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1983 35FC 3208 Engine Fan Rebuild/Replacement [Facet Fan] - compmanben - 08-29-2009 03:43
Hi Folks,
I have an 3208 engine fan clutch jingling and jangling. I currently have a
Facet fan, which no longer sells or supports the fan. I started a search for a
rebuild kit or a replacement to no avail. I searched the archives and came
across some information, but nothing concrete.
Has anyone replaced or rebuilt the engine fan clutch? Or does anyone have any
advice to offer? Part numbers? Suppliers? How-to guide? Costs?
Electromagnetic Clutch vs. Air Clutch?
I really appreciate any information you can provide.
Thanks!
Nate Owens
1983 35FC
"It's A Wanderlful Life"
1983 35FC 3208 Engine Fan Rebuild/Replacement [Facet Fan] - gardendoc17 - 08-30-2009 00:55
Nate,
Following is a parts list I used to repair my Facet Fan in my 84FC33 I had
issues with throwing belts which I discovered were related to bearings in the
fan and fan pulley that when cold were fine but after getting hot would seize.
At approx. 200 miles the fan belts would break and take additional belts with
them as they came apart. After many sets of belts and lots of headaches on the
road the following were changed.
Following are 5 different bearing assemblies all associated with the engine
belts that I replaced. 1-3 are for the Facet Fan, 4 and 5 are Idler pulleys.
1 Large double row fan bearing JAF #5006-2RS (cost $15.00) got it from
Applied Industrial Technologies it is a hard to find size.
2. Inner fan bearing Fafnir # 9106PP (cost $25.40) (my old bearing was a NTN
# 6006LU) ( Gary Miller used Koyo#60062RSC3GXM )
3. Fan pulley bearings (2) Timken bearing # 09067, Timken Race # 09195 and
Lip Seal -National #471766 (my old seal # was CR 3N2105)
The following are not part of the fan, but I felt could be related to my problem
of throwing belts, since they felt dry and scratchy and not as smooth as they
really should be, so I replaced them also while everything was opened up.
4. Air conditioner Idler pulley ...#FAFN 10874 (cost $22.00 from applied tech)
( Gary Miller used Napa #209842 )
5. Waterpump Idler pulley... (2) MRC # 305SZZ (old bearing numbers SKF
6305-2RS1/Q66HTS1) ( Gary Miller used (2) Koyo #63052RDC3, Cat Plug #4K0149 and
retaining ring #2D 1523 )
(please note: I would use these bearing numbers as points of reference
only...there probably are several different versions of the facet fan. Also
there was some confusion due to the many different bearing manufacturers part
numbers)
Rick Archie
85PT40 "Fort R"
Fort Worth
1983 35FC 3208 Engine Fan Rebuild/Replacement [Facet Fan] - gregoryoconnor - 08-30-2009 03:35
I bet the belts and bearings take quite a jolt when the fan clicks on at 2800
rpm. In my old 3208's I would switch the fan on at a lower rpm in fear of an
automatic come-on when the r's are at top spinn. The problem with switching on
the fan prior to a climb or stress is the fan is a stress added to the engine.
Use of fan robs 35 hp from the power that was available to torque the rear.
:when you climb with the fan a 250 hp cat leaves you 215 hp for that period most
needed.
It is interesting to note that the fan engaged on a down hill decent will slow
the bus a bit and keep the r's under the lowergear choice with less service
brake use. the down hill power/fuel generated by gravity is eaten up as the fan
uses 35 hp of that power to spinn. Test is easy :if you run no throttle , down
hill, slow, in 2nd gear using engine speed to keep the bus within r's, switch on
the fan and notice that the progression of speed increase cause by gravity
slows. Progression of speed on a down hill is exponential so the little added
stress of the fan use at a lower r could remove the need to use the service
brakes all together during the slow decent. I believe that using my dumptruck
fan as a alternative to use of the illegal jake causes me 1/2 the service life
of the fan.
[when I descend in a commercial Dumptruck on the California highway hills, I run
up to max rpm then get on the service brakes and slow the truck down hard and
brief to the down shift rpm. This heats up the drums quicker but allows them to
cool for use and service during the better part of the decent.]
