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From a Moderator - Re: '76 FC33 Wanderlodge for sale - Bidding ends sunday. - mbulriss - 05-31-2007 07:33
One Moderator's Opinion:
I left work early yesterday, not feeling well, and was offline until
recently. In catching up on the posts from yesterday, I was somewhat
dismayed by this thread in regards to what I perceived as 'piling on'
of accusations and assumptions, rather than simply asking some
questions of the seller - *especially* since he is a forum member. I
think opinions are fine, but unfounded speculation/accusations when a
simple question would suffice are not.
I believe that Ken has openly responded to the posts on this topic in
what can only be described as a polite manner, in view of some of the
tones in the original posts.
If you have any further questions for Ken, feel free to ask them.
If anyone now feels a need to rebut Ken's responses, I suggest it
would be much better to let this thread die and move on to fixing Birds.
Thanks,
Mike Bulriss - Moderator
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth G Samson"
>
> my, my, my. is this what passes for sport around here? I've been a
> member of this and other wanderlodge forums since buying this coach
> last year, but as of late have not been reading the postings. Someone
> alerted me to the beating you folks are putting on my coach, otherwise
> i wouldn't have known. my dad had a name for folks like you, but i'm
> too much a gentleman to repeat it here. I'll just say that a man whose
> comments are full of assumptions such as Tom here, only makes an a**
> of himself.
>
> The Romesburgs of West virginia were the original owners of this
> coach. In fact, their name is still on the front door of the coach,
> and in the paperwork I have, including the original manuals. I've
> never met them, but only know what i was told by the second owner, who
> bought the coach directly from the wife in 2004, and drove it from WV
> to MI, where he spent a couple years getting it ready in anticipation
> of retiring from General Motors. The second owner, as i've stated,
> lost interest in traveling when his wife unexpectedly passed away. The
> man's story was tragic, not something to make a sport about. I spent a
> week with him and his brother in northern Michigan before going to
> Lansing for a couple months.
>
> Mrs. Romeburg informed the second owner that the engine, & trans had
> been rebuilt shortly before her husband took ill, and they never got a
> chance to use the coach much after that. Then the second owner's wife
> died before they could take it out on the road full-time, and it sat
> for a while longer til i bought it from him last year. From the
> information obtained from the second owner, I am guessing that there
> is less than 3000 miles on the engine and trans, even though the
> rebuilds took place several years ago. in the meantime, before the
> second owner's wife got cancer, he had been spending much time and
> money getting the coach ready for their full-timing plans, including
> installing the rebuilt genset he purchased to replace the old one. HE
> is the one that put the new insulation in the doghouse cover and the
> generator compartment before installing the rebuilt genset. But you're
> smarter than anyone, Tom. it's amazing the 'facts' you can generate
> out of thin air without even seeing the coach or asking questions like
> a gentleman.
>
> Speaking of Lansing, you might remember that last summer, i had
> contacted the forum for advice about a situation i had with the mall
> management, who towed my coach away. I was planning to rename my coach
> Bibliolodge, a turn of phrase on the name of my bookstore,
> BiblioMarket. Those are the facts, easily obtained simply by ASKING
> me. But it's so much easier to just make wild assumptions and stick
> your foot in your mouth, isn't it, Tom?
>
> The coach has been at my maryland property in chestertown since early
> winter 2006, where i parked it in front of my barn. The soil here on
> the Eastern Shore is sandy, and the ground was wet from a heavy
> rainstorm when i parked it here. So YES, the tires have made an small
> indentation in the ground. The thing is 15 TONS, Tom. Heavy items DO
> tend to compact sand. Get over yourself.
>
> Just to educate you a little bit, on ebay, when a person lists an item
> with a reserve, and a buy-it-now price, then the buy-it-now price will
> remain vi sable until the reserve is actually met. however, if the
> person lists an item -without- a reserve, as i did, then the
> buy-it-now price disappears upon the first bid, which in my case took
> place 16 hours after i began the listing. that's why there is no
> longer a buy-it-now price. i have not yet modified the website that
> has the description and photos, but the buy-it-now option is indeed
> expired.
>
> the coach is registered in north carolina, my second home. I have not
> taken the coach TO north carolina, however, so i was unable to get a
> current inspection sticker. I have a clear NC title in MY NAME, in MY
> possession. So much for your third party conspiracy theories.
>
> Engaging in character assassination is an ugly, ugly trait to have,
> Tom. I'm glad to never have had the displeasure of meeting you.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> >
> > Just a few comments I feel are necessary to start others checking
> > this coach closely just in case someone on the forum is looking
> > hungrily at this coach and is thinking of bidding. Especially read
> > the comments on Ebay at the bottom where potential bidders ask
> > questions. The pictures of the coach tell me a lot.
> >
> > First I believe this is another one of those 3rd person sales. Check
> > all of the details and you will see why I believe that. Look at the
> > method of payment if you do win the bid?
> >
> > There is a reserve on the coach since the seller has chosen to hide
> > the bidders names and someone supposedly already bid $12,500. He also
> > has a "buy-it-now" price in the description off Ebay but there is
> > nothing on the Ebay listing to verify that.
> >
> > I dont believe anyone drove this coach on a trip in 2006 unless they
> > drove the coach with no registration since the one on the windshield
> > ran out in 2004.
> >
> > I find it hard to believe the engine was "factory rebuilt" since
> > there are no stickers on the valve covers and corrosion and paint
> > missing. I believe the engine is the origianal one.
> >
> > Its hard for me to believe that the engine and generator were rebuilt
> > even a long time ago and surely not by the factory when you look at
> > the pictures of each. The engine and coach has obviously been driven
> > in the salt as there is salt corrosion visible. Look at the
> > adjustment rod and nut on the alternator, its severely rusted and has
> > not been adjusted for a long time.
> >
> > The coach has sit in the same place for quite a while as you can see
> > by the front tires sunken into the ground. The generator insulation
> > was replaced but not recently unless someone could do it without
> > removing the generator.
