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Problems with air dumping - Bob Lawrence - 10-17-2007 04:54
Just an update here in Yakima, Washington.
I have had problems dumping the tag and main suspension dump valves.
Others on this site have had this problem and nobody has a solution yet.
Emailed Ralph and he had me look behind the front frame rail straight
up. There is a manifold there with lines going to the various air bags
and, I'm assuming, the suspension dump buzzer switch.
My problem is, no air is getting up to the switches to tell the bags to
dump.
At present I am here in Yakima at a place (5th Wheel Truck) that has
worked on other birds. They tried to get an air schmatic faxed from
Bluebird to give them some direction...people don't get back to them.
Pat here is very knowledgeable on this stuff and I hope the problem
gets resolved quickly as we have to get back to Lakewood for the wife's
last week of working for the state before we take off fulltiming next
week.
Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Taco ma, Wa. (where the illegals roam)
Problems with air dumping - smquandt - 10-17-2007 07:28
Bob,
Just sent you a very large PDF with drawings from my 1993 to see if it will
help. Let me know if they don't make it.
Steve Quandt
Iron Mountain, MI
1993 PT-40
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From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:54 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Problems with air dumping
Just an update here in Yakima, Washington.
I have had problems dumping the tag and main suspension dump valves.
Others on this site have had this problem and nobody has a solution yet.
Emailed Ralph and he had me look behind the front frame rail straight
up. There is a manifold there with lines going to the various air bags
and, I'm assuming, the suspension dump buzzer switch.
My problem is, no air is getting up to the switches to tell the bags to
dump.
At present I am here in Yakima at a place (5th Wheel Truck) that has
worked on other birds. They tried to get an air schmatic faxed from
Bluebird to give them some direction...people don't get back to them.
Pat here is very knowledgeable on this stuff and I hope the problem
gets resolved quickly as we have to get back to Lakewood for the wife's
last week of working for the state before we take off fulltiming next
week.
Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Taco ma, Wa. (where the illegals roam)
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Problems with air dumping - Bob Lawrence - 10-17-2007 11:57
First want to thank Steve and Ralph who send me files of the various
air systems....thanks again, guys..will print them off for others we
meet on our travels that might have similar problems.
I found the solution to my problem.
Turns out the air switches are/were the problem. Pulled them out and
found that these valves have many mini o rings. Seems they fall apart
with age and the small pieces jam the air holes.
Replaced them with new and bigger air switches...problem solved.
Bus now dumps quicker and fills quicker as went to 1/4 in size
openings.
Thanks again to Steve and Ralph.
I know several have mentioned they have this occasional problem and I
think this is the reason.
Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Tacoma, Wa.
> Just an update here in Yakima, Washington.
> I have had problems dumping the tag and main suspension dump valves.
> Others on this site have had this problem and nobody has a solution
yet.
>
> Emailed Ralph and he had me look behind the front frame rail
straight
> up. There is a manifold there with lines going to the various air
bags
> and, I'm assuming, the suspension dump buzzer switch.
>
> My problem is, no air is getting up to the switches to tell the
bags to dump.
>
> At present I am here in Yakima at a place (5th Wheel Truck) that
has
> worked on other birds. They tried to get an air schmatic faxed from
> Bluebird to give them some direction...people don't get back to
them.
>
> Bob Lawrence
> 84 PT36
> Tacoma, Wa.
Problems with air dumping - ragster_ga - 10-19-2007 04:12
Bob,
Can you provide the part number of the valve(s) you used to replace
the orginal equipment? I also have a randomly sticking dump valve.
Thanks,
Glenn Allen
1986 PT-40
Marietta, GA
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence"
>
> First want to thank Steve and Ralph who send me files of the
various
> air systems....thanks again, guys..will print them off for others
we
> meet on our travels that might have similar problems.
>
> I found the solution to my problem.
> Turns out the air switches are/were the problem. Pulled them out
and
> found that these valves have many mini o rings. Seems they fall
apart
> with age and the small pieces jam the air holes.
> Replaced them with new and bigger air switches...problem solved.
> Bus now dumps quicker and fills quicker as went to 1/4 in size
> openings.
>
> Thanks again to Steve and Ralph.
>
> I know several have mentioned they have this occasional problem and
I
> think this is the reason.
>
> Bob Lawrence
> 84 PT36
> Tacoma, Wa.
>
> > Just an update here in Yakima, Washington.
> > I have had problems dumping the tag and main suspension dump
valves.
