1992 WBPT40 SanDiego 97K ForSale

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

--- Hey Peter!
I have a cherry 1990 SP 36 with only 41,000 miles on it that is
currently stored in Las Vegas that I will sell you for $75,000.
This SP is one of the nicest Birds ever built and is ready to drive
across the country. New tires, the lot!
We r currently in Australia but may return home soon. Let me know if
u have any interest.
Regards,
Hank Hannigan & wife Naty
90SP36 (currently stored in Vegas)














In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pwgoddu" wrote:
>
> We're relatively new "wannabees" and have been trying to figure out
> what true market value really is. We've narrowed our search to
early
> 1990's WB models and have seen prices from the mid 90's to more
than
> 150K. The question I haven't been able to answer is what are the
> SELLING for.
>
> I'd really appreciate any insight anyone might have. We've talked
> to a few brokers but not surprisingly they've ducked the issue (no
> pun intended). Please contact me offline if that is more
comfortable
> for you.
>
> Thanks in advance-
>
> Peter
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
> wrote:
> >
> > That was my impression also. In our case a year ago, we tended to
> ignore the ones that were 40-100% higher than market, and the one
we
> did buy was "only" 20% over what we felt it should be and came down
> to our offer quickly. Possibly if there had been a highly-prized
(by
> us) feature set we might have tried negotiating with one of those
> high-askers, but that didn't happen.
> >
> > Don Bradner
> > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> > Posting today by satellite from Quartzsite
> >
> > On 2/4/2008 at 5:31 PM Steve Pfiffner wrote:
> >
> > >As a Wannabee who has been watching the market (collapse) for
more
> > >than a year now I just want to say that those who have stated
what
> > >they actually
> > >paid in recent months are really appreciated! I have observed
that
> > >probably 80-90%
> > >of the coaches that were on the market over a year ago are still
> for
> > >sale! This would
> > >seem to indicate a large number of owners disconnected from
> reality.
> > >When a coach
> > >becomes available realistically priced it will move,
some "asking"
> > >prices are so divorced from reality that as a buyer I say to
> myself "do
> > >I want to spend my time trying to talk this person down 30 or
40%?
> Nope
> > >not me!
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > BB Wannabee
> > >
> > >----Original Message----
> > >From: Gregoryoc@
> > >Date: 02/04/2008 10:16
> > >To:
> > >Subj: [WanderlodgeForum] 1992 WBPT40 SanDiego 97K ForSale
> > >
> > >Below is a cut and paste of a craigslist advert. the price is
> inline
> > >with what everyone with that model is asking but I think the
> market
> > >sell number is in the +70's/-80's.
> > >
> > >GregoryO'Connor
> > >94ptRomolandCa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[Leroy Eckert]

They sell for a price that is determined by a willing buyer and a willing seller. Markets work that way. Some are higher, some are lower. The higher is affected by quality of maintenance, upgrades to some extent and other factors. The lower means you generally will have more maintenance issues.
Typically, if you are astute in your judgement you will get what you pay for. In any case, you ain't gonna make money. You will get enjoyment which is priceless.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion
I cannot replace the quality of my coach at $75,000 under any circumstances. On the curve of value the sum of the parts may be worth more than the whole at that price. Part it out in other words..Intrinsic value???? There is such a thing and there always will be, even if it is a depreciable asset.

pwgoddu wrote:

We're relatively new "wannabees" and have been trying to figure out
what true market value really is. We've narrowed our search to early
1990's WB models and have seen prices from the mid 90's to more than
150K. The question I haven't been able to answer is what are the
SELLING for.

I'd really appreciate any insight anyone might have. We've talked
to a few brokers but not surprisingly they've ducked the issue (no
pun intended). Please contact me offline if that is more comfortable
for you.

