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Hose life and death - George F. VerDuin - 11-14-2012 05:04
Hi.
I wonder if we can discuss hoses? Hydraulic and air hoses. In the past
year I've had three hose failures on my 1995 BMC-37 built on a MM series
Spartan chassis. It's been kinda expensive to replace a total of seven
hoses after four hoses had to be destroyed while getting access to the
three failures that have become darn near permanent due to seizing.
Mostly though, it has been highly inconvenient and irritating to pause
long enough for the mechanical repair at random moments of travel.
I pretty much understand the arithmetic of 2012 - 1995 years of service
the hoses have given, and nothing lives forever. I am also resigned to
"Suck it up..." as an approach to repair. But there is a common thread
to these failures in my case: vibration, abrasion, and mounting
hardware. All three hoses failed at a point where mounting brackets
held the hose mid-way between start and end. None of the hoses appeared
to have failed of old age and just punky.
So the above situation leads me to think about a review of all the hoses
and wires on the rig. I expect I might find numerous places where
abrasion has begun but not reached failure yet. Perhaps further
abrasion might be avoided by revising just how hoses are hung. I
suspect there are "rules" about support like "No hose should be straight
between two successive hangers" [a bend permits hose flex to relieve any
pressure between vibrating hangers]. I wonder if the labor to prevent
further failure is less than just fixing a broken hose after failure.
This is where I hope others might chime in with personal experience. I
have owned Bird for just over one year and like her a lot. But three
hoses a year seems excessive to me.
Is "hoses" a reasonable topic?
Thanks everybody.
Geo.
Hose life and death - Markus Meyer - 11-14-2012 05:43
Geo,
I agree that vibration and chafing are two big enemies to hose life and longevity. So is age and heat. For example, the compressor coolant hoses run hot coolant from them and sit above the engine in a high heat area. I don't care if its 20 yrs old and only has 50K miles. Age beats mileage.
I just replaced all hoses on a 1995 car with only 50K miles, due to age. They were all hard and starting to seep. Figured I'd catch it before I have an issue. I believe in the idea of x miles or y years, whatever comes first. I also had some hydraulic lines leak on my Bird due to rubbing against things they shouldn't have rubbed against. I made sure upon replacement to reinforce them with extra "covers" and check regularly to make sure nothing funny is going on.
My motto is check frequently, replace on regular intervals and hopefully all will be well. I'd rather work at my time and leisure than side of the road problem.
Markus
Markus
86 PT40
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Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Hose life and death
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:04:01 -0500
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Hose life and death
Hi.
I wonder if we can discuss hoses? Hydraulic and air hoses. In the past
year I've had three hose failures on my 1995 BMC-37 built on a MM series
Spartan chassis. It's been kinda expensive to replace a total of seven
hoses after four hoses had to be destroyed while getting access to the
three failures that have become darn near permanent due to seizing.
Mostly though, it has been highly inconvenient and irritating to pause
long enough for the mechanical repair at random moments of travel.
I pretty much understand the arithmetic of 2012 - 1995 years of service
the hoses have given, and nothing lives forever. I am also resigned to
"Suck it up..." as an approach to repair. But there is a common thread
to these failures in my case: vibration, abrasion, and mounting
hardware. All three hoses failed at a point where mounting brackets
held the hose mid-way between start and end. None of the hoses appeared
to have failed of old age and just punky.
So the above situation leads me to think about a review of all the hoses
and wires on the rig. I expect I might find numerous places where
abrasion has begun but not reached failure yet. Perhaps further
abrasion might be avoided by revising just how hoses are hung. I
suspect there are "rules" about support like "No hose should be straight
between two successive hangers" [a bend permits hose flex to relieve any
pressure between vibrating hangers]. I wonder if the labor to prevent
further failure is less than just fixing a broken hose after failure.
This is where I hope others might chime in with personal experience. I
have owned Bird for just over one year and like her a lot. But three
hoses a year seems excessive to me.
Is "hoses" a reasonable topic?
Thanks everybody.
Geo.
I wonder if we can discuss hoses? Hydraulic and air hoses. In the past
year I've had three hose failures on my 1995 BMC-37 built on a MM series
Spartan chassis. It's been kinda expensive to replace a total of seven
hoses after four hoses had to be destroyed while getting access to the
three failures that have become darn near permanent due to seizing.
Mostly though, it has been highly inconvenient and irritating to pause
long enough for the mechanical repair at random moments of travel.
