > Special request for a Bird wannabe - David Brady - 12-11-2006 15:32 Hi Don, Welcome to the list and best of luck finding a suitable bird. David Brady Datastormusers Member No.: 1836 '02 LXi, Smokey Va birdshill123 wrote: > Don Bradner has been posting in this forum. He is looking for a Bird. I > dont know if anyone else is familiar with Don but he owns the Datastorm > users forum and has written a lot of specialized software for RV > satellite internet owners. Don posts on a lot of RV forums about > satellite internet and is extermely knowledgeable. He has helped > thousands of RV owners. I am posting all of the above as I would love > to see him get some help from PT40 owners in this forum. Don would be a > natural BB owner. Perhaps one of us knows of a good PT 40 that is for > sale. > > Bruce 1988 FC35 > > > > > > Special request for a Bird wannabe - Don Bradner - 12-11-2006 15:49 Guess I'll speak for myself on this one - thanks to Bruce for the intro. I'm concentrating on the 90-94 years. I've been watching the market carefully since around August 1, and I have a personal database built up from the various sites showing 30 PT40s between 1988 and 1996. Since that point on a US swing we visited Holland in Michigan, Snyder's in Virginia, Bleakley in Georgia, and Motor Home Specialists in Texas, where we got to see a goodly number of Birds in person. Preference would be for mid-entry which would mean 1994 or later, unless they did some custom prior to that. Since August 1, I'm only aware of one mid-entry PT40 for sale, in Missouri. Listed at least since early July. On Friday, when I became financially able to negotiate in earnest (a few months earlier than expected, some things fell into place) I called the guy, and he sold it Thursday. The wife says "NO LAMINATE INTERIORS, WOOD ONLY" and that cuts the list exactly in half. Budget removes 5 from my list - price too high to consider making an insulting offer. $184K for a '94? $150K for a '90? I don't think so. We are in California, so I give some preference to Birds in the west. There is a '90 at Desert West in Phoenix that interests us, but I need some eyes-on with it. I'm leaning towards using a professional inspection service, but I would also love to get a PT40-savvy person to look at it. If there's someone who combines both, I'd like to talk to them. On 12/12/2006 at 3:26 AM Jay Darst wrote: >Bruce, > >I have been contacted by several owners interested in moving PT40's. > >What years would he consider? > >Jay Darst >85PT40 >Springfield, IL > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" > >> >> Don Bradner has been posting in this forum. He is looking for a Bird. >I >> dont know if anyone else is familiar with Don but he owns the >Datastorm >> users forum and has written a lot of specialized software for RV >> satellite internet owners. Don posts on a lot of RV forums about >> satellite internet and is extermely knowledgeable. He has helped >> thousands of RV owners. I am posting all of the above as I would love >> to see him get some help from PT40 owners in this forum. Don would be >a >> natural BB owner. Perhaps one of us knows of a good PT 40 that is for >> sale. >> >> Bruce 1988 FC35 >> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Don Bradner http://www.arcatapet.net Special request for a Bird wannabe - Tom Warner - 12-11-2006 16:22 A recommendation for you . NOTHING is impossible when it comes to buying any motorhome. A 1997 Bluebird LXI just sold for less then $170,000 and a 1991 Prevost Liberty is for sale right now for less then $170,000 at Paul Davis in Dallas Texas. With the market like it is right now and if you are a knowledgable buyer anything is possible. People pass away and coaches need to be sold to settle an estate. Or people just get sick of advertising the coaches and want to sell now. How about on vintage birds a 1993 for $123,000 with 53.000 miles on it? Bird connection has a ton of them . Remember price is not everything. You might save a little on a coach and then spends lots getting it up to snuff. tom warner vernon center,ny 1985 PT 40 At 10:49 PM 12/11/2006, you wrote: >Guess I'll speak for myself on this one - thanks to Bruce for the intro. > >I'm concentrating on the 90-94 years. I've been watching the market >carefully since around August 1, and I have a personal database >built up from the various sites showing 30 PT40s between 1988 and >1996. Since that point on a US swing we visited Holland in Michigan, >Snyder's in Virginia, Bleakley in Georgia, and Motor Home >Specialists in Texas, where we got to see a goodly number of Birds in person. > >Preference would be for mid-entry which would mean 1994 or later, >unless they did some custom prior to that. Since August 1, I'm only >aware of one mid-entry PT40 for sale, in Missouri. Listed