Over heating -- cause found

[erniecarpet@...]

Jimmy- the Wanderlodge Pete has comes with the side radiator. The SP's have
the rear and the FC's have the front.We have an oil cooler in front of the
radiator on the PT's and I suspect the newer coaches may be arranged that way,
also.?


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[dspithaler@...]

Pete My 89 SP was collecting a lot of oily dirt on the rad & after cooler
rad & I read on line that you could extend the breather tube that comes down
from the engine to the rear of the coach. After a couple of years of really
cleaning my rad that I had recored right I bought it I ran the pipe to the
rear curb side last summer. I have my rad open right now & I will wash it but
it really doesn't need it. No oily dirt on it.
Don
89 SP 36'
Butler, PA




On the way home with my new-to-me 'bird at the end of May, I was
concerned about it running on the "hot" end of the safe zone during a
couple of legs of the trip ... and having significant overheating
problems on the grades outside Salt Lake City coming west on I-80 in
Nevada in 92 degree weather.

Finally got my 'bird into a radiator shop and discovered that 35 to
40 percent of the radiator was completely plugged by a mixture of oil
and dirt -- turning it practically into concrete. This has been a
frequently reported problem with DD 6Vxx and 8Vxx engines (noted for
tossing a bit of oil around) ... but (apparently) the Series 60 isn't
immune either.

What is a particular concern is that inspection of the radiator while
it was in the vehicle did not reveal the blockage. Due to shrouds, AC
evaporator, etc., the view of the area outside the center portion
(where the fan spins) can't be seen (at least I couldn't see it
clearly). The center area (where the fan spins) was open and clear (a
bright light was clearly visible looking through the radiator). The
fan seems to pull the crud out of that area, but there isn't enough
air pressure outside the immediate area of the fan to keep other
portions of the radiator clear.

I suspect that all the pusher models are prone to this problem. I
don't know if it's unique to my model BB or if others have better
access to their radiators -- but the caution is to make cleaning the
radiator and checking to be sure that it isn't clogged with the oil-
dust "cement" as a regular part of annual maintenance.

Since it required pulling the radiator to find the problem, I'm going
ahead and replacing the core with a more modern/effective design
(this is a big bucks project) so I hope to not have further heating
problems for awhile.

Pete Masterson
_aeonix1@..._ (mailto:aeonix1@...)









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[Pete Masterson]

On the way home with my new-to-me 'bird at the end of May, I was
concerned about it running on the "hot" end of the safe zone during a
couple of legs of the trip ... and having significant overheating
problems on the grades outside Salt Lake City coming west on I-80 in
Nevada in 92 degree weather.

Finally got my 'bird into a radiator shop and discovered that 35 to
40 percent of the radiator was completely plugged by a mixture of oil
and dirt -- turning it practically into concrete. This has been a
frequently reported problem with DD 6Vxx and 8Vxx engines (noted for
tossing a bit of oil around) ... but (apparently) the Series 60 isn't
immune either.

What is a particular concern is that inspection of the radiator while
it was in the vehicle did not reveal the blockage. Due to shrouds, AC
evaporator, etc., the view of the area outside the center portion
(where the fan spins) can't be seen (at least I couldn't see it
clearly). The center area (where the fan spins) was open and clear (a
bright light was clearly visible looking through the radiator). The
fan seems to pull the crud out of that area, but there isn't enough
air pressure outside the immediate area of the fan to keep other
portions of the radiator clear.

I suspect that all the pusher models are prone to this problem. I
don't know if it's unique to my model BB or if others have better
access to their radiators -- but the caution is to make cleaning the
radiator and checking to be sure that it isn't clogged with the oil-
dust "cement" as a regular part of annual maintenance.

Since it required pulling the radiator to find the problem, I'm going
ahead and replacing the core with a more modern/effective design
(this is a big bucks project) so I hope to not have further heating
problems for awhile.

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Bluebird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
El Sobrante, CA






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[The Squires]

Pete,

I have been reading about Wanderlodges for a while and do not own one, but I
can dream. But this topic comes up quite often on the Diesel RV Yahoo users
group. Some pushers (like my '97 with a Cummins ISB) have the radiator in
the back behind the engine and some radiators are on the side of the RV
beside the engine. I have wondered about the Wanderlodges on this issue for
sometime. I take it from your description, you is at the back which is
prone to picking up road film. Keeping this back radiators clean is
difficult. The other group suggests spraying with Simple Green and let it
soak for a while then pressure wash from the back side (toward the engine)
to blow it out.

All,

Are some new Wanderlodges side radiators? What year did they change?

Thanks,
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Pete Masterson
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:39 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com; wanderlodge@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Over heating -- cause found


On the way home with my new-to-me 'bird at the end of May, I was
concerned about it running on the "hot" end of the safe zone during a
couple of legs of the trip ... and having significant overheating
problems on the grades outside Salt Lake City coming west on I-80 in
Nevada in 92 degree weather.

Finally got my 'bird into a radiator shop and discovered that 35 to
40 percent of the radiator was completely plugged by a mixture of oil
and dirt -- turning it practically into concrete. This has been a
frequently reported problem with DD 6Vxx and 8Vxx engines (noted for
tossing a bit of oil around) ... but (apparently) the Series 60 isn't
immune either.

What is a particular concern is that inspection of the radiator while
it was in the vehicle did not reveal the blockage. Due to shrouds, AC
evaporator, etc., the view of the area outside the center portion
(where the fan spins) can't be seen (at least I couldn't see it
clearly). The center area (where the fan spins) was open and clear (a
bright light was clearly visible looking through the radiator). The
fan seems to pull the crud out of that area, but there isn't enough
air pressure outside the immediate area of the fan to keep other
portions of the radiator clear.

I suspect that all the pusher models are prone to this problem. I
don't know if it's unique to my model BB or if others have better
access to their radiators -- but the caution is to make cleaning the
radiator and checking to be sure that it isn't clogged with the oil-
dust "cement" as a regular part of annual maintenance.

Since it required pulling the radiator to find the problem, I'm going
ahead and replacing the core with a more modern/effective design
(this is a big bucks project) so I hope to not have further heating
problems for awhile.

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Bluebird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
El Sobrante, CA

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[dspithaler@...]

Pete
That seemed to keep the toad cleaner too. Except in sloppy weather like when
I left here last winter.
Don 89 SP 36' Butler, PA




Don,

That's a great tip .... I'll see if I can do the same thing... be
nice if I could run an extension right past the toad!

Pete Masterson
_aeonix1@..._ (mailto:aeonix1@...)
'95 Bluebird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
El Sobrante, CA

On Sep 7, 2006, at 6:19 PM, _dspithaler@..._ (mailto:dspithaler@...)
wrote:

>
> Pete My 89 SP was collecting a lot of oily dirt on the rad &
> after cooler
> rad & I read on line that you could extend the breather tube that
> comes down









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[Pete Masterson]

No... the Wanderlodge pushers have the radiator to the left side (as
you face toward the front) -- since the beginning as far as I know..
Of course the FC units have the radiator in the front. DD 6vxx and
8vxx engines are noted for small oil leaks and mist, so any road dust
gets mixed with the oil and starts to coat the radiator.

The simple green - pressure wash idea is probably a good one (almost
any detergent that's gentle on aluminum would do). However, it is a
procedure that should be started early ... after eleven years of
accumulation (as in my case) has occurred, a jack-hammer is probably
a better tool.

With the radiator out of my coach, you can see that the engine,
particularly on the radiator side, is also coated with a fair amount
of the oil-dirt crud. The radiator shop will steam clean everything
before reassembly.

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Bluebird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
El Sobrante, CA




On Sep 7, 2006, at 3:42 PM, The Squires wrote:

> Pete,
>
> I have been reading about Wanderlodges for a while and do not own
> one, but I
> can dream. But this topic comes up quite often on the Diesel RV
> Yahoo users
> group. Some pushers (like my '97 with a Cummins ISB) have the
> radiator in
> the back behind the engine and some radiators are on the side of
> the RV
> beside the engine. I have wondered about the Wanderlodges on this
> issue for
> sometime. I take it from your description, you is at the back
> which is
> prone to picking up road film. Keeping this back radiators clean is
> difficult. The other group suggests spraying with Simple Green and
> let it
> soak for a while then pressure wash from the back side (toward the
> engine)
> to blow it out.
>
> All,
>
> Are some new Wanderlodges side radiators? What year did they change?
>
> Thanks,
> Jimmy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Pete Masterson
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:39 PM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com; wanderlodge@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Over heating -- cause found
>
>
> On the way home with my new-to-me 'bird at the end of May, I was
> concerned about it running on the "hot" end of the safe zone
> during a
> couple of legs of the trip ... and having significant overheating
> problems on the grades outside Salt Lake City coming west on I-80 in
> Nevada in 92 degree weather.
>
> Finally got my 'bird into a radiator shop and discovered that 35 to
> 40 percent of the radiator was completely plugged by a mixture of
> oil
> and dirt -- turning it practically into concrete. This has been a
> frequently reported problem with DD 6Vxx and 8Vxx engines (noted for
> tossing a bit of oil around) ... but (apparently) the Series 60
> isn't
> immune either.
>
> What is a particular concern is that inspection of the radiator
> while
> it was in the vehicle did not reveal the blockage. Due to
> shrouds, AC
> evaporator, etc., the view of the area outside the center portion
> (where the fan spins) can't be seen (at least I couldn't see it
> clearly). The center area (where the fan spins) was open and
> clear (a
> bright light was clearly visible looking through the radiator). The
> fan seems to pull the crud out of that area, but there isn't enough
> air pressure outside the immediate area of the fan to keep other
> portions of the radiator clear.
>
> I suspect that all the pusher models are prone to this problem. I
> don't know if it's unique to my model BB or if others have better
> access to their radiators -- but the caution is to make cleaning the
> radiator and checking to be sure that it isn't clogged with the oil-
> dust "cement" as a regular part of annual maintenance.
>
> Since it required pulling the radiator to find the problem, I'm
> going
> ahead and replacing the core with a more modern/effective design
> (this is a big bucks project) so I hope to not have further heating
> problems for awhile.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> '95 Bluebird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> El Sobrante, CA
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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[Pete Masterson]

Don,

That's a great tip .... I'll see if I can do the same thing... be
nice if I could run an extension right past the toad!

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Bluebird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
El Sobrante, CA




On Sep 7, 2006, at 6:19 PM, dspithaler@... wrote:

>
> Pete My 89 SP was collecting a lot of oily dirt on the rad &
> after cooler
> rad & I read on line that you could extend the breather tube that
> comes down
> from the engine to the rear of the coach. After a couple of years
> of really
> cleaning my rad that I had recored right I bought it I ran the
> pipe to the
> rear curb side last summer. I have my rad open right now & I will
> wash it but
> it really doesn't need it. No oily dirt on it.
> Don
> 89 SP 36'
> Butler, PA
>



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[Henry Jay Hannigan]

---DON:
I extended my pipe on my 90 SP 36 also so my radiator stays clean!
An easy task; rubber hose and PVC to the hitch prevents anything
from getting into the radiator.
To me, the SP is an early version of the M380 only with a SIDE DOOR.
I have one cherry 90SP36 FOR SALE if someone wants a great coach,
ready to go with no 10-20K$$$$ to put into it...or if u know
someone who wants a "ready to go" 80FC31 with NO 10-20K$$$ needed to
fix it, then have them EMAIL me.....the 80 bird is with me in
Florida and the 90SP is chillin in Vegas...I am leaving for
AustRALIA IN late October. Hurry! Thanks.
Regards & LOL
Hank Hannigan
90sp36
80fc31

PS the other day, I forgot to add Ralphs name to the "check out"
crew for anyone looking at a bird..sorry Ralph F.........also there
are other forum members capable of checking out a bird and giving an
opinion to a "NEWBY" buyer.




