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Pressure Protection Valve - msksann - 03-03-2008 05:28 Last week I took my Bird on a short 2-day shakedown run just 50 miles outside of San Diego, far enough to reach operating temps. On arrival at the campground, I heard a slight air leak, and crawling between the Tag Axle and the Drive Axle, I found a device leaking air out of a seal clamped down by 4 screws. The Pressure Protection Valve looks, to me, like a small regulator similar to a propane regulator. Midland part #N15759C (N157590) BB part #0522508. This has been replaced by the Haldex KN31000, available at napa for aprox $38. Or online for less: http://tinyurl.com/24ngm4 http://tinyurl.com/2zs6qn Tightening the 4 screws about 1/8 of a turn stopped the leak, and after crawling out from between the Axles, I fired up and waited until the air drier purged at 120 psi, shut down, and crawled back under to re-check the leak and surrounding area with soapy water, and then with my ultrasonic leak detector. All good. Crawling back out, my girlfriend, whose hearing is clearly better than mine is, told me she still heard a hissing. Back underneath, everything still checked out okay, but I did hear a leak further forward, so lying on my back, I managed to pull my skinny body under the Drive Axle into into the next forward compartment. This is the tightest, and scariest, place I have contorted myself into yet! Sure enough, next to the air drier, and loomed into a complex series of connectors, adapters, and other unknown devices, was another Pressure Protection Valve, leaking thru the seal just like the other PPV. Even I could not fit into this area, right side (curb side of the air drier), but with the rear end yoke pressing against my chest, and my left cheek (facial) resting against the drier, looking out of the corner of my eye, I could just touch the PPV with my fingertips. Okay, with much verbal lubrication, I managed to tighten these screws as I did the other. Getting myself out of that chamber as fast as I could, I re-pressurized the air system until purge again, but this time, the air leak was even worse, and leaking out of a small breather hole in the cap. Research time. The PPV, with one inlet, 1 outlet, and 2 accessory connections, is commonly used to isolate leaking air accessories from the air system. Used as it is between the air tank, and the Ridewell air spring suspension, only the inlet and outlet is used, with the accessory ports plugged. I believe(?) this is what keeps the Ridwell air spring suspension (airbags) from inflating until 65psi is reached, and closes off if air pressure drops to 45psi. Back underneath, I managed to remove the 4 screws, revealing a flat diaphragm, which clamped between the two halves served as the seal, and a spring with a tiny metal cap on the end to protect the diaphragm. Examination showed the diaphragm was stiff with cracks throughout. Toadless, I had no problem having NAPA deliver one to me at the campground, but being that there was no way I could remove and replace the whole unit in it's location, it seemed "easy" enough to just harvest the diaphragm out of a replacement, and rebuild the original. Well, the newer replacement is designed slightly different, with a smaller diaphragm counterset in the center, instead of clamped Hmmm, the diaphragm material is .05 inches thick, and I have seen this material before used in a Par Water Pump rebuild kit I had on a sailboat, but is this material good to be used with air and oil? Best research I could do shows that it is (??) A call to a friend, confirmed the same .05" thickness, and he delivered one out to me. With twisted spine, more verbal lube, much complaining, (and a bit of claustrophobia), I replaced the seal/ diaphragm, and it is working properly. I suspect all of the material in these valves are getting hard and forming cracks, and I plan on replacing them all with new Haldex PPV's at first opportunity. The Tag Axle PPV can be done with a little effort, and I will also have a shop replace the Drive and Front Axle Suspension one that I rebuilt, (to alleviate lingering worry about the material replacement). On the air system diagram in my blue box owners manual, (Figure 10-13. Air System Sheet 1), they are listed as part #2. I would be interested in any feedback the many, more experienced owners on the forum might have regarding failure. Am I am correct in the full purpose of there valves as used in the Ridewell air spring system? Thanks in advance! Michael Kramer 86 PT-40 8V92 San Diego, CA Pressure Protection Valve - Curt Sprenger - 03-03-2008 05:56 Michael, I enjoyed reading you post. I believe you are correct in the use of those valves. That has been my experience with our '87PT. Early on in ownership I found a couple valves were leaking, tightened the screws, and all has been good for about 3 years. I'd replace the valve that you had apart. The others I would leave until it's time to replace them. Leaving things alone that are not failing is a good thing. Otherwise problems can be introduced, such as line and line-nut failures, etc. Please keep us posted. On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 9:28 AM, msksann <"msksan@gmail.com"> wrote:
-- Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing" Anaheim Hills, CA Pressure Protection Valve - Gregory OConnor - 03-03-2008 17:44 Michael, thanks for the info on the pressure protection valve. I guess the airstep has one to?? I never have the guts to crawl under my bus without blocking the frame up. Even with the jacks down I always fear opening a line that will let the pressure off the jacks or drop the bags. I thought about making clamps for the HWH jack stroke to lock them from retracting. Like a two half piece steel sleve that wrapps around the chrome section of the ram and locks in a nest on the foot pad???? Anyway, give her my number, I'm in the market for an 8V classic widebody to cut a slide in. GregoryO'Connor 94ptRomoland 70 miles N of SanDiego Pressure Protection Valve - msksann - 03-05-2008 03:28 Hi Gregory: So far, I am aware of only three Pressure Protection Valves. One for the Tag Axle suspension, one for the main suspension, and the one Ryan mentioned at the bulk oil fill. I have not found one, yet, at the airstep, and I do not see another in my air system diagram. Perhaps others can add to this list. I would like to keep an eye, (and ear), on them. Curt gave me good advice; I will have a shop replace the Valve I had apart, but hold off on replacing the tag axle PPV. Tightening the screws on that one seems to have stopped the leaking thru the sides, and it is so true that it is easy to "break" something else, while fixing a possible future problem. I will keep a spare PPV though. I wish I could get access to a pit when needed, I never forget Mike Hohnstein's story of the PO of his Bird! I would never trust the Birds jacks, or crawl under with the suspension aired up. I am probably thinner than you think. I did chock the wheels, and set two- 20 ton jacks under the frame, on a couple of ¾-inch steel plates that I carry. Still, you are absolutely right, I have seen the Birds rear jacks crush thru a, (poorly laid), concrete pad at another campground. I would not advise negotiating money with my girlfriend, the word `ruthless' comes to mind. I, on the other hand, am thinking we could do something along the lines of a reverse mortgage(?) We are, (supposedly), overdue for "The Big One" out here, one inopportune California earthquake and Michael Kramer 86 PT-40 8V92 San Diego, CA (Crawling around in those scary places as little as I have to!) --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor" > > Michael, thanks for the info on the pressure protection valve. I guess > the airstep has one to?? > > I never have the guts to crawl under my bus without blocking the > frame up. Even with the jacks down I always fear opening a line that > will let the pressure off the jacks or drop the bags. > > I thought about making clamps for the HWH jack stroke to lock them > from retracting. Like a two half piece steel sleve that wrapps around > the chrome section of the ram and locks in a nest on the foot pad???? > Anyway, give her my number, I'm in the market for an 8V classic > widebody to cut a slide in. > > GregoryO'Connor > 94ptRomoland 70 miles N of SanDiego > |