> >
> > Lots more but what I have described alone makes me suspicious. Of
> > course let the buyer beware. If I am incorrect in my comments of the
> > coach hopefully the seller will give us the details such as copies of
> > the sales receipts for the engine, transmission and generator.
> >
> > tom warner
> > vernon center,ny
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11:19 AM 5/30/2007, you wrote:
> > >NO RESERVE! 1976 FC 33 Blue Bird Wanderlodge
> > >
> > >A Rebuilt Cat 3208 Diesel engine, Rebuilt Automatic Allison MT - 640
> > >transmission, Rebuilt Onan Emerald Generator, recently replaced 2-way
> > >full sized fridge/freezer, New upholstery throughout - simply put - a
> > >beautiful coach!
> > >
> > >See all photos and detailed coach information at
> > >
> > >'76 FC33 Wanderlodge
> > >
> > >http://samsonkg.googlepages.com/1976fc33bluebirdwanderlodge
> > >
> > >Specifications-
> > >
> > > Length: 33'
> > > Model: Side Bath with separate shower.
> > > Suspension: Leaf Spring Suspension
> > > Generator: Emerald III Onan Genset. [newly REBUILT
replacement,
> > >7.5 kw, under 10 hours, separate 30 gallon gas tank for generator
fuel]
> > > Diesel Fuel Capacity: 150 Gallons
> > > Engine: REBUILT Caterpillar 3208-NA - 210 HP naturally
aspirated
> > > Transmission: REBUILT Allison Automatic 4-speed MT-640
> > >4 speed Allison automatic transmission is solid shifting, and can be
> > >manually shifted on mountain passes for more torque if desired. coach
> > >obtains consistent 10 / 11 mpg. in last 1500 miles, i used just one
> > >and a quarter quarts of oil.
> > > doghouse and generator compartment were recently freshly
> > >insulated with heavy duty sound/heat insulation.
> > > brand new fuel filter just installed 20 miles ago.
> > > TWO new full-coach power inverters installed, along with
all new
> > >batteries.
> > > nice aluminum 22.5 Alcoa wheels all around
> > > Full air brakes, recently replaced and professionally
serviced.
> > > 12 gallon water heater, heats by either electric or engine.
> > > [take a 'free' hot shower after your drive!]
> > > Culligan Water Purifier newly installed.
> > > brand new 40 channel CB radio [model TRC-503]
> > >[original CB is still installed, but disconnected.]
> > > Aircraft-Style Overhead Storage Throughout
> > > Fluorescent Direct and Indirect Lighting Throughout with
> > >Incandescent Aircraft-Style Reading Lamps at All Seating Positions
> > > Household-Grade Plumbing and Electrical Fixtures Throughout
> > > 2-way fridge, double bowl sink, microwave with convection,
Insta
> > >Hot water dispenser
> > > high intensity electric remote control searchlight, air horns,
> > >fog lights.
> > > Full Patio Awning [Zip Dee] and bright Patio Lights
> > > large roof mounted storage pod, and two different roof
mounted TV
> > >antennas.
> > > safety rail/rack all the way around the roof. Thick ribbed
> > >Aluminum Deck over Steel Roof
> > > BONUS: a 20 inch Polaroid LCD [HDTV ready] TV will be included
> > >with this motorhome! It is not installed. I had planned to install it
> > >on a ceiling mounted flip-down mechanism, but did not get around to
> > >finding the mount. in the meantime, i simply set it up on top of the
> > >cabinet in the living room and laid it down on a soft blanket
while in
> > >motion. It works great and gives a very nice picture at any viewing
> > >angle.
> > >
> > > Tankage:
> > > Fresh Water- 98 Gallons
> > > Gray Water - 60 Gallons
> > > Waste Water-42 Gallons
> > > LP-45 Gallons [plumbed for external BBQ hookup, too!]
> > >
> > > - Features-
> > > Blue Bird All American Chassis
> > > Dual roof airs, blows very COLD!
> > > 30 amp service.
> > > Engine/Chassis Heaters with Thermostat
> > > three zoned propane heaters
> > > two clothes closets.
> > > nice big heated Ramco remote mirrors [replaced the factory
> > >driving mirrors.]
> > > All Copper Air and Fuel Lines
> > > Urethane Foam Insulation
> > > full sized Bed [has mattress in the coach, i forgot to put it
> > >back in there when i took the photos this afternoon. i had brought it
> > >in the house for a guest to sleep on.]
> > > Standard Gas Eye Level microwave Oven with Range
> > > Nutone food center power unit built in on counter, with
> > > blender and ice crusher attachments for those must-have summer
> smoothies!
> > > built in ice maker and trash compactor
> > >The 2 way refrigerator/freezer is a full sized recent model Norcold
> > >replacement with black front panels.
> > >
> > > -Sound System, Includes:
> > > AM/FM Radio, 8-Track Stereo
> > >
> > > Factory Rebuilt Cat diesel engine and Allison automatic
> > >transmission. There are less than 3,000 miles on this engine and
> > >transmission. i am the third owner. the first owner had just had the
> > >new factory rebuilt engine and transmission installed when he
suffered
> > >a stroke and could not drive the motorhome anymore. it then sat for
> > >about a year until his death. Second owner bought from the original
> > >owner's wife in west virginia and drove it to michigan. Preparing the
> > >motorhome to travel full time with his wife, second owner had all the
> > >upholstery replaced and spent approx. $7500 making upgrades,
including
> > >a replacement fridge/freezer and the Emerald generator [in the
> > >pictures, it appears that the sofa has stains, but it really does
not.
> > > those are just shadows from the fabric, which is a velvety type of
> > >fabric with a slightly raised nap] His wife then found out she had
> > >cancer and she died shortly thereafter. Following her death, second
> > >owner lost interest in the motorhome and it sat in barn storage
at his
> > >brother's farm for a couple years. Last July he sold it to me. I
> > >drove it approx. 1500 miles since then, including a trip to maryland
> > >from michigan. Starts on first roll of the engine every time, and
runs
> > >very strong. I am selling in order to use the cash proceeds to do
> > >repairs and renovations to my home so i can put it on the market. Of
> > >course, I'll be buying another Wanderlodge after i sell my home!
