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heat while driving - Jana Ewart - 10-10-2009 05:55

We are finally on the road "full-time" as of this morning.  It is cooooollllldddd up here in the north.  Can anyone give us some ideas how to get dash heat while going down the road?  We have the right vent and left vent closed, the front heat under the camera is all the way to heat -- but the right and left fan switches only blow cold air.  Is there another button or switch we need to turn on?  Thanks so much.

Jana (with ice cube feet)
89pt40wb
The Bird House is on the road!
Still in South Dakota

--
Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)





heat while driving - freewill2008 - 10-10-2009 06:16

Here is some general trouble shooting information. PT owners may know some
tricks specific to your rig:

The fans blow cold because the heater core is cold. Are there other chassis
heaters (not propane furnaces) around the bus that blow warm? If so, then your
hot water circulation is working.

There is probably a Sporlan valve controlling hot water flow to the front heater
cores. The valve is controlled by a a 12 volt circuit. That circuit inlcudes
the 12 volt source power (fuse? breaker?) and one or more switches. One switch
is probably a manual control somewhere on the dash. There may also be a
thermostat (temperature controlled switch) somewhere in the dash.

Other possibilities: 1. The front heat Sporlan valve gets power, but the valve
is plugged or broken. 2. There is a summer/winter valve (manual or Sporlan)
that is shut off. 3. The front heater core is plugged.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Jana Ewart wrote:
>
> We are finally on the road "full-time" as of this morning. It is
> cooooollllldddd up here in the north. Can anyone give us some ideas how to
> get dash heat while going down the road? We have the right vent and left
> vent closed, the front heat under the camera is all the way to heat -- but
> the right and left fan switches only blow cold air. Is there another button
> or switch we need to turn on? Thanks so much.
> Jana (with ice cube feet)
> 89pt40wb
> The Bird House is on the road!
> Still in South Dakota
>
> --
> Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)
>

heat while driving - Curt Sprenger - 10-10-2009 06:24

Your 'Bird is a couple years newer than our '87 so may be some differences.

Is there a Summer/Winter switch in the upper dash above the driver? Set it to Winter.

Is the Heat switch in the lower dash set to Heat? Our Heat switch location is just below the two Fan switches.


At the rear of the coach engine we have 4 gate valves. These need to be in the open position. They are located just forward of the rear bumper, about shoulder height on the street side next to the engine thermostat housing, a little lower on the curb side by the exhaust tube, can't remember the location for the forth valve. Opening up those valve will let the engine coolant flow throughout the coach and you should have heat.


There is is a heater under the couch that works off the engine coolant. Next to the vent are two switches, one is ON/OFF, the other is the fans speed. Set to On and High/Low. Set the wall Thermostat to 70 degrees and be sure it's in the ON position. The thermostat in our coach is on the wall above the couch reward end.


There are more heaters, probable at least a dozen in your coach. Makes for a long story.

You can also run the generator and turn on the electric toe heaters that are just above floor level.

Hope this helps.


Good luck.






Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA




On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Jana Ewart <"janaquilts@gmail.com"> wrote:
 


We are finally on the road "full-time" as of this morning.  It is cooooollllldddd up here in the north.  Can anyone give us some ideas how to get dash heat while going down the road?  We have the right vent and left vent closed, the front heat under the camera is all the way to heat -- but the right and left fan switches only blow cold air.  Is there another button or switch we need to turn on?  Thanks so much.


Jana (with ice cube feet)
89pt40wb
The Bird House is on the road!
Still in South Dakota

--
Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)





heat while driving - Dick - 10-10-2009 06:37

Check the dash for a switch labelled 'front heat'. That switch will cycle 12V
power to the 'Sporlan Valve' which in turn will allow engine coolant to flow
through the front heater. If you have good hearing, you will be able to hear
the Sporlan cycling on and off as the front heat switch is repositioned. You
should also feel the Sporlan internal mechanism move when the front heat switch
is cycled. A helper will make it easier to check for sounds and Sporan
movement.

Sporlan valves are easily cleaned if flow is not achieved.