at least >since early July. On Friday, when I became financially able to >negotiate in earnest (a few months earlier than expected, some >things fell into place) I called the guy, and he sold it Thursday. > >The wife says "NO LAMINATE INTERIORS, WOOD ONLY" and that cuts the >list exactly in half. Budget removes 5 from my list - price too high >to consider making an insulting offer. $184K for a '94? $150K for a >'90? I don't think so. > >We are in California, so I give some preference to Birds in the >west. There is a '90 at Desert West in Phoenix that interests us, >but I need some eyes-on with it. I'm leaning towards using a >professional inspection service, but I would also love to get a >PT40-savvy person to look at it. If there's someone who combines >both, I'd like to talk to them. > >On 12/12/2006 at 3:26 AM Jay Darst wrote: > > >Bruce, > > > >I have been contacted by several owners interested in moving PT40's. > > > >What years would he consider? > > > >Jay Darst > >85PT40 > >Springfield, IL > > > > > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" > > > >> > >> Don Bradner has been posting in this forum. He is looking for a Bird. > >I > >> dont know if anyone else is familiar with Don but he owns the > >Datastorm > >> users forum and has written a lot of specialized software for RV > >> satellite internet owners. Don posts on a lot of RV forums about > >> satellite internet and is extermely knowledgeable. He has helped > >> thousands of RV owners. I am posting all of the above as I would love > >> to see him get some help from PT40 owners in this forum. Don would be > >a > >> natural BB owner. Perhaps one of us knows of a good PT 40 that is for > >> sale. > >> > >> Bruce 1988 FC35 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >Don Bradner >http://www.arcatapet.net > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Special request for a Bird wannabe - Don Bradner - 12-11-2006 17:17 I had an e-mail asking if the Phoenix Bird I was interested in was a different one, so I guess it wouldn't hurt to specify which one it is. It can be seen here: http://www.bus-link.net/1990/1990Blue40Wander/1990Blue40Wander.htm I should have included that in the first place, and asked if anyone is familiar with it. Could be owned by a member here, for all that I know; it is a consignment sale. Don Bradner http://www.arcatapet.net Special request for a Bird wannabe - erniecarpet@... - 12-11-2006 19:56 Don- Ralph Fullenwider and Jeff Miller offer the inspection service you desire. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Weatherford, tx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Special request for a Bird wannabe - Don Bradner - 12-12-2006 04:36 On 12/11/2006 at 11:22 PM Tom Warner wrote: >A recommendation for you . NOTHING is impossible when it comes to >buying any motorhome. A 1997 Bluebird LXI just sold for less then >$170,000 and a 1991 Prevost Liberty is for sale right now for less >then $170,000 at Paul Davis in Dallas Texas. With the market like >it is right now and if you are a knowledgable buyer anything is >possible. People pass away and coaches need to be sold to settle an >estate. Or people just get sick of advertising the coaches and want >to sell now. How about on vintage birds a 1993 for $123,000 with >53.000 miles on it? Bird connection has a ton of them . Remember >price is not everything. You might save a little on a coach and then >spends lots getting it up to snuff. I guess I don't understand the recommendation you are trying to convey? You mention coaches selling at or below market value, of which there are legions available, then conclude with two sentences that imply that is not a good thing from a buyer's perspective? I mentioned a couple I tossed from my personal choice list for price, a 94 for $184K, and a 90 for $150K. Nothing about that was intended to imply anything about the quality of either, just how out-of-market they were. I'm doing what I can to be an informed buyer in all respects; knowing what the ballpark price is, is part of that Here's what I'm aware of now in 90-94 PT40s for sale, asking price and mileage (I have a lot more data on each, but this is just for a general market overview): 1990 $79,500 90000 $90,000 173000 $96,500 123500 $105,000 112000 $140,000 25000 (note: this is the one I had above at $150K, the BBC price, but I saw it last night on rvtraderonline for $140K) 1991 $93,000 181000 $95,000 104000 $99,999 58000 $119,000 98000 $129,000 40000 $140,000 87000 1992 $123,600 102000 $128,000 118000 1993 $105,000 125000 $110,000 113000 $110,000 145000 $119,500 79000 (another one where the BBC price is higher, $123,500 and $129,500 in the same listing) $123,000 59500 $135,000 77000 $135,000 103000 1994 $119,000 119000 $126,000 93000 $129,000 143000 (this is the mid-entry. Sold