Once
> > >you get a Wanderlodge, you'll never settle for anything less.
> > >
> > > Includes all original owner's manuals for the coach and other items
> > >added to it since then.
> > >
> > > Known defects:
> > > tires need to be replaced. they are weather checked, and
> > >although i drove over 1500 miles on them in this condition, i would
> > >not recommend the new owner drive them like this for much longer.
> > >There are truck tire service centers within 75 miles in any direction
> > >away from my home, including Annapolis, Dover, Wilmington,
> > >Easton/Salisbury, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington DC areas. I
> > >highly recommend a stop for fresh tires on your way home.
> > > Front roof air is disconnected, and has been for years. it is
> > >unknown whether is was working when disconnected by the first owner.
> > > small stone chip in one of the front windshields. [no cracks,
> > >just the small chip.]
> > > Cruise control is present, but disconnected.
> > > one Propane Heater [out of three] is not working, probably
just
> > >needs cleaning.
> > > speedometer broke during last trip in September 2006. 860
miles
> > >put on since then. [calculated by mapquest when i entered the route i
> > >took during the last trip]
> > > one air vent cover over the kitchen area is broken. fan and
> > >light in that vent still work fine - it's just the plastic lid
that is
> > >broken. replacements are cheap and available on ebay.
> > > rear air conditioner is missing one vent cover. works
perfectly
> > >fine however, and is very cold.
> > >
> > >Terms: non-refundable Deposit [10% of starting bid ] to hold the
coach
> > >is due within 2 days of auction end, either by paypal or overnight
> > >mail. [certified check or money order only] Balance due in certified
> > >funds within 10 days of auction end, whether you pick up the coach in
> > >that time period or not. Winning bidder is responsible for pick
up in
> > >Worton, MD, just outside of Chestertown. If you so desire, I am
happy
> > >to help you arrange storage in Chestertown subsequent to your
> > >purchase, at your expense, if you will be delayed in picking up the
> > >coach.
> > >
> > >As you would expect on a 30-year-old vehicle, no warranty is
expressed
> > >or implied. I have represented the vehicle in what I feel is an
> > >honest fashion through words and pictures. All pictures were taken
> > >May 27, 2007.
> > >
> > >http://samsonkg.googlepages.com/1976fc33bluebirdwanderlodge
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
From a Moderator - Re: '76 FC33 Wanderlodge for sale - Bidding ends sunday. - Gregory OConnor - 05-31-2007 18:26
Mike, I felt Tom was posting relevent substantiated assumptions based
on the information in the advert. In my view, it a good post for
forum members to read if they intended to bid on Kens bus. The reply
brought to light that the rebuilt engine with low miles was almost
as old as the bus. I disagree with your take on Kens reply to Tom.
Hope you are feeling better
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...>
wrote:
>
> One Moderator's Opinion:
>
> I left work early yesterday, not feeling well, and was offline until
> recently. In catching up on the posts from yesterday, I was
somewhat
> dismayed by this thread in regards to what I perceived as 'piling
on'
> of accusations and assumptions, rather than simply asking some
> questions of the seller - *especially* since he is a forum member.
I
> think opinions are fine, but unfounded speculation/accusations when
a
> simple question would suffice are not.
>
> I believe that Ken has openly responded to the posts on this topic
in
> what can only be described as a polite manner, in view of some of
the
> tones in the original posts.
>
> If you have any further questions for Ken, feel free to ask them.
>
> If anyone now feels a need to rebut Ken's responses, I suggest it
> would be much better to let this thread die and move on to fixing
Birds.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Bulriss - Moderator
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth G Samson"
>
> >
> > my, my, my. is this what passes for sport around here? I've been
a
> > member of this and other wanderlodge forums since buying this
coach
> > last year, but as of late have not been reading the postings.
Someone
> > alerted me to the beating you folks are putting on my coach,
otherwise
> > i wouldn't have known. my dad had a name for folks like you, but
i'm
> > too much a gentleman to repeat it here. I'll just say that a man
whose
> > comments are full of assumptions such as Tom here, only makes an
a**
> > of himself.
> >
> > The Romesburgs of West virginia were the original owners of this
> > coach. In fact, their name is still on the front door of the
coach,
> > and in the paperwork I have, including the original manuals. I've
> > never met them, but only know what i was told by the second
owner, who
> > bought the coach directly from the wife in 2004, and drove it
from WV
> > to MI, where he spent a couple years getting it ready in
anticipation
> > of retiring from General Motors. The second owner, as i've stated,
> > lost interest in traveling when his wife unexpectedly passed
away. The
> > man's story was tragic, not something to make a sport about. I
spent a
> > week with him and his brother in northern Michigan before going to
> > Lansing for a couple months.
> >
> > Mrs. Romeburg informed the second owner that the engine, & trans
had
> > been rebuilt shortly before her husband took ill, and they never
got a
> > chance to use the coach much after that. Then the second owner's
wife
> > died before they could take it out on the road full-time, and it
sat
> > for a while longer til i bought it from him last year. From the
> > information obtained from the second owner, I am guessing that
there
> > is less than 3000 miles on the engine and trans, even though the
> > rebuilds took place several years ago. in the meantime, before the
> > second owner's wife got cancer, he had been spending much time and
> > money getting the coach ready for their full-timing plans,
including
> > installing the rebuilt genset he purchased to replace the old
one. HE
> > is the one that put the new insulation in the doghouse cover and
the
> > generator compartment before installing the rebuilt genset. But
you're
> > smarter than anyone, Tom. it's amazing the 'facts' you can
generate
> > out of thin air without even seeing the coach or asking questions
like
> > a gentleman.
