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House Batteries - mbrund - 09-23-2007 17:32 Well it's about that time to replace batteries. The RV has been over at the body shop waiting on parts from Blue Bird (seems they can't get parts shipped out of Blue Bird these days since the change over. Been waiting 4 weeks for a dang bumper that has been sitting on their shelf). In the mean time, since the body shop does not have a 50 AMP plug, my house batteries went to 0 volts. Well they where on their last leg anyway! So going to replace all 8 GEL CELLS with 8 new AGM batteries. I got a qoute for 8 new DEKA AGM @ $151 each plus taxes. Anyone have any good/bad experience with DEKA? I believe the ones I have now are MK (all though they have no name on them they look just like the MK with the same handle design). Michael Brundridge 1992 WB40 Georgetown, TX House Batteries - Mike Hohnstein - 09-24-2007 01:38 I been calling around, comparing to Lifeline AGM. People that know batteries say the Concord Lifeline is the real deal, but the 220 AH typical for RV use cost 290 bucks ea. The Deka is a 180 AH, but if you can get them for $150, I would be inclined to go there. Where you get that price??? Pass it on. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: mbrund To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 12:32 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] House Batteries Well it's about that time to replace batteries. The RV has been over at the body shop waiting on parts from Blue Bird (seems they can't get parts shipped out of Blue Bird these days since the change over. Been waiting 4 weeks for a dang bumper that has been sitting on their shelf). In the mean time, since the body shop does not have a 50 AMP plug, my house batteries went to 0 volts. Well they where on their last leg anyway! So going to replace all 8 GEL CELLS with 8 new AGM batteries. I got a qoute for 8 new DEKA AGM @ $151 each plus taxes. Anyone have any good/bad experience with DEKA? I believe the ones I have now are MK (all though they have no name on them they look just like the MK with the same handle design). Michael Brundridge 1992 WB40 Georgetown, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] House Batteries - Pete Masterson - 09-24-2007 05:48 Previous owner of my coach installed Deka AGMs (6 house model 4D, 3 engine (smaller) batteries). I still have the engine batteries -- they seem to be ok, but the house batteries were replaced since the Link 2000 R controller had been 'reset' sometime during the 6 months the coach sat in dealer's lots between the previous owner and myself. The batteries were being overcharged during that time and for several months after -- until I figured out what was going wrong. The overcharging seriously shorted the life of the batteries. I replaced my 6 house batteries with Fullriver 8A4D AGM, 216 AH -- at about $500 each. (These are big batteries -- about 150 lbs. each.) The one problem presented by the Fullriver batteries was that they were about 1/2 inch wider than the Dekas ... and I ended up having to modify the battery trays and mounting system to accommodate them. I would have gotten Deka batteries as a replacement, but I was unable to locate them in this area. What model Deka batteries are used in your coach? At $151, they sound like they're much smaller than the class 4D used in my coach. Pete Masterson '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 El Sobrante CA aeonix1@... On Sep 23, 2007, at 10:32 PM, mbrund wrote: > Well it's about that time to replace batteries. The RV has been over > at the body shop waiting on parts from Blue Bird (seems they can't get > parts shipped out of Blue Bird these days since the change over. Been > waiting 4 weeks for a dang bumper that has been sitting on their > shelf). In the mean time, since the body shop does not have a 50 AMP > plug, my house batteries went to 0 volts. Well they where on their > last leg anyway! > > So going to replace all 8 GEL CELLS with 8 new AGM batteries. I got a > qoute for 8 new DEKA AGM @ $151 each plus taxes. Anyone have any > good/bad experience with DEKA? > > I believe the ones I have now are MK (all though they have no name on > them they look just like the MK with the same handle design). > > Michael Brundridge > 1992 WB40 > Georgetown, TX > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] House Batteries - mbrund - 09-24-2007 06:06 Mike, The AH rating you are quouting would be for either 4D's or 8D's. The Lifeline 4D is rated