for $125K last week) $139,000 120000 $150,000 39000 $155,900 145000 $185,500 86000 I did not include some at dealerships that choose not to list prices - don't like that particular game. Negotiation of prices is tough for someone like me. I hate dickering. I look at that last one at $185500, and I say "it looks to me like $135K is about right, but if I offer 135K they will come back with $160K and then what do I do. If I offer $85K to try to work to the middle/market price, how could they consider me a serious buyer?" Price is not the only consideration by any means - if it were I would be pursuing the lowest, but there are other things that rate a number of the lower-priced ones further down our particular list. Don Bradner http://www.arcatapet.net Special request for a Bird wannabe - Tom Warner - 12-12-2006 04:58 Don you have already done many many more work then the average buyer goes thru so you must be a serious buyer AND an informed one. This is what I meant keeping in mind that you already know exactly what you are looking for. Make up a list of questions you can ask up front and I would suggest you look at the list on the vintage bird site to start. Add that you want closeup clear pictures of everything important that you are interested in and I would suggest you use http://www.mrolivers.com as a model, its excellent in my opinion. Ask the sellers to make the list out. If they are an honest seller and you inform them up front that you are in the market right now to buy BUT you are not willing to travel all over the country looking at coaches only to be disappointed when arriving there, then I believe you will get a good response. After seeing the information offer them a price that you feel is reasonable to YOU based on the coaches condition. Thats what I have done on the most recent purchases I made on every car and truck etc. It works and they know you are a serious buyer if you go to all of this trouble. I would add that it makes sense on something this expensive to have Ralph check the coach out before money changes hands. You might even add a sentence to them to the effect that if you go to all of this expense then you expect the seller to pay Ralphs expenses if there is something that has been misrepresented. tom warner vernon center,ny 1985 PT 40 At 11:36 AM 12/12/2006, you wrote: >On 12/11/2006 at 11:22 PM Tom Warner wrote: > > >A recommendation for you . NOTHING is impossible when it comes to > >buying any motorhome. A 1997 Bluebird LXI just sold for less then > >$170,000 and a 1991 Prevost Liberty is for sale right now for less > >then $170,000 at Paul Davis in Dallas Texas. With the market like > >it is right now and if you are a knowledgable buyer anything is > >possible. People pass away and coaches need to be sold to settle an > >estate. Or people just get sick of advertising the coaches and want > >to sell now. How about on vintage birds a 1993 for $123,000 with > >53.000 miles on it? Bird connection has a ton of them . Remember > >price is not everything. You might save a little on a coach and then > >spends lots getting it up to snuff. > >I guess I don't understand the recommendation you are trying to >convey? You mention coaches selling at or below market value, of >which there are legions available, then conclude with two sentences >that imply that is not a good thing from a buyer's perspective? I >mentioned a couple I tossed from my personal choice list for price, >a 94 for $184K, and a 90 for $150K. Nothing about that was intended >to imply anything about the quality of either, just how >out-of-market they were. > >I'm doing what I can to be an informed buyer in all respects; >knowing what the ballpark price is, is part of that > >Here's what I'm aware of now in 90-94 PT40s for sale, asking price >and mileage (I have a lot more data on each, but this is just for a >general market overview): > >1990 >$79,500 90000 >$90,000 173000 >$96,500 123500 >$105,000 112000 >$140,000 25000 (note: this is the one I had above at $150K, >the BBC price, but I saw it last night on rvtraderonline for $140K) > >1991 >$93,000 181000 >$95,000 104000 >$99,999 58000 >$119,000 98000 >$129,000 40000 >$140,000 87000 > >1992 >$123,600 102000 >$128,000 118000 > >1993 >$105,000 125000 >$110,000 113000 >$110,000 145000 >$119,500 79000 (another one where the BBC price is higher, >$123,500 and $129,500 in the same listing) >$123,000 59500 >$135,000 77000 >$135,000 103000 > >1994 >$119,000 119000 >$126,000 93000 >$129,000 143000 (this is the mid-entry. Sold for $125K last week) >$139,000 120000 >$150,000 39000 >$155,900 145000 >$185,500 86000 > >I did not include some at dealerships that choose not to list prices >- don't like that particular game. > >Negotiation of prices is tough for someone like me. I hate >dickering. I look at