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Not leaving the Forum just not posting - Ralph L. Fullenwider - 09-06-2008 02:34
Good morning everyone:
Thank you all for the notes and confidence. I am not leaving the Forum just
going to curtail posting for now. Reasons are not because of criticizing,
so long as it is constructive and is actually a help to all, that is how we
make up grades better at times or correct a procedure on how to do
something. No, more to the point, is when flippancy will get someone hurt
or cost them money for repairs that are not needed. Or when a subject gets
the point of harming the flow of information to the Majority. It was stated
that this sort of thing is harmful to new owners and I agree, but even with
that it is not a loss and no, this is not personal, I am highly concerned
that some one will think they don't have a problem, when in fact they do
with their Coach. Bottom line on this thread is, how hard is it to plug the
coach into 110 vac, take a meter set to AC volts, stick the black probe in
the ground and the red one to the entry door and see if you have a voltage
reading?
Insulation on wiring can and will wear thin over the years by vibration
movement and by less and quality installation. Even though that insulation
is thin, ohms scale on the meter will still tell you there is not short and
you good to go, wrong! There is a little item called EMF (Electro Motive
Force) and wiring insulation is designed to keep this EMF curtailed within
the wire, but when that insulation becomes thin the EMF will induct voltage
from that wire to a surrounding surface most generally a ground source or
neutral. And that, folks is what gives you a hot skin and can be a danger
and my original intent was to suggest that the hot skin test be added to
your yearly or 6 month PM schedule. It is just as important as checking the
front hubs for 90 weight oil as a for instance. Forgive me, I become
passionate when it comes to safety or needless monies spent. With that in
mind, I have tried to write items to the Forum that are thought out and not
get friends hurt.
To the new owners, please do not take all of this in dismay, this and other
Forum venues are excellent places to get or share information for all of
us. I was a member of the original Forum number 199 or so, it has been a
while back for sure. This forum has grown, not only in membership, but in
the very knowledge base we all came here in hopes of getting. Yes, I and
others like Jeff and others, in the beginning wrote most of the system
things you see in the files, then as time went on, other found the
WanderlodgeForum and added to that knowledge base and the next thing you
know, we are fixing or helping to fix Coaches down on the side of the road,
or helping an Owner to keep from getting over charged for work in a shop
some where. This Forum has even gotten to the point of talking to the tech
doing the work in a shop but has not a clue as how Birds work, it is simply
amazing to me how such a Forum can do all that just to help someone out. It
is not for money that we are here, it is not because we have nothing else
to do, but it is for the love of these machines and how they run and look.
We all like the thumbs up we get in fuel stops and the way kids will see
the older Birds and point. Well enough of that.
We have all made a ton of Friends here and from time to time shared many a
campfire together. Charolette and I were looking at the photo albums of
those whom we have met out on the road, there are three of them now, albums
that is and we relish the Friends made and the Fellowship and that was all
started right here. In my signature the words "safe travels" is not just a
saying to us, it is words that are heart felt from our home to yours.
Safe travels,
Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma
Not leaving the Forum just not posting - Gregory OConnor - 09-06-2008 04:53
the result of the red and black probe test is canceled out when the
coach ground is maintaining the current path????? you would think
that the test would have an only or more visible result if the ground
to the post is removed and that test woud involve a great danger to
the laymen conducting the test. Resistance is a safe way to prove a
path.
I am not shure that electricity can flot thru thin insulation that
would not be forseen by resistance as a low value????? I should not
challange that thin insulation theory since its evident that
thickness of skin is conductive.
I dig holes professionaly and I think Laymen like myself should seek
professional electrical tecs for review and repair of situations
like these that involve a multiple of combinations that can prove
different results.
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> Good morning everyone:
>
> Thank you all for the notes and confidence. I am not leaving the
Forum just
> going to curtail posting for now. Reasons are not because of
criticizing,
> so long as it is constructive and is actually a help to all, that
is how we
> make up grades better at times or correct a procedure on how to do
> something. No, more to the point, is when flippancy will get
someone hurt
> or cost them money for repairs that are not needed. Or when a
subject gets
> the point of harming the flow of information to the Majority. It
was stated
> that this sort of thing is harmful to new owners and I agree, but
even with
> that it is not a loss and no, this is not personal, I am highly
concerned
> that some one will think they don't have a problem, when in fact
they do
> with their Coach. Bottom line on this thread is, how hard is it to
plug the
> coach into 110 vac, take a meter set to AC volts, stick the black
probe in
> the ground and the red one to the entry door and see if you have a
voltage
> reading?