> >
> > Speaking of Lansing, you might remember that last summer, i had
> > contacted the forum for advice about a situation i had with the
mall
> > management, who towed my coach away. I was planning to rename my
coach
> > Bibliolodge, a turn of phrase on the name of my bookstore,
> > BiblioMarket. Those are the facts, easily obtained simply by
ASKING
> > me. But it's so much easier to just make wild assumptions and
stick
> > your foot in your mouth, isn't it, Tom?
> >
> > The coach has been at my maryland property in chestertown since
early
> > winter 2006, where i parked it in front of my barn. The soil here
on
> > the Eastern Shore is sandy, and the ground was wet from a heavy
> > rainstorm when i parked it here. So YES, the tires have made an
small
> > indentation in the ground. The thing is 15 TONS, Tom. Heavy items
DO
> > tend to compact sand. Get over yourself.
> >
> > Just to educate you a little bit, on ebay, when a person lists an
item
> > with a reserve, and a buy-it-now price, then the buy-it-now price
will
> > remain vi sable until the reserve is actually met. however, if the
> > person lists an item -without- a reserve, as i did, then the
> > buy-it-now price disappears upon the first bid, which in my case
took
> > place 16 hours after i began the listing. that's why there is no
> > longer a buy-it-now price. i have not yet modified the website
that
> > has the description and photos, but the buy-it-now option is
indeed
> > expired.
> >
> > the coach is registered in north carolina, my second home. I have
not
> > taken the coach TO north carolina, however, so i was unable to
get a
> > current inspection sticker. I have a clear NC title in MY NAME,
in MY
> > possession. So much for your third party conspiracy theories.
> >
> > Engaging in character assassination is an ugly, ugly trait to
have,
> > Tom. I'm glad to never have had the displeasure of meeting you.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
> > >
> > > Just a few comments I feel are necessary to start others
checking
> > > this coach closely just in case someone on the forum is looking
> > > hungrily at this coach and is thinking of bidding. Especially
read
> > > the comments on Ebay at the bottom where potential bidders ask
> > > questions. The pictures of the coach tell me a lot.
> > >
> > > First I believe this is another one of those 3rd person sales.
Check
> > > all of the details and you will see why I believe that. Look at
the
> > > method of payment if you do win the bid?
> > >
> > > There is a reserve on the coach since the seller has chosen to
hide
> > > the bidders names and someone supposedly already bid $12,500.
He also
> > > has a "buy-it-now" price in the description off Ebay but there
is
> > > nothing on the Ebay listing to verify that.
> > >
> > > I dont believe anyone drove this coach on a trip in 2006 unless
they
> > > drove the coach with no registration since the one on the
windshield
> > > ran out in 2004.
> > >
> > > I find it hard to believe the engine was "factory rebuilt"
since
> > > there are no stickers on the valve covers and corrosion and
paint
> > > missing. I believe the engine is the origianal one.
> > >
> > > Its hard for me to believe that the engine and generator were
rebuilt
> > > even a long time ago and surely not by the factory when you
look at
> > > the pictures of each. The engine and coach has obviously been
driven
> > > in the salt as there is salt corrosion visible. Look at the
> > > adjustment rod and nut on the alternator, its severely rusted
and has
> > > not been adjusted for a long time.
> > >
> > > The coach has sit in the same place for quite a while as you
can see
> > > by the front tires sunken into the ground. The generator
insulation
> > > was replaced but not recently unless someone could do it
without
> > > removing the generator.
> > >
> > > Lots more but what I have described alone makes me suspicious.
Of
> > > course let the buyer beware. If I am incorrect in my comments
of the
> > > coach hopefully the seller will give us the details such as
copies of
> > > the sales receipts for the engine, transmission and generator.
> > >
> > > tom warner
> > > vernon center,ny
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 11:19 AM 5/30/2007, you wrote:
> > > >NO RESERVE! 1976 FC 33 Blue Bird Wanderlodge
> > > >
> > > >A Rebuilt Cat 3208 Diesel engine, Rebuilt Automatic Allison
MT - 640
> > > >transmission, Rebuilt Onan Emerald Generator, recently
replaced 2-way
> > > >full sized fridge/freezer, New upholstery throughout - simply
put - a
> > > >beautiful coach!
> > > >
> > > >See all photos and detailed coach information at
> > > >
> > > >'76 FC33 Wanderlodge
> > > >
> > > >http://samsonkg.googlepages.com/1976fc33bluebirdwanderlodge
> > > >
> > > >Specifications-
> > > >
> > > > Length: 33'
> > > > Model: Side Bath with separate shower.
> > > > Suspension: Leaf Spring Suspension
> > > > Generator: Emerald III Onan Genset. [newly REBUILT
> replacement,
> > > >7.5 kw, under 10 hours, separate 30 gallon gas tank for
generator
> fuel]
> > > > Diesel Fuel Capacity: 150 Gallons
> > > > Engine: REBUILT Caterpillar 3208-NA - 210 HP naturally
> aspirated
> > > > Transmission: REBUILT Allison Automatic 4-speed MT-640
> > > >4 speed Allison automatic transmission is solid shifting, and
can be
> > > >manually shifted on mountain passes for more torque if
desired. coach
> > > >obtains consistent 10 / 11 mpg. in last 1500 miles, i used
just one
> > > >and a quarter quarts of oil.
> > > > doghouse and generator compartment were recently freshly
> > > >insulated with heavy duty sound/heat insulation.
> > > > brand new fuel filter just installed 20 miles ago.
> > > > TWO new full-coach power inverters installed, along with
> all new
> > > >batteries.
> > > > nice aluminum 22.5 Alcoa wheels all around
> > > > Full air brakes, recently replaced and professionally
> serviced.
> > > > 12 gallon water heater, heats by either electric or
engine.
> > > > [take a 'free' hot shower after your drive!]
> > > > Culligan Water Purifier newly installed.
> > > > brand new 40 channel CB radio [model TRC-503]
> > > >[original CB is still installed, but disconnected.]