> > Others on this site have had this problem and nobody has a
solution
> yet.
> >
> > Emailed Ralph and he had me look behind the front frame rail
> straight
> > up. There is a manifold there with lines going to the various air
> bags
> > and, I'm assuming, the suspension dump buzzer switch.
> >
> > My problem is, no air is getting up to the switches to tell the
> bags to dump.
> >
> > At present I am here in Yakima at a place (5th Wheel Truck) that
> has
> > worked on other birds. They tried to get an air schmatic faxed
from
> > Bluebird to give them some direction...people don't get back to
> them.
> >
> > Bob Lawrence
> > 84 PT36
> > Tacoma, Wa.
>
Problems with air dumping - Howard O. Truitt - 10-19-2007 06:39
Glenn,
Check with Stephen Birtles he now produces the Dupree line of dump valves.
Stephen said he would have a booth at the RIV and RATS rallies and would have
parts for repairs. I found that using mine regularly has helped with it
sticking.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40
----- Original Message -----
From: ragster_ga
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:12 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Problems with air dumping
Bob,
Can you provide the part number of the valve(s) you used to replace
the orginal equipment? I also have a randomly sticking dump valve.
Thanks,
Glenn Allen
1986 PT-40
Marietta, GA
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence"
>
> First want to thank Steve and Ralph who send me files of the
various
> air systems....thanks again, guys..will print them off for others
we
> meet on our travels that might have similar problems.
>
> I found the solution to my problem.
> Turns out the air switches are/were the problem. Pulled them out
and
> found that these valves have many mini o rings. Seems they fall
apart
> with age and the small pieces jam the air holes.
> Replaced them with new and bigger air switches...problem solved.
> Bus now dumps quicker and fills quicker as went to 1/4 in size
> openings.
>
> Thanks again to Steve and Ralph.
>
> I know several have mentioned they have this occasional problem and
I
> think this is the reason.
>
> Bob Lawrence
> 84 PT36
> Tacoma, Wa.
>
> > Just an update here in Yakima, Washington.
> > I have had problems dumping the tag and main suspension dump
valves.
> > Others on this site have had this problem and nobody has a
solution
> yet.
> >
> > Emailed Ralph and he had me look behind the front frame rail
> straight
> > up. There is a manifold there with lines going to the various air
> bags
> > and, I'm assuming, the suspension dump buzzer switch.
> >
> > My problem is, no air is getting up to the switches to tell the
> bags to dump.
> >
> > At present I am here in Yakima at a place (5th Wheel Truck) that
> has
> > worked on other birds. They tried to get an air schmatic faxed
from
> > Bluebird to give them some direction...people don't get back to
> them.
> >
> > Bob Lawrence
> > 84 PT36
> > Tacoma, Wa.
>
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Problems with air dumping - Bob Lawrence - 10-19-2007 15:37
Hi Glenn,
Sorry, on the bill, no part no. was put, but if you call Pat at 5th
Wheel Truck Repair 509-248-3070 I'm sure he can tell you.
He just said this was a regular air dump switch used on all current
trucks.
Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Tacoma, Wa.
> Bob,
>
> Can you provide the part number of the valve(s) you used to replace
> the orginal equipment? I also have a randomly sticking dump valve.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glenn Allen
> 1986 PT-40
> Marietta, GA
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence"
>
> >
> > First want to thank Steve and Ralph who send me files of the
> various
> > air systems....thanks again, guys..will print them off for others
> we
> > meet on our travels that might have similar problems.
> >
> > I found the solution to my problem.
> > Turns out the air switches are/were the problem. Pulled them out
> and
> > found that these valves have many mini o rings. Seems they fall
> apart
> > with age and the small pieces jam the air holes.
> > Replaced them with new and bigger air switches...problem solved.
> > Bus now dumps quicker and fills quicker as went to 1/4 in size
> > openings.
> >
> > Thanks again to Steve and Ralph.
> >
> > I know several have mentioned they have this occasional problem
and
> I
> > think this is the reason.
> >
> > Bob Lawrence
> > 84 PT36
> > Tacoma, Wa.
> >
> > > Just an update here in Yakima, Washington.
> > > I have had problems dumping the tag and main suspension dump
> valves.
> > > Others on this site have had this problem and nobody has a
> solution
> > yet.
> > >
> > > Emailed Ralph and he had me look behind the front frame rail
> > straight
> > > up. There is a manifold there with lines going to the various
air
> > bags
> > > and, I'm assuming, the suspension dump buzzer switch.
