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Low Sulphur fuel (can of worms) - Ralph L. Fullenwider - 05-26-2007 03:05
ASTM D-975 is now the standard lubricity mandate by the EPA.
We all know that the low sulphur (15ppm) fuels are here to stay. In
producing this low sulphur diesel, some of the lubricity is also removed,
not by design but by the process to attain Low sulphur fuels to meet the
new EPA standards.
The above lubricity mandate for diesel fuel is being met by the various
manufacturers of our diesel fuels to combat the removal of lubricants that
go with the low sulphur diesel, which adds additives back into the #1 and #
2 diesel which we all use, to meet the ASTM D-975 standard.
In talking with a chemist from one of the major refineries of gas and
diesel, I was told that the lubricity of the low sulphur diesel fuel will
"not" be changed by adding ATF to our tank when we fuel at a truck stop. In
short, adding ATF when we fuel will not help the lubricity of diesel fuel.
Yes, there will be a small percentage of diesel engines that will show wear
on seals and liners and on the fuel injection pumps and injectors from
their design, but the over the road engines we have in our Coaches will not
be affected because of the mandate by the EPA to bring the lubricity
additives back that is lost in the process. The engines that will show the
wear will be in the bracket of diesels used in cars, pick up trucks, that
were hybrid engines such as the early diesel units in pick up trucks, and
so forth.
I should imagine this will re open a can of worms, but I was one of the
people that was going to add ATF to my tank, and upon doing some reading
and talking with those who ran the tests in the labs, I will not be adding
ATF to my Kitty CAT as it is already done for me by the Refineries to the
new Federal standard.
One thing that will help more than anything else is dedication to oil
changes and increasing the amount of times we change engine oils and filters.
I am no chemist by any stretch and have concluded this change of thought
about adding ATF by what I have read and have been told by those in the
"know." So $1.55 and this e-amil will get you a cup of coffee in most
places.
Safe travels,
Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35
Duncan, Oklahoma ( feeling much better this morning)
Low Sulphur fuel (can of worms) - truitt44@...> - 05-26-2007 03:37
Ralph,
On the subject of fuel additives I have a question and statement on Injectors. I
had the owner of a local well respected diesel injector repair shop tell me that
he only and strongly recommended the brand Stanadyne Diesel Injector Additive
for keeping the injectors clean. What is your thoughts on this and any brand
preference.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 8V92 PT40
>
> From: "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> Date: 2007/05/26 Sat AM 11:05:00 EDT
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Low Sulphur fuel (can of worms)
>
> ASTM D-975 is now the standard lubricity mandate by the EPA.
>
> We all know that the low sulphur (15ppm) fuels are here to stay. In
> producing this low sulphur diesel, some of the lubricity is also removed,
> not by design but by the process to attain Low sulphur fuels to meet the
> new EPA standards.
>
> The above lubricity mandate for diesel fuel is being met by the various
> manufacturers of our diesel fuels to combat the removal of lubricants that
> go with the low sulphur diesel, which adds additives back into the #1 and #
> 2 diesel which we all use, to meet the ASTM D-975 standard.
>
> In talking with a chemist from one of the major refineries of gas and
> diesel, I was told that the lubricity of the low sulphur diesel fuel will
> "not" be changed by adding ATF to our tank when we fuel at a truck stop. In
> short, adding ATF when we fuel will not help the lubricity of diesel fuel.
>
> Yes, there will be a small percentage of diesel engines that will show wear
> on seals and liners and on the fuel injection pumps and injectors from
> their design, but the over the road engines we have in our Coaches will not
> be affected because of the mandate by the EPA to bring the lubricity
> additives back that is lost in the process. The engines that will show the
> wear will be in the bracket of diesels used in cars, pick up trucks, that
> were hybrid engines such as the early diesel units in pick up trucks, and
> so forth.
>
> I should imagine this will re open a can of worms, but I was one of the
> people that was going to add ATF to my tank, and upon doing some reading
> and talking with those who ran the tests in the labs, I will not be adding
> ATF to my Kitty CAT as it is already done for me by the Refineries to the
> new Federal standard.
>
> One thing that will help more than anything else is dedication to oil
> changes and increasing the amount of times we change engine oils and filters.
>
> I am no chemist by any stretch and have concluded this change of thought
> about adding ATF by what I have read and have been told by those in the
> "know." So $1.55 and this e-amil will get you a cup of coffee in most
> places.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35
> Duncan, Oklahoma ( feeling much better this morning)
>
>
>
Low Sulphur fuel (can of worms) - Wilhelmus Schreurs - 05-26-2007 04:02
Goodmorning Ralph. Thanks for the info but most important, to see that you are
feeling a somewhat better this morning.
Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada
----- Original Message ----
From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:05:00 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Low Sulphur fuel (can of worms)
ASTM D-975 is now the standard lubricity mandate by the EPA.
We all know that the low sulphur (15ppm) fuels are here to stay. In
producing this low sulphur diesel, some of the lubricity is also removed,
not by design but by the process to attain Low sulphur fuels to meet the
new EPA standards.
The above lubricity mandate for diesel fuel is being met by the various
manufacturers of our diesel fuels to combat the removal of lubricants that
go with the low sulphur diesel, which adds additives back into the #1 and #
2 diesel which we all use, to meet the ASTM D-975 standard.
In talking with a chemist from one of the major refineries of gas and
diesel, I was told that the lubricity of the low sulphur diesel fuel will
"not" be changed by adding ATF to our tank when we fuel at a truck stop. In
short, adding ATF when we fuel will not help the lubricity of diesel fuel.
