Freeze Heaters

[Scott Forman]

I have located three freeze heaters on my PT...one behind the kitchen
sink, one under the street-side twin bed, and one in the water heater
compartment. They all appear to work. The coach is drained of water,
so I doubt I will use them much, but it will be nice to know they are
there for a little insurance on a very cold night.

Are these the only three? What about heating the water tank (under
curb-side twin bed) or the bathroom plumbing?

Scott Forman
86 PT38
Memphis

[pattypape]

Much of the copper water lines are wrapped with an electric heat tape.

Bill 88 FC Michigan

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@...>
wrote:
>
> I have located three freeze heaters on my PT...one behind the kitchen
> sink, one under the street-side twin bed, and one in the water heater
> compartment. They all appear to work. The coach is drained of
water,
> so I doubt I will use them much, but it will be nice to know they are
> there for a little insurance on a very cold night.
>
> Are these the only three? What about heating the water tank (under
> curb-side twin bed) or the bathroom plumbing?
>
> Scott Forman
> 86 PT38
> Memphis
>

[Scott Forman]

Then why are there radiant heaters in these spaces?

I have never noticed any heat tape in my coach...then again, I wasn't
looking for it. Where is the thermostat for heat tape if I have it?

Scott

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
wrote:
>
>
>
> Much of the copper water lines are wrapped with an electric heat
tape.
>
> Bill 88 FC Michigan
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have located three freeze heaters on my PT...one behind the
kitchen
> > sink, one under the street-side twin bed, and one in the water
heater
> > compartment. They all appear to work. The coach is drained of
> water,
> > so I doubt I will use them much, but it will be nice to know they
are
> > there for a little insurance on a very cold night.
> >
> > Are these the only three? What about heating the water tank
(under
> > curb-side twin bed) or the bathroom plumbing?
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > 86 PT38
> > Memphis
> >
>

[Leroy Eckert]

Your coach has little electric heaters in those spaces? You have circuit
breakers in the main panel for freeze heaters? Just wondering, BB's are so
different.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

Scott Forman <sforman@...> wrote: Then
why are there radiant heaters in these spaces?

I have never noticed any heat tape in my coach...then again, I wasn't
looking for it. Where is the thermostat for heat tape if I have it?

Scott

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
wrote:
>
>
>
> Much of the copper water lines are wrapped with an electric heat
tape.
>
> Bill 88 FC Michigan
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have located three freeze heaters on my PT...one behind the
kitchen
> > sink, one under the street-side twin bed, and one in the water
heater
> > compartment. They all appear to work. The coach is drained of
> water,
> > so I doubt I will use them much, but it will be nice to know they
are
> > there for a little insurance on a very cold night.
> >
> > Are these the only three? What about heating the water tank
(under
> > curb-side twin bed) or the bathroom plumbing?
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > 86 PT38
> > Memphis
> >
>






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[Pete Masterson]

My coach depends primarily on the AquaHot-heated basement to protect
against freezing. However, while replacing the floor, I discovered a
small length of plumbing running in the curb-side "chase" (that's
normally covered up with carpet/flooring) with heat tape wrapped
around it.

There is no indication where the power comes from for the heat tape
and the wires disappear behind the galley cabinets so I couldn't
trace the wires. Nothing on any of the power panels mentions a
breaker for the heat tape nor did I see a thermostat for it.

I guess it works, 'cause we've been down to 9 degrees here during the
past couple of weeks and nothing (inside or in the basement) has
frozen up.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Golden CO



On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:30 PM, Leroy Eckert wrote:

> Your coach has little electric heaters in those spaces? You have
> circuit breakers in the main panel for freeze heaters? Just
> wondering, BB's are so different.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
> Scott Forman <sforman@...>
> wrote: Then why are there radiant
> heaters in these spaces?
>
> I have never noticed any heat tape in my coach...then again, I wasn't
> looking for it. Where is the thermostat for heat tape if I have it?
>
> Scott
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Much of the copper water lines are wrapped with an electric heat
> tape.
>>
>> Bill 88 FC Michigan
>>
>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have located three freeze heaters on my PT...one behind the
> kitchen
>>> sink, one under the street-side twin bed, and one in the water
> heater
>>> compartment. They all appear to work. The coach is drained of
>> water,
>>> so I doubt I will use them much, but it will be nice to know they
> are
>>> there for a little insurance on a very cold night.
>>>
>>> Are these the only three? What about heating the water tank
> (under
>>> curb-side twin bed) or the bathroom plumbing?
>>>
>>> Scott Forman
>>> 86 PT38
>>> Memphis
>>>

[Scott Forman]

Yes, small electric radiant heaters similar to to an old fashioned
baseboard heater. Each one has a separate industrial thermostat that
allows temp setting from 30-110 degrees. There are two breakers for
these heaters.