at 210AH, the 8D is rated at 255AH. The 1992 WB40's use Group 31 batteries, at least mine does. So they are not the group size. If you found someplace that sells Lifeline 8D or even 4D AGM's for $290, I would buy everyone they had at that price, low advertised retail is around $450 on that battery. Also, anyone looking at purchasing batteries anytime soon. I would do it sooner than later, battery prices have had a huge increase over the last couple months and will probably continue to do so for the near future.... Michael Brundridge 92 WB40 Georgetown, TX --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote: > > I been calling around, comparing to Lifeline AGM. > People that know batteries say the Concord Lifeline is the real deal, but the 220 AH typical for RV use cost 290 bucks ea. The Deka is a 180 AH, but if you can get them for $150, I would be inclined to go there. Where you get that price??? > Pass it on. > MH > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mbrund > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 12:32 AM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] House Batteries > > > Well it's about that time to replace batteries. The RV has been over > at the body shop waiting on parts from Blue Bird (seems they can't get > parts shipped out of Blue Bird these days since the change over. Been > waiting 4 weeks for a dang bumper that has been sitting on their > shelf). In the mean time, since the body shop does not have a 50 AMP > plug, my house batteries went to 0 volts. Well they where on their > last leg anyway! > > So going to replace all 8 GEL CELLS with 8 new AGM batteries. I got a > qoute for 8 new DEKA AGM @ $151 each plus taxes. Anyone have any > good/bad experience with DEKA? > > I believe the ones I have now are MK (all though they have no name on > them they look just like the MK with the same handle design). > > Michael Brundridge > 1992 WB40 > Georgetown, TX > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > House Batteries - Don Bradner - 09-24-2007 06:14 Lifeline 6 volt AGMs are 220AH. I don't think the original poster ever said what batteries, so lots of assumptions. Don Bradner 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" Posting today by Satellite from Golden, Colorado On 9/24/2007 at 6:06 PM mbrund wrote: >Mike, > >The AH rating you are quouting would be for either 4D's or 8D's. The >Lifeline 4D is rated at 210AH, the 8D is rated at 255AH. The 1992 >WB40's use Group 31 batteries, at least mine does. So they are not >the group size. > >If you found someplace that sells Lifeline 8D or even 4D AGM's for >$290, I would buy everyone they had at that price, low advertised >retail is around $450 on that battery. > >Also, anyone looking at purchasing batteries anytime soon. I would >do it sooner than later, battery prices have had a huge increase over >the last couple months and will probably continue to do so for the >near future.... > >Michael Brundridge >92 WB40 >Georgetown, TX > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein" ><MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote: >> >> I been calling around, comparing to Lifeline AGM. >> People that know batteries say the Concord Lifeline is the real >deal, but the 220 AH typical for RV use cost 290 bucks ea. The Deka >is a 180 AH, but if you can get them for $150, I would be inclined to >go there. Where you get that price??? >> Pass it on. >> MH >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: mbrund >> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 12:32 AM >> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] House Batteries >> >> >> Well it's about that time to replace batteries. The RV has been >over >> at the body shop waiting on parts from Blue Bird (seems they >can't get >> parts shipped out of Blue Bird these days since the change over. >Been >> waiting 4 weeks for a dang bumper that has been sitting on their >> shelf). In the mean time, since the body shop does not have a 50 >AMP >> plug, my house batteries went to 0 volts. Well they where on >their >> last leg anyway! >> >> So going to replace all 8 GEL CELLS with 8 new AGM batteries. I >got a >> qoute for 8 new DEKA AGM @ $151 each plus taxes. Anyone have any >> good/bad experience with DEKA? >> >> I believe the ones I have now are MK (all though they have no >name on >> them they look just like the MK with the same handle design). >> >> Michael Brundridge >> 1992 WB40 >> Georgetown, TX >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > House Batteries - mbrund - 09-24-2007 06:17 My coach came with 31DT's from the factory. So the pricing is for the MK/DEKA 8A31DT (AGM) $172, or 8G31DT (GEL) $151. I have a total of 8 for a battery bank of 780 AH (GEL) currently. If I switched to AGM it would increase to 832 AH. I have a regular RV based fridge and don't dry camp so the GEL battery bank is plenty large enough with out the added 51AH I would get from AGM. I prefer the add life that you get from GEL over AGM. Like you said, the death of most GEL's comes from incorrect charging routines. So to make sure that I don't incorrectly charge the batteries, I am looking at either getting a Charles or Balmar 3 stage alternator regulator as to not incorrectly charge the batteries while the engine is running. I already have plans to replace the IOTA Converters and old Heart Inverter with a newer Xantrex Inveter/Charger combo. Michael Brundridge 92 WB40 Georgetown, TX --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson wrote: > > Previous owner of my coach installed Deka AGMs (6 house model 4D, 3 > engine (smaller) batteries). I still have the engine batteries -- > they seem to be ok, but the house batteries were replaced since the > Link 2000 R controller had been 'reset' sometime during the 6 months > the coach sat in dealer's lots between the previous owner and myself. > The batteries were being overcharged during that time and for several > months after -- until I figured out what was going wrong. The > overcharging seriously shorted the life of the batteries. > > I replaced my 6 house batteries with Fullriver 8A4D AGM, 216 AH -- at > about $500 each. (These are big batteries -- about 150 lbs. each.) > The one problem presented by the Fullriver batteries was that they > were about 1/2 inch wider than the Dekas ... and I ended up having > to modify the battery trays and mounting system to accommodate them. > > I would have gotten Deka batteries as a replacement, but I was unable > to locate them in this area. > > What model Deka batteries are used in your coach? At $151, they sound > like they're much smaller than the class 4D used in my coach. > > Pete Masterson > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 > El Sobrante CA > aeonix1@... > > > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 10:32 PM, mbrund wrote: > > > Well it's about that time to replace batteries. The RV has been over > > at the body shop waiting on parts from Blue Bird (seems they can't get > > parts shipped out of Blue Bird these days since the change over. Been > > waiting 4 weeks for a dang bumper that has been sitting on their > > shelf). In the mean time, since the body shop does not have a 50 AMP > > plug, my house batteries went to 0 volts. Well they where on their > > last leg anyway! > > > > So going to replace all 8 GEL CELLS with 8 new AGM batteries. I got a > > qoute for 8 new DEKA AGM @ $151 each plus taxes. Anyone have any > > good/bad experience with DEKA? > > > > I believe the ones I have now are MK (all though they have no name on > > them they look just like the MK with the same handle design). > > > > Michael Brundridge > > 1992 WB40 > > Georgetown, TX > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > House Batteries - mbrund - 09-24-2007 06:42 Don, You are correct, there are too many battery possibilites and assumptions (4D, 8D, 27D, 31D, 31DT, 4C, etc.) My info is all based on MK/DEKA 8x31DT BCI group size. cheers, Michael Brundridge 92 WB40 Georgetown, TX --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner" > > Lifeline 6 volt AGMs are 220AH. I don't think the original poster ever said what batteries, so lots of assumptions. > > Don Bradner > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" > Posting today by Satellite from Golden, Colorado > > On 9/24/2007 at 6:06 PM mbrund wrote: > > >Mike, > > > >The AH rating you are quouting would be for either 4D's or 8D's. The > >Lifeline 4D is rated at 210AH, the 8D is rated at 255AH. The 1992 > >WB40's use Group 31 batteries, at least mine does. So they are not > >the group size. > > > >If you found someplace that sells Lifeline 8D or even 4D AGM's for > >$290, I would buy everyone they had at that price, low advertised > >retail is around $450 on that battery. > > > >Also, anyone looking at purchasing batteries anytime soon. I would > >do it sooner than later, battery prices have had a huge increase over > >the last couple months and will probably continue to do so for the > >near future.... > > > >Michael Brundridge > >92 WB40 > >Georgetown, TX > > > > > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein" > ><MHOHNSTEIN@> wrote: > >> > >> I been calling around, comparing to Lifeline AGM. > >> People that know batteries say the Concord Lifeline is the real > >deal, but the 220 AH typical for RV use cost 290 bucks ea. The Deka > >is a 180 AH, but if you can get them for $150, I would be inclined to > >go there. Where you get that price??? > >> Pass it on. > >> MH > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: mbrund > >> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 12:32 AM > >> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] House Batteries > >> > >> > >> Well it's about that time to replace batteries. The RV has been > >over > >> at the body shop waiting on parts from Blue Bird (seems they > >can't get > >> parts shipped out of Blue Bird these days since the change over. > >Been > >> waiting 4 weeks for a dang bumper that has been sitting on their > >> shelf). In the mean time, since the body shop does not have a 50 > >AMP > >> plug, my house batteries went to 0 volts. Well they where on > >their > >> last leg anyway! > >> > >> So going to replace all 8 GEL CELLS with 8 new AGM batteries. I > >got a > >> qoute for 8 new DEKA AGM @ $151 each plus taxes. Anyone have any > >> good/bad experience with DEKA? > >> > >> I believe the ones I have now are MK (all though they have no > >name on > >> them they look just like the MK with the same handle design). > >> > >> Michael Brundridge > >> 1992 WB40 > >> Georgetown, TX > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > House Batteries - mbrund - 09-24-2007 06:44 Correction, I flipped the prices in the response below. The prices I got where; GEL (8G31DT) = $172, AGM (8ADT31) = $151 Sorry about that... --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbrund" <mbrund@...> wrote: > > My coach came with 31DT's from the factory. So the pricing is for > the MK/DEKA 8A31DT (AGM) $172, or 8G31DT (GEL) $151. I have a total > of 8 for a battery bank of 780 AH (GEL) currently. If I switched to > AGM it would increase to 832 AH. I have a regular RV based fridge > and don't dry camp so the GEL battery bank is plenty large enough > with out the added 51AH I would get from AGM. > > I prefer the add life that you get from GEL over AGM. Like you said, > the death of most GEL's comes from incorrect charging routines. So to > make sure that I don't incorrectly charge the batteries, I am looking > at either getting a Charles or Balmar 3 stage alternator regulator as > to not incorrectly charge the batteries while the engine is running. > I already have plans to replace the IOTA Converters and old Heart > Inverter with a newer Xantrex Inveter/Charger combo. > > Michael Brundridge > 92 WB40 > Georgetown, TX > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson > wrote: > > > > Previous owner of my coach installed Deka AGMs (6 house model 4D, > 3 > > engine (smaller) batteries). I still have the engine batteries -- > > they seem to be ok, but the house batteries were replaced since > the > > Link 2000 R controller had been 'reset' sometime during the 6 > months > > the coach sat in dealer's lots between the previous owner and > myself. > > The batteries were being overcharged during that time and for > several > > months after -- until I figured out what was going wrong. The > > overcharging seriously shorted the life of the batteries. > > > > I replaced my 6 house batteries with Fullriver 8A4D AGM, 216 AH -- > at > > about $500 each. (These are big batteries -- about 150 lbs. each.) > > The one problem presented by the Fullriver batteries was that they > > were about 1/2 inch wider than the Dekas ... and I ended up having > > to modify the battery trays and mounting system to accommodate > them. > > > > I would have gotten Deka batteries as a replacement, but I was > unable > > to locate them in this area. > > > > What model Deka batteries are used in your coach? At $151, they > sound > > like they're much smaller than the class 4D used in my coach. > > > > Pete Masterson > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 > > El Sobrante CA > > aeonix1@ > > > > > > > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 10:32 PM, mbrund wrote: > > > > > Well it's about that time to replace batteries. The RV has been > over > > > at the body shop waiting on parts from Blue Bird (seems they > can't get > > > parts shipped out of Blue Bird these days since the change over. > Been > > > waiting 