> > > > Aircraft-Style Overhead Storage Throughout
> > > > Fluorescent Direct and Indirect Lighting Throughout with
> > > >Incandescent Aircraft-Style Reading Lamps at All Seating
Positions
> > > > Household-Grade Plumbing and Electrical Fixtures
Throughout
> > > > 2-way fridge, double bowl sink, microwave with
convection,
> Insta
> > > >Hot water dispenser
> > > > high intensity electric remote control searchlight, air
horns,
> > > >fog lights.
> > > > Full Patio Awning [Zip Dee] and bright Patio Lights
> > > > large roof mounted storage pod, and two different roof
> mounted TV
> > > >antennas.
> > > > safety rail/rack all the way around the roof. Thick
ribbed
> > > >Aluminum Deck over Steel Roof
> > > > BONUS: a 20 inch Polaroid LCD [HDTV ready] TV will be
included
> > > >with this motorhome! It is not installed. I had planned to
install it
> > > >on a ceiling mounted flip-down mechanism, but did not get
around to
> > > >finding the mount. in the meantime, i simply set it up on top
of the
> > > >cabinet in the living room and laid it down on a soft blanket
> while in
> > > >motion. It works great and gives a very nice picture at any
viewing
> > > >angle.
> > > >
> > > > Tankage:
> > > > Fresh Water- 98 Gallons
> > > > Gray Water - 60 Gallons
> > > > Waste Water-42 Gallons
> > > > LP-45 Gallons [plumbed for external BBQ hookup,
too!]
> > > >
> > > > - Features-
> > > > Blue Bird All American Chassis
> > > > Dual roof airs, blows very COLD!
> > > > 30 amp service.
> > > > Engine/Chassis Heaters with Thermostat
> > > > three zoned propane heaters
> > > > two clothes closets.
> > > > nice big heated Ramco remote mirrors [replaced the
factory
> > > >driving mirrors.]
> > > > All Copper Air and Fuel Lines
> > > > Urethane Foam Insulation
> > > > full sized Bed [has mattress in the coach, i forgot to
put it
> > > >back in there when i took the photos this afternoon. i had
brought it
> > > >in the house for a guest to sleep on.]
> > > > Standard Gas Eye Level microwave Oven with Range
> > > > Nutone food center power unit built in on counter, with
> > > > blender and ice crusher attachments for those must-have
summer
> > smoothies!
> > > > built in ice maker and trash compactor
> > > >The 2 way refrigerator/freezer is a full sized recent model
Norcold
> > > >replacement with black front panels.
> > > >
> > > > -Sound System, Includes:
> > > > AM/FM Radio, 8-Track Stereo
> > > >
> > > > Factory Rebuilt Cat diesel engine and Allison automatic
> > > >transmission. There are less than 3,000 miles on this engine
and
> > > >transmission. i am the third owner. the first owner had just
had the
> > > >new factory rebuilt engine and transmission installed when he
> suffered
> > > >a stroke and could not drive the motorhome anymore. it then
sat for
> > > >about a year until his death. Second owner bought from the
original
> > > >owner's wife in west virginia and drove it to michigan.
Preparing the
> > > >motorhome to travel full time with his wife, second owner had
all the
> > > >upholstery replaced and spent approx. $7500 making upgrades,
> including
> > > >a replacement fridge/freezer and the Emerald generator [in the
> > > >pictures, it appears that the sofa has stains, but it really
does
> not.
> > > > those are just shadows from the fabric, which is a velvety
type of
> > > >fabric with a slightly raised nap] His wife then found out she
had
> > > >cancer and she died shortly thereafter. Following her death,
second
> > > >owner lost interest in the motorhome and it sat in barn storage
> at his
> > > >brother's farm for a couple years. Last July he sold it to
me. I
> > > >drove it approx. 1500 miles since then, including a trip to
maryland
> > > >from michigan. Starts on first roll of the engine every time,
and
> runs
> > > >very strong. I am selling in order to use the cash proceeds
to do
> > > >repairs and renovations to my home so i can put it on the
market. Of
> > > >course, I'll be buying another Wanderlodge after i sell my
home!
> Once
> > > >you get a Wanderlodge, you'll never settle for anything less.
> > > >
> > > > Includes all original owner's manuals for the coach and
other items
> > > >added to it since then.
> > > >
> > > > Known defects:
> > > > tires need to be replaced. they are weather checked, and
> > > >although i drove over 1500 miles on them in this condition, i
would
> > > >not recommend the new owner drive them like this for much
longer.
> > > >There are truck tire service centers within 75 miles in any
direction
> > > >away from my home, including Annapolis, Dover, Wilmington,
> > > >Easton/Salisbury, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington DC
areas. I
> > > >highly recommend a stop for fresh tires on your way home.
> > > > Front roof air is disconnected, and has been for years.
it is
> > > >unknown whether is was working when disconnected by the first
owner.
> > > > small stone chip in one of the front windshields. [no
cracks,
> > > >just the small chip.]
> > > > Cruise control is present, but disconnected.
> > > > one Propane Heater [out of three] is not working,
probably
> just
> > > >needs cleaning.
> > > > speedometer broke during last trip in September 2006.
860
> miles
> > > >put on since then. [calculated by mapquest when i entered the
route i
> > > >took during the last trip]
> > > > one air vent cover over the kitchen area is broken. fan
and
> > > >light in that vent still work fine - it's just the plastic lid
> that is
> > > >broken. replacements are cheap and available on ebay.
> > > > rear air conditioner is missing one vent cover. works
> perfectly
> > > >fine however, and is very cold.
> > > >
> > > >Terms: non-refundable Deposit [10% of starting bid ] to hold
the
> coach
> > > >is due within 2 days of auction end, either by paypal or
overnight
> > > >mail. [certified check or money order only] Balance due in
certified
> > > >funds within 10 days of auction end, whether you pick up the
coach in
> > > >that time period or not. Winning bidder is responsible for
pick
> up in
> > > >Worton, MD, just outside of Chestertown. If you so desire, I
am
> happy
> > > >to help you arrange storage in Chestertown subsequent to your
> > > >purchase, at your expense, if you will be delayed in picking
up the
> > > >coach.
