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Air leaking from front when brakes applied - ppotter14950 - 10-25-2009 15:38 Hi there Today while finishing up Air Force One supplemental braking install for towed vehicle, had engine off and when applied brakes to test Air Force One and while pedal was depressed there was a constant air leak up front around the left front area, but could not find it. Any suggestions on where it might be, will work on taking front driver side panel open and looking in there, but it is so tight in there and i dont know what i am looking for so any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Paul & Debbie Potter 87PT40 - Hotel California II Hesperia CA Air leaking from front when brakes applied - Don Bradner - 10-25-2009 16:01 Are you able to see the line that comes from the frame to the brakes? I ask because I've had it cut into after the upper shock mount tore free, and the only easy way to see without taking off the wheel was with a small camera, reaching in above the tire and taking pictures. On 10/26/2009 at 2:38 AM ppotter14950 wrote: >Hi there > >Today while finishing up Air Force One supplemental braking install for >towed vehicle, had engine off and when applied brakes to test Air Force >One and while pedal was depressed there was a constant air leak up front >around the left front area, but could not find it. Any suggestions on >where it might be, will work on taking front driver side panel open and >looking in there, but it is so tight in there and i dont know what i am >looking for so any suggestions would be appreciated. > >Thanks > >Paul & Debbie Potter >87PT40 - Hotel California II >Hesperia CA > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Air leaking from front when brakes applied - P & D - 10-25-2009 16:03 I did not see it, but that is a great idea, I will try that. Thanks Paul From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Are you able to see the line that comes from the frame to the brakes? I ask because I've had it cut into after the upper shock mount tore free, and the only easy way to see without taking off the wheel was with a small camera, reaching in above the tire and taking pictures. On 10/26/2009 at 2:38 AM ppotter14950 wrote: >Hi there > >Today while finishing up Air Force One supplemental braking install for >towed vehicle, had engine off and when applied brakes to test Air Force >One and while pedal was depressed there was a constant air leak up front >around the left front area, but could not find it. Any suggestions on >where it might be, will work on taking front driver side panel open and >looking in there, but it is so tight in there and i dont know what i am >looking for so any suggestions would be appreciated. > >Thanks > >Paul & Debbie Potter >87PT40 - Hotel California II >Hesperia CA > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Air leaking from front when brakes applied - gregory O - 10-26-2009 02:44 easier to find leaks with wet or soapy wet fingers. careful poking around under the front end, tugging on air lines unless you have the front end blocked up. also remember the front steps are air retracted/extended and propmted to extend automatically when the air is depleted to ?a set psi. When I crawl under my bus, I look to drop a block or something under a solid frame support as a landing spot for the falling truck, I usually don't block it up, but always find a larger than me obstacle for it to fall on. Working on the steps I put a block of wood in the mechanics (between the pivots) while it was extended. Greg 94ptca --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ppotter14950" > > Hi there > > Today while finishing up Air Force One supplemental braking install for towed vehicle, had engine off and when applied brakes to test Air Force One and while pedal was depressed there was a constant air leak up front around the left front area, but could not find it. Any suggestions on where it might be, will work on taking front driver side panel open and looking in there, but it is so tight in there and i dont know what i am looking for so any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Paul & Debbie Potter > 87PT40 - Hotel California II > Hesperia CA > Air leaking from front when brakes applied - Ernie Ekberg - 10-26-2009 03:04
Air leaking from front when brakes applied - Wayne Kotila - 10-26-2009 09:56 Did you check the rubber hoses to the front brakes? When you step on the brake pedal air pressureapplies your front brakes so you will have air pressure in the supply hoses tountil you take your foot off the brake pedal. Sometimes from age those hoses will start leaking where the end is crimped on the hose and if you need to replace them, a farm supply store will carry high pressure hydraulic hose in differentdiameters and lengths and have different end adapters to convert the end connector to what you need. You should be able to get a new hose and adapters if needed for under $20.00.
