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Black Streaks - erniecarpet@... - 07-22-2007 09:03
Leroy- were the new screws that you installed for the diamond plate?
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt
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Black Streaks - erniecarpet@... - 07-22-2007 10:12
Ah- I see now. When you get a chance, between your waxings- mine is in kinda
need of~
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt
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Black Streaks - Leroy Eckert - 07-22-2007 12:13
I waited one year to post the results of my idea just to be certain it worked.
My coach lives outside in Florida. Although it resides 30 miles from the beach
things can get nasty. I concluded that steel self tapping screws used by BB in
the manufacture of the coach were the major problem. Even though the heads were
painted, over time the paint cracks at the base of the screw and allows water to
be introduced. If not addressed, bad things can occur resulting in streaks and
body deteriation.
I embarked upon a mission to replace all exterior screws with stainless sheet
metal screws. Most of the screws were #10 one inch long. I purchased them from
ACE.There were some that were 11/2" long screws and a few were 2". One at a time
I removed them, used clear silicone to seal the hole and installed the new
screws. I can say today that 90 percent of the streaking is gone.
I did not paint the heads of the screws, I left the detail similar to hardware
used by aircraft owners on cowling and inspection panels. My coach is Indian
Silver primary and Cumulous Grey secondary so it looks very nice. Others may
think differently.
I am considering replacing the pop rivets that surround the bay doors with
stainless hardware to include aircraft grade Tinnerman washers and countersunk
screws. Tinnerman washers allow for movement where pop rivets do not. At this
moment I do not have a problem in this area.
Just wanted to share this with the folks restoring their coaches. Stainless
fasteners are not much more expensive than other products.
I have used stainless screws on aircraft I have owned for 30 years without any
problem.
Just finished my custom installation of the PTMS from Stephen this weekend.
It was hot, really hot.
Regards;
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
Royale Conversion
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Black Streaks - Leroy Eckert - 07-22-2007 14:02
Ernie, I do not have diamond plate on the roof. I assume that is what you are
speaking of . True to form on my coach I have another type of aluminum rib plate
on the roof. It is about 1/2"x1/2" rib flat work, probably stamped or rolled
because it is to large to have been extruded. I do not have any leaks so I have
left it alone.
What I did was replace the screws(vertical attachments,side walls all around)
that attach awnings, trim pieces, door trim, anything I could find that was
attached by self drilling steel screws. That goes for light attachment screws,
chrome or anodized trim screws, and drip rail attachment screws. So far so good.
I now have to wax the coach twice a year now and the majority of black streaks
have gone South. Thank God.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
Royale Conversion
----- Original Message -----
From: erniecarpet@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Black Streaks
Leroy- were the new screws that you installed for the diamond plate?
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt
************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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Black Streaks - Leroy Eckert - 07-22-2007 14:42
Well, I can do it, but I don't wanna unless you buy the beer. It is to hot
now.lol. Serious, replace those screws with stainless, it will make your life
easier in the long term.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
Rolyale Conversion
----- Original Message -----
From: erniecarpet@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Black Streaks
Ah- I see now. When you get a chance, between your waxings- mine is in kinda
need of~
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt
************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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Black Streaks - bloomas - 07-22-2007 17:30
----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:13 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Black Streaks
Leroy I to replace all the screws in my bird with stainless
screws.
I have look at the pictures of Leroy birds boy how I love the look of all the
stainless .Good job Leroy.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
I waited one year to post the results of my idea just to be certain it worked.
My coach lives outside in Florida. Although it resides 30 miles from the beach
things can get nasty. I concluded that steel self tapping screws used by BB in
the manufacture of the coach were the major problem. Even though the heads were
painted, over time the paint cracks at the base of the screw and allows water to
be introduced. If not addressed, bad things can occur resulting in streaks and
body deteriation.
I embarked upon a mission to replace all exterior screws with stainless sheet
metal screws. Most of the screws were #10 one inch long. I purchased them from
ACE.There were some that were 11/2" long screws and a few were 2". One at a time
I removed them, used clear silicone to seal the hole and installed the new
screws. I can say today that 90 percent of the streaking is gone.