Another test of stress to run the fan is to drive for 100 miles on a control
environment with and without fan then check the MPG of both instances. I bet it
is better than one mpg cost to run.
I bet another reason these fans appear to fail more often with the Wanderlodge
is ;Owners pressure wash the grease out of the bearings and ;Owner prompted over
use of fan thinking it is necessary to keep the engine cool.
There are fan clutches that work with air pressure. One more common type is a
horton air clutch. On some air clutches the fan is on/engaged by a spring and
disengaged by adding air ,like the parkbrake. Here is a video on the mechanics
of the air clutch
http://www.kit-masters.com/video1.php
I installed one of the two speeds on my dumptruck to correct the high failure
rate I was experiencing because I was over using the fan. I inadvertently lost
the down hill hold back ability of the one speed fan. You cant have it all. I
am now forced to bump on the Jake in residential areas from time to time, "Sorry
officer, the Rich got'ta swim"
Greg of Tim&Greg
94ptca
"Fort Rainbow"
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "gardendoc17"
>
> Nate,
> Following is a parts list I used to repair my Facet Fan in my 84FC33 I had
issues with throwing belts which I discovered were related to bearings in the
fan and fan pulley that when cold were fine but after getting hot would seize.
At approx. 200 miles the fan belts would break and take additional belts with
them as they came apart. After many sets of belts and lots of headaches on the
road the following were changed.
>
> Following are 5 different bearing assemblies all associated with the engine
belts that I replaced. 1-3 are for the Facet Fan, 4 and 5 are Idler pulleys.
>
> 1 Large double row fan bearing JAF #5006-2RS (cost $15.00) got it from
Applied Industrial Technologies it is a hard to find size.
>
> 2. Inner fan bearing Fafnir # 9106PP (cost $25.40) (my old bearing was a
NTN # 6006LU) ( Gary Miller used Koyo#60062RSC3GXM )
>
> 3. Fan pulley bearings (2) Timken bearing # 09067, Timken Race # 09195 and
Lip Seal -National #471766 (my old seal # was CR 3N2105)
>
> The following are not part of the fan, but I felt could be related to my
problem of throwing belts, since they felt dry and scratchy and not as smooth as
they really should be, so I replaced them also while everything was opened up.
>
> 4. Air conditioner Idler pulley ...#FAFN 10874 (cost $22.00 from applied
tech) ( Gary Miller used Napa #209842 )
>
> 5. Waterpump Idler pulley... (2) MRC # 305SZZ (old bearing numbers SKF
6305-2RS1/Q66HTS1) ( Gary Miller used (2) Koyo #63052RDC3, Cat Plug #4K0149 and
retaining ring #2D 1523 )
>
> (please note: I would use these bearing numbers as points of reference
only...there probably are several different versions of the facet fan. Also
there was some confusion due to the many different bearing manufacturers part
numbers)
>
> Rick Archie
> 85PT40 "Fort R"
> Fort Worth
>
1983 35FC 3208 Engine Fan Rebuild/Replacement [Facet Fan] - gregoryoconnor - 08-30-2009 03:59
Fan bearing issues may be related to fan blade size choice Bluebird engineers
used to cool the oversized radiators???? watch the video
It may be interesting to know the size and blade count of the fan BB used in the
design??? maybe some of the members who are having issues have unbalanced fans
or non OEM, PO (previous owner) modifications?
Greg
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "gregoryoconnor"
>
> I bet the belts and bearings take quite a jolt when the fan clicks on at 2800
rpm. In my old 3208's I would switch the fan on at a lower rpm in fear of an
automatic come-on when the r's are at top spinn. The problem with switching on
the fan prior to a climb or stress is the fan is a stress added to the engine.
Use of fan robs 35 hp from the power that was available to torque the rear.
:when you climb with the fan a 250 hp cat leaves you 215 hp for that period most
needed.