> > >
> > > My problem is, no air is getting up to the switches to tell the
> > bags to dump.
> > >
> > > At present I am here in Yakima at a place (5th Wheel Truck)
that
> > has
> > > worked on other birds. They tried to get an air schmatic faxed
> from
> > > Bluebird to give them some direction...people don't get back to
> > them.
> > >
> > > Bob Lawrence
> > > 84 PT36
> > > Tacoma, Wa.
> >
>
Problems with air dumping - ragster_ga - 10-19-2007 17:05
Howard,
I must be out of sync. I thought Bob was talking about the
suspension dump valves.
I recently replaced by Holding Tanks Dump valves with new ones from
Steve and they work great.
Thanks,
Glenn
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Howard O. Truitt"
>
> Glenn,
> Check with Stephen Birtles he now produces the Dupree line of dump
valves. Stephen said he would have a booth at the RIV and RATS
rallies and would have parts for repairs. I found that using mine
regularly has helped with it sticking.
> Howard Truitt
> Camilla, Ga.
> 86 PT40
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ragster_ga
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:12 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Problems with air dumping
>
>
> Bob,
>
> Can you provide the part number of the valve(s) you used to
replace
> the orginal equipment? I also have a randomly sticking dump valve.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glenn Allen
> 1986 PT-40
> Marietta, GA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence"
>
> >
> > First want to thank Steve and Ralph who send me files of the
> various
> > air systems....thanks again, guys..will print them off for
others
> we
> > meet on our travels that might have similar problems.
> >
> > I found the solution to my problem.
> > Turns out the air switches are/were the problem. Pulled them
out
> and
> > found that these valves have many mini o rings. Seems they fall
> apart
> > with age and the small pieces jam the air holes.
> > Replaced them with new and bigger air switches...problem solved.
> > Bus now dumps quicker and fills quicker as went to 1/4 in size
> > openings.
> >
> > Thanks again to Steve and Ralph.
> >
> > I know several have mentioned they have this occasional problem
and
> I
> > think this is the reason.
> >
> > Bob Lawrence
> > 84 PT36
> > Tacoma, Wa.
> >
Problems with air dumping - Howard O. Truitt - 10-20-2007 02:12
Glenn,
I think you could be right. When I read dump valves I automaticly thought of
holding tanks. Don't suppose Stephen has air dump valves also?
Howard T.
----- Original Message -----
From: ragster_ga
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:05 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Problems with air dumping
Howard,
I must be out of sync. I thought Bob was talking about the
suspension dump valves.
I recently replaced by Holding Tanks Dump valves with new ones from
Steve and they work great.
Thanks,
Glenn
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Howard O. Truitt"
>
> Glenn,
> Check with Stephen Birtles he now produces the Dupree line of dump
valves. Stephen said he would have a booth at the RIV and RATS
rallies and would have parts for repairs. I found that using mine
regularly has helped with it sticking.
> Howard Truitt
> Camilla, Ga.
> 86 PT40
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ragster_ga
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:12 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Problems with air dumping
>
>
> Bob,
>
> Can you provide the part number of the valve(s) you used to
replace
> the orginal equipment? I also have a randomly sticking dump valve.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glenn Allen
> 1986 PT-40
> Marietta, GA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence"
>
> >
> > First want to thank Steve and Ralph who send me files of the
> various
> > air systems....thanks again, guys..will print them off for
others
> we
> > meet on our travels that might have similar problems.
> >
> > I found the solution to my problem.
> > Turns out the air switches are/were the problem. Pulled them
out
> and
> > found that these valves have many mini o rings. Seems they fall
> apart
> > with age and the small pieces jam the air holes.
> > Replaced them with new and bigger air switches...problem solved.
> > Bus now dumps quicker and fills quicker as went to 1/4 in size
> > openings.
> >
> > Thanks again to Steve and Ralph.
> >
> > I know several have mentioned they have this occasional problem
and
> I
> > think this is the reason.
> >
> > Bob Lawrence
> > 84 PT36
> > Tacoma, Wa.
> >
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Problems with air dumping - Rob Robinson - 10-20-2007 02:24
I believe Stephen has all the parts for the dump valves both air and manual.
That would include everything from replacement valve paddles to handles,
valve bodies as well as air cylinders.
On 20/10/2007, Howard O. Truitt
>
> Glenn,
> I think you could be right. When I read dump valves I automaticly thought
> of holding tanks. Don't suppose Stephen has air dump valves also?