I did not paint the heads of the screws, I left the detail similar to hardware
used by aircraft owners on cowling and inspection panels. My coach is Indian
Silver primary and Cumulous Grey secondary so it looks very nice. Others may
think differently.
I am considering replacing the pop rivets that surround the bay doors with
stainless hardware to include aircraft grade Tinnerman washers and countersunk
screws. Tinnerman washers allow for movement where pop rivets do not. At this
moment I do not have a problem in this area.
Just wanted to share this with the folks restoring their coaches. Stainless
fasteners are not much more expensive than other products.
I have used stainless screws on aircraft I have owned for 30 years without any
problem.
Just finished my custom installation of the PTMS from Stephen this weekend.
It was hot, really hot.
Regards;
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
Royale Conversion
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Black Streaks - Leroy Eckert - 07-23-2007 08:41
Thank you. It was a job I will never do again.lol As for the screws, I expect
you saw quite a difference also.
Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
Royale Conversion
----- Original Message -----
From: bloomas
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Black Streaks
----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:13 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Black Streaks
Leroy I to replace all the screws in my bird with stainless
screws.
I have look at the pictures of Leroy birds boy how I love the look of all the
stainless .Good job Leroy.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
I waited one year to post the results of my idea just to be certain it worked.
My coach lives outside in Florida. Although it resides 30 miles from the beach
things can get nasty. I concluded that steel self tapping screws used by BB in
the manufacture of the coach were the major problem. Even though the heads were
painted, over time the paint cracks at the base of the screw and allows water to
be introduced. If not addressed, bad things can occur resulting in streaks and
body deteriation.
I embarked upon a mission to replace all exterior screws with stainless sheet
metal screws. Most of the screws were #10 one inch long. I purchased them from
ACE.There were some that were 11/2" long screws and a few were 2". One at a time
I removed them, used clear silicone to seal the hole and installed the new
screws. I can say today that 90 percent of the streaking is gone.
I did not paint the heads of the screws, I left the detail similar to hardware
used by aircraft owners on cowling and inspection panels. My coach is Indian
Silver primary and Cumulous Grey secondary so it looks very nice. Others may
think differently.
I am considering replacing the pop rivets that surround the bay doors with
stainless hardware to include aircraft grade Tinnerman washers and countersunk
screws. Tinnerman washers allow for movement where pop rivets do not. At this
moment I do not have a problem in this area.
Just wanted to share this with the folks restoring their coaches. Stainless
fasteners are not much more expensive than other products.
I have used stainless screws on aircraft I have owned for 30 years without any
problem.
Just finished my custom installation of the PTMS from Stephen this weekend.
It was hot, really hot.
Regards;
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
Royale Conversion
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Black Streaks - james sears - 07-23-2007 14:20
Stainless works fine for most exterior finishing but watch out when you use them
where stress or flexing comes into play. I used a high grade self tapping
stainless on my ladder and 3 out of 4 broke in one short trip around the block.
I was able to remove 2 of the screws with vise grips but the 3rd would NOT come
out. I bought special drill bits and nothing would touch it so i had to punch it
through from the outside and finished the job by installing bolts from the
inside and used a nice acorn nut on the outside. " Had to remove the shelf at
the window ledge from the inside" Anyway, the old 77 FC is looking better by
the bolt! jim
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Black Streaks - bloomas - 07-23-2007 14:54
----- Original Message -----
From: james sears
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:20 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Black Streaks
Hay James glad your bird is coming along.ok
Hold down the fort in Harahan La
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36 @ Grand Forks AFB
Stainless works fine for most exterior finishing but watch out when you use
them where stress or flexing comes into play. I used a high grade self tapping
stainless on my ladder and 3 out of 4 broke in one short trip around the block.
I was able to remove 2 of the screws with vise grips but the 3rd would NOT come
out. I bought special drill bits and nothing would touch it so I had to punch it
through from the outside and finished the job by installing bolts from the
inside and used a nice acorn nut on the outside. " Had to remove the shelf at
the window ledge from the inside" Anyway, the old 77 FC is looking better by the
bolt! jim
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