> > > >
> > > >As you would expect on a 30-year-old vehicle, no warranty is
> expressed
> > > >or implied. I have represented the vehicle in what I feel is
an
> > > >honest fashion through words and pictures. All pictures were
taken
> > > >May 27, 2007.
> > > >
> > > >http://samsonkg.googlepages.com/1976fc33bluebirdwanderlodge
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
From a Moderator - Re: '76 FC33 Wanderlodge for sale - Bidding ends sunday. - bubblerboy64 - 05-31-2007 23:17
I am a member of a yahoo group pertaining to collectable watches. We
have taken the position that anything listed on eBay is fair game for
criticism. Being a perspective buyer I must say my heart lies with
the group who have pointed to potential problem area's. Let the facts
speak for themselves. I guess it has to be determined by the
moderator how much of this is appropriate for this group but I vote
to help the new guy. Obviously. JEH
>
> Mike, I felt Tom was posting relevent substantiated assumptions
based
> on the information in the advert. In my view, it a good post for
> forum members to read if they intended to bid on Kens bus. The
reply
> brought to light that the rebuilt engine with low miles was almost
> as old as the bus. I disagree with your take on Kens reply to Tom.
>
> Hope you are feeling better
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> wrote:
> >
> > One Moderator's Opinion:
> >
> > I left work early yesterday, not feeling well, and was offline
until
> > recently. In catching up on the posts from yesterday, I was
> somewhat
> > dismayed by this thread in regards to what I perceived as 'piling
> on'
> > of accusations and assumptions, rather than simply asking some
> > questions of the seller - *especially* since he is a forum
member.
> I
> > think opinions are fine, but unfounded speculation/accusations
when
> a
> > simple question would suffice are not.
> >
> > I believe that Ken has openly responded to the posts on this
topic
> in
> > what can only be described as a polite manner, in view of some of
> the
> > tones in the original posts.
> >
> > If you have any further questions for Ken, feel free to ask
them.
> >
> > If anyone now feels a need to rebut Ken's responses, I suggest it
> > would be much better to let this thread die and move on to fixing
> Birds.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike Bulriss - Moderator
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth G Samson"
> >
> > >
> > > my, my, my. is this what passes for sport around here? I've
been
> a
> > > member of this and other wanderlodge forums since buying this
> coach
> > > last year, but as of late have not been reading the postings.
> Someone
> > > alerted me to the beating you folks are putting on my coach,
> otherwise
> > > i wouldn't have known. my dad had a name for folks like you,
but
> i'm
> > > too much a gentleman to repeat it here. I'll just say that a
man
> whose
> > > comments are full of assumptions such as Tom here, only makes
an
> a**
> > > of himself.
> > >
> > > The Romesburgs of West virginia were the original owners of this
> > > coach. In fact, their name is still on the front door of the
> coach,
> > > and in the paperwork I have, including the original manuals.
I've
> > > never met them, but only know what i was told by the second
> owner, who
> > > bought the coach directly from the wife in 2004, and drove it
> from WV
> > > to MI, where he spent a couple years getting it ready in
> anticipation
> > > of retiring from General Motors. The second owner, as i've
stated,
> > > lost interest in traveling when his wife unexpectedly passed
> away. The
> > > man's story was tragic, not something to make a sport about. I
> spent a
> > > week with him and his brother in northern Michigan before going
to
> > > Lansing for a couple months.
> > >
> > > Mrs. Romeburg informed the second owner that the engine, &
trans
> had
> > > been rebuilt shortly before her husband took ill, and they
never
> got a
> > > chance to use the coach much after that. Then the second
owner's
> wife
> > > died before they could take it out on the road full-time, and
it
> sat
> > > for a while longer til i bought it from him last year. From the
> > > information obtained from the second owner, I am guessing that
> there
> > > is less than 3000 miles on the engine and trans, even though the
> > > rebuilds took place several years ago. in the meantime, before
the
> > > second owner's wife got cancer, he had been spending much time
and
> > > money getting the coach ready for their full-timing plans,
> including
> > > installing the rebuilt genset he purchased to replace the old
> one. HE
> > > is the one that put the new insulation in the doghouse cover
and
> the
> > > generator compartment before installing the rebuilt genset. But
> you're
> > > smarter than anyone, Tom. it's amazing the 'facts' you can
> generate
> > > out of thin air without even seeing the coach or asking
questions
> like
> > > a gentleman.
> > >
> > > Speaking of Lansing, you might remember that last summer, i had
> > > contacted the forum for advice about a situation i had with the
> mall
> > > management, who towed my coach away. I was planning to rename
my
> coach
> > > Bibliolodge, a turn of phrase on the name of my bookstore,
> > > BiblioMarket. Those are the facts, easily obtained simply by
> ASKING
> > > me. But it's so much easier to just make wild assumptions and
> stick
> > > your foot in your mouth, isn't it, Tom?
> > >
> > > The coach has been at my maryland property in chestertown since
> early
> > > winter 2006, where i parked it in front of my barn. The soil
here
> on
> > > the Eastern Shore is sandy, and the ground was wet from a heavy
> > > rainstorm when i parked it here. So YES, the tires have made an
> small
> > > indentation in the ground. The thing is 15 TONS, Tom. Heavy
items
> DO
> > > tend to compact sand. Get over yourself.
> > >
> > > Just to educate you a little bit, on ebay, when a person lists
an
> item
> > > with a reserve, and a buy-it-now price, then the buy-it-now
price
> will
> > > remain vi sable until the reserve is actually met. however, if
the
> > > person lists an item -without- a reserve, as i did, then the
> > > buy-it-now price disappears upon the first bid, which in my
case
> took
> > > place 16 hours after i began the listing. that's why there is no
> > > longer a buy-it-now price. i have not yet modified the website
> that
> > > has the description and photos, but the buy-it-now option is
> indeed
> > > expired.