> Howard T.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ragster_ga
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:05 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Problems with air dumping
>
> Howard,
>
> I must be out of sync. I thought Bob was talking about the
> suspension dump valves.
>
> I recently replaced by Holding Tanks Dump valves with new ones from
> Steve and they work great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glenn
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> "Howard O. Truitt"
>
> >
> > Glenn,
> > Check with Stephen Birtles he now produces the Dupree line of dump
> valves. Stephen said he would have a booth at the RIV and RATS
> rallies and would have parts for repairs. I found that using mine
> regularly has helped with it sticking.
> > Howard Truitt
> > Camilla, Ga.
> > 86 PT40
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ragster_ga
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:12 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Problems with air dumping
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > Can you provide the part number of the valve(s) you used to
> replace
> > the orginal equipment? I also have a randomly sticking dump valve.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Glenn Allen
> > 1986 PT-40
> > Marietta, GA
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> "Bob Lawrence"
> >
> > >
> > > First want to thank Steve and Ralph who send me files of the
> > various
> > > air systems....thanks again, guys..will print them off for
> others
> > we
> > > meet on our travels that might have similar problems.
> > >
> > > I found the solution to my problem.
> > > Turns out the air switches are/were the problem. Pulled them
> out
> > and
> > > found that these valves have many mini o rings. Seems they fall
> > apart
> > > with age and the small pieces jam the air holes.
> > > Replaced them with new and bigger air switches...problem solved.
> > > Bus now dumps quicker and fills quicker as went to 1/4 in size
> > > openings.
> > >
> > > Thanks again to Steve and Ralph.
> > >
> > > I know several have mentioned they have this occasional problem
> and
> > I
> > > think this is the reason.
> > >
> > > Bob Lawrence
> > > 84 PT36
> > > Tacoma, Wa.
> > >
>
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Problems with air dumping - Gregory OConnor - 10-20-2007 05:15
Rob, Dupree dump valves are good for crap'.
they are talking about dump valves for air bags and I believe it is
a sticking 'regulator isolation valve' that limits auxillary air use
during low system pressure that is the problem.
Gregory O'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
>
> I believe Stephen has all the parts for the dump valves both air
and manual.
> That would include everything from replacement valve paddles to
handles,
> valve bodies as well as air cylinders.
>
> On 20/10/2007, Howard O. Truitt
> >
> > Glenn,
> > I think you could be right. When I read dump valves I automaticly
thought
> > of holding tanks. Don't suppose Stephen has air dump valves also?
> > Howard T.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ragster_ga
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:05 AM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Problems with air dumping
> >
> > Howard,
> >
> > I must be out of sync. I thought Bob was talking about the
> > suspension dump valves.
> >
> > I recently replaced by Holding Tanks Dump valves with new ones
from
> > Steve and they work great.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > "Howard O. Truitt"
> >
> > >
> > > Glenn,
> > > Check with Stephen Birtles he now produces the Dupree line of
dump
> > valves. Stephen said he would have a booth at the RIV and RATS
> > rallies and would have parts for repairs. I found that using mine
> > regularly has helped with it sticking.
> > > Howard Truitt
> > > Camilla, Ga.
> > > 86 PT40
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: ragster_ga
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:12 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Problems with air dumping
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > Can you provide the part number of the valve(s) you used to
> > replace
> > > the orginal equipment? I also have a randomly sticking dump
valve.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Glenn Allen
> > > 1986 PT-40
> > > Marietta, GA
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > "Bob Lawrence"
> > >
> > > >
> > > > First want to thank Steve and Ralph who send me files of the
> > > various
> > > > air systems....thanks again, guys..will print them off for
> > others
> > > we
> > > > meet on our travels that might have similar problems.
> > > >
> > > > I found the solution to my problem.
> > > > Turns out the air switches are/were the problem. Pulled them
> > out
> > > and
> > > > found that these valves have many mini o rings. Seems they
fall
> > > apart
> > > > with age and the small pieces jam the air holes.
> > > > Replaced them with new and bigger air switches...problem
solved.
> > > > Bus now dumps quicker and fills quicker as went to 1/4 in size
> > > > openings.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again to Steve and Ralph.
> > > >
> > > > I know several have mentioned they have this occasional
problem
> > and
> > > I
> > > > think this is the reason.
> > > >
> > > > Bob Lawrence
> > > > 84 PT36
> > > > Tacoma, Wa.
> > > >
> >
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> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
>
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