Dick Gideon
1989 FC35
Rolla, MO


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "freewill2008" wrote:
>
> Here is some general trouble shooting information. PT owners may know some
tricks specific to your rig:
>
> The fans blow cold because the heater core is cold. Are there other chassis
heaters (not propane furnaces) around the bus that blow warm? If so, then your
hot water circulation is working.
>
> There is probably a Sporlan valve controlling hot water flow to the front
heater cores. The valve is controlled by a a 12 volt circuit. That circuit
inlcudes the 12 volt source power (fuse? breaker?) and one or more switches.
One switch is probably a manual control somewhere on the dash. There may also
be a thermostat (temperature controlled switch) somewhere in the dash.
>
> Other possibilities: 1. The front heat Sporlan valve gets power, but the
valve is plugged or broken. 2. There is a summer/winter valve (manual or
Sporlan) that is shut off. 3. The front heater core is plugged.
>
> Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Jana Ewart wrote:
> >
> > We are finally on the road "full-time" as of this morning. It is
> > cooooollllldddd up here in the north. Can anyone give us some ideas how to
> > get dash heat while going down the road? We have the right vent and left
> > vent closed, the front heat under the camera is all the way to heat -- but
> > the right and left fan switches only blow cold air. Is there another button
> > or switch we need to turn on? Thanks so much.
> > Jana (with ice cube feet)
> > 89pt40wb
> > The Bird House is on the road!
> > Still in South Dakota
> >
> > --
> > Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)
> >
>

heat while driving - GARY MINKER - 10-11-2009 08:27

Front heat is a cavalcade of events. You have gate valves on the engine that need to be open. There are magnetic valves that have to work to let hot water flow. There are 4 or more fuses that need to be good and a dash switch. Then it helps if the booster pump works. then once it all works, it won't shut off and cooks you in the summer time. Oh did I mention you might have a winter/summer switch that may be wired wrong and open the wrong valve and run the wrong pump.
Gary
85 PT-40

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Jana Ewart wrote:
From: Jana Ewart
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] heat while driving
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October
10, 2009, 1:55 PM




We are finally on the road "full-time" as of this morning. It is cooooollllldddd up here in the north. Can anyone give us some ideas how to get dash heat while going down the road? We have the right vent and left vent closed, the front heat under the camera is all the way to heat -- but the right and left fan switches only blow cold air. Is there another button or switch we need to turn on? Thanks so much.


Jana (with ice cube feet)
89pt40wb
The Bird House is on the road!
Still in South Dakota

--
Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)





heat while driving - Jana Ewart - 10-12-2009 10:48

Thanks for all the suggestions -- we found two valves in the back -- will continue to try different combs.
Jana

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM, GARY MINKER <"garym33407@yahoo.com"> wrote:

 


Front heat is a cavalcade of events.  You have gate valves on the engine that need to be open. There are magnetic valves that have to work to let hot water flow. There are 4 or more fuses that need to be good and a dash switch.  Then it helps if the booster pump works.  then once it all works, it won't shut off and cooks you in the summer time.  Oh did I mention you might have a winter/summer switch that may be wired wrong and open the wrong valve and run the wrong pump.

Gary
85 PT-40

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Jana Ewart <"janaquilts@gmail.com"> wrote:

From: Jana Ewart <"janaquilts@gmail.com">
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] heat while driving
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:55 PM


 


We are finally on the road "full-time" as of this morning.  It is cooooollllldddd up here in the north.  Can anyone give us some ideas how to get dash heat while going down the road?  We have the right vent and left vent closed, the front heat under the camera is all the way to heat -- but the right and left fan switches only blow cold air.  Is there another button or switch we need to turn on?  Thanks so much.

Jana (with ice cube feet)
89pt40wb
The Bird House is on the road!
Still in South Dakota

--
Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)






--
Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)

heat while driving - Curt Sprenger - 10-12-2009 14:48

Jana,

I needed to do some more investigation into the heating so did so the last day. Here is what I find. Hopefully this helps.


Gate Valve Operation - 1987 PT38 Your coach is most likely the same.

Five Gate Valves are located at the rear of the
coach.   

Two Valves are located on the street side at or
just forward at the 8V92 water pump. They control the coolant flow to Dash
Heat. In the open position they allow  heated coolant to flow to the dash heater. 