>
> It is interesting to note that the fan engaged on a down hill decent will
slow the bus a bit and keep the r's under the lowergear choice with less service
brake use. the down hill power/fuel generated by gravity is eaten up as the fan
uses 35 hp of that power to spinn. Test is easy :if you run no throttle , down
hill, slow, in 2nd gear using engine speed to keep the bus within r's, switch on
the fan and notice that the progression of speed increase cause by gravity
slows. Progression of speed on a down hill is exponential so the little added
stress of the fan use at a lower r could remove the need to use the service
brakes all together during the slow decent. I believe that using my dumptruck
fan as a alternative to use of the illegal jake causes me 1/2 the service life
of the fan.
>
> [when I descend in a commercial Dumptruck on the California highway hills, I
run up to max rpm then get on the service brakes and slow the truck down hard
and brief to the down shift rpm. This heats up the drums quicker but allows them
to cool for use and service during the better part of the decent.]
>
> Another test of stress to run the fan is to drive for 100 miles on a control
environment with and without fan then check the MPG of both instances. I bet it
is better than one mpg cost to run.
>
> I bet another reason these fans appear to fail more often with the
Wanderlodge is ;Owners pressure wash the grease out of the bearings and ;Owner
prompted over use of fan thinking it is necessary to keep the engine cool.
>
> There are fan clutches that work with air pressure. One more common type is a
horton air clutch. On some air clutches the fan is on/engaged by a spring and
disengaged by adding air ,like the parkbrake. Here is a video on the mechanics
of the air clutch
> http://www.kit-masters.com/video1.php
>
> I installed one of the two speeds on my dumptruck to correct the high failure
rate I was experiencing because I was over using the fan. I inadvertently lost
the down hill hold back ability of the one speed fan. You cant have it all. I
am now forced to bump on the Jake in residential areas from time to time, "Sorry
officer, the Rich got'ta swim"
>
> Greg of Tim&Greg
> 94ptca
> "Fort Rainbow"
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "gardendoc17"
> >
> > Nate,
> > Following is a parts list I used to repair my Facet Fan in my 84FC33 I had
issues with throwing belts which I discovered were related to bearings in the
fan and fan pulley that when cold were fine but after getting hot would seize.
At approx. 200 miles the fan belts would break and take additional belts with
them as they came apart. After many sets of belts and lots of headaches on the
road the following were changed.
> >
> > Following are 5 different bearing assemblies all associated with the engine
belts that I replaced. 1-3 are for the Facet Fan, 4 and 5 are Idler pulleys.
> >
> > 1 Large double row fan bearing JAF #5006-2RS (cost $15.00) got it from
Applied Industrial Technologies it is a hard to find size.
> >
> > 2. Inner fan bearing Fafnir # 9106PP (cost $25.40) (my old bearing was a
NTN # 6006LU) ( Gary Miller used Koyo#60062RSC3GXM )
> >
> > 3. Fan pulley bearings (2) Timken bearing # 09067, Timken Race # 09195
and Lip Seal -National #471766 (my old seal # was CR 3N2105)
> >
> > The following are not part of the fan, but I felt could be related to my
problem of throwing belts, since they felt dry and scratchy and not as smooth as
they really should be, so I replaced them also while everything was opened up.
> >
> > 4. Air conditioner Idler pulley ...#FAFN 10874 (cost $22.00 from applied
tech) ( Gary Miller used Napa #209842 )
> >
> > 5. Waterpump Idler pulley... (2) MRC # 305SZZ (old bearing numbers SKF
6305-2RS1/Q66HTS1) ( Gary Miller used (2) Koyo #63052RDC3, Cat Plug #4K0149 and
retaining ring #2D 1523 )
> >
> > (please note: I would use these bearing numbers as points of reference
only...there probably are several different versions of the facet fan. Also
there was some confusion due to the many different bearing manufacturers part
numbers)
> >
> > Rick Archie
> > 85PT40 "Fort R"
> > Fort Worth
> >
>
1983 35FC 3208 Engine Fan Rebuild/Replacement [Facet Fan] - davidkerryedwards - 08-30-2009 04:28
I looked into this a few years ago, wanting to be prepared for the eventual
failure of the Facet electric fan. I found no sources for replacement parts,
apart from another Bird owner who told me he had a complete new fan for sale.