> > >
> > > the coach is registered in north carolina, my second home. I
have
> not
> > > taken the coach TO north carolina, however, so i was unable to
> get a
> > > current inspection sticker. I have a clear NC title in MY NAME,
> in MY
> > > possession. So much for your third party conspiracy theories.
> > >
> > > Engaging in character assassination is an ugly, ugly trait to
> have,
> > > Tom. I'm glad to never have had the displeasure of meeting you.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just a few comments I feel are necessary to start others
> checking
> > > > this coach closely just in case someone on the forum is
looking
> > > > hungrily at this coach and is thinking of bidding. Especially
> read
> > > > the comments on Ebay at the bottom where potential bidders
ask
> > > > questions. The pictures of the coach tell me a lot.
> > > >
> > > > First I believe this is another one of those 3rd person
sales.
> Check
> > > > all of the details and you will see why I believe that. Look
at
> the
> > > > method of payment if you do win the bid?
> > > >
> > > > There is a reserve on the coach since the seller has chosen
to
> hide
> > > > the bidders names and someone supposedly already bid $12,500.
> He also
> > > > has a "buy-it-now" price in the description off Ebay but
there
> is
> > > > nothing on the Ebay listing to verify that.
> > > >
> > > > I dont believe anyone drove this coach on a trip in 2006
unless
> they
> > > > drove the coach with no registration since the one on the
> windshield
> > > > ran out in 2004.
> > > >
> > > > I find it hard to believe the engine was "factory rebuilt"
> since
> > > > there are no stickers on the valve covers and corrosion and
> paint
> > > > missing. I believe the engine is the origianal one.
> > > >
> > > > Its hard for me to believe that the engine and generator were
> rebuilt
> > > > even a long time ago and surely not by the factory when you
> look at
> > > > the pictures of each. The engine and coach has obviously been
> driven
> > > > in the salt as there is salt corrosion visible. Look at the
> > > > adjustment rod and nut on the alternator, its severely rusted
> and has
> > > > not been adjusted for a long time.
> > > >
> > > > The coach has sit in the same place for quite a while as you
> can see
> > > > by the front tires sunken into the ground. The generator
> insulation
> > > > was replaced but not recently unless someone could do it
> without
> > > > removing the generator.
> > > >
> > > > Lots more but what I have described alone makes me
suspicious.
> Of
> > > > course let the buyer beware. If I am incorrect in my comments
> of the
> > > > coach hopefully the seller will give us the details such as
> copies of
> > > > the sales receipts for the engine, transmission and generator.
> > > >
> > > > tom warner
> > > > vernon center,ny
> > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 11:19 AM 5/30/2007, you wrote:
> > > > >NO RESERVE! 1976 FC 33 Blue Bird Wanderlodge
> > > > >
> > > > >A Rebuilt Cat 3208 Diesel engine, Rebuilt Automatic Allison
> MT - 640
> > > > >transmission, Rebuilt Onan Emerald Generator, recently
> replaced 2-way
> > > > >full sized fridge/freezer, New upholstery throughout -
simply
> put - a
> > > > >beautiful coach!
> > > > >
> > > > >See all photos and detailed coach information at
> > > > >
> > > > >'76 FC33 Wanderlodge
> > > > >
> > > > >http://samsonkg.googlepages.com/1976fc33bluebirdwanderlodge
> > > > >
> > > > >Specifications-
> > > > >
> > > > > Length: 33'
> > > > > Model: Side Bath with separate shower.
> > > > > Suspension: Leaf Spring Suspension
> > > > > Generator: Emerald III Onan Genset. [newly REBUILT
> > replacement,
> > > > >7.5 kw, under 10 hours, separate 30 gallon gas tank for
> generator
> > fuel]
> > > > > Diesel Fuel Capacity: 150 Gallons
> > > > > Engine: REBUILT Caterpillar 3208-NA - 210 HP naturally
> > aspirated
> > > > > Transmission: REBUILT Allison Automatic 4-speed MT-640
> > > > >4 speed Allison automatic transmission is solid shifting,
and
> can be
> > > > >manually shifted on mountain passes for more torque if
> desired. coach
> > > > >obtains consistent 10 / 11 mpg. in last 1500 miles, i used
> just one
> > > > >and a quarter quarts of oil.
> > > > > doghouse and generator compartment were recently
freshly
> > > > >insulated with heavy duty sound/heat insulation.
> > > > > brand new fuel filter just installed 20 miles ago.
> > > > > TWO new full-coach power inverters installed, along
with
> > all new
> > > > >batteries.
> > > > > nice aluminum 22.5 Alcoa wheels all around
> > > > > Full air brakes, recently replaced and professionally
> > serviced.
> > > > > 12 gallon water heater, heats by either electric or
> engine.
> > > > > [take a 'free' hot shower after your drive!]
> > > > > Culligan Water Purifier newly installed.
> > > > > brand new 40 channel CB radio [model TRC-503]
> > > > >[original CB is still installed, but disconnected.]
> > > > > Aircraft-Style Overhead Storage Throughout
> > > > > Fluorescent Direct and Indirect Lighting Throughout
with
> > > > >Incandescent Aircraft-Style Reading Lamps at All Seating
> Positions
> > > > > Household-Grade Plumbing and Electrical Fixtures
> Throughout
> > > > > 2-way fridge, double bowl sink, microwave with
> convection,
> > Insta
> > > > >Hot water dispenser
> > > > > high intensity electric remote control searchlight,
air
> horns,
> > > > >fog lights.
> > > > > Full Patio Awning [Zip Dee] and bright Patio Lights
> > > > > large roof mounted storage pod, and two different roof
> > mounted TV
> > > > >antennas.