Wayne
1996 WB42
From: ppotter14950 To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 9:38:25 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Air leaking from front when brakes applied Hi there Today while finishing up Air Force One supplemental braking install for towed vehicle, had engine off and when applied brakes to test Air Force One and while pedal was depressed there was a constant air leak up front around the left front area, but could not find it. Any suggestions on where it might be, will work on taking front driver side panel open and looking in there, but it is so tight in there and i dont know what i am looking for so any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Paul & Debbie Potter 87PT40 - Hotel California II Hesperia CA Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Air leaking from front when brakes applied - P & D - 10-31-2009 11:35 Thanks you all for the assistance. Got some help today and we Hope all that made sense, but it appears that is normal Thanks again for all the help Paul & Debbie Potter Hesperia CA 1987 PT 38 Hotel California II From: Did Wayne 1996 From: ppotter14950 Hi there Today while finishing up Air Force One supplemental braking install for towed vehicle, had engine off and when applied brakes to test Air Force One and while pedal was depressed there was a constant air leak up front around the left front area, but could not find it. Any suggestions on where it might be, will work on taking front driver side panel open and looking in there, but it is so tight in there and i dont know what i am looking for so any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Paul & Debbie Potter 87PT40 - Hotel California II Hesperia CA
Air leaking from front when brakes applied - Curt Sprenger - 11-01-2009 10:10 Paul, What you found and determined does not seem right. Post pictures if you can. I looked under our coach this afternoon. I see a 1/8" plastic air line to the cylinder that rotates down the driving light. Above that area on the bottom of the frame rail there are some copper and plastic air lines. None are open as you describe. ÃÂ Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing" Anaheim Hills, CA On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:35 PM, P & D <"audvid1@gte.net"> wrote:
Air leaking from front when brakes applied - gregory O - 11-01-2009 15:21 it is the anti compouning valve blowing air ?? when the spring brake is left pushing (park brake on) and someone pushes on the service brakes, the valve proportions the pressure working the cams on the axle that hold the spring brakes so there is not too much pressure on the shoes. if the valve is crapped out you get broken shoes with no sign of heat that made the cracks . to keep from giving a lecture then getting a lecture from the mods, check out page 27 of Bendix handbook http://www.wsafc.org/WSFMA/Shared%20Documents1/Bendix%20Air%20Brake%20Handbook.pdf here is a good video of the principles of AB without much of the new safety crap confusing the process it is from 1967 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJa5-_ExsBE Greg 94ptca --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger > > Paul, > > What you found and determined does not seem right. Post pictures if you can. > I looked under our coach this afternoon. I see a 1/8" plastic air line to > the cylinder that rotates down the driving light. Above that area on the > bottom of the frame rail there are some copper and plastic air lines. None > are open as you describe. > > Curt Sprenger > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing" > Anaheim Hills, CA > > > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:35 PM, P & D audvid1@... wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks you all for the assistance. Got some help today and we climbed > > under coach and found a ü air line on the driver side front right behind the > > fog lights that when you step on the brakes air comes out of that line and > > as soon as let off it stops. After looking at drawings and trying to figure > > out where the other end should be connected, by accident we discovered that > > if you plug the hose, the coach emergency brake released. (Good thing we > > are on a level lot) and if you un plug it, the emergency brakes stay > > locked. Then we tried it with the emergency brake released and no air came > > out, so I think it is releasing the air bypassing the emergency brake so as > > to not release the emergency brake. > > > > > > > > Hope all that made sense, but it appears that is normal operation, although > > I never recall hearing that noise before when I stepped on the brake. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for all the help > > > > > > > > Paul & Debbie Potter > > > > Hesperia CA > > > > 1987 PT 38 > > > > Hotel California II > > > > > > > > *From:* WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > > WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Wayne Kotila > > *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2009 1:56 PM > > *To:* WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Air leaking from front when brakes > > applied > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you check the rubber hoses to the front brakes? When you step on the > > brake pedal air pressure applies your front brakes so you will have air > > pressure in the supply hoses to until you take your foot off the brake > > pedal. Sometimes from age those hoses will start leaking where the end is > > crimped on the hose and if you need to replace them, a farm supply store > > will carry high pressure hydraulic hose in different diameters and lengths > > and have different end adapters to convert the end connector to what you > > need. You should be able to get a new hose and adapters if needed for under > > $20.00. > > > > Wayne > > > > 1996 WB42 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* ppotter14950 audvid1@... > > *To:* WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > *Sent:* Sun, October 25, 2009 9:38:25 PM > > *Subject:* [WanderlodgeForum] Air leaking from front when brakes applied > > > > > > > > Hi there > > > > Today while finishing up Air Force One supplemental braking install for > > towed vehicle, had engine off and when applied brakes to test Air Force One > > and while pedal was depressed there was a constant air leak up front around > > the left front area, but could not find it. Any suggestions on where it > > might be, will work on taking front driver side panel open and looking in > > there, but it is so tight in there and i dont know what i am looking for so > > any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > Paul & Debbie Potter > > 87PT40 - Hotel California II > > Hesperia CA > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > Air leaking from front when brakes applied - Curt Sprenger - 11-01-2009 16:01 Greg, Good information for sure, thanks! Do you know the BlueBird name for that compounding valve? Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing" Anaheim Hills, CA On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:21 PM, gregory O <"greg@rainbowrv.com"> wrote:
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