Member Funded
Link Directory
Wanderlodge Trader
Document Library
User Locations
Gallery
Calendar
Wanderlodge Gurus - The Member Funded Wanderlodge Forum
/
Yahoo Groups Archive
/
WanderlodgeForum 
/
hydraulic fan oil and filter
/
hydraulic fan oil and filter
|
hydraulic fan oil and filter
|
|
02-27-2009, 15:03
Post: #11
|
|||
|
|||
|
hydraulic fan oil and filter
Rolling Stock is $49.95 these days. Have never used it, but like Ron I know the
author. Full-time RVer among other things. Don Bradner 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1 On 2/28/2009 at 2:35 AM ronmarabito2002 wrote: >Dan: Have you had the coach out on the road recently. If oil is >brown on the bottom, then it sounds like it has been setting still and >some solids have settled. Please do inform me of the analysis. > >I use a software to keep all my records. It is called Rolling Stock. > It was designed by a friend of mine and several fleets use it. Not >sure what it cost right now. I was a Beta Tester on it several years >back. If you are interested in it, I'll send you a URL to look at it. > It has a Reminders page to let you know when the next services are due. > >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 |
|||
|
![[+]](http://www.wanderlodgegurus.com/images/collapse_collapsed.gif)
|
02-28-2009, 05:29
Post: #12
|
|||
|
|||
|
hydraulic fan oil and filter
Here is an old post from a while back.
I just got 9 of these filters. I intend to purge my system twice, so I needed 9 of them http://www.adiesel.com/store/PT8487.html This site has them for less than $13 bucks a pc., The best price I found. They were over $40 bucks locally. The 95 coaches do use different oils according to engine type. The 8V92 uses an inline fitter in addition to the 3 reservoir filters Parker Canister filter-(about 18" long in line street side), ( according to BB somewhere between the radiator and the tag axle). Part #'s Parker 925835 Donaldson P170073 BB 2122026 Reservoir filters All models, ( 8V92 & Series 60), use the same reservoir filters. The reservoir takes 3 filters. Part #'s Wix 57317 Nelson 83284D Donaldson P550698 BB 2137065 The 8V92 uses 10W30, synthetic oils are ok to use. The Series 60 uses HD32. Synthetics are OK to use. BB cross referenced the recommended Dino. oil with CASTROL VS977 Synthetic. I can't find it online. Waiting for return call from tech service. After lots of surfing today I have found out that HD32 is a Texaco product, Rando HD 32. As of July 2008 Chevron has the Texaco label and will continue to mfg. The Rando line of fluids. I also learned that any oil that is equivalent to ISO 32 should work in the system. Some of these oils have a , AW or O&R rating. Anti - Wear and Oxidation and Rust. Some have a combination of prefixes. There are also biodegradable oils for Forestry and Marine applications. I would recommend staying away from these because they generally have a shorter service life. It your call. I will most likely stay with the Rando HD 32 or it's synthetic version I know all oils are not created equal. The mineral based oils run anywhere from $30 to $60 for 5 gallons and the synthetics are $120 and up, some way up. The blends fall in the middle. The capacity is 16 Quarts for the series 60 and 18 quarts for the 8V92, Jessie recommended buying 5 Gallons just to make sure you have enough to refill the system. In my opinion I would think capacity would be determined by how well you can drain the system of old fluid. So I don't think these numbers are written in stone in this senario. To drain the system BB has a vacuum system that evacuates the reservoir. They do not recommend disconnecting any of the hydraulic lines in fear of creating a leak or breaking any connections, especially the elbow under the reservoir tank, I can understand that, the line and elbow are quite a bit heavier construction than the tank, and BB has encountered breakage at that particular point according to tech services. Double oil and filter change This technique involves an initial oil drain and filter change, The system is then filled to the minimum level required and the fluid circulated until operating temperature is reached and the fluid has been turned over at least five times. The oil is drained and the filters changed a second time. An appropriate oil analysis test should be performed to determine the success of the flush. To maximize the effectiveness of this technique, the system should be drained as thoroughly as possible and the reservoir mechanically cleaned. Kurt Horvath 95 PT-42 WLWB S-60 10AC--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner" wrote: > > Rolling Stock is $49.95 these days. Have never used it, but like Ron I know the author. Full-time RVer among other things. > > Don Bradner > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" > My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1 > > On 2/28/2009 at 2:35 AM ronmarabito2002 wrote: > > >Dan: Have you had the coach out on the road recently. If oil is > >brown on the bottom, then it sounds like it has been setting still and > >some solids have settled. Please do inform me of the analysis. > > > >I use a software to keep all my records. It is called Rolling Stock. > > It was designed by a friend of mine and several fleets use it. Not > >sure what it cost right now. I was a Beta Tester on it several years > >back. If you are interested in it, I'll send you a URL to look at it. > > It has a Reminders page to let you know when the next services are due. > > > >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > |
|||
|
|
|
02-28-2009, 10:10
Post: #13
|
|||
|
|||
|
hydraulic fan oil and filter
can you purg it without filter elements? I would just ;drain the
