Stalling cat -Spin on Racor + other question

[mrdonut12]

Bill,
If he had an air leak, I'd have said to bypass it. He
apparently has a fuel system plugged with crud and I just
can't see moving the problem forward. Might as well deal
with it in the back.
I can't help but constantly analyze. I'm a mechanic and I
just can't stop. It's like asking a cat to not chase a mouse. LOL
I've learned a lot about mine and may eventually come around
to your way of thinking. ;o)

George Witt
81 FC 35
Lincoln, Nebraska

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "samax8" wrote:
> -George,
>
> I appreciate your knowledge and experience. I expected contrary
> positions when I posted and I do not disagree with anything that you
> posted. I was just passing on info that I had been given in response
> to someone questioning if he could drive a short distance bypassing
> the racor.
>
> My understanding of the Racor problems was that they mainly
> concerned air leaks. I have no experience, good or bad, with a Racor
> on my Bird.
>
> You make a good point that most of the guys that the Cat shop is
> seeing are commercial drivers.
>
> I can inspect my fuel for water and debris at the water separator.
> Admittedly after it has gone thru the main fuel filter.
>
> I do not discourage using a Racor filter. Just saying it can be done
> and is done. The more filtering the better I'm sure. It's just that,
> in my case, after having gone through one air leak problem I was
> easily convinced that avoiding the potential for another was a good
> thing.
>
> Maybe I will get around to hooking mine back up and see how it goes.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Bill
> 82FC33
>
>
> -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mrdonut12" <mrdonut12@y...>
> wrote:
> > Bill,
> > I won't pretend to have the knowledge or expertise in diesels
> > that these guys do, but I've got that much experience in
> automobiles,
> > maybe more.
> > I've been a mechanic for a living for over 30 years and am the
> > guy you bring your car to when no one else can figure it out and
> I'll
> > fix it. I was also involved in dirt track race cars (sprint cars
> with
> > 350 cubic inch engines producing 700 hp on straight methanol
> fuel).
> > I've built many racing engines.
> > I'm only listing this to help you give weight (or take it
> away)
> > from my observations. ;o)
> > I've recently had my Racor apart, cleaned it thoroughly and
> > analyzed it's function.
> > If a Racor "causes problems" it's most likely plugged, broken
> or
> > neglected. I can think of no other things that would cause it to
> > "cause problems".
> > We've been reading cases of algae in fuel and it plugging up
> the
> > Racor.
> > I've only had a bird about a year and a half and I've put
> 25,000
> > miles on mine in that time.
> > I couldn't get mine to drain out the bottom drain valve.
> After I
> > took it apart, I found a handful of fine rust particles plugging
> the
> > bottom. I found almost another handful resting on the internal
> beams,
> > fuel heater and braces. It was a mess inside. ick.
> > If I remove my fuel filler cap, I can see a filler pipe with a
> > lot of loose rust in it. I can only imagine what the inside of the
> > tank might look like. That's the background on my system, yours
> may
> > be different.
> > Some of those rust particles are bound to get caught inside
> > rubber hoses, junctions in copper tubing or the cracks from tubing
> > connecting to rubber hoses and cause a restriction. The Racor will
> > remove those half way to the front. I only have to deal with crap
> > from the center to the rear of the bus.
> > I carefully watch my Racor guage to monitor for restrictions,
> so
> > I know if there's a problem or not.
> > The glass bowl on the bottom of my Racor lets me see easily
> and
> > quickly whether I have water in the system and lets me drain it out
> > easily. It also lets me see how much loose rust I get
> accumulating.
> > The guys at the Cat shop are seeing commercial vehicles that
> get
> > fresh fuel daily and are maintained (in most cases) by people that
> > know how to care for diesels. They keep the tanks full when not in
> > use and add algacide as needed.
> > Old birds may have been owned by people with none of this
> knowledge.
> > That's my case for keeping and maintaining my Racor on my
> unit.
> > Others may disagree and I'm fine with that. This is only to
> present
> > the other side of the story. I'm using the 30 micron filter
> element,
> > so it only gets the big chunks. LOL
> >
> > George Witt
> > 81 FC 35
> > Lincoln, Nebraska
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "samax8"
> wrote:
> > > -There will probably be a lot of knowledgeable people on this
> forum
> > > that will disagree with this but here goes. As far as safely
> driving
> > > without the racor. When I got my Bird I replaced all the fluids
> and
> > > filters just to be on the safe side. I went to the Cat dealer
> for
> > > the filters. When I tried to buy a Racor I was told that they
> did
> > > not sell them nor did they recommend them. This from the guy in
> > > parts. I then spoke with the service manager at Holt
> Caterpillar,
> > > San Antonio, TX ( the largest Cat dealer in the US). He said
> they
> > > did not approve of Racor filters as they only caused problems
> and
> > > that my 3208 had two filters without the Racor and that was all
> I
> > > needed. When I started working on the Bird replacing fluids and
> > > filters I discovered that my Racor had been bypassed by the
> previous
> > > owner. I later drove from Texas to the Birds Nest to have some
> work
> > > done and asked them to hook up my Racor and put in a new filter.
> > > They (maybe Bennie, I'm not sure) said that I did not need it,
> that
> > > it was overkill.
> > >
> > > I have put about 7000 miles on without a Racor and never had a
> > > problem except once with the water seperator leaking air
> (defective
> > > Cat part). I do change my fuel filter and water seperator
> regularly
> > > along with my oil filters and get an oil analysis every oil
> change.
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > > Bill
> > > 82FC33
> > >
> > > -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Adria Haynes"
> > > <mrbeebody@n...> wrote:
> > > > I still haven't really tried to start my 3208 again yet. I
> got
> > > the
> > > > 900 series Racor off and found some of the internals to be
> damaged
> > > > from excessive heat. I have since decided to live without a
> > > heating
> > > > element in my water seperator as I move forward since I really
> > > don't
> > > > need my fuel so hot that it melts plastic inside of it - right
> > > next
> > > > to my LP pig.
> > > >
> > > > In looking into the option of just replacing my
> filter/seperator
> > > > instead of rebuilding it, I stopped by the local West Marine
> as
> > > you
> > > > guys advised. The guy there showed me a flow chart that shows
> I
> > > > should be able to EASILY live with a 300 series seperator
> (320R
> > > > actually) with the spin on style filters.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe I'm too green, but it seems like a no brainer. But I
> don't
> > > > really want to make any moves or spend any money without
> > > consulting
> > > > you professionals first, though. The things I liked about
> that
> > > unit
> > > > was that is had a primer built into it, the filters seemed
> easier
> > > to
> > > > change, and changing them seemed like it wouldn't be as
> messy.
> > > The
> > > > things I didn't like was that each new filter was like $27. A
> > > small
> > > > drop in the bucket I know, but still.
> > > >
> > > > Please advise on any of your thoughts or experiences
> concerning
> > > > installing and/or maintaining one of these spin on style
> > > > filter/seperators.
> > > >
> > > > Also, once the new unit is installed, how do I go about
> pushing
> > > fuel
> > > > up the line to the secondary filter? Just use that built in
> > > primer?
> > > >
> > > > How do I do it if I go with another 900 series Racor?
> > > >
> > > > How bad of an idea is it to just eliminate the Racor for the
> > > > afternoon to see if I can get the damn thing running without
> it at
> > > > all?
> > > >
> > > > Still overwhelmed,
> > > > John

[randydupree]

one thing about the racor is its outside the coach,you don't have to worry about
fuel smell in your carpets as much.i've found that the racor last at least twice
as long as my secondary filter,and when i have had fuel problems i only changed
the racor,maybe 5 to 1..its kinda like having a spare tire i guess.do you really
need it? i like having both..randydupree93wb
----- Original Message -----
From: mrdonut12
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stalling cat -Spin on Racor + other question


Bill,
If he had an air leak, I'd have said to bypass it. He
apparently has a fuel system plugged with crud and I just
can't see moving the problem forward. Might as well deal
with it in the back.
I can't help but constantly analyze. I'm a mechanic and I
just can't stop. It's like asking a cat to not chase a mouse. LOL
I've learned a lot about mine and may eventually come around
to your way of thinking. ;o)

George Witt
81 FC 35
Lincoln, Nebraska

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "samax8" wrote:
> -George,
>
> I appreciate your knowledge and experience. I expected contrary
> positions when I posted and I do not disagree with anything that you
> posted. I was just passing on info that I had been given in response
> to someone questioning if he could drive a short distance bypassing
> the racor.
>
> My understanding of the Racor problems was that they mainly
> concerned air leaks. I have no experience, good or bad, with a Racor
> on my Bird.
>
> You make a good point that most of the guys that the Cat shop is
> seeing are commercial drivers.
>
> I can inspect my fuel for water and debris at the water separator.
> Admittedly after it has gone thru the main fuel filter.
>
> I do not discourage using a Racor filter. Just saying it can be done
> and is done. The more filtering the better I'm sure. It's just that,
> in my case, after having gone through one air leak problem I was
> easily convinced that avoiding the potential for another was a good
> thing.
>
> Maybe I will get around to hooking mine back up and see how it goes.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Bill
> 82FC33
>
>
> -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mrdonut12" <mrdonut12@y...>
> wrote:
> > Bill,
> > I won't pretend to have the knowledge or expertise in diesels
> > that these guys do, but I've got that much experience in
> automobiles,
> > maybe more.
> > I've been a mechanic for a living for over 30 years and am the
> > guy you bring your car to when no one else can figure it out and
> I'll
> > fix it. I was also involved in dirt track race cars (sprint cars
> with
> > 350 cubic inch engines producing 700 hp on straight methanol
> fuel).
> > I've built many racing engines.
> > I'm only listing this to help you give weight (or take it
> away)
> > from my observations. ;o)
> > I've recently had my Racor apart, cleaned it thoroughly and
> > analyzed it's function.
> > If a Racor "causes problems" it's most likely plugged, broken
> or
> > neglected. I can think of no other things that would cause it to
> > "cause problems".
> > We've been reading cases of algae in fuel and it plugging up
> the
> > Racor.
> > I've only had a bird about a year and a half and I've put
> 25,000
> > miles on mine in that time.
> > I couldn't get mine to drain out the bottom drain valve.
> After I
> > took it apart, I found a handful of fine rust particles plugging
> the
> > bottom. I found almost another handful resting on the internal
> beams,
> > fuel heater and braces. It was a mess inside. ick.
> > If I remove my fuel filler cap, I can see a filler pipe with a
> > lot of loose rust in it. I can only imagine what the inside of the
> > tank might look like. That's the background on my system, yours
> may
> > be different.
> > Some of those rust particles are bound to get caught inside
> > rubber hoses, junctions in copper tubing or the cracks from tubing
> > connecting to rubber hoses and cause a restriction. The Racor will
> > remove those half way to the front. I only have to deal with crap
> > from the center to the rear of the bus.
> > I carefully watch my Racor guage to monitor for restrictions,
> so
> > I know if there's a problem or not.
> > The glass bowl on the bottom of my Racor lets me see easily
> and
> > quickly whether I have water in the system and lets me drain it out
> > easily. It also lets me see how much loose rust I get
> accumulating.
> > The guys at the Cat shop are seeing commercial vehicles that
> get
> > fresh fuel daily and are maintained (in most cases) by people that
> > know how to care for diesels. They keep the tanks full when not in
> > use and add algacide as needed.
> > Old birds may have been owned by people with none of this
> knowledge.
> > That's my case for keeping and maintaining my Racor on my
> unit.
> > Others may disagree and I'm fine with that. This is only to
> present
> > the other side of the story. I'm using the 30 micron filter
> element,
> > so it only gets the big chunks. LOL
> >
> > George Witt
> > 81 FC 35
> > Lincoln, Nebraska
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "samax8"
> wrote:
> > > -There will probably be a lot of knowledgeable people on this
> forum
> > > that will disagree with this but here goes. As far as safely
> driving
> > > without the racor. When I got my Bird I replaced all the fluids
> and
> > > filters just to be on the safe side. I went to the Cat dealer
> for
> > > the filters. When I tried to buy a Racor I was told that they
> did
> > > not sell them nor did they recommend them. This from the guy in
> > > parts. I then spoke with the service manager at Holt
> Caterpillar,
> > > San Antonio, TX ( the largest Cat dealer in the US). He said
> they
> > > did not approve of Racor filters as they only caused problems
> and
> > > that my 3208 had two filters without the Racor and that was all
> I
> > > needed. When I started working on the Bird replacing fluids and
> > > filters I discovered that my Racor had been bypassed by the
> previous
> > > owner. I later drove from Texas to the Birds Nest to have some
> work
> > > done and asked them to hook up my Racor and put in a new filter.
> > > They (maybe Bennie, I'm not sure) said that I did not need it,
> that
> > > it was overkill.
> > >
> > > I have put about 7000 miles on without a Racor and never had a
> > > problem except once with the water seperator leaking air
> (defective
> > > Cat part). I do change my fuel filter and water seperator
> regularly
> > > along with my oil filters and get an oil analysis every oil
> change.
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > > Bill
> > > 82FC33
> > >
> > > -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Adria Haynes"
> > > <mrbeebody@n...> wrote:
> > > > I still haven't really tried to start my 3208 again yet. I
> got
> > > the
> > > > 900 series Racor off and found some of the internals to be
> damaged
> > > > from excessive heat. I have since decided to live without a
> > > heating
> > > > element in my water seperator as I move forward since I really
> > > don't
> > > > need my fuel so hot that it melts plastic inside of it - right
> > > next
> > > > to my LP pig.
> > > >
> > > > In looking into the option of just replacing my
> filter/seperator
> > > > instead of rebuilding it, I stopped by the local West Marine
> as
> > > you
> > > > guys advised. The guy there showed me a flow chart that shows
> I
> > > > should be able to EASILY live with a 300 series seperator
> (320R
> > > > actually) with the spin on style filters.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe I'm too green, but it seems like a no brainer. But I
> don't
> > > > really want to make any moves or spend any money without
> > > consulting
> > > > you professionals first, though. The things I liked about
> that
> > > unit
> > > > was that is had a primer built into it, the filters seemed
> easier
> > > to
> > > > change, and changing them seemed like it wouldn't be as
> messy.
> > > The
> > > > things I didn't like was that each new filter was like $27. A
> > > small
> > > > drop in the bucket I know, but still.
> > > >
> > > > Please advise on any of your thoughts or experiences
> concerning
> > > > installing and/or maintaining one of these spin on style
> > > > filter/seperators.
> > > >
> > > > Also, once the new unit is installed, how do I go about
> pushing
> > > fuel
> > > > up the line to the secondary filter? Just use that built in
> > > primer?
> > > >
> > > > How do I do it if I go with another 900 series Racor?
> > > >
> > > > How bad of an idea is it to just eliminate the Racor for the
> > > > afternoon to see if I can get the damn thing running without
> it at
> > > > all?
> > > >
> > > > Still overwhelmed,
> > > > John




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[samax8]

Doggone. I don't carry a spare tire either.
Bill
82FC33

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, randydupree
wrote:
> one thing about the racor is its outside the coach,you don't have
to worry about fuel smell in your carpets as much.i've found that
the racor last at least twice as long as my secondary filter,and
when i have had fuel problems i only changed the racor,maybe 5 to
1..its kinda like having a spare tire i guess.do you really need it?
i like having both..randydupree93wb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mrdonut12
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:55 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stalling cat -Spin on Racor +
other question
>
>
> Bill,
> If he had an air leak, I'd have said to bypass it. He
> apparently has a fuel system plugged with crud and I just
> can't see moving the problem forward. Might as well deal
> with it in the back.
> I can't help but constantly analyze. I'm a mechanic and I
> just can't stop. It's like asking a cat to not chase a mouse.
LOL
> I've learned a lot about mine and may eventually come around
> to your way of thinking. ;o)
>
> George Witt
> 81 FC 35
> Lincoln, Nebraska
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "samax8"
wrote:
> > -George,
> >
> > I appreciate your knowledge and experience. I expected
contrary
> > positions when I posted and I do not disagree with anything
that you
> > posted. I was just passing on info that I had been given in
response
> > to someone questioning if he could drive a short distance
bypassing
> > the racor.
> >
> > My understanding of the Racor problems was that they mainly
> > concerned air leaks. I have no experience, good or bad, with a
Racor
> > on my Bird.
> >
> > You make a good point that most of the guys that the Cat shop
is
> > seeing are commercial drivers.
> >
> > I can inspect my fuel for water and debris at the water
separator.
> > Admittedly after it has gone thru the main fuel filter.
> >
> > I do not discourage using a Racor filter. Just saying it can
be done
> > and is done. The more filtering the better I'm sure. It's just
that,
> > in my case, after having gone through one air leak problem I
was
> > easily convinced that avoiding the potential for another was a
good
> > thing.
> >
> > Maybe I will get around to hooking mine back up and see how it
goes.
> >
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> > Bill
> > 82FC33
> >
> >
> > -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mrdonut12"
<mrdonut12@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Bill,
> > > I won't pretend to have the knowledge or expertise in
diesels
> > > that these guys do, but I've got that much experience in
> > automobiles,
> > > maybe more.
> > > I've been a mechanic for a living for over 30 years and
am the
> > > guy you bring your car to when no one else can figure it out
and
> > I'll
> > > fix it. I was also involved in dirt track race cars (sprint
cars
> > with
> > > 350 cubic inch engines producing 700 hp on straight methanol
> > fuel).
> > > I've built many racing engines.
> > > I'm only listing this to help you give weight (or take
it
> > away)
> > > from my observations. ;o)
> > > I've recently had my Racor apart, cleaned it thoroughly
and
> > > analyzed it's function.
> > > If a Racor "causes problems" it's most likely plugged,
broken
> > or
> > > neglected. I can think of no other things that would cause
it to
> > > "cause problems".
> > > We've been reading cases of algae in fuel and it
plugging up
> > the
> > > Racor.
> > > I've only had a bird about a year and a half and I've
put
> > 25,000
> > > miles on mine in that time.
> > > I couldn't get mine to drain out the bottom drain
valve.
> > After I
> > > took it apart, I found a handful of fine rust particles
plugging
> > the
> > > bottom. I found almost another handful resting on the
internal
> > beams,
> > > fuel heater and braces. It was a mess inside. ick.
> > > If I remove my fuel filler cap, I can see a filler pipe
with a
> > > lot of loose rust in it. I can only imagine what the inside
of the
> > > tank might look like. That's the background on my system,
yours
> > may
> > > be different.
> > > Some of those rust particles are bound to get caught
inside
> > > rubber hoses, junctions in copper tubing or the cracks from
tubing
> > > connecting to rubber hoses and cause a restriction. The
Racor will
> > > remove those half way to the front. I only have to deal
with crap
> > > from the center to the rear of the bus.
> > > I carefully watch my Racor guage to monitor for
restrictions,
> > so
> > > I know if there's a problem or not.
> > > The glass bowl on the bottom of my Racor lets me see
easily
> > and
> > > quickly whether I have water in the system and lets me drain
it out
> > > easily. It also lets me see how much loose rust I get
> > accumulating.
> > > The guys at the Cat shop are seeing commercial vehicles
that
> > get
> > > fresh fuel daily and are maintained (in most cases) by
people that
> > > know how to care for diesels. They keep the tanks full when
not in
> > > use and add algacide as needed.
> > > Old birds may have been owned by people with none of
this
> > knowledge.
> > > That's my case for keeping and maintaining my Racor on
my
> > unit.
> > > Others may disagree and I'm fine with that. This is only to
> > present
> > > the other side of the story. I'm using the 30 micron filter
> > element,
> > > so it only gets the big chunks. LOL
> > >
> > > George Witt
> > > 81 FC 35
> > > Lincoln, Nebraska
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "samax8"

> > wrote:
> > > > -There will probably be a lot of knowledgeable people on
this
> > forum
> > > > that will disagree with this but here goes. As far as
safely
> > driving
> > > > without the racor. When I got my Bird I replaced all the
fluids
> > and
> > > > filters just to be on the safe side. I went to the Cat
dealer
> > for
> > > > the filters. When I tried to buy a Racor I was told that
they
> > did
> > > > not sell them nor did they recommend them. This from the
guy in
> > > > parts. I then spoke with the service manager at Holt
> > Caterpillar,
> > > > San Antonio, TX ( the largest Cat dealer in the US). He
said
> > they
> > > > did not approve of Racor filters as they only caused
problems
> > and
> > > > that my 3208 had two filters without the Racor and that
was all
> > I
> > > > needed. When I started working on the Bird replacing
fluids and
> > > > filters I discovered that my Racor had been bypassed by
the
> > previous
> > > > owner. I later drove from Texas to the Birds Nest to have
some
> > work
> > > > done and asked them to hook up my Racor and put in a new
filter.
> > > > They (maybe Bennie, I'm not sure) said that I did not need
it,
> > that
> > > > it was overkill.
> > > >
> > > > I have put about 7000 miles on without a Racor and never
had a
> > > > problem except once with the water seperator leaking air
> > (defective
> > > > Cat part). I do change my fuel filter and water seperator
> > regularly
> > > > along with my oil filters and get an oil analysis every
oil
> > change.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck
> > > > Bill
> > > > 82FC33
> > > >
> > > > -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Adria Haynes"
> > > > <mrbeebody@n...> wrote:
> > > > > I still haven't really tried to start my 3208 again
yet. I
> > got
> > > > the
> > > > > 900 series Racor off and found some of the internals to
be
> > damaged
> > > > > from excessive heat. I have since decided to live
without a
> > > > heating
> > > > > element in my water seperator as I move forward since I
really
> > > > don't
> > > > > need my fuel so hot that it melts plastic inside of it -
right
> > > > next
> > > > > to my LP pig.
> > > > >
> > > > > In looking into the option of just replacing my
> > filter/seperator
> > > > > instead of rebuilding it, I stopped by the local West
Marine
> > as
> > > > you
> > > > > guys advised. The guy there showed me a flow chart that
shows
> > I
> > > > > should be able to EASILY live with a 300 series
seperator
> > (320R
> > > > > actually) with the spin on style filters.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe I'm too green, but it seems like a no brainer.
But I
> > don't
> > > > > really want to make any moves or spend any money without
> > > > consulting
> > > > > you professionals first, though. The things I liked
about
> > that
> > > > unit
> > > > > was that is had a primer built into it, the filters
seemed
> > easier
> > > > to
> > > > > change, and changing them seemed like it wouldn't be as
> > messy.
> > > > The
> > > > > things I didn't like was that each new filter was like
$27. A
> > > > small
> > > > > drop in the bucket I know, but still.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please advise on any of your thoughts or experiences
> > concerning
> > > > > installing and/or maintaining one of these spin on style
> > > > > filter/seperators.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, once the new unit is installed, how do I go about
> > pushing
> > > > fuel
> > > > > up the line to the secondary filter? Just use that
built in
> > > > primer?
> > > > >
> > > > > How do I do it if I go with another 900 series Racor?
> > > > >
> > > > > How bad of an idea is it to just eliminate the Racor for
the
> > > > > afternoon to see if I can get the damn thing running
without
> > it at
> > > > > all?
> > > > >
> > > > > Still overwhelmed,
> > > > > John
>
>
>
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haaaahhaa,most people don't! randydupree93wb
----- Original Message -----
From: samax8
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 8:25 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stalling cat -Spin on Racor + other question


Doggone. I don't carry a spare tire either.
Bill
82FC33

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, randydupree
wrote:
> one thing about the racor is its outside the coach,you don't have
to worry about fuel smell in your carpets as much.i've found that
the racor last at least twice as long as my secondary filter,and
when i have had fuel problems i only changed the racor,maybe 5 to
1..its kinda like having a spare tire i guess.do you really need it?
i like having both..randydupree93wb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mrdonut12
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:55 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stalling cat -Spin on Racor +
other question
>
>
> Bill,
> If he had an air leak, I'd have said to bypass it. He
> apparently has a fuel system plugged with crud and I just
> can't see moving the problem forward. Might as well deal
> with it in the back.
> I can't help but constantly analyze. I'm a mechanic and I
> just can't stop. It's like asking a cat to not chase a mouse.
LOL
> I've learned a lot about mine and may eventually come around
> to your way of thinking. ;o)
>
> George Witt
> 81 FC 35
> Lincoln, Nebraska
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "samax8"
wrote:
> > -George,
> >
> > I appreciate your knowledge and experience. I expected
contrary
> > positions when I posted and I do not disagree with anything
that you
> > posted. I was just passing on info that I had been given in
response
> > to someone questioning if he could drive a short distance
bypassing
> > the racor.
> >
> > My understanding of the Racor problems was that they mainly
> > concerned air leaks. I have no experience, good or bad, with a
Racor
> > on my Bird.
> >
> > You make a good point that most of the guys that the Cat shop
is
> > seeing are commercial drivers.
> >
> > I can inspect my fuel for water and debris at the water
separator.
> > Admittedly after it has gone thru the main fuel filter.
> >
> > I do not discourage using a Racor filter. Just saying it can
be done
> > and is done. The more filtering the better I'm sure. It's just
that,
> > in my case, after having gone through one air leak problem I
was
> > easily convinced that avoiding the potential for another was a
good
> > thing.
> >
> > Maybe I will get around to hooking mine back up and see how it
goes.
> >
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> > Bill
> > 82FC33
> >
> >
> > -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mrdonut12"
<mrdonut12@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Bill,
> > > I won't pretend to have the knowledge or expertise in
diesels
> > > that these guys do, but I've got that much experience in
> > automobiles,
> > > maybe more.
> > > I've been a mechanic for a living for over 30 years and
am the
> > > guy you bring your car to when no one else can figure it out
and
> > I'll
> > > fix it. I was also involved in dirt track race cars (sprint
cars
> > with
> > > 350 cubic inch engines producing 700 hp on straight methanol
> > fuel).
> > > I've built many racing engines.
> > > I'm only listing this to help you give weight (or take
it
> > away)
> > > from my observations. ;o)
> > > I've recently had my Racor apart, cleaned it thoroughly
and
> > > analyzed it's function.
> > > If a Racor "causes problems" it's most likely plugged,
broken
> > or
> > > neglected. I can think of no other things that would cause
it to
> > > "cause problems".
> > > We've been reading cases of algae in fuel and it
plugging up
> > the
> > > Racor.
> > > I've only had a bird about a year and a half and I've
put
> > 25,000
> > > miles on mine in that time.
> > > I couldn't get mine to drain out the bottom drain
valve.
> > After I
> > > took it apart, I found a handful of fine rust particles
plugging
> > the
> > > bottom. I found almost another handful resting on the
internal
> > beams,
> > > fuel heater and braces. It was a mess inside. ick.
> > > If I remove my fuel filler cap, I can see a filler pipe
with a
> > > lot of loose rust in it. I can only imagine what the inside
of the
> > > tank might look like. That's the background on my system,
yours
> > may
> > > be different.
> > > Some of those rust particles are bound to get caught
inside
> > > rubber hoses, junctions in copper tubing or the cracks from
tubing
> > > connecting to rubber hoses and cause a restriction. The
Racor will
> > > remove those half way to the front. I only have to deal
with crap
> > > from the center to the rear of the bus.
> > > I carefully watch my Racor guage to monitor for
restrictions,
> > so
> > > I know if there's a problem or not.
> > > The glass bowl on the bottom of my Racor lets me see
easily
> > and
> > > quickly whether I have water in the system and lets me drain
it out
> > > easily. It also lets me see how much loose rust I get
> > accumulating.
> > > The guys at the Cat shop are seeing commercial vehicles
that
> > get
> > > fresh fuel daily and are maintained (in most cases) by
people that
> > > know how to care for diesels. They keep the tanks full when
not in
> > > use and add algacide as needed.
> > > Old birds may have been owned by people with none of
this
> > knowledge.
> > > That's my case for keeping and maintaining my Racor on
my
> > unit.
> > > Others may disagree and I'm fine with that. This is only to
> > present
> > > the other side of the story. I'm using the 30 micron filter
> > element,
> > > so it only gets the big chunks. LOL
> > >
> > > George Witt
> > > 81 FC 35
> > > Lincoln, Nebraska
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "samax8"

> > wrote:
> > > > -There will probably be a lot of knowledgeable people on
this
> > forum
> > > > that will disagree with this but here goes. As far as
safely
> > driving
> > > > without the racor. When I got my Bird I replaced all the
fluids
> > and
> > > > filters just to be on the safe side. I went to the Cat
dealer
> > for
> > > > the filters. When I tried to buy a Racor I was told that
they
> > did
> > > > not sell them nor did they recommend them. This from the
guy in
> > > > parts. I then spoke with the service manager at Holt
> > Caterpillar,
> > > > San Antonio, TX ( the largest Cat dealer in the US). He
said
> > they
> > > > did not approve of Racor filters as they only caused
problems
> > and
> > > > that my 3208 had two filters without the Racor and that
was all
> > I
> > > > needed. When I started working on the Bird replacing
fluids and
> > > > filters I discovered that my Racor had been bypassed by
the
> > previous
> > > > owner. I later drove from Texas to the Birds Nest to have
some
> > work
> > > > done and asked them to hook up my Racor and put in a new
filter.
> > > > They (maybe Bennie, I'm not sure) said that I did not need
it,
> > that
> > > > it was overkill.
> > > >
> > > > I have put about 7000 miles on without a Racor and never
had a
> > > > problem except once with the water seperator leaking air
> > (defective
> > > > Cat part). I do change my fuel filter and water seperator
> > regularly
> > > > along with my oil filters and get an oil analysis every
oil
> > change.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck
> > > > Bill
> > > > 82FC33
> > > >
> > > > -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Adria Haynes"
> > > > <mrbeebody@n...> wrote:
> > > > > I still haven't really tried to start my 3208 again
yet. I
> > got
> > > > the
> > > > > 900 series Racor off and found some of the internals to
be
> > damaged
> > > > > from excessive heat. I have since decided to live
without a
> > > > heating
> > > > > element in my water seperator as I move forward since I
really
> > > > don't
> > > > > need my fuel so hot that it melts plastic inside of it -
right
> > > > next
> > > > > to my LP pig.
> > > > >
> > > > > In looking into the option of just replacing my
> > filter/seperator
> > > > > instead of rebuilding it, I stopped by the local West
Marine
> > as
> > > > you
> > > > > guys advised. The guy there showed me a flow chart that
shows
> > I
> > > > > should be able to EASILY live with a 300 series
seperator
> > (320R
> > > > > actually) with the spin on style filters.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe I'm too green, but it seems like a no brainer.
But I
> > don't
> > > > > really want to make any moves or spend any money without
> > > > consulting
> > > > > you professionals first, though. The things I liked
about
> > that
> > > > unit
> > > > > was that is had a primer built into it, the filters
seemed
> > easier
> > > > to
> > > > > change, and changing them seemed like it wouldn't be as
> > messy.
> > > > The
> > > > > things I didn't like was that each new filter was like
$27. A
> > > > small
> > > > > drop in the bucket I know, but still.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please advise on any of your thoughts or experiences
> > concerning
> > > > > installing and/or maintaining one of these spin on style
> > > > > filter/seperators.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, once the new unit is installed, how do I go about
> > pushing
> > > > fuel
> > > > > up the line to the secondary filter? Just use that
built in
> > > > primer?
> > > > >
> > > > > How do I do it if I go with another 900 series Racor?
> > > > >
> > > > > How bad of an idea is it to just eliminate the Racor for
the
> > > > > afternoon to see if I can get the damn thing running
without
> > it at
> > > > > all?
> > > > >
> > > > > Still overwhelmed,
> > > > > John
>
>
>
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