Question about 'House' battery connection...

[t3brian]

Hello all..... I am undertaking converting the original battery
configuration in my 84' PT 40 and I have some questions.......

Original:
4- RV deep cycle 12V batteries mounted on a battery tray in the engine
compartment, + lead connected to a power distribution 'stud' with 2
leads directly connected to the starter & 1 lead directly connected to
the 'Jump Start post' at the rear of the compartment on a frame rail
which then is connected to a couple of relays that are connected to the
key switch and the selector that allows for the engine to be started
from the 'rear' or 'front' ignition switch.

New:
2- 12V starting batteries in the engine compartment.
2- 4D deepcycle batteries in a 'new' converted stowage area just in
front of the 'rear' wheel axel.

Issue: I want to seperate the 'Start' batteries & the new 'house'
batteries.... I have an isolator to accomplish this.... however I am
having difficulty determining where the power source for the
current 'house 12V' is coming from...... it seems that when I look at
the starter.. there is 5 heavy guage wires connected to it... 2 of
which come from the + battery connection post and 2 of which go into
the compartment that houses the existing isolator, DC-AC redi line
generator along with 3 relays that appear to all be configured to
switch between combinations of power UP for the redi line, the
generator battary and some other features... but none of the
connections seem to be the connection to the existing 'house DC'
supply...

In order to properly configure the new battery configuration I have to
isolate the dc supply for the starter & the ignition switch and
seperate the existing 'house DC' so that I can supply each one with
it's own battery bank.. and place the isolator between the 2 so that
both battery banks are recievng a charge from the AC charger and the
alternator......

Does anybody hqave an idea as to where the existing 'house DC'
connection is coming from??? is it one of the cables attached to the
starter??? or do I need to look elsewhere???

Thank You
Brian
'The Green Hornet'

[Curt Sprenger]

Hi Brian,

I'm not there to do testing, etc., and we don't know who did what mods. over the years...but my guess is the house 12V passes from the batteries(starter) through the inverter.

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:26 PM, t3brian <"brianp@t3networks.net"> wrote:

Hello all..... I am undertaking converting the original battery

configuration in my 84' PT 40 and I have some questions.......



Original:

4- RV deep cycle 12V batteries mounted on a battery tray in the engine

compartment, + lead connected to a power distribution 'stud' with 2

leads directly connected to the starter & 1 lead directly connected to

the 'Jump Start post' at the rear of the compartment on a frame rail

which then is connected to a couple of relays that are connected to the

key switch and the selector that allows for the engine to be started

from the 'rear' or 'front' ignition switch.



New:

2- 12V starting batteries in the engine compartment.

2- 4D deepcycle batteries in a 'new' converted stowage area just in

front of the 'rear' wheel axel.



Issue: I want to seperate the 'Start' batteries & the new 'house'

batteries.... I have an isolator to accomplish this.... however I am

having difficulty determining where the power source for the

current 'house 12V' is coming from...... it seems that when I look at

the starter.. there is 5 heavy guage wires connected to it... 2 of

which come from the + battery connection post and 2 of which go into

the compartment that houses the existing isolator, DC-AC redi line

generator along with 3 relays that appear to all be configured to

switch between combinations of power UP for the redi line, the

generator battary and some other features... but none of the

connections seem to be the connection to the existing 'house DC'

supply...



In order to properly configure the new battery configuration I have to

isolate the dc supply for the starter & the ignition switch and

seperate the existing 'house DC' so that I can supply each one with

it's own battery bank.. and place the isolator between the 2 so that

both battery banks are recievng a charge from the AC charger and the

alternator......



Does anybody hqave an idea as to where the existing 'house DC'

connection is coming from??? is it one of the cables attached to the

starter??? or do I need to look elsewhere???



Thank You

Brian

'The Green Hornet'

--
Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA

[t3brian]

Hi Curt... how are you???
OK... well... I do not think that I even have an inverter....

Not anywhere that I find anyway....... the only items in the area in
the engine compartment near the batteries are the redi-line generator
for the AC to the curtins... and a charger.... then some relays and
an isolator that is connected to the gen. battery and the original
bank of start-house batteries..... so I guess what I need to do is
remove all of the wires from the starter and begin to isolate them to
see if that is where the existing 'house DC' connection is being
originated.......

Thank You..... I will keep looking tomorrow.....

If I can't find it right away..... do you think that it would be a
problem if a ran the 2 new sets of battery banks in parrallel for a
week long trip that we have planned at the end of this week????

I have 2- group 31 starting batts & 2- 4D deep cycle batts.