reservoir and ;refill then ;run the pump by screwdriver on the starter motor and blow the return line into a bucket. if I was concerned about foam when switching brands. two closed system purges would get you down to only 75% new if that replaced each time (reservoir capacity) was 50% of total capacity. 3 purges get you close to 87% new. 4purg close to 94%.I bet my screwdriver purge method takes it down to 95%new with less than 1 gallon loss problem would be that the steering fan motor must function other wise you have to drain the lines. I bet the charge pump on the motor would burn up in less than five minutes if it was starved. Greg ofTim&Greg --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath" wrote: > > Here is an old post from a while back. > > I just got 9 of these filters. I intend to purge my system twice, so > I needed 9 of them > > http://www.adiesel.com/store/PT8487.html > > This site has them for less than $13 bucks a pc., The best price I > found. They were over $40 bucks locally. > > The 95 coaches do use different oils according to engine type. > > The 8V92 uses an inline fitter in addition to the 3 reservoir filters > > Parker Canister filter-(about 18" long in line street side), ( > according to BB somewhere between the radiator and the tag axle). > > Part #'s > Parker 925835 > Donaldson P170073 > BB 2122026 > > Reservoir filters All models, ( 8V92 & Series 60), use the same > reservoir filters. > > The reservoir takes 3 filters. > > Part #'s > > Wix 57317 > Nelson 83284D > Donaldson P550698 > BB 2137065 > > > The 8V92 uses 10W30, synthetic oils are ok to use. > > The Series 60 uses HD32. Synthetics are OK to use. BB cross > referenced the recommended Dino. oil with CASTROL VS977 Synthetic. I > can't find it online. Waiting for return call from tech service. > > After lots of surfing today I have found out that HD32 is a Texaco > product, Rando HD 32. As of July 2008 Chevron has the Texaco label > and will continue to mfg. The Rando line of fluids. > > I also learned that any oil that is equivalent to ISO 32 should work > in the system. Some of these oils have a , AW or O&R rating. Anti - > Wear and Oxidation and Rust. Some have a combination of prefixes. > There are also biodegradable oils for Forestry and Marine > applications. I would recommend staying away from these because they > generally have a shorter service life. It your call. I will most > likely stay with the Rando HD 32 or it's synthetic version > > I know all oils are not created equal. The mineral based oils run > anywhere from $30 to $60 for 5 gallons and the synthetics are $120 > and up, some way up. The blends fall in the middle. > > The capacity is 16 Quarts for the series 60 and 18 quarts for the > 8V92, Jessie recommended buying 5 Gallons just to make sure you have > enough to refill the system. > > In my opinion I would think capacity would be determined by how well > you can drain the system of old fluid. So I don't think these numbers > are written in stone in this senario. > > To drain the system BB has a vacuum system that evacuates the > reservoir. They do not recommend disconnecting any of the hydraulic > lines in fear of creating a leak or breaking any connections, > especially the elbow under the reservoir tank, I can understand that, > the line and elbow are quite a bit heavier construction than the > tank, and BB has encountered breakage at that particular point > according to tech services. > > > > Double oil and filter change > > This technique involves an initial oil drain and filter change, The > system is then filled to the minimum level required and the fluid > circulated until operating temperature is reached and the fluid has > been turned over at least five times. The oil is drained and the > filters changed a second time. An appropriate oil analysis test > should be performed to determine the success of the flush. To > maximize the effectiveness of this technique, the system should be > drained as thoroughly as possible and the reservoir mechanically > cleaned. > > > > Kurt Horvath > > 95 PT-42 WLWB S-60 > > 10AC--- > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner" > wrote: > > > > Rolling Stock is $49.95 these days. Have never used it, but like > Ron I know the author. Full-time RVer among other things. > > > > Don Bradner > > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" > > My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1 > > > > On 2/28/2009 at 2:35 AM ronmarabito2002 wrote: > > > > >Dan: Have you had the coach out on the road recently. If oil is > > >brown on the bottom, then it sounds like it has been setting still > and > > >some solids have settled. Please do inform me of the analysis. > > > > > >I use a software to keep all my records. It is called Rolling > Stock. > > > It was designed by a friend of mine and several fleets use it. Not > > >sure what it cost right now. I was a Beta Tester on it several > years > > >back. If you are interested in it, I'll send you a URL to look at > it. > > > It has a Reminders page to let you know when the next services > are due. > > > > > >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > |
|||
|
|
|
03-04-2009, 15:34
Post: #14
|
|||
|
|||
|
hydraulic fan oil and filter