Scott

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Leroy Eckert
wrote:
>
> Your coach has little electric heaters in those spaces? You have
circuit breakers in the main panel for freeze heaters? Just
wondering, BB's are so different.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
> Scott Forman <sforman@...> wrote:
Then why are there radiant heaters in these spaces?
>
> I have never noticed any heat tape in my coach...then again, I
wasn't
> looking for it. Where is the thermostat for heat tape if I have
it?
>
> Scott
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Much of the copper water lines are wrapped with an electric heat
> tape.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have located three freeze heaters on my PT...one behind the
> kitchen
> > > sink, one under the street-side twin bed, and one in the water
> heater
> > > compartment. They all appear to work. The coach is drained
of
> > water,
> > > so I doubt I will use them much, but it will be nice to know
they
> are
> > > there for a little insurance on a very cold night.
> > >
> > > Are these the only three? What about heating the water tank
> (under
> > > curb-side twin bed) or the bathroom plumbing?
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 86 PT38
> > > Memphis
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Leroy Eckert]

I would not mind having those if needed. Even with hydronic heat mine had a wire
type freeze heater, can't remember the name now since I removed them. I did not
know they were there. Mine were hidden wrapped inside the insulation of the
plumbing, they somehow got crossed over, shorted out an fried the water pipe in
half. The circuit breaker did not trip. I am just happy the water pump was on.
It did flood the bus up and down but that is better than burning up.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

Scott Forman <sforman@...> wrote: Yes,
small electric radiant heaters similar to to an old fashioned
baseboard heater. Each one has a separate industrial thermostat that
allows temp setting from 30-110 degrees. There are two breakers for
these heaters.

Scott

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Leroy Eckert
wrote:
>
> Your coach has little electric heaters in those spaces? You have
circuit breakers in the main panel for freeze heaters? Just
wondering, BB's are so different.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
> Scott Forman <sforman@...> wrote:
Then why are there radiant heaters in these spaces?
>
> I have never noticed any heat tape in my coach...then again, I
wasn't
> looking for it. Where is the thermostat for heat tape if I have
it?
>
> Scott
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Much of the copper water lines are wrapped with an electric heat
> tape.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have located three freeze heaters on my PT...one behind the
> kitchen
> > > sink, one under the street-side twin bed, and one in the water
> heater
> > > compartment. They all appear to work. The coach is drained
of
> > water,
> > > so I doubt I will use them much, but it will be nice to know
they
> are
> > > there for a little insurance on a very cold night.
> > >
> > > Are these the only three? What about heating the water tank
> (under
> > > curb-side twin bed) or the bathroom plumbing?
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 86 PT38
> > > Memphis
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Kurt Horvath]

Pete,

The freeze tape is connected to a regular 120v duplex outlet behind the false
back of the kitchen cabinet and is controlled by the Freeze Heater Breaker in
the main 120v fuse panel. I know of 2 for sure in my coach they are under the
sink in the kitchen against the inside wall. The cabinets are not heated and
being against an outside wall, I suppose in very cold weather they could freeze
while the interior of the coach is toasty warm. My coach sat outside all last
winter no problems.

Kurt Horvath
95 PT-42 WLWB
10AC



----- Original Message ----
From: Pete Masterson
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 5:42:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Freeze Heaters

My coach depends primarily on the AquaHot-heated basement to protect
against freezing. However, while replacing the floor, I discovered a
small length of plumbing running in the curb-side "chase" (that's
normally covered up with carpet/flooring) with heat tape wrapped
around it.

There is no indication where the power comes from for the heat tape
and the wires disappear behind the galley cabinets so I couldn't
trace the wires. Nothing on any of the power panels mentions a
breaker for the heat tape nor did I see a thermostat for it.

I guess it works, 'cause we've been down to 9 degrees here during the
past couple of weeks and nothing (inside or in the basement) has
frozen up.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@mac. com
On the road at Golden CO

On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:30 PM, Leroy Eckert wrote:

> Your coach has little electric heaters in those spaces? You have
> circuit breakers in the main panel for freeze heaters? Just
> wondering, BB's are so different.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
> Scott Forman <sforman@renasant. com>
> wrote: Then why are there radiant
> heaters in these spaces?
>
> I have never noticed any heat tape in my coach...then again, I wasn't
> looking for it. Where is the thermostat for heat tape if I have it?
>
> Scott
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "pattypape"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Much of the copper water lines are wrapped with an electric heat
> tape.
>>
>> Bill 88 FC Michigan
>>
>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have located three freeze heaters on my PT...one behind the
> kitchen
>>> sink, one under the street-side twin bed, and one in the water
> heater
>>> compartment. They all appear to work. The coach is drained of
>> water,
>>> so I doubt I will use them much, but it will be nice to know they
> are
>>> there for a little insurance on a very cold night.
>>>
>>> Are these the only three? What about heating the water tank
> (under
>>> curb-side twin bed) or the bathroom plumbing?
>>>
>>> Scott Forman
>>> 86 PT38
>>> Memphis
>>>






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[Pete Masterson]

That good to know. I note that the _thermostat_ for the under-galley
Perfectoe electric heater is located on an exterior wall. In the
current weather situation, it runs constantly even with the
thermostat set to a very low temperature. (It was 9 degrees early
this AM.) I realized that the cold from the outside was reaching the
thermostat through the wall... I'd expect that the heat tape is very
needed in those locations behind the sink cabinets and in the wire
chase where I observed it.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Golden CO.



On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote:

> Pete,
>
> The freeze tape is connected to a regular 120v duplex outlet behind
> the false back of the kitchen cabinet and is controlled by the
> Freeze Heater Breaker in the main 120v fuse panel. I know of 2 for
> sure in my coach they are under the sink in the kitchen against the
> inside wall. The cabinets are not heated and being against an
> outside wall, I suppose in very cold weather they could freeze
> while the interior of the coach is toasty warm. My coach sat
> outside all last winter no problems.