Thanks in advance-

Peter

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Don Bradner"
...> wrote:
>
> That was my impression also. In our case a year ago, we tended to
ignore the ones that were 40-100% higher than market, and the one we
did buy was "only" 20% over what we felt it should be and came down
to our offer quickly. Possibly if there had been a highly-prized (by
us) feature set we might have tried negotiating with one of those
high-askers, but that didn't happen.
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> Posting today by satellite from Quartzsite
>
> On 2/4/2008 at 5:31 PM Steve Pfiffner wrote:
>
> >As a Wannabee who has been watching the market (collapse) for more
> >than a year now I just want to say that those who have stated what
> >they actually
> >paid in recent months are
really appreciated! I have observed that
> >probably 80-90%
> >of the coaches that were on the market over a year ago are still
for
> >sale! This would
> >seem to indicate a large number of owners disconnected from
reality.
> >When a coach
> >becomes available realistically priced it will move, some "asking"
> >prices are so divorced from reality that as a buyer I say to
myself "do
> >I want to spend my time trying to talk this person down 30 or 40%?
Nope
> >not me!
> >
> > Steve
> > BB Wannabee
> >
> >----Original Message----
> >From: Gregoryoc@...
> >Date: 02/04/2008 10:16
> >To: <"WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com">
> >Subj: [WanderlodgeForum] 1992 WBPT40 SanDiego 97K ForSale
> >

> >Below is a cut and paste of a craigslist advert. the price is
inline
> >with what everyone with that model is asking but I think the
market
> >sell number is in the +70's/-80's.
> >
> >GregoryO'Connor
> >94ptRomolandCa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

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[Ryan Wright]

On Feb 4, 2008 10:16 AM, Don Bradner wrote:
>
> That was my impression also. In our case a year ago, we tended to ignore the
> ones that were 40-100% higher than market

Likewise; the thing is, most people don't want to offend someone with
a low ball offer. The coach may only be worth $70k but if they're
asking $97k, why waste your time and theirs? I don't get these sellers
who overprice their coach, then hold tight to their price for years
while the thing continues to depreciate. Makes one wonder if they
really want to sell it.

I don't think a '92 PT-40 will get $97k. They might get $85k if it's
in top condition, and that's not too much to talk someone down from on
an item in this price category. On the other hand, many buyers may
only be willing to pony up $75-80k and most won't bother trying to
talk someone down that far.

Then there's me. I don't mind offending people with a low ball offer.
I figure they already "offended" me with their outrageous asking
price, the least I can do is clue them in on what the thing is really
worth. ;-) I offered $15k below asking price for my coach. That offer
was soundly rejected, but it did open negotiations and we met
somewhere in the middle. The way I figure negotiations is, if both
parties get to a point where each feels he's being screwed a little,
then you're probably right where you should be.

Back to selling your coach: These are specialty items, they really
are. Especially vintage birds and especially with today's fuel prices.
Those with the big bucks just buy new; most Americans with their 30k
in credit card debt, two car payments and adjustable rate mortgages
can't afford them; so you need to find someone in just the right
income bracket who can afford the coach but can't (or doesn't want to)
afford new, yet wants an old bus and has the ability to fuel and
maintain it. That pool of people is fairly tiny and the small size of
that market is the reason coaches that sold for $400,000 not so many
years ago can be had for $50k-$90k today.

So when you buy a toy that fills such a niche market as this, you
really should consider it money thrown away; that you'll never be able
to resell it at any price and are just going to keep it forever. If
you disconnect yourself from the idea that it's an "asset", and
instead assume you blew all that dough just to have fun, then when you
go to sell it you'll be OK with whatever price you get. If I wanted to
tap into this money some day I'd have bought more mutual funds, not a
22 year old coach.

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

--- RYAN:
I enjoyed your comments...you are right on target.....I probably
should keep my 90SP36 forever.....It is irreplacable, one of a
kind...do not know why I try to sell it every year or so. Guess I
hate to see it just sit in Vegas in storage watching all
those "gamblers!"
Anyway...I enjoyed your comments about birds.
They are not a financial appreciating asset for sure but are the best
motorhomes in the world and a pleasure to own. Everytime we pull
into an RV Park, people look and ask questions about our "new" bird.
All bird owners know the feeling.........
Regards,
Hank Hannigan & wife Naty
90SP36 (stored in Vegas)