> > > > > safety rail/rack all the way around the roof. Thick
> ribbed
> > > > >Aluminum Deck over Steel Roof
> > > > > BONUS: a 20 inch Polaroid LCD [HDTV ready] TV will be
> included
> > > > >with this motorhome! It is not installed. I had planned to
> install it
> > > > >on a ceiling mounted flip-down mechanism, but did not get
> around to
> > > > >finding the mount. in the meantime, i simply set it up on
top
> of the
> > > > >cabinet in the living room and laid it down on a soft blanket
> > while in
> > > > >motion. It works great and gives a very nice picture at any
> viewing
> > > > >angle.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tankage:
> > > > > Fresh Water- 98 Gallons
> > > > > Gray Water - 60 Gallons
> > > > > Waste Water-42 Gallons
> > > > > LP-45 Gallons [plumbed for external BBQ hookup,
> too!]
> > > > >
> > > > > - Features-
> > > > > Blue Bird All American Chassis
> > > > > Dual roof airs, blows very COLD!
> > > > > 30 amp service.
> > > > > Engine/Chassis Heaters with Thermostat
> > > > > three zoned propane heaters
> > > > > two clothes closets.
> > > > > nice big heated Ramco remote mirrors [replaced the
> factory
> > > > >driving mirrors.]
> > > > > All Copper Air and Fuel Lines
> > > > > Urethane Foam Insulation
> > > > > full sized Bed [has mattress in the coach, i forgot
to
> put it
> > > > >back in there when i took the photos this afternoon. i had
> brought it
> > > > >in the house for a guest to sleep on.]
> > > > > Standard Gas Eye Level microwave Oven with Range
> > > > > Nutone food center power unit built in on counter,
with
> > > > > blender and ice crusher attachments for those must-have
> summer
> > > smoothies!
> > > > > built in ice maker and trash compactor
> > > > >The 2 way refrigerator/freezer is a full sized recent model
> Norcold
> > > > >replacement with black front panels.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Sound System, Includes:
> > > > > AM/FM Radio, 8-Track Stereo
> > > > >
> > > > > Factory Rebuilt Cat diesel engine and Allison
automatic
> > > > >transmission. There are less than 3,000 miles on this engine
> and
> > > > >transmission. i am the third owner. the first owner had just
> had the
> > > > >new factory rebuilt engine and transmission installed when he
> > suffered
> > > > >a stroke and could not drive the motorhome anymore. it then
> sat for
> > > > >about a year until his death. Second owner bought from the
> original
> > > > >owner's wife in west virginia and drove it to michigan.
> Preparing the
> > > > >motorhome to travel full time with his wife, second owner
had
> all the
> > > > >upholstery replaced and spent approx. $7500 making upgrades,
> > including
> > > > >a replacement fridge/freezer and the Emerald generator [in
the
> > > > >pictures, it appears that the sofa has stains, but it really
> does
> > not.
> > > > > those are just shadows from the fabric, which is a velvety
> type of
> > > > >fabric with a slightly raised nap] His wife then found out
she
> had
> > > > >cancer and she died shortly thereafter. Following her death,
> second
> > > > >owner lost interest in the motorhome and it sat in barn
storage
> > at his
> > > > >brother's farm for a couple years. Last July he sold it to
> me. I
> > > > >drove it approx. 1500 miles since then, including a trip to
> maryland
> > > > >from michigan. Starts on first roll of the engine every
time,
> and
> > runs
> > > > >very strong. I am selling in order to use the cash proceeds
> to do
> > > > >repairs and renovations to my home so i can put it on the
> market. Of
> > > > >course, I'll be buying another Wanderlodge after i sell my
> home!
> > Once
> > > > >you get a Wanderlodge, you'll never settle for anything less.
> > > > >
> > > > > Includes all original owner's manuals for the coach and
> other items
> > > > >added to it since then.
> > > > >
> > > > > Known defects:
> > > > > tires need to be replaced. they are weather checked,
and
> > > > >although i drove over 1500 miles on them in this condition,
i
> would
> > > > >not recommend the new owner drive them like this for much
> longer.
> > > > >There are truck tire service centers within 75 miles in any
> direction
> > > > >away from my home, including Annapolis, Dover, Wilmington,
> > > > >Easton/Salisbury, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington DC
> areas. I
> > > > >highly recommend a stop for fresh tires on your way home.
> > > > > Front roof air is disconnected, and has been for
years.
> it is
> > > > >unknown whether is was working when disconnected by the
first
> owner.
> > > > > small stone chip in one of the front windshields. [no
> cracks,
> > > > >just the small chip.]
> > > > > Cruise control is present, but disconnected.
> > > > > one Propane Heater [out of three] is not working,
> probably
> > just
> > > > >needs cleaning.
> > > > > speedometer broke during last trip in September 2006.
> 860
> > miles
> > > > >put on since then. [calculated by mapquest when i entered
the
> route i
> > > > >took during the last trip]
> > > > > one air vent cover over the kitchen area is broken.
fan
> and
> > > > >light in that vent still work fine - it's just the plastic
lid
> > that is
> > > > >broken. replacements are cheap and available on ebay.
> > > > > rear air conditioner is missing one vent cover. works
> > perfectly
> > > > >fine however, and is very cold.
> > > > >
> > > > >Terms: non-refundable Deposit [10% of starting bid ] to hold
> the
> > coach
> > > > >is due within 2 days of auction end, either by paypal or
> overnight
> > > > >mail. [certified check or money order only] Balance due in
> certified
> > > > >funds within 10 days of auction end, whether you pick up the
> coach in
> > > > >that time period or not. Winning bidder is responsible for
> pick
> > up in
> > > > >Worton, MD, just outside of Chestertown. If you so desire,
I
> am
> > happy
> > > > >to help you arrange storage in Chestertown subsequent to your
> > > > >purchase, at your expense, if you will be delayed in picking
> up the
> > > > >coach.
> > > > >
> > > > >As you would expect on a 30-year-old vehicle, no warranty is
> > expressed
> > > > >or implied. I have represented the vehicle in what I feel
is
> an
> > > > >honest fashion through words and pictures. All pictures
were
> taken
> > > > >May 27, 2007.
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