4 weeks for a dang bumper that has been sitting on their > > > shelf). In the mean time, since the body shop does not have a 50 > AMP > > > plug, my house batteries went to 0 volts. Well they where on > their > > > last leg anyway! > > > > > > So going to replace all 8 GEL CELLS with 8 new AGM batteries. I > got a > > > qoute for 8 new DEKA AGM @ $151 each plus taxes. Anyone have any > > > good/bad experience with DEKA? > > > > > > I believe the ones I have now are MK (all though they have no > name on > > > them they look just like the MK with the same handle design). > > > > > > Michael Brundridge > > > 1992 WB40 > > > Georgetown, TX > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > House Batteries - Mike Hohnstein - 09-24-2007 07:09 I'm a little foggy on battery lingo, told the Lifeline warehouse in Chicago area (Aurora) that I was looking for size parity with T 105s, he quoted the numbers I posted, 220 AH @ $290 ea. I verified that is correct information, and 4D size wasn't discussed. The unanswered question is where did you get the 150 dollar price on the Dekas? If the price is on group 31 12v, never mind. My applications require T 105, golf cart batteries. Chicago Deka warehouse quoted, 4D @ 198AH $354. Waiting to hear what they will do T105s for. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: mbrund To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: House Batteries Mike, The AH rating you are quouting would be for either 4D's or 8D's. The Lifeline 4D is rated at 210AH, the 8D is rated at 255AH. The 1992 WB40's use Group 31 batteries, at least mine does. So they are not the group size. If you found someplace that sells Lifeline 8D or even 4D AGM's for $290, I would buy everyone they had at that price, low advertised retail is around $450 on that battery. Also, anyone looking at purchasing batteries anytime soon. I would do it sooner than later, battery prices have had a huge increase over the last couple months and will probably continue to do so for the near future.... Michael Brundridge 92 WB40 Georgetown, TX --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote: > > I been calling around, comparing to Lifeline AGM. > People that know batteries say the Concord Lifeline is the real deal, but the 220 AH typical for RV use cost 290 bucks ea. The Deka is a 180 AH, but if you can get them for $150, I would be inclined to go there. Where you get that price??? > Pass it on. > MH > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mbrund > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 12:32 AM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] House Batteries > > > Well it's about that time to replace batteries. The RV has been over > at the body shop waiting on parts from Blue Bird (seems they can't get > parts shipped out of Blue Bird these days since the change over. Been > waiting 4 weeks for a dang bumper that has been sitting on their > shelf). In the mean time, since the body shop does not have a 50 AMP > plug, my house batteries went to 0 volts. Well they where on their > last leg anyway! > > So going to replace all 8 GEL CELLS with 8 new AGM batteries. I got a > qoute for 8 new DEKA AGM @ $151 each plus taxes. Anyone have any > good/bad experience with DEKA? > > I believe the ones I have now are MK (all though they have no name on > them they look just like the MK with the same handle design). > > Michael Brundridge > 1992 WB40 > Georgetown, TX > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] House Batteries - Don Bradner - 09-24-2007 07:32 I know that battery prices have been increasing, but for reference I purchased 6 Lifeline 6-volt Golf Cart 220AH batteries on January 12th of this year, and the bill was $1298.57 which I think included something like 9.25% tax. Purchased in Quartzsite from Solar Bill's. Don Bradner 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" Posting today by Satellite from Golden, Colorado On 9/24/2007 at 2:09 PM Mike Hohnstein wrote: >I'm a little foggy on battery lingo, told the Lifeline warehouse in >Chicago area (Aurora) that I was looking for size parity with T 105s, he >quoted the numbers I posted, 220 AH @ $290 ea. I verified that is correct >information, and 4D size wasn't discussed. The unanswered question is >where did you get the 150 dollar price on the Dekas? If the price is on >group 31 12v, never mind. My applications require T 105, golf cart >batteries. Chicago Deka warehouse quoted, 4D @ 198AH $354. Waiting to >hear what they will do T105s for. >MH |