In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Wright"
wrote:
>
> On Feb 4, 2008 10:16 AM, Don Bradner wrote:
> >
> > That was my impression also. In our case a year ago, we tended to
ignore the
> > ones that were 40-100% higher than market
>
> Likewise; the thing is, most people don't want to offend someone
with
> a low ball offer. The coach may only be worth $70k but if they're
> asking $97k, why waste your time and theirs? I don't get these
sellers
> who overprice their coach, then hold tight to their price for years
> while the thing continues to depreciate. Makes one wonder if they
> really want to sell it.
>
> I don't think a '92 PT-40 will get $97k. They might get $85k if it's
> in top condition, and that's not too much to talk someone down from
on
> an item in this price category. On the other hand, many buyers may
> only be willing to pony up $75-80k and most won't bother trying to
> talk someone down that far.
>
> Then there's me. I don't mind offending people with a low ball
offer.
> I figure they already "offended" me with their outrageous asking
> price, the least I can do is clue them in on what the thing is
really
> worth. ;-) I offered $15k below asking price for my coach. That
offer
> was soundly rejected, but it did open negotiations and we met
> somewhere in the middle. The way I figure negotiations is, if both
> parties get to a point where each feels he's being screwed a little,
> then you're probably right where you should be.
>
> Back to selling your coach: These are specialty items, they really
> are. Especially vintage birds and especially with today's fuel
prices.
> Those with the big bucks just buy new; most Americans with their 30k
> in credit card debt, two car payments and adjustable rate mortgages
> can't afford them; so you need to find someone in just the right
> income bracket who can afford the coach but can't (or doesn't want
to)
> afford new, yet wants an old bus and has the ability to fuel and
> maintain it. That pool of people is fairly tiny and the small size
of
> that market is the reason coaches that sold for $400,000 not so many
> years ago can be had for $50k-$90k today.
>
> So when you buy a toy that fills such a niche market as this, you
> really should consider it money thrown away; that you'll never be
able
> to resell it at any price and are just going to keep it forever. If
> you disconnect yourself from the idea that it's an "asset", and
> instead assume you blew all that dough just to have fun, then when
you
> go to sell it you'll be OK with whatever price you get. If I wanted
to
> tap into this money some day I'd have bought more mutual funds, not
a
> 22 year old coach.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92
>

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

---Earnie:
Nice to hear from you! Wednesday noon here in Melbourne, beautiful
summer day!
Could your 4 poodles get along with a WOMBAT & a KANGAROO?

Am thinking about getting them to travel with us.

We miss traveling in the great USA. One of these days we will be "on
the road again" and heading for Texas! We want to attend another
lone star rally; great group!
I imagine next summer, we will get to Billy Dawson and John Benham's
ranches again and stop at your place if it is on the way. The ole
Sp36 needs to streach its legs/tyres a bit!
Nice to hear from you!
I enjoy reading this forum very much. Nice folks.
That's it from "down under"..take care.
Regards,
Hank & wife Naty
90SP36 (stored in Vegas)






In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> Hank, I have a deal for you. Let me store your coach here in
Texas.For the
> price of storage we could use it. I promise that we won't smoke in
it. But,
> with our 4 poodles, you couldn't sell it as a no smoke, no pet
coach.
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Weatherford, Tx
>
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[Joe]

This is exactly my plan and my outlook. I plan to keep whichever BB
I
purchase a long time. I prefer the older ones with wood cabinets,
not
the white ones I've seen. FCs suit me OK, that '79 with a rear
engine
looked good, but very pricey ( 30K )...
I plan to fuel it, enjoy it, and let the kids sell it when I pass
on,
in the meantime, it's all going to be fun for me. It's my TOY.

Joe3

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Wright"
wrote:
> So when you buy a toy that fills such a niche market as this, you
> really should consider it money thrown away; that you'll never be
able
> to resell it at any price and are just going to keep it forever. If
> you disconnect yourself from the idea that it's an "asset", and
> instead assume you blew all that dough just to have fun, then when
you
> go to sell it you'll be OK with whatever price you get. If I
wanted
to
> tap into this money some day I'd have bought more mutual funds,
not a
> 22 year old coach.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92
>