Yes, there will be a small percentage of diesel engines that will show wear
on seals and liners and on the fuel injection pumps and injectors from
their design, but the over the road engines we have in our Coaches will not
be affected because of the mandate by the EPA to bring the lubricity
additives back that is lost in the process. The engines that will show the
wear will be in the bracket of diesels used in cars, pick up trucks, that
were hybrid engines such as the early diesel units in pick up trucks, and
so forth.
I should imagine this will re open a can of worms, but I was one of the
people that was going to add ATF to my tank, and upon doing some reading
and talking with those who ran the tests in the labs, I will not be adding
ATF to my Kitty CAT as it is already done for me by the Refineries to the
new Federal standard.
One thing that will help more than anything else is dedication to oil
changes and increasing the amount of times we change engine oils and filters.
I am no chemist by any stretch and have concluded this change of thought
about adding ATF by what I have read and have been told by those in the
"know." So $1.55 and this e-amil will get you a cup of coffee in most
places.
Safe travels,
Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35
Duncan, Oklahoma ( feeling much better this morning)
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Low Sulphur fuel (can of worms) - Ralph L. Fullenwider - 05-26-2007 04:12
Good morning Howard:
It may well be true for cleaning the injectors, I honestly do not know, nor
have read anything on injector cleaning additives. I do know that the
lubricity is mandated to be at 500 microns of lubricity, which brings the
diesel to the level it has always been. So my thoughts go back to, if the
injection pumps are not damaged and the lubricity is correct, then the
injectors should be lubricated with the present fuel we have now. Of
course, there are always the proverbial "Murphy's Law" and injectors that
were not quite up to standard when new, to begin with. I do not know brands
of injector cleaners, but common sense would dictate that any of the
injector cleaners would have to incorporate the main properties no matter
what brand. The difference would be, what is used as the "base" for
delivery of those properties. It would also seem like, when it came to
actual brands of cleaners, it would be like tires, everyone has their ides
of which is better? Still, a cleaner no matter the brand would still have
to have the main things in common to get the job done. One just smells
better than the other?
that he likes and a similar shop in the next county would use a different
brand?
Again, I am no chemist, just an owner with a Kitty CAT running on low
sulphur fuel, doing some reading and talking with highly knowledgeable
chemists that have the test equipment and have run studies on this subject.
Safe travels,
Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35
Duncan, Oklahoma
At 11:37 AM 5/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:
>Ralph,
>On the subject of fuel additives I have a question and statement on
>Injectors. I had the owner of a local well respected diesel injector
>repair shop tell me that he only and strongly recommended the brand
>Stanadyne Diesel Injector Additive for keeping the injectors clean. What
>is your thoughts on this and any brand preference.
>Howard Truitt
>Camilla, Ga.
>86 8V92 PT40
>
Low Sulphur fuel (can of worms) - Ralph L. Fullenwider - 05-26-2007 05:22
Morning Bill:
Thank you, sort of interesting how a little more blood flow helps. I
"almost" feel like putting the Racor filter housing I rebuilt back on our
Coach! LOL, well not quite yet but soon. And I have the indicator light mod
for the drive line retarder to install as well.
If a little more flow from my heart helps this much, I wonder what putting
a cooler on the power steering will do for the power steering pump?
Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
'84FC35
Duncan, Oklahoma
At 09:02 AM 5/26/2007 -0700, you wrote:
>Goodmorning Ralph. Thanks for the info but most important, to see that
>you are feeling a somewhat better this morning.
>
>Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
>Terrace, B.C. Canada
>
Low Sulphur fuel (can of worms) - four_heavyfeet - 05-26-2007 11:27
Hello Ralph:
I just had my steering box serviced for leaking seals.[changed all
hoses]I asked about a cooler for it and was told that it would not be
needed.The theory being that you would be driving straight and on the
highway most of the time.You may want to check out the temperture
with an infra red temp gun.For what its worth.
Ken Kalmakoff
1982 35sb
Richmond BC Canada
> Morning Bill:
>
> Thank you, sort of interesting how a little more blood flow helps.
I
> "almost" feel like putting the Racor filter housing I rebuilt back
on our
> Coach! LOL, well not quite yet but soon. And I have the indicator
light mod
> for the drive line retarder to install as well.
>
> If a little more flow from my heart helps this much, I wonder what
putting
> a cooler on the power steering will do for the power steering pump?
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> '84FC35
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> At 09:02 AM 5/26/2007 -0700, you wrote:
> >Goodmorning Ralph. Thanks for the info but most important, to see
that
> >you are feeling a somewhat better this morning.
> >
> >Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> >Terrace, B.C. Canada
> >
>
Low Sulphur fuel (can of worms) - davidkerryedwards - 05-26-2007 14:33
Check out my posts and pictures on modifying my power steering system by adding
high
temperature hose, larger reservoir and a cooler. My system was running very hot
and I've
seen about a 100 degree (I think) drop in fluid temperature with a cooler. (My
configuration is somewhat different than OE but almost everyone with an FC has a
power
steering hose running very close to a hot exhaust manifold)
Kerry
82 Fc 35
Denver
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "four_heavyfeet"
wrote:
>
> Hello Ralph:
> I just had my steering box serviced for leaking seals.[changed all
> hoses]I asked about a cooler for it and was told that it would not be
> needed.The theory being that you would be driving straight and on the
> highway most of the time.You may want to check out the temperture
> with an infra red temp gun.For what its worth.
>
> Ken Kalmakoff
> 1982 35sb
> Richmond BC Canada