Two more valves…one is located forward of and below
the top of the rear bumper inside the frame rail. The other one is located curb
side of the 8V92 and the Thermostat housing. They control the coolant flow to
the chassis heaters, perhaps four heaters depending on year and length.

The 5th valve… is located curb side about shoulder
height just inside the engine room door. It seems to be for isolating the water
heater in the event of a blowout in the heat exchanger or if you are working on
the heater.

Keep us post as we learn as others.



Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA




On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Jana Ewart <"janaquilts@gmail.com"> wrote:
 


Thanks for all the suggestions -- we found two valves in the back -- will continue to try different combs.
Jana

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM, GARY MINKER <"garym33407@yahoo.com"> wrote:

 


Front heat is a cavalcade of events.  You have gate valves on the engine that need to be open. There are magnetic valves that have to work to let hot water flow. There are 4 or more fuses that need to be good and a dash switch.  Then it helps if the booster pump works.  then once it all works, it won't shut off and cooks you in the summer time.  Oh did I mention you might have a winter/summer switch that may be wired wrong and open the wrong valve and run the wrong pump.

Gary
85 PT-40

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Jana Ewart <"janaquilts@gmail.com"> wrote:

From: Jana Ewart <"janaquilts@gmail.com">
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] heat while driving

To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:55 PM


 


We are finally on the road "full-time" as of this morning.  It is cooooollllldddd up here in the north.  Can anyone give us some ideas how to get dash heat while going down the road?  We have the right vent and left vent closed, the front heat under the camera is all the way to heat -- but the right and left fan switches only blow cold air.  Is there another button or switch we need to turn on?  Thanks so much.

Jana (with ice cube feet)
89pt40wb
The Bird House is on the road!
Still in South Dakota

--
Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)






--
Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)




heat while driving - Don Bradner - 10-12-2009 15:58

If you do a search on "gate valves" here you will find my saga when my heat went
away. In that thread, a couple of people talked about the shaft corroding and
the gate dropping closed from gravity, and eventually that is what I found had
happened with one of mine.

On 10/12/2009 at 5:48 PM Jana Ewart wrote:

>Thanks for all the suggestions -- we found two valves in the back -- will
>continue to try different combs.
>Jana
>
>On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM, GARY MINKER wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Front heat is a cavalcade of events. You have gate valves on the
>engine
>> that need to be open. There are magnetic valves that have to work to let
>hot
>> water flow. There are 4 or more fuses that need to be good and a dash
>> switch. Then it helps if the booster pump works. then once it all
>works,
>> it won't shut off and cooks you in the summer time. Oh did I mention you
>> might have a winter/summer switch that may be wired wrong and open the
>wrong
>> valve and run the wrong pump.
>> Gary
>> 85 PT-40
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 10/10/09, Jana Ewart * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jana Ewart
>> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] heat while driving
>> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:55 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We are finally on the road "full-time" as of this morning. It is
>> cooooollllldddd up here in the north. Can anyone give us some ideas how
>to
>> get dash heat while going down the road? We have the right vent and left
>> vent closed, the front heat under the camera is all the way to heat --
>but
>> the right and left fan switches only blow cold air. Is there another
>button
>> or switch we need to turn on? Thanks so much.
>>
>> Jana (with ice cube feet)
>> 89pt40wb
>> The Bird House is on the road!
>> Still in South Dakota
>>
>> --
>> Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>--
>Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)

heat while driving - Wayne Kotila - 10-12-2009 16:30

Does anyone know where the gate valves are on a 1996 PT42 with a 60 series?
Wayne Kotila
1996 PT42


From: Curt Sprenger
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 9:48:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] heat while driving



Jana,

I needed to do some more investigation into the heating so did so the last day. Here is what I find. Hopefully this helps.


Gate Valve Operation - 1987 PT38 Your coach is most likely the same.

Five Gate Valves are located at the rear of the coach.

Two Valves are located on the street side at or just forward at the 8V92 water pump. They control the coolant flow to Dash Heat. In the open position they allow heated coolant to flow to the dash heater.

Two more valves…one is located forward of and below the top of the rear bumper inside the frame rail. The other one is located curb side of the 8V92 and the Thermostat housing. They control the coolant flow to the chassis heaters, perhaps four heaters depending on year and length.