Here are the hydraulic test results. What Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS From: Dan: Have you had the coach out on the road recently. If oil is brown on the bottom, then it sounds like it has been setting still and some solids have settled. Please do inform me of the analysis. I use a software to keep all my records. It is called Rolling Stock. It was designed by a friend of mine and several fleets use it. Not sure what it cost right now. I was a Beta Tester on it several years back. If you are interested in it, I'll send you a URL to look at it. It has a Reminders page to let you know when the next services are due. R.E. (Ron) Marabito, --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Dan Williams" wrote: > > Ron, I drew a sample from the canister and sent it in for testing. The > fluid may have been clear on top but the fluid I drew from the bottom of the > canister was brown. You know, it would be nice if someone with some fleet > management software could enter all our coaches in a data base and help > manage the maintenance and record keeping for us. I should have the lab > results back by mid week and can give you the results if you are interested. > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, > > > > _____ > > From: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com" > [mailto:"WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002 > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:47 PM > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com" > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > Haven't had time to check the manual. It probably says the same as > yours, but several other scheduled items really don't need that much > attention either. > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups. > wrote: > > > > Yes, mine is so clear that I wonder if it is 10w-30 motor oil. But > still my > > owners manual says in one place to change it every six months and in > another > > place to change it every oil change, which would be twelve months. Does > > your manual also mention changing it? > > > > > > > > Dan Williams > > > > 88WB38 > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups. > > [mailto:Wanderlodge > yahoogroups. > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:46 PM > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups. > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > Dan: I have run my oil in the power steering for more than 6 years > > without a problem. Oil still looks clear and clean. > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups. > > wrote: > > > > > > You are right, it runs the power steering and fan using 10w - 30 > > motor oil. > > > 20 quarts. I wonder if there is a way to extend the change > > interval. The > > > instructions say to run the engine at 2100 rpm and if the red light > > on the > > > rear switch panel comes on then change the oil and filter. I don't > > know how > > > one man can run the engine at 2100 rpm and check the light on the rear > > > switch panel at the same time. Seems like the light should be on > > the dash > > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups. > > > [mailto:Wanderlodge > > yahoogroups. > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:36 PM > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups. > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that is overkill. I bet caution is because the tank reservoir > > > is where the expansion takes place and the cold oil airspace leaves > > > room for condensation. when you mix water with the hydrolic oil > you get > > > a foam. the foam air can pack airpressure in the lines and screw with > > > the pump and rams. (the steering gets spongy) the fan pump and oil > also > > > runs the steering on the pt's.--- In > > > WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups. wrote: > > > > > > > > Why should the hydraulic fan oil be changed every six months as > > > > directed by the owner's manual? Thanks > > > > > > > > Dan Williams > > > > 88WB38 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
|
|
|
03-04-2009, 15:39
Post: #15
|
|||
|
|||
|
hydraulic fan oil and filter
I COMMONLY INDICATES Dan Williams, 88WB38, From: Dan: Have you had the coach out on the road recently. If oil is brown on the bottom, then it sounds like it has been setting still and some solids have settled. Please do inform me of the analysis. I use a software to keep all my records. It is called Rolling Stock. It was designed by a friend of mine and several fleets use it. Not sure what it cost right now. I was a Beta Tester on it several years back. If you are interested in it, I'll send you a URL to look at it. It has a Reminders page to let you know when the next services are due. R.E. (Ron) Marabito, --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Dan Williams" wrote: > > Ron, I drew a sample from the canister and sent it in for testing. The > fluid may have been clear on top but the fluid I drew from the bottom of the > canister was brown. You know, it would be nice if someone with some fleet > management software could enter all our coaches in a data base and help > manage the maintenance and record keeping for us. I should have the lab > results back by mid week and can give you the results if you are interested. > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, > > > > _____ > > From: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com" > [mailto:"WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002 > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:47 PM > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com" > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > Haven't had time to check the manual. It probably says the same as > yours, but several other scheduled items really don't need that much > attention either. > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups. > wrote: > > > > Yes, mine is so clear that I wonder if it is 10w-30 motor oil. But > still my > > owners manual says in one place to change it every six months and in > another > > place to change it every oil change, which would be twelve months. Does > > your manual also mention changing it? > > > > > > > > Dan Williams > > > > 88WB38 > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups. > > [mailto:Wanderlodge > yahoogroups. > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:46 PM > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups. > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > Dan: I have run my oil in the power steering for more than 6 years > > without a problem. Oil still looks clear and clean. > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups. > > wrote: > > > > > > You are right, it runs the power steering and fan using 10w - 30 > > motor oil. > > > 20 quarts. I wonder if there is a way to extend the change > > interval. The > > > instructions say to run the engine at 2100 rpm and if the red light > > on the > > > rear switch panel comes on then change the oil and filter. I don't > > know how > > > one man can run the engine at 2100 rpm and check the light on the rear > > > switch panel at the same time. Seems like the light should be on > > the dash > > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups. > > > [mailto:Wanderlodge > > yahoogroups. > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:36 PM > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups. > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that is overkill. I bet caution is because the tank reservoir > > > is where the expansion takes place and the cold oil airspace leaves > > > room for condensation. when you mix water with the hydrolic oil > you get > > > a foam. the foam air can pack airpressure in the lines and screw with > > > the pump and rams. (the steering gets spongy) the fan pump and oil > also > > > runs the steering on the pt's.--- In > > > WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups. wrote: > > > > > > > > Why should the hydraulic fan oil be changed every six months as > > > > directed by the owner's manual? Thanks > > > > > > > > Dan Williams > > > > 88WB38 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
|||
|
|
|
03-04-2009, 15:48
Post: #16
|
|||
|
|||
|
hydraulic fan oil and filter
Dan: Attachments will not open on the forum. Please send the lab report to me
via email. R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > > Here are the hydraulic test results. What do you think? > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS > > > > _____ > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002 > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:35 PM > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > Dan: Have you had the coach out on the road recently. If oil is > brown on the bottom, then it sounds like it has been setting still and > some solids have settled. Please do inform me of the analysis. > > I use a software to keep all my records. It is called Rolling Stock. > It was designed by a friend of mine and several fleets use it. Not > sure what it cost right now. I was a Beta Tester on it several years > back. If you are interested in it, I'll send you a URL to look at it. > It has a Reminders page to let you know when the next services are due. > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > wrote: > > > > Ron, I drew a sample from the canister and sent it in for testing. The > > fluid may have been clear on top but the fluid I drew from the > bottom of the > > canister was brown. You know, it would be nice if someone with some > fleet > > management software could enter all our coaches in a data base and help > > manage the maintenance and record keeping for us. I should have the lab > > results back by mid week and can give you the results if you are > interested. > > > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002 > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:47 PM > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > Haven't had time to check the manual. It probably says the same as > > yours, but several other scheduled items really don't need that much > > attention either. > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > > wrote: > > > > > > Yes, mine is so clear that I wonder if it is 10w-30 motor oil. But > > still my > > > owners manual says in one place to change it every six months and in > > another > > > place to change it every oil change, which would be twelve months. > Does > > > your manual also mention changing it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan Williams > > > > > > 88WB38 > > > > > > Jackson, MS > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002 > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:46 PM > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan: I have run my oil in the power steering for more than 6 years > > > without a problem. Oil still looks clear and clean. > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You are right, it runs the power steering and fan using 10w - 30 > > > motor oil. > > > > 20 quarts. I wonder if there is a way to extend the change > > > interval. The > > > > instructions say to run the engine at 2100 rpm and if the red light > > > on the > > > > rear switch panel comes on then change the oil and filter. I don't > > > know how > > > > one man can run the engine at 2100 rpm and check the light on > the rear > > > > switch panel at the same time. Seems like the light should be on > > > the dash > > > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ > > > > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timvasqz > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:36 PM > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that is overkill. I bet caution is because the tank > reservoir > > > > is where the expansion takes place and the cold oil airspace leaves > > > > room for condensation. when you mix water with the hydrolic oil > > you get > > > > a foam. the foam air can pack airpressure in the lines and screw > with > > > > the pump and rams. (the steering gets spongy) the fan pump and oil > > also > > > > runs the steering on the pt's.--- In > > > > WanderlodgeForum@ > > > > yahoogroups.com, "maureyroad" > > > > > > > > > > Why should the hydraulic fan oil be changed every six months as > > > > > directed by the owner's manual? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Dan Williams > > > > > 88WB38 > > > > > Jackson, MS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