Unfortunately, when it arrived it turned out to be just the electromagnet and
not a complete fan. I was very disappointed with the fellow birder who even
refused to acknowledge that it was not a complete fan.
The long and short of it appears to be that most people are converting to a
Horton air clutched fan when the Facet fails. Not an inexpensive option, but
probably the best choice.
Since the 3208 was put in many different applications I suspect there may be an
alternative fan system available if a person were to expend the effort to figure
out what might fit in a Bird. I don't see why a traditional viscous clutch fan
would not be feasible.
Since your fan clutch is making metallic sounds, it might be worth investigating
whether you can simply replace the bearings in the fan if the electromagnetic
part is still functioining.
Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "compmanben"
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I have an 3208 engine fan clutch jingling and jangling. I currently have a
Facet fan, which no longer sells or supports the fan. I started a search for a
rebuild kit or a replacement to no avail. I searched the archives and came
across some information, but nothing concrete.
>
> Has anyone replaced or rebuilt the engine fan clutch? Or does anyone have any
advice to offer? Part numbers? Suppliers? How-to guide? Costs?
Electromagnetic Clutch vs. Air Clutch?
>
> I really appreciate any information you can provide.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Nate Owens
> 1983 35FC
> "It's A Wanderlful Life"
>
1983 35FC 3208 Engine Fan Rebuild/Replacement [Facet Fan] - compmanben - 09-14-2009 08:14
Hi Folks,
How are you?
Thanks for the responses. I was told by a local shop that a rebuild is not
possible. He may not be a machinist or may want the fat margin on spare parts.
I may need to get a second opinion after hearing of several people that rebuilt
theirs. I don't personally have the equipment for the rebuild.
The spare parts are a concern. I took the model numbers referenced by the forum
and they are no longer in production. Horton will 'custom' make the fan clutch
if needed. However, this sounds like an expensive option.
The fan that is meant for this fan clutch is not the right size for my shroud.
There is a company that will custom [read: cu$tom] make a fan to fit. However,
this also sounds like an expensive option.
A few years back the cost [as referenced by the forum] as around $1,100. I
would estimate two custom fabbed parts and their installation to be upwards of
$1,800.
In light of these three facts, does anyone have any further advice?
God Speed,
Nate Owens
1983 35FC
"It's a Wanderful Life"
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "compmanben"
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I have an 3208 engine fan clutch jingling and jangling. I currently have a
Facet fan, which no longer sells or supports the fan. I started a search for a
rebuild kit or a replacement to no avail. I searched the archives and came
across some information, but nothing concrete.
>
> Has anyone replaced or rebuilt the engine fan clutch? Or does anyone have any
advice to offer? Part numbers? Suppliers? How-to guide? Costs?
Electromagnetic Clutch vs. Air Clutch?
>
> I really appreciate any information you can provide.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Nate Owens
> 1983 35FC
> "It's A Wanderlful Life"
>
1983 35FC 3208 Engine Fan Rebuild/Replacement [Facet Fan] - freewill2008 - 09-14-2009 12:45
Nate - There is a Horton clutch that should be an exact replacement unless your
83 is very different from most FCs. A new fan is required anyway because the hub
is different.
Here is the info I sent another 83 owner a while back:
The fan clutch is not too bad of a job, but it will take some time. The
mechanical parts bolt right in. I ended up with a little less travel on the
belt tension adjustment. No big deal.
The new electric-to-air controls took a bit of thought and attention. Had to
get the correct air relay from a local truck parts supplier. What you need to
know: The clutch uses air pressure to engage. The relay must also exhaust
pressure to release the clutch. With power on the relay coil, the clutch gets
air pressure. With power off the relay coil, the clutch pressure can exhaust.
Think it was called a "three way" valve, but like most switches and valves
called "three way", it actually has two ways.
They also sold me a neatlittle filter fitting that screwed right to the exhaust port of the relay valve.
A nice piece. (I bought an extra and used it to vent the lid of the power
steering reservoir.)