>
> Insulation on wiring can and will wear thin over the years by
vibration
> movement and by less and quality installation. Even though that
insulation
> is thin, ohms scale on the meter will still tell you there is not
short and
> you good to go, wrong! There is a little item called EMF (Electro
Motive
> Force) and wiring insulation is designed to keep this EMF curtailed
within
> the wire, but when that insulation becomes thin the EMF will induct
voltage
> from that wire to a surrounding surface most generally a ground
source or
> neutral. And that, folks is what gives you a hot skin and can be a
danger
> and my original intent was to suggest that the hot skin test be
added to
> your yearly or 6 month PM schedule. It is just as important as
checking the
> front hubs for 90 weight oil as a for instance. Forgive me, I
become
> passionate when it comes to safety or needless monies spent. With
that in
> mind, I have tried to write items to the Forum that are thought out
and not
> get friends hurt.
>
> To the new owners, please do not take all of this in dismay, this
and other
> Forum venues are excellent places to get or share information for
all of
> us. I was a member of the original Forum number 199 or so, it has
been a
> while back for sure. This forum has grown, not only in membership,
but in
> the very knowledge base we all came here in hopes of getting. Yes,
I and
> others like Jeff and others, in the beginning wrote most of the
system
> things you see in the files, then as time went on, other found the
> WanderlodgeForum and added to that knowledge base and the next
thing you
> know, we are fixing or helping to fix Coaches down on the side of
the road,
> or helping an Owner to keep from getting over charged for work in a
shop
> some where. This Forum has even gotten to the point of talking to
the tech
> doing the work in a shop but has not a clue as how Birds work, it
is simply
> amazing to me how such a Forum can do all that just to help someone
out. It
> is not for money that we are here, it is not because we have
nothing else
> to do, but it is for the love of these machines and how they run
and look.
> We all like the thumbs up we get in fuel stops and the way kids
will see
> the older Birds and point. Well enough of that.
>
> We have all made a ton of Friends here and from time to time shared
many a
> campfire together. Charolette and I were looking at the photo
albums of
> those whom we have met out on the road, there are three of them
now, albums
> that is and we relish the Friends made and the Fellowship and that
was all
> started right here. In my signature the words "safe travels" is not
just a
> saying to us, it is words that are heart felt from our home to
yours.
>
>
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>
Not leaving the Forum just not posting - Juergen - 09-06-2008 09:34
| To all BB operators. I studied Ralph's HOT SKIN TEST, and it makes perfect sense to me. Once I get my coach back from repair shop, I'll do that test What confuses me is the many posts that question and critisize and pepper this simple procedure with whats and ifs and red and black probes and currents and insulation thick or thin. None of those I could deceipher or understand. I am no electrician by profession, but I do know that if you touch HOT, you get ZAPPED. If wires are reversed, what you think is return is HOT and ZAPP. Yep, many posts which are in plain simple language are easy to understand, but some sure leave a lot to be desired. Juergen in PA 1991 WLSP 36 |
Not leaving the Forum just not posting - Richard Gideon - 09-06-2008 11:07
Ralph: Thanks for all you do...you deserve a standing ovation!!!
I plan to perform your SAFETY check on my coach's skin. Your highly
detailed explaination was most welcome.
Please do not let an occasional disrespectful questioning know-it-all
poster allow you to get "HOT UNDER THE COLLAR"!! You don't need this
kind of stress. You have my utmost respect!!!
Your friend,
Dick Gideon
1989 35FC
Rolla, MO
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Juergen
wrote:
>
> To all BB operators.
> I studied Ralph's HOT SKIN TEST, and it makes perfect sense to me.
Once I get my coach back from repair shop, I'll do that test
> What confuses me is the many posts that question and critisize and
pepper this simple procedure with whats and ifs and red and black
probes and currents and insulation thick or thin. None of those I
could deceipher or understand. I am no electrician by profession, but
I do know that if you touch HOT, you get ZAPPED. If wires are
reversed, what you think is return is HOT and ZAPP.
> Yep, many posts which are in plain simple language are easy to
understand, but some sure leave a lot to be desired.
> Juergen in PA
> 1991 WLSP 36
>
Not leaving the Forum just not posting - Ryan Wright - 09-08-2008 08:44
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Ralph L. Fullenwider
> No, more to the point, is when flippancy will get someone hurt
> or cost them money for repairs that are not needed.
When those with your knowledge and experience quit posting, then all
we'll have left is the flippancy.
Doesn't seem right.
-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92