|||
|
|
|
03-04-2009, 19:41
Post: #17
|
|||
|
|||
|
hydraulic fan oil and filter
Dan,
"INDICATES THIS IS 20 WEIGHT OR EQUIVALENT OIL. OTHER ANALYSIS READINGS APPEAR TO BE ACCEPTABLE.", You should check on that 20 weight, that does not sound correct. I think 10w/30 is what your coach should have in the hydraulic system. Kurt Horvath 95 PT 42 10AC --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > > I tried to attach the exact numbers as a file but it didn't work so here is > the narrative: COPPER AND LEAD APPEAR HIGH! ELEVATED COPPER MAY BE SOURCED > TO BUSHINGS, THRUST WASHERS, COPPER OXIDES, NON-MECHANICAL ORIGIN. ELEVATED > LEAD LEVELS ARE NOT > > COMMONLY ASSOCIATED WITH CRITICAL WEAR OF MOST HYDRAULIC COMPONENTS. LEAD > COULD BE SOURCED TO ORIGINAL/SUPPLEMENTAL ADDITIVES. VISCOSITY (V100 > READING) > > INDICATES THIS IS 20 WEIGHT OR EQUIVALENT OIL. OTHER ANALYSIS READINGS > APPEAR TO BE ACCEPTABLE. MORE SAMPLE HISTORY NEEDED TO ESTABLISH A WEAR > TREND. > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS > > > > _____ > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002 > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:35 PM > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > Dan: Have you had the coach out on the road recently. If oil is > brown on the bottom, then it sounds like it has been setting still and > some solids have settled. Please do inform me of the analysis. > > I use a software to keep all my records. It is called Rolling Stock. > It was designed by a friend of mine and several fleets use it. Not > sure what it cost right now. I was a Beta Tester on it several years > back. If you are interested in it, I'll send you a URL to look at it. > It has a Reminders page to let you know when the next services are due. > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > wrote: > > > > Ron, I drew a sample from the canister and sent it in for testing. The > > fluid may have been clear on top but the fluid I drew from the > bottom of the > > canister was brown. You know, it would be nice if someone with some > fleet > > management software could enter all our coaches in a data base and help > > manage the maintenance and record keeping for us. I should have the lab > > results back by mid week and can give you the results if you are > interested. > > > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002 > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:47 PM > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > Haven't had time to check the manual. It probably says the same as > > yours, but several other scheduled items really don't need that much > > attention either. > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > > wrote: > > > > > > Yes, mine is so clear that I wonder if it is 10w-30 motor oil. But > > still my > > > owners manual says in one place to change it every six months and in > > another > > > place to change it every oil change, which would be twelve months. > Does > > > your manual also mention changing it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan Williams > > > > > > 88WB38 > > > > > > Jackson, MS > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002 > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:46 PM > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan: I have run my oil in the power steering for more than 6 years > > > without a problem. Oil still looks clear and clean. > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You are right, it runs the power steering and fan using 10w - 30 > > > motor oil. > > > > 20 quarts. I wonder if there is a way to extend the change > > > interval. The > > > > instructions say to run the engine at 2100 rpm and if the red light > > > on the > > > > rear switch panel comes on then change the oil and filter. I don't > > > know how > > > > one man can run the engine at 2100 rpm and check the light on > the rear > > > > switch panel at the same time. Seems like the light should be on > > > the dash > > > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ > > > > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timvasqz > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:36 PM > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that is overkill. I bet caution is because the tank > reservoir > > > > is where the expansion takes place and the cold oil airspace leaves > > > > room for condensation. when you mix water with the hydrolic oil > > you get > > > > a foam. the foam air can pack airpressure in the lines and screw > with > > > > the pump and rams. (the steering gets spongy) the fan pump and oil > > also > > > > runs the steering on the pt's.--- In > > > > WanderlodgeForum@ > > > > yahoogroups.com, "maureyroad" > > > > > > > > > > Why should the hydraulic fan oil be changed every six months as > > > > > directed by the owner's manual? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Dan Williams > > > > > 88WB38 > > > > > Jackson, MS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
|||
|
|
|
03-05-2009, 01:27
Post: #18
|
|||
|
|||
|
hydraulic fan oil and filter
Kurt, Yes, I am going to change it. Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS From: Dan, "INDICATES THIS IS 20 WEIGHT OR EQUIVALENT OIL. OTHER ANALYSIS ACCEPTABLE." You should check on that 20 weight, that does not sound correct. I think 10w/30 is what your coach should have in the hydraulic system. Kurt Horvath 95 PT 42 10AC --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Dan Williams" > > I tried to attach the exact numbers as a file but it didn't work so here is > the narrative: COPPER AND LEAD APPEAR HIGH! ELEVATED COPPER MAY BE SOURCED > TO BUSHINGS, THRUST WASHERS, COPPER OXIDES, NON-MECHANICAL ORIGIN. ELEVATED > LEAD LEVELS ARE NOT > > COMMONLY ASSOCIATED WITH CRITICAL WEAR OF MOST HYDRAULIC COMPONENTS. LEAD > COULD BE SOURCED TO ORIGINAL/SUPPLEMENT > > > INDICATES THIS IS 20 WEIGHT OR EQUIVALENT OIL. OTHER ANALYSIS > APPEAR TO BE ACCEPTABLE. MORE SAMPLE HISTORY NEEDED TO ESTABLISH A WEAR > TREND. > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, > > > > _____ > > From: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com" > [mailto:"WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002 > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:35 PM > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com" > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > Dan: Have you had the coach out on the road recently. If oil is > brown on the bottom, then it sounds like it has been setting still and > some solids have settled. Please do inform me of the analysis. > > I use a software to keep all my records. It is called Rolling Stock. > It was designed by a friend of mine and several fleets use it. Not > sure what it cost right now. I was a Beta Tester on it several years > back. If you are interested in it, I'll send you a URL to look at it. > It has a Reminders page to let you know when the next services are due. > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups. > wrote: > > > > Ron, I drew a sample from the canister and sent it in for testing. The > > fluid may have been clear on top but the fluid I drew from the > bottom of the > > canister was brown. You know, it would be nice if someone with some > fleet > > management software could enter all our coaches in a data base and help > > manage the maintenance and record keeping for us. I should have the lab > > results back by mid week and can give you the results if you are > interested. > > > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups. > > [mailto:Wanderlodge > yahoogroups. > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:47 PM > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups. > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > Haven't had time to check the manual. It probably says the same as > > yours, but several other scheduled items really don't need that much > > attention either. > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups. > > wrote: > > > > > > Yes, mine is so clear that I wonder if it is 10w-30 motor oil. But > > still my > > > owners manual says in one place to change it every six months and in > > another > > > place to change it every oil change, which would be twelve months. > Does > > > your manual also mention changing it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan Williams > > > > > > 88WB38 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups. > > > [mailto:Wanderlodge > > yahoogroups. > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:46 PM > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups. > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan: I have run my oil in the power steering for more than 6 years > > > without a problem. Oil still looks clear and clean. > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups. > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You are right, it runs the power steering and fan using 10w - 30 > > > motor oil. > > > > 20 quarts. I wonder if there is a way to extend the change > > > interval. The > > > > instructions say to run the engine at 2100 rpm and if the red light > > > on the > > > > rear switch panel comes on then change the oil and filter. I don't > > > know how > > > > one man can run the engine at 2100 rpm and check the light on > the rear > > > > switch panel at the same time. Seems like the light should be on > > > the dash > > > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups. > > > > [mailto:Wanderlodge > > > > yahoogroups. > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:36 PM > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups. > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that is overkill. I bet caution is because the tank > reservoir > > > > is where the expansion takes place and the cold oil airspace leaves > > > > room for condensation. when you mix water with the hydrolic oil > > you get > > > > a foam. the foam air can pack airpressure in the lines and screw > with > > > > the pump and rams. (the steering gets spongy) the fan pump and oil > > also > > > > runs the steering on the pt's.--- In > > > > WanderlodgeForum@ > > > > yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > > > Why should the hydraulic fan oil be changed every six months as > > > > > directed by the owner's manual? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Dan Williams > > > > > 88WB38 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
|||
|
|
|
03-05-2009, 04:40
Post: #19
|
|||
|
|||
|
hydraulic fan oil and filter
Dan,