An air line must be run - I used aux air, same air that supplies the suspension
and air horns. To position the air relay I recommend the space under the
floorboard in the area of the throttle linkage. I mounted mine behind the
radiator in the engine compartment and then had to fabricate protection for the
relay and air/electric lines in case of a thrown belt. The air line, fittings
and relay cost about $100.
I also took the opportunity to re-wire that area of the engine, including the
harness up to the fuel valve area on top of the engine. This is also a great
time to add a manual fan switch on the dashboard if you don't have one. Its
just a SPST switch in parallel with the water temperature sensor switch on the
engine.
Horton does not build the Wanderlodge air clutch any longer but they will supply
a remanufactured unit. The Horton reman part is 7910030. It is a reman of part
number 990128. You need to find a local Horton dealer to order you the part.
Horton may be able to help you find a dealer. They were very helpful on the
phone. 800.621.1320. Because the reman price of $700 assumes you have a core,
you must also pony up the core price of $400.
Horton builds fans but they could not supply the correct fan for the Horton
clutch in a Wanderlodge. I ended up getting a fan from American Cooling
Systems, 800.974.3267. It had to be ordered from a Cummins dealer. It cost
under $100. The fan is a 10 blade model, 3.5" bolt circle, 3/8" bolt hole
diameter, 6 bolt holes, 2" pilot hole, 2.25" PW, 1.12" FB, Clockwise Rotation,
and 22" overall diameter. Part number 449200-22. A couple notes: "FB" and
"PW" are front-to-back dimensions. Also, fan makers do not look at rotation
from the same end of the assembly as engine makers do. Clockwise IS correct.
The new clutch/fan assembly runs MUCH quieter that the original, and it is
better balanced. It is both a repair and an improvement.
Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "compmanben"
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> How are you?
>
> Thanks for the responses. I was told by a local shop that a rebuild is not
possible. He may not be a machinist or may want the fat margin on spare parts.
I may need to get a second opinion after hearing of several people that rebuilt
theirs. I don't personally have the equipment for the rebuild.
>
> The spare parts are a concern. I took the model numbers referenced by the
forum and they are no longer in production. Horton will 'custom' make the fan
clutch if needed. However, this sounds like an expensive option.
>
> The fan that is meant for this fan clutch is not the right size for my shroud.
There is a company that will custom [read: cu$tom] make a fan to fit. However,
this also sounds like an expensive option.
>
> A few years back the cost [as referenced by the forum] as around $1,100. I
would estimate two custom fabbed parts and their installation to be upwards of
$1,800.
>
> In light of these three facts, does anyone have any further advice?
>
> God Speed,
>
> Nate Owens
> 1983 35FC
> "It's a Wanderful Life"
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "compmanben"
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I have an 3208 engine fan clutch jingling and jangling. I currently have a
Facet fan, which no longer sells or supports the fan. I started a search for a
rebuild kit or a replacement to no avail. I searched the archives and came
across some information, but nothing concrete.
> >
> > Has anyone replaced or rebuilt the engine fan clutch? Or does anyone have
any advice to offer? Part numbers? Suppliers? How-to guide? Costs?
Electromagnetic Clutch vs. Air Clutch?
> >
> > I really appreciate any information you can provide.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Nate Owens
> > 1983 35FC
> > "It's A Wanderlful Life"
> >
>
1983 35FC 3208 Engine Fan Rebuild/Replacement [Facet Fan] - compmanben - 09-15-2009 02:29
Hi Bob, Hi Folks,
Great to hear from you again.
That was just the info I was looking for. The fan part number is great too! I
wanted to close up the post and summarize what I learned.
Here is some additional information I found. I called around to three places
and wanted to post the best price for the forum.
SUPERIOR TURBO INJECTION in Detroit, MI
(800) 525-0164
x22 larry
$497.98 + $150 [UPGRADE CHARGE FOR COMPETITIVE CLUTCHES]
$65 for solenoid kit
$30 for temperature control unit [205 degrees]
There is a $400 core charge, but somehow they will accept my old Facet fan for
only a $150 core charge. That's much better. Superior was the only place that
offered this option.