that last one at $185500, and I say "it looks >to me like $135K is about right, but if I offer 135K they will come >back with $160K and then what do I do. If I offer $85K to try to >work to the middle/market price, how could they consider me a serious buyer?" > >Price is not the only consideration by any means - if it were I >would be pursuing the lowest, but there are other things that rate a >number of the lower-priced ones further down our particular list. > > > > >Don Bradner >http://www.arcatapet.net > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Special request for a Bird wannabe - Leroy Eckert - 12-12-2006 06:54 Three years ago we were in your shoes. We began searching with our eyes wide open, without any knowledge and a heavy dose of Cavet Emptor. We did what you are doing, gathering data on coaches. We identified, looked at and eliminated about 13 coaches Bluebird and Prevost before taking one last shot at it. We found a Prevost in the Trader rag and a Bird on the net. You know, I can tell ya it gets pricey running around looking at motorhomes. We looked at the Prevost in Tampa and bought the Bird on the spot in Wilmington, NC. In our case, we paid the asking price because the owner wasn't budging one dollar. He did not accept my offer and he did not run me off. It was more than I wanted to pay but time has proven I got what I paid for. The coach was well cared for and the paper work in order. The owner was a knowledgable Bird owner, had 2 prior to the one we bought, and is now a Prevost owner getting ready to return to a Bird. He pointed out everything he knew and was honest about it. We have remained friends and meet at the races at Talladega. I wouldn't suggest anyone follow our path, just sharing our experience. If you don't feel good about inspecting the Bird to Be someone out there who knows will do it for you. Don't be afraid to make an offer, pick the price you are willing to pay and see what happens. You never know, you might own a Bird. If it doesn't work out, there is another one out there. Personally, I would not sell my coach for $140,000.00 because I cannot replace what I have for that kind of money. Leroy Eckert 1990 WB-40 "Smoke N Mirrors" Niceville, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Bradner To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Special request for a Bird wannabe Guess I'll speak for myself on this one - thanks to Bruce for the intro. I'm concentrating on the 90-94 years. I've been watching the market carefully since around August 1, and I have a personal database built up from the various sites showing 30 PT40s between 1988 and 1996. Since that point on a US swing we visited Holland in Michigan, Snyder's in Virginia, Bleakley in Georgia, and Motor Home Specialists in Texas, where we got to see a goodly number of Birds in person. Preference would be for mid-entry which would mean 1994 or later, unless they did some custom prior to that. Since August 1, I'm only aware of one mid-entry PT40 for sale, in Missouri. Listed at least since early July. On Friday, when I became financially able to negotiate in earnest (a few months earlier than expected, some things fell into place) I called the guy, and he sold it Thursday. The wife says "NO LAMINATE INTERIORS, WOOD ONLY" and that cuts the list exactly in half. Budget removes 5 from my list - price too high to consider making an insulting offer. $184K for a '94? $150K for a '90? I don't think so. We are in California, so I give some preference to Birds in the west. There is a '90 at Desert West in Phoenix that interests us, but I need some eyes-on with it. I'm leaning towards using a professional inspection service, but I would also love to get a PT40-savvy person to look at it. If there's someone who combines both, I'd like to talk to them. On 12/12/2006 at 3:26 AM Jay Darst wrote: >Bruce, > >I have been contacted by several owners interested in moving PT40's. > >What years would he consider? > >Jay Darst >85PT40 >Springfield, IL > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" > >> >> Don Bradner has been posting in this forum. He is looking for a Bird. >I >> dont know if anyone else is familiar with Don but he owns the >Datastorm >> users forum and has written a lot of specialized software for RV >> satellite internet owners. Don posts on a lot of RV forums about >> satellite internet and is extermely knowledgeable. He has helped >> thousands of RV owners. I am posting all of the above as I would love >> to see him get some help from PT40 owners in this forum. Don would be >a >> natural BB owner. Perhaps one of us knows of a good PT 40 that is for >> sale. >> >> Bruce 1988 FC35 >> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Don Bradner http://www.arcatapet.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |