Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines???

[ssyd1]

I started adding STP to my fuel after a long discussion on this same
topic a few months back. Any comments? Should I stop? Anyone else
use STP? Mario 1985FC35 Leucadia CA.

-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> Ernie, I just got stopped by a random check 10-12-2006 in a dump
truck.
> they put a glass straw in the fuel put a thumb on the end and draw
out
> a sample. I use ATF and it did not show them any concern about
reddye
> indication. it was interesting that my license plates did not
match
> the registration and that was not an issue for a ticket, but a
minor
> exhaust leak was.
> Greg
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote:
> >
> > I have heard of folks getting stopped and the highway patrol
checking
> their
> > fuel for red dye. Of course, in ALL my travels- have never
witnessed
> that. But-
> > would the ATF have the same dye effect as off road diesel? Just
> curious.
> >
> > Ernie Ekberg
> > 83 PT40
> > Livingston, Montana
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[Bruce Morris]

Bruce, It was on the BP Web Site. Here is one of the answers they give.

Additionally they say that they have been selling it in CA under the ARCO brand
as "ECD" since 2002 and have 140 retail locations where it has been sold.

"ARCO and BP have performed extensive trials using ULSD with diesel vehicles
retrofitted with particulate filters. From 1999 through 2003, 72 retrofitted
trucks accumulated over 17 million miles with ULSD in sponsored test programs.
This includes 30 tanker trucks from the ARCO distribution fleet accumulating
over 7 million miles plus vehicles in applications ranging from grocery
distribution to refuse hauling, school buses and metropolitan transit buses. In
this time, four particulate filters were cleaned in preparation for emissions
testing and one transit bus filter plugged due to a faulty fuel injector. Most
of the filters have lasted the life of the vehicle without any cleaning
required."

They have a number of questions and answers. http://www.bp.com will get you
there.

Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
Webmaster - WOO (http://www.wanderlodge.us)
1983 WL FC35RB

FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
----- Original Message -----
From: birdshill123
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:41 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines???


It is amazing how a thread can change. Now we have conspiracy theories
as to why they changed the fuel ??? Bruce Morris: Where did you read
that ULSD was being used for the last 6 years in some fleets.?It is my
understanding that until 2006 there were no refineries capable of
producing this fuel. Unless they brought it from Europe. Please correct
me if I am wrong. As for the posts about biodiesel: If you were to
really invetsigate how much energy is expended to gather the oil and
truck it to a refinery and then have to truck it to the stations one
would soon see that it is a waste of energy. It cannot enter the
pipelines. Same thing applies to Corn Fuel in the Midwest. One big
hoax. It does nothing to save energy as it contains less BTU's and you
burn more fuel!!

Bruce
1988 FC35





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mike Hohnstein]

Just use the ATF.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: ssyd1
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:27 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines???


I started adding STP to my fuel after a long discussion on this same
topic a few months back. Any comments? Should I stop? Anyone else
use STP? Mario 1985FC35 Leucadia CA.

-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> Ernie, I just got stopped by a random check 10-12-2006 in a dump
truck.
> they put a glass straw in the fuel put a thumb on the end and draw
out
> a sample. I use ATF and it did not show them any concern about
reddye
> indication. it was interesting that my license plates did not
match
> the registration and that was not an issue for a ticket, but a
minor
> exhaust leak was.
> Greg
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote:
> >
> > I have heard of folks getting stopped and the highway patrol
checking
> their
> > fuel for red dye. Of course, in ALL my travels- have never
witnessed
> that. But-
> > would the ATF have the same dye effect as off road diesel? Just
> curious.
> >
> > Ernie Ekberg
> > 83 PT40
> > Livingston, Montana
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[birdshill123]

Bruce: These retrofitted vehicles were probably all recent models. I
doubt anything as antique as a 3208. The seals they are using in thir
pumps are not the same as in our old babies. Any experience thay had do
not relate to BB owners.

Bruce

[doug_ngl]

Bruce,
Good point, and the concern I have that started this thread. It's
great that tests show you can run ULSD in a new engine for 100K+ miles
without ill effects, but what about my already 100K 3208NA that grew
up on good old higher sulphur #2. I don't doubt that the refiners will
add packages to their fuel to help us out, but what they add has to
still pass muster with the EPA when testing time rolls around. So they
are limited...to a degree. In our area, "thinning" winter fuel (ULSD
#2) has to be done with ULSD #1 (kerosene or jet fuel) or it will kick
the sulpher content out of range and get distributors in trouble. So
there are "eyes" that are watching this deal. From what I am being
told, ULSD is the only product available in Colorado, so remember that
when filling up here.
The ability to add over the counter addatives in our own tanks
seems to bypass any testing procedure (except for the "red" issue").
In my book, sending a few bucks for a high end addative that not only
adds lubricity, but also has a package that increases cetane, reduced
ash, helps keep injectors clean is a far better move than saving a few
busks, just adding ATF, and hoping it does the same thing. We are
talking about high end rigs, this is no time to pinch pennies.
On another note, being a "Newbie", this has ben a great exchange of
ideas. Alot more info and input has passed back and forth than I had
expected. Seems like a great group and makes me even more sure of my
decision to buy a Bluebird. Doug Engel, Gunnison, Co. '81 FC35

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
>
> Bruce: These retrofitted vehicles were probably all recent models. I
> doubt anything as antique as a 3208. The seals they are using in
thir
> pumps are not the same as in our old babies. Any experience thay had
do
> not relate to BB owners.
>
> Bruce
>