In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, dspithaler@... wrote:
>
>
> Pete My 89 SP was collecting a lot of oily dirt on the rad &
after cooler
> rad & I read on line that you could extend the breather tube that
comes down
> from the engine to the rear of the coach. After a couple of years
of really
> cleaning my rad that I had recored right I bought it I ran the
pipe to the
> rear curb side last summer. I have my rad open right now & I will
wash it but
> it really doesn't need it. No oily dirt on it.
> Don
> 89 SP 36'
> Butler, PA
>
>
>
>
> On the way home with my new-to-me 'bird at the end of May, I was
> concerned about it running on the "hot" end of the safe zone
during a
> couple of legs of the trip ... and having significant overheating
> problems on the grades outside Salt Lake City coming west on I-80
in
> Nevada in 92 degree weather.
>
> Finally got my 'bird into a radiator shop and discovered that 35
to
> 40 percent of the radiator was completely plugged by a mixture of
oil
> and dirt -- turning it practically into concrete. This has been a
> frequently reported problem with DD 6Vxx and 8Vxx engines (noted
for
> tossing a bit of oil around) ... but (apparently) the Series 60
isn't
> immune either.
>
> What is a particular concern is that inspection of the radiator
while
> it was in the vehicle did not reveal the blockage. Due to
shrouds, AC
> evaporator, etc., the view of the area outside the center portion
> (where the fan spins) can't be seen (at least I couldn't see it
> clearly). The center area (where the fan spins) was open and
clear (a
> bright light was clearly visible looking through the radiator).
The
> fan seems to pull the crud out of that area, but there isn't
enough
> air pressure outside the immediate area of the fan to keep other
> portions of the radiator clear.
>
> I suspect that all the pusher models are prone to this problem. I
> don't know if it's unique to my model BB or if others have better
> access to their radiators -- but the caution is to make cleaning
the
> radiator and checking to be sure that it isn't clogged with the
oil-
> dust "cement" as a regular part of annual maintenance.
>
> Since it required pulling the radiator to find the problem, I'm
going
> ahead and replacing the core with a more modern/effective design
> (this is a big bucks project) so I hope to not have further
heating
> problems for awhile.
>
> Pete Masterson
> _aeonix1@..._ (mailto:aeonix1@...)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

[Gregory OConnor]

Pete, after reading your post I inspectd my radiator (94pt8V92)and
was not able to get a good look at the Fins. as you posted, many
things are in the way. After night fall I placed a shop light bulb
between the shroud and the radiator ( from engine compartment). I
was then able to get a very good inspection of the fins by viewing
the light through the radiator vent door.the parimiter is dirty but
no blockage. I plan on washing it up using laundry detergent ( Arial
in plastic bag). dont forget to replace your R cap or test it for
rated opening. his will keep you from having leaks with high
pressure and keep you from cutting hoses by over tension on clamps
Gregory O'Connor
94ptRomoland Ca-

-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> On the way home with my new-to-me 'bird at the end of May, I was
> concerned about it running on the "hot" end of the safe zone during
a
> couple of legs of the trip ... and having significant overheating
> problems on the grades outside Salt Lake City coming west on I-80
in
> Nevada in 92 degree weather.
>
> Finally got my 'bird into a radiator shop and discovered that 35
to
> 40 percent of the radiator was completely plugged by a mixture of
oil
> and dirt -- turning it practically into concrete. This has been a
> frequently reported problem with DD 6Vxx and 8Vxx engines (noted
for
> tossing a bit of oil around) ... but (apparently) the Series 60
isn't
> immune either.
>
> What is a particular concern is that inspection of the radiator
while
> it was in the vehicle did not reveal the blockage. Due to shrouds,
AC
> evaporator, etc., the view of the area outside the center portion
> (where the fan spins) can't be seen (at least I couldn't see it
> clearly). The center area (where the fan spins) was open and clear
(a
> bright light was clearly visible looking through the radiator).
The
> fan seems to pull the crud out of that area, but there isn't
enough
> air pressure outside the immediate area of the fan to keep other
> portions of the radiator clear.
>
> I suspect that all the pusher models are prone to this problem. I
> don't know if it's unique to my model BB or if others have better
> access to their radiators -- but the caution is to make cleaning
the
> radiator and checking to be sure that it isn't clogged with the oil-

> dust "cement" as a regular part of annual maintenance.
>
> Since it required pulling the radiator to find the problem, I'm
going
> ahead and replacing the core with a more modern/effective design
> (this is a big bucks project) so I hope to not have further
heating
> problems for awhile.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> '95 Bluebird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> El Sobrante, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>