The 5th valve… is located curb side about shoulder height just inside the engine room door. It seems to be for isolating the water heater in the event of a blowout in the heat exchanger or if you are working on the heater.

Keep us post as we learn as others.



Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA




On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Jana Ewart <"janaquilts@gmail.com"> wrote:



Thanks for all the suggestions -- we found two valves in the back -- will continue to try different combs.
Jana

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM, GARY MINKER <"garym33407@yahoo.com"> wrote:



Front heat is a cavalcade of events. You have gate valves on the engine that need to be open. There are magnetic valves that have to work to let hot water flow. There are 4 or more fuses that need to be good and a dash switch. Then it helps if the booster pump works. then once it all works, it won't shut off and cooks you in the summer time. Oh did I mention you might have a winter/summer switch that may be wired wrong and open the wrong valve and run the wrong pump.
Gary
85 PT-40

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Jana Ewart <"janaquilts@gmail.com"> wrote:

From: Jana Ewart <"janaquilts@gmail.com">
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] heat while driving
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:55 PM




We are finally on the road "full-time" as of this morning. It is cooooollllldddd up here in the north. Can anyone give us some ideas how to get dash heat while going down the road? We have the right vent and left vent closed, the front heat under the camera is all the way to heat -- but the right and left fan switches only blow cold air. Is there another button or switch we need to turn on? Thanks so much.

Jana (with ice cube feet)
89pt40wb
The Bird House is on the road!
Still in South Dakota

--
Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)






--
Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)



heat while driving - Curt Sprenger - 10-12-2009 17:00

Look for round 2+" that rotate either way. Could be ball vales instead of gate vales...look for handles vs. round handles. I'm not up to speed on the 60 series. But, my guess, BB plumbed the 60's basically the same as the 8V92.  Someone wil chime in with more info.


Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA




On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Wayne Kotila <"waynekotila@yahoo.com"> wrote:
 


Does anyone know where the gate valves are on a 1996 PT42 with a 60 series?
Wayne Kotila
1996 PT42


From: Curt Sprenger <"curtsprenger@gmail.com">
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 9:48:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] heat while driving

 


Jana,

I needed to do some more investigation into the heating so did so the last day. Here is what I find. Hopefully this helps.


Gate Valve Operation - 1987 PT38 Your coach is most likely the same.

Five Gate Valves are located at the rear of the coach.   

Two Valves are located on the street side at or just forward at the 8V92 water pump. They control the coolant flow to Dash Heat. In the open position they allow  heated coolant to flow to the dash heater. 

Two more valves…one is located forward of and below the top of the rear bumper inside the frame rail. The other one is located curb side of the 8V92 and the Thermostat housing. They control the coolant flow to the chassis heaters, perhaps four heaters depending on year and length.

The 5th valve… is located curb side about shoulder height just inside the engine room door. It seems to be for isolating the water heater in the event of a blowout in the heat exchanger or if you are working on the heater.

Keep us post as we learn as others.



Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA




On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Jana Ewart <"janaquilts@gmail.com"> wrote:

 


Thanks for all the suggestions -- we found two valves in the back -- will continue to try different combs.
Jana

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM, GARY MINKER <"garym33407@yahoo.com"> wrote:

 


Front heat is a cavalcade of events.  You have gate valves on the engine that need to be open. There are magnetic valves that have to work to let hot water flow. There are 4 or more fuses that need to be good and a dash switch.  Then it helps if the booster pump works.  then once it all works, it won't shut off and cooks you in the summer time.  Oh did I mention you might have a winter/summer switch that may be wired wrong and open the wrong valve and run the wrong pump.

Gary
85 PT-40

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Jana Ewart <"janaquilts@gmail.com"> wrote:

From: Jana Ewart <"janaquilts@gmail.com">
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] heat while driving

To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:55 PM


 


We are finally on the road "full-time" as of this morning.  It is cooooollllldddd up here in the north.  Can anyone give us some ideas how to get dash heat while going down the road?  We have the right vent and left vent closed, the front heat under the camera is all the way to heat -- but the right and left fan switches only blow cold air.  Is there another button or switch we need to turn on?  Thanks so much.

Jana (with ice cube feet)
89pt40wb
The Bird House is on the road!
Still in South Dakota

--
Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)






--
Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord. (Psalm 144:15)