I pretty much understand the arithmetic of 2012 - 1995 years of service
the hoses have given, and nothing lives forever. I am also resigned to
"Suck it up..." as an approach to repair. But there is a common thread
to these failures in my case: vibration, abrasion, and mounting
hardware. All three hoses failed at a point where mounting brackets
held the hose mid-way between start and end. None of the hoses appeared
to have failed of old age and just punky.
So the above situation leads me to think about a review of all the hoses
and wires on the rig. I expect I might find numerous places where
abrasion has begun but not reached failure yet. Perhaps further
abrasion might be avoided by revising just how hoses are hung. I
suspect there are "rules" about support like "No hose should be straight
between two successive hangers" [a bend permits hose flex to relieve any
pressure between vibrating hangers]. I wonder if the labor to prevent
further failure is less than just fixing a broken hose after failure.
This is where I hope others might chime in with personal experience. I
have owned Bird for just over one year and like her a lot. But three
hoses a year seems excessive to me.
Is "hoses" a reasonable topic?
Thanks everybody.
Geo.
Hose life and death - Ernie Ekberg - 11-14-2012 10:50
George, anything in regards to fixing a coach is right on topic. I know when I bought out 88 last year, We replaced the air compressor, and brake line hoses.
Its impossible to guess if the PO had abused the coach prior to your purchase. If you go back with the best hoses you can buy, then you should be good for quite a while.
Ernie Ekberg
88 PT40 Wanderlodge
Weatherford, Texas
817-475-3991
From: George F. VerDuin
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Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Hose life and death
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:04 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Hose life and death
Hi.
I wonder if we can discuss hoses? Hydraulic and air hoses. In the past
year I've had three hose failures on my 1995 BMC-37 built on a MM series
Spartan chassis. It's been kinda expensive to replace a total of seven
hoses after four hoses had to be destroyed while getting access to the
three failures that have become darn near permanent due to seizing.
Mostly though, it has been highly inconvenient and irritating to pause
long enough for the mechanical repair at random moments of travel.
I pretty much understand the arithmetic of 2012 - 1995 years of service
the hoses have given, and nothing lives forever. I am also resigned to
"Suck it up..." as an approach to repair. But there is a common thread
to these failures in my case: vibration, abrasion, and mounting
hardware. All three hoses failed at a point where mounting brackets
held the hose mid-way between start and end. None of the hoses appeared
to have failed of old age and just punky.
So the above situation leads me to think about a review of all the hoses
and wires on the rig. I expect I might find numerous places where
abrasion has begun but not reached failure yet. Perhaps further
abrasion might be avoided by revising just how hoses are hung. I
suspect there are "rules" about support like "No hose should be straight
between two successive hangers" [a bend permits hose flex to relieve any
pressure between vibrating hangers]. I wonder if the labor to prevent
further failure is less than just fixing a broken hose after failure.
This is where I hope others might chime in with personal experience. I
have owned Bird for just over one year and like her a lot. But three
hoses a year seems excessive to me.
Is "hoses" a reasonable topic?
Thanks everybody.
Geo.
I wonder if we can discuss hoses? Hydraulic and air hoses. In the past
year I've had three hose failures on my 1995 BMC-37 built on a MM series
Spartan chassis. It's been kinda expensive to replace a total of seven
hoses after four hoses had to be destroyed while getting access to the
three failures that have become darn near permanent due to seizing.
Mostly though, it has been highly inconvenient and irritating to pause
long enough for the mechanical repair at random moments of travel.
I pretty much understand the arithmetic of 2012 - 1995 years of service
the hoses have given, and nothing lives forever. I am also resigned to
"Suck it up..." as an approach to repair. But there is a common thread
to these failures in my case: vibration, abrasion, and mounting
hardware. All three hoses failed at a point where mounting brackets
held the hose mid-way between start and end. None of the hoses appeared
to have failed of old age and just punky.
So the above situation leads me to think about a review of all the hoses
and wires on the rig. I expect I might find numerous places where
abrasion has begun but not reached failure yet. Perhaps further
abrasion might be avoided by revising just how hoses are hung. I
suspect there are "rules" about support like "No hose should be straight
between two successive hangers" [a bend permits hose flex to relieve any
pressure between vibrating hangers]. I wonder if the labor to prevent
further failure is less than just fixing a broken hose after failure.
This is where I hope others might chime in with personal experience. I
have owned Bird for just over one year and like her a lot. But three
hoses a year seems excessive to me.
Is "hoses" a reasonable topic?
Thanks everybody.
Geo.