Fan Blade from American Cooling Systems 449200-22 $75
[technical description in Bob's previous post]
This is a steel hub and nylon blades.
[Interchangeable Part Keys: American Cooling Systems Fan Blade 449200-22,
BorgWarner Fan Blade 38449-09, BorgWarner Fan Blade 4735-38449-09, Cummins Fan
Blade 3930243, Volvo Fan Blade 20801-3468]
Other sources are:
power train: indy office
800.999.3912
talked with bill - very knowledgeable
quoted 486.16 to rebuild an old one
solenoid kit HT993293 $127.49
fan cltc $400 core plus $604.63
sending unit $51.75
tri city truck parts
800.438.0561
513.542.4812
al - helpful and can order
$1,300 for kit - no further breakdown provided
Thanks to everyone for their support!
Cheers,
Nate Owens
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "freewill2008"
>
> Nate - There is a Horton clutch that should be an exact replacement unless
your 83 is very different from most FCs. A new fan is required anyway because
the hub is different.
>
> Here is the info I sent another 83 owner a while back:
>
> The fan clutch is not too bad of a job, but it will take some time. The
mechanical parts bolt right in. I ended up with a little less travel on the
belt tension adjustment. No big deal.
>
> The new electric-to-air controls took a bit of thought and attention. Had to
get the correct air relay from a local truck parts supplier. What you need to
know: The clutch uses air pressure to engage. The relay must also exhaust
pressure to release the clutch. With power on the relay coil, the clutch gets
air pressure. With power off the relay coil, the clutch pressure can exhaust.
Think it was called a "three way" valve, but like most switches and valves
called "three way", it actually has two ways.
They also sold me a neatlittle filter fitting that screwed right to the exhaust port of the relay valve.
A nice piece. (I bought an extra and used it to vent the lid of the power
steering reservoir.)
>
> An air line must be run - I used aux air, same air that supplies the
suspension and air horns. To position the air relay I recommend the space under
the floorboard in the area of the throttle linkage. I mounted mine behind the
radiator in the engine compartment and then had to fabricate protection for the
relay and air/electric lines in case of a thrown belt. The air line, fittings
and relay cost about $100.
>
> I also took the opportunity to re-wire that area of the engine, including the
harness up to the fuel valve area on top of the engine. This is also a great
time to add a manual fan switch on the dashboard if you don't have one. Its
just a SPST switch in parallel with the water temperature sensor switch on the
engine.
>
> Horton does not build the Wanderlodge air clutch any longer but they will
supply a remanufactured unit. The Horton reman part is 7910030. It is a reman
of part number 990128. You need to find a local Horton dealer to order you the
part. Horton may be able to help you find a dealer. They were very helpful on
the phone. 800.621.1320. Because the reman price of $700 assumes you have a
core, you must also pony up the core price of $400.
>
> Horton builds fans but they could not supply the correct fan for the Horton
clutch in a Wanderlodge. I ended up getting a fan from American Cooling
Systems, 800.974.3267. It had to be ordered from a Cummins dealer. It cost
under $100. The fan is a 10 blade model, 3.5" bolt circle, 3/8" bolt hole
diameter, 6 bolt holes, 2" pilot hole, 2.25" PW, 1.12" FB, Clockwise Rotation,
and 22" overall diameter. Part number 449200-22. A couple notes: "FB" and
"PW" are front-to-back dimensions. Also, fan makers do not look at rotation
from the same end of the assembly as engine makers do. Clockwise IS correct.
>
> The new clutch/fan assembly runs MUCH quieter that the original, and it is
better balanced. It is both a repair and an improvement.
>
> Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "compmanben"
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > How are you?
> >
> > Thanks for the responses. I was told by a local shop that a rebuild is not
possible. He may not be a machinist or may want the fat margin on spare parts.
I may need to get a second opinion after hearing of several people that rebuilt
theirs. I don't personally have the equipment for the rebuild.
> >
> > The spare parts are a concern. I took the model numbers referenced by the
forum and they are no longer in production. Horton will 'custom' make the fan
clutch if needed. However, this sounds like an expensive option.
> >
> > The fan that is meant for this fan clutch is not the right size for my
shroud. There is a company that will custom [read: cu$tom] make a fan to fit.
However, this also sounds like an expensive option.
> >
> > A few years back the cost [as referenced by the forum] as around $1,100. I
would estimate two custom fabbed parts and their installation to be upwards of
$1,800.
> >
> > In light of these three facts, does anyone have any further advice?
> >
> > God Speed,
> >
> > Nate Owens
> > 1983 35FC
> > "It's a Wanderful Life"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "compmanben"
> > >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > >
> > > I have an 3208 engine fan clutch jingling and jangling. I currently have
a Facet fan, which no longer sells or supports the fan. I started a search for
a rebuild kit or a replacement to no avail. I searched the archives and came
across some information, but nothing concrete.
> > >
> > > Has anyone replaced or rebuilt the engine fan clutch? Or does anyone have
any advice to offer? Part numbers? Suppliers? How-to guide? Costs?
Electromagnetic Clutch vs. Air Clutch?
> > >
> > > I really appreciate any information you can provide.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Nate Owens
> > > 1983 35FC
> > > "It's A Wanderlful Life"
> > >
> >
>
1983 35FC 3208 Engine Fan Rebuild/Replacement [Facet Fan] - compmanben - 09-15-2009 02:31
http://www.fanclutch.com/product.asp?Part_ID=9869
http://www.fanclutch.com/product.asp?Part_ID=3706
There are the two major components.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Nate Owens
> > > 1983 35FC
> > > "It's A Wanderful Life"
> > >
> >
>
1983 35FC 3208 Engine Fan Rebuild/Replacement [Facet Fan] - freewill2008 - 09-15-2009 05:45
Nate - great follow up! Just one comment: 205 degrees seems too high for the
BB application. I think the BB sensor is 190. Heat is the enemy because the
bus is wrapped so tightly around that 3208.
Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "compmanben"
>
> Hi Bob, Hi Folks,
>
> Great to hear from you again.
>
> That was just the info I was looking for. The fan part number is great too!
I wanted to close up the post and summarize what I learned.
>
> Here is some additional information I found. I called around to three places
and wanted to post the best price for the forum.
>
> SUPERIOR TURBO INJECTION in Detroit, MI
> (800) 525-0164
> x22 larry
> $497.98 + $150 [UPGRADE CHARGE FOR COMPETITIVE CLUTCHES]
> $65 for solenoid kit
> $30 for temperature control unit [205 degrees]
>
> There is a $400 core charge, but somehow they will accept my old Facet fan for
only a $150 core charge. That's much better. Superior was the only place that
offered this option.
>
> Fan Blade from American Cooling Systems 449200-22 $75
> [technical description in Bob's previous post]
> This is a steel hub and nylon blades.
> [Interchangeable Part Keys: American Cooling Systems Fan Blade 449200-22,
BorgWarner Fan Blade 38449-09, BorgWarner Fan Blade 4735-38449-09, Cummins Fan
Blade 3930243, Volvo Fan Blade 20801-3468]
>
> Other sources are:
>
> power train: indy office
> 800.999.3912
> talked with bill - very knowledgeable
> quoted 486.16 to rebuild an old one
> solenoid kit HT993293 $127.49
> fan cltc $400 core plus $604.63
> sending unit $51.75
>
> tri city truck parts
> 800.438.0561
> 513.542.4812
> al - helpful and can order
> $1,300 for kit - no further breakdown provided
>
> Thanks to everyone for their support!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nate Owens
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "freewill2008"
> >
> > Nate - There is a Horton clutch that should be an exact replacement unless
your 83 is very different from most FCs. A new fan is required anyway because
the hub is different.
> >
> > Here is the info I sent another 83 owner a while back:
> >
> > The fan clutch is not too bad of a job, but it will take some time. The
mechanical parts bolt right in. I ended up with a little less travel on the
belt tension adjustment. No big deal.
> >
> > The new electric-to-air controls took a bit of thought and attention. Had
to get the correct air relay from a local truck parts supplier. What you need
to know: The clutch uses air pressure to engage. The relay must also exhaust
pressure to release the clutch. With power on the relay coil, the clutch gets
air pressure. With power off the relay coil, the clutch pressure can exhaust.
Think it was called a "three way" valve, but like most switches and valves
called "three way", it actually has two ways.
They also sold me a neatlittle filter fitting that screwed right to the exhaust port of the relay valve.
A nice piece. (I bought an extra and used it to vent the lid of the power
steering reservoir.)
> >
> > An air line must be run - I used aux air, same air that supplies the
suspension and air horns. To position the air relay I recommend the space under
the floorboard in the area of the throttle linkage. I mounted mine behind the
radiator in the engine compartment and then had to fabricate protection for the
relay and air/electric lines in case of a thrown belt. The air line, fittings
and relay cost about $100.
> >
> > I also took the opportunity to re-wire that area of the engine, including
the harness up to the fuel valve area on top of the engine. This is also a
great time to add a manual fan switch on the dashboard if you don't have one.
Its just a SPST switch in parallel with the water temperature sensor switch on
the engine.
> >
> > Horton does not build the Wanderlodge air clutch any longer but they will
supply a remanufactured unit. The Horton reman part is 7910030. It is a reman
of part number 990128. You need to find a local Horton dealer to order you the
part. Horton may be able to help you find a dealer. They were very helpful on
the phone. 800.621.1320. Because the reman price of $700 assumes you have a
core, you must also pony up the core price of $400.
> >
> > Horton builds fans but they could not supply the correct fan for the Horton
clutch in a Wanderlodge. I ended up getting a fan from American Cooling
Systems, 800.974.3267. It had to be ordered from a Cummins dealer. It cost
under $100. The fan is a 10 blade model, 3.5" bolt circle, 3/8" bolt hole
diameter, 6 bolt holes, 2" pilot hole, 2.25" PW, 1.12" FB, Clockwise Rotation,
and 22" overall diameter. Part number 449200-22. A couple notes: "FB" and
"PW" are front-to-back dimensions. Also, fan makers do not look at rotation
from the same end of the assembly as engine makers do. Clockwise IS correct.
> >
> > The new clutch/fan assembly runs MUCH quieter that the original, and it is
better balanced. It is both a repair and an improvement.
> >
> > Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "compmanben"
> > >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > >
> > > How are you?
> > >
> > > Thanks for the responses. I was told by a local shop that a rebuild is
not possible. He may not be a machinist or may want the fat margin on spare
parts. I may need to get a second opinion after hearing of several people that
rebuilt theirs. I don't personally have the equipment for the rebuild.
> > >
> > > The spare parts are a concern. I took the model numbers referenced by the
forum and they are no longer in production. Horton will 'custom' make the fan
clutch if needed. However, this sounds like an expensive option.
> > >
> > > The fan that is meant for this fan clutch is not the right size for my
shroud. There is a company that will custom [read: cu$tom] make a fan to fit.
However, this also sounds like an expensive option.
> > >
> > > A few years back the cost [as referenced by the forum] as around $1,100.
I would estimate two custom fabbed parts and their installation to be upwards of
$1,800.
> > >
> > > In light of these three facts, does anyone have any further advice?
> > >
> > > God Speed,
> > >
> > > Nate Owens
> > > 1983 35FC
> > > "It's a Wanderful Life"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "compmanben"
> > > >
> > > > Hi Folks,
> > > >
> > > > I have an 3208 engine fan clutch jingling and jangling. I currently
have a Facet fan, which no longer sells or supports the fan. I started a search
for a rebuild kit or a replacement to no avail. I searched the archives and
came across some information, but nothing concrete.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone replaced or rebuilt the engine fan clutch? Or does anyone
have any advice to offer? Part numbers? Suppliers? How-to guide? Costs?
Electromagnetic Clutch vs. Air Clutch?
> > > >
> > > > I really appreciate any information you can provide.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Nate Owens
> > > > 1983 35FC
> > > > "It's A Wanderlful Life"
> > > >
> > >
> >
>