--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Curt Sprenger"
wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> I'm not there to do testing, etc., and we don't know who did what
mods. over
> the years...but my guess is the house 12V passes from the batteries
(starter)
> through the inverter.
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:26 PM, t3brian wrote:
>
> > Hello all..... I am undertaking converting the original battery
> > configuration in my 84' PT 40 and I have some questions.......
> >
> > Original:
> > 4- RV deep cycle 12V batteries mounted on a battery tray in the
engine
> > compartment, + lead connected to a power distribution 'stud' with
2
> > leads directly connected to the starter & 1 lead directly
connected to
> > the 'Jump Start post' at the rear of the compartment on a frame
rail
> > which then is connected to a couple of relays that are connected
to the
> > key switch and the selector that allows for the engine to be
started
> > from the 'rear' or 'front' ignition switch.
> >
> > New:
> > 2- 12V starting batteries in the engine compartment.
> > 2- 4D deepcycle batteries in a 'new' converted stowage area just
in
> > front of the 'rear' wheel axel.
> >
> > Issue: I want to seperate the 'Start' batteries & the new 'house'
> > batteries.... I have an isolator to accomplish this.... however I
am
> > having difficulty determining where the power source for the
> > current 'house 12V' is coming from...... it seems that when I
look at
> > the starter.. there is 5 heavy guage wires connected to it... 2 of
> > which come from the + battery connection post and 2 of which go
into
> > the compartment that houses the existing isolator, DC-AC redi line
> > generator along with 3 relays that appear to all be configured to
> > switch between combinations of power UP for the redi line, the
> > generator battary and some other features... but none of the
> > connections seem to be the connection to the existing 'house DC'
> > supply...
> >
> > In order to properly configure the new battery configuration I
have to
> > isolate the dc supply for the starter & the ignition switch and
> > seperate the existing 'house DC' so that I can supply each one
with
> > it's own battery bank.. and place the isolator between the 2 so
that
> > both battery banks are recievng a charge from the AC charger and
the
> > alternator......
> >
> > Does anybody hqave an idea as to where the existing 'house DC'
> > connection is coming from??? is it one of the cables attached to
the
> > starter??? or do I need to look elsewhere???
> >
> > Thank You
> > Brian
> > 'The Green Hornet'
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Curt Sprenger
> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> Anaheim Hills, CA
>

[Gregory OConnor]

rediline is a AC generator using dc power from the batterybank to
turn a dc motor that rotates a small genhead???? the rediline is
often replaced with a more efficient inverter. I have a big bank of
batteries but the math proves that twice the bank size takes twice
as long to charge with the genset. a charging schedule where the
genset runs during high ac demand times may prove helpful also. You
can hook a second bank up to any big wire dc terminal but you need a
way to charge the extra demand too. Isolating the start bank from
the house bank will not increase your house supply it will only
ensure you have juice to start the Detroit. you may want to only
isolate the two banks on the last day of your week long camp out.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "t3brian"
wrote:
>
> Hi Curt... how are you???
> OK... well... I do not think that I even have an inverter....
>
> Not anywhere that I find anyway....... the only items in the area
in
> the engine compartment near the batteries are the redi-line
generator
> for the AC to the curtins... and a charger.... then some relays
and
> an isolator that is connected to the gen. battery and the original
> bank of start-house batteries..... so I guess what I need to do is
> remove all of the wires from the starter and begin to isolate them
to
> see if that is where the existing 'house DC' connection is being
> originated.......
>
> Thank You..... I will keep looking tomorrow.....
>
> If I can't find it right away..... do you think that it would be a
> problem if a ran the 2 new sets of battery banks in parrallel for
a
> week long trip that we have planned at the end of this week????
>
> I have 2- group 31 starting batts & 2- 4D deep cycle batts.
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Curt Sprenger"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > I'm not there to do testing, etc., and we don't know who did
what
> mods. over
> > the years...but my guess is the house 12V passes from the
batteries
> (starter)
> > through the inverter.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:26 PM, t3brian wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all..... I am undertaking converting the original
battery
> > > configuration in my 84' PT 40 and I have some questions.......
> > >
> > > Original:
> > > 4- RV deep cycle 12V batteries mounted on a battery tray in
the
> engine
> > > compartment, + lead connected to a power distribution 'stud'
with
> 2
> > > leads directly connected to the starter & 1 lead directly
> connected to
> > > the 'Jump Start post' at the rear of the compartment on a
frame
> rail
> > > which then is connected to a couple of relays that are
connected
> to the
> > > key switch and the selector that allows for the engine to be
> started
> > > from the 'rear' or 'front' ignition switch.
> > >
> > > New:
> > > 2- 12V starting batteries in the engine compartment.
> > > 2- 4D deepcycle batteries in a 'new' converted stowage area
just
> in
> > > front of the 'rear' wheel axel.
> > >
> > > Issue: I want to seperate the 'Start' batteries & the
new 'house'
> > > batteries.... I have an isolator to accomplish this....
however I
> am
> > > having difficulty determining where the power source for the
> > > current 'house 12V' is coming from...... it seems that when I
> look at
> > > the starter.. there is 5 heavy guage wires connected to it...
2 of
> > > which come from the + battery connection post and 2 of which
go
> into
> > > the compartment that houses the existing isolator, DC-AC redi
line
> > > generator along with 3 relays that appear to all be configured
to
> > > switch between combinations of power UP for the redi line, the
> > > generator battary and some other features... but none of the
> > > connections seem to be the connection to the existing 'house
DC'
> > > supply...
> > >
> > > In order to properly configure the new battery configuration I
> have to
> > > isolate the dc supply for the starter & the ignition switch and
> > > seperate the existing 'house DC' so that I can supply each one
> with
> > > it's own battery bank.. and place the isolator between the 2
so
> that
> > > both battery banks are recievng a charge from the AC charger
and
> the
> > > alternator......
> > >
> > > Does anybody hqave an idea as to where the existing 'house DC'
> > > connection is coming from??? is it one of the cables attached
to
> the
> > > starter??? or do I need to look elsewhere???
> > >
> > > Thank You
> > > Brian
> > > 'The Green Hornet'
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Curt Sprenger
> > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> > Anaheim Hills, CA
> >
>

[t3brian]

OK.....
Well after listening to and understanding many thoughts about the
original design and layout of the coach system ... I think that for
now I am just going to hook up the new sets of batteries in parrallel
and consider it done. That wa I am relying upon the generator & it's
start battery as the 'backup' plan to start the coach....

Thank you
Brian Prinkki

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> rediline is a AC generator using dc power from the batterybank to
> turn a dc motor that rotates a small genhead???? the rediline is
> often replaced with a more efficient inverter. I have a big bank
of
> batteries but the math proves that twice the bank size takes twice
> as long to charge with the genset. a charging schedule where the
> genset runs during high ac demand times may prove helpful also. You
> can hook a second bank up to any big wire dc terminal but you need
a
> way to charge the extra demand too. Isolating the start bank from
> the house bank will not increase your house supply it will only
> ensure you have juice to start the Detroit. you may want to only
> isolate the two banks on the last day of your week long camp out.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "t3brian"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Curt... how are you???
> > OK... well... I do not think that I even have an inverter....
> >
> > Not anywhere that I find anyway....... the only items in the area
> in
> > the engine compartment near the batteries are the redi-line
> generator
> > for the AC to the curtins... and a charger.... then some relays
> and
> > an isolator that is connected to the gen. battery and the
original
> > bank of start-house batteries..... so I guess what I need to do
is
> > remove all of the wires from the starter and begin to isolate
them
> to
> > see if that is where the existing 'house DC' connection is being
> > originated.......
> >
> > Thank You..... I will keep looking tomorrow.....
> >
> > If I can't find it right away..... do you think that it would be
a
> > problem if a ran the 2 new sets of battery banks in parrallel for
> a
> > week long trip that we have planned at the end of this week????
> >
> > I have 2- group 31 starting batts & 2- 4D deep cycle batts.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Curt Sprenger"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Brian,
> > >
> > > I'm not there to do testing, etc., and we don't know who did
> what
> > mods. over
> > > the years...but my guess is the house 12V passes from the
> batteries
> > (starter)
> > > through the inverter.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:26 PM, t3brian wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello all..... I am undertaking converting the original
> battery
> > > > configuration in my 84' PT 40 and I have some questions.......
> > > >
> > > > Original:
> > > > 4- RV deep cycle 12V batteries mounted on a battery tray in
> the
> > engine
> > > > compartment, + lead connected to a power distribution 'stud'
> with
> > 2
> > > > leads directly connected to the starter & 1 lead directly
> > connected to
> > > > the 'Jump Start post' at the rear of the compartment on a
> frame
> > rail
> > > > which then is connected to a couple of relays that are
> connected
> > to the
> > > > key switch and the selector that allows for the engine to be
> > started
> > > > from the 'rear' or 'front' ignition switch.
> > > >
> > > > New:
> > > > 2- 12V starting batteries in the engine compartment.
> > > > 2- 4D deepcycle batteries in a 'new' converted stowage area
> just
> > in
> > > > front of the 'rear' wheel axel.
> > > >
> > > > Issue: I want to seperate the 'Start' batteries & the
> new 'house'
> > > > batteries.... I have an isolator to accomplish this....
> however I
> > am
> > > > having difficulty determining where the power source for the
> > > > current 'house 12V' is coming from...... it seems that when I
> > look at
> > > > the starter.. there is 5 heavy guage wires connected to it...
> 2 of
> > > > which come from the + battery connection post and 2 of which
> go
> > into
> > > > the compartment that houses the existing isolator, DC-AC redi
> line
> > > > generator along with 3 relays that appear to all be
configured
> to
> > > > switch between combinations of power UP for the redi line, the
> > > > generator battary and some other features... but none of the
> > > > connections seem to be the connection to the existing 'house
> DC'
> > > > supply...
> > > >
> > > > In order to properly configure the new battery configuration
I
> > have to
> > > > isolate the dc supply for the starter & the ignition switch
and
> > > > seperate the existing 'house DC' so that I can supply each
one
> > with
> > > > it's own battery bank.. and place the isolator between the 2
> so
> > that
> > > > both battery banks are recievng a charge from the AC charger
> and
> > the
> > > > alternator......
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody hqave an idea as to where the existing 'house DC'
> > > > connection is coming from??? is it one of the cables attached
> to
> > the
> > > > starter??? or do I need to look elsewhere???
> > > >
> > > > Thank You
> > > > Brian
> > > > 'The Green Hornet'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Curt Sprenger
> > > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> > > Anaheim Hills, CA
> > >
> >
>