I did a lot of research, there are a lot of new oils out there. I liked the new biodegradable type but they do not hold up as well as the Dino. oils or Syn. oils. I ended up going with the original recommended oil for my coach Rando 32AW. I just could not locate anything I though had any advantage to the Rando. I've had this stuff around since the late summer. I am just now getting ready to doing the service on it. Kurt Horvath 95 PT 42 10AC --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > > Kurt, Yes, I am going to change it. 10w/30 motor oil was recommended back > in 1988 but there have been some advancements in hydraulic fluid since then. > I wonder what I should use now? > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS > > > > _____ > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Horvath > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 AM > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > Dan, > > "INDICATES THIS IS 20 WEIGHT OR EQUIVALENT OIL. OTHER ANALYSIS READINGS > APPEAR TO BE ACCEPTABLE.", > > You should check on that 20 weight, that does not sound correct. I think > 10w/30 is what your coach should have in the hydraulic system. > > Kurt Horvath > 95 PT 42 > 10AC > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > > > > I tried to attach the exact numbers as a file but it didn't work so here > is > > the narrative: COPPER AND LEAD APPEAR HIGH! ELEVATED COPPER MAY BE SOURCED > > TO BUSHINGS, THRUST WASHERS, COPPER OXIDES, NON-MECHANICAL ORIGIN. > ELEVATED > > LEAD LEVELS ARE NOT > > > > COMMONLY ASSOCIATED WITH CRITICAL WEAR OF MOST HYDRAULIC COMPONENTS. LEAD > > COULD BE SOURCED TO ORIGINAL/SUPPLEMENTAL ADDITIVES. VISCOSITY (V100 > > READING) > > > > INDICATES THIS IS 20 WEIGHT OR EQUIVALENT OIL. OTHER ANALYSIS READINGS > > APPEAR TO BE ACCEPTABLE. MORE SAMPLE HISTORY NEEDED TO ESTABLISH A WEAR > > TREND. > > > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002 > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:35 PM > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > Dan: Have you had the coach out on the road recently. If oil is > > brown on the bottom, then it sounds like it has been setting still and > > some solids have settled. Please do inform me of the analysis. > > > > I use a software to keep all my records. It is called Rolling Stock. > > It was designed by a friend of mine and several fleets use it. Not > > sure what it cost right now. I was a Beta Tester on it several years > > back. If you are interested in it, I'll send you a URL to look at it. > > It has a Reminders page to let you know when the next services are due. > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > > wrote: > > > > > > Ron, I drew a sample from the canister and sent it in for testing. The > > > fluid may have been clear on top but the fluid I drew from the > > bottom of the > > > canister was brown. You know, it would be nice if someone with some > > fleet > > > management software could enter all our coaches in a data base and help > > > manage the maintenance and record keeping for us. I should have the lab > > > results back by mid week and can give you the results if you are > > interested. > > > > > > Dan Williams, 88WB38, Jackson, MS > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002 > > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:47 PM > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > > yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > > > > > Haven't had time to check the manual. It probably says the same as > > > yours, but several other scheduled items really don't need that much > > > attention either. > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, mine is so clear that I wonder if it is 10w-30 motor oil. But > > > still my > > > > owners manual says in one place to change it every six months and in > > > another > > > > place to change it every oil change, which would be twelve months. > > Does > > > > your manual also mention changing it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan Williams > > > > > > > > 88WB38 > > > > > > > > Jackson, MS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002 > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:46 PM > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan: I have run my oil in the power steering for more than 6 years > > > > without a problem. Oil still looks clear and clean. > > > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ > > > > yahoogroups.com, "Dan Williams" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You are right, it runs the power steering and fan using 10w - 30 > > > > motor oil. > > > > > 20 quarts. I wonder if there is a way to extend the change > > > > interval. The > > > > > instructions say to run the engine at 2100 rpm and if the red light > > > > on the > > > > > rear switch panel comes on then change the oil and filter. I don't > > > > know how > > > > > one man can run the engine at 2100 rpm and check the light on > > the rear > > > > > switch panel at the same time. Seems like the light should be on > > > > the dash > > > > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: WanderlodgeForum@ > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ > > > > > > yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timvasqz > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:36 PM > > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ > > > > yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: hydraulic fan oil and filter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that is overkill. I bet caution is because the tank > > reservoir > > > > > is where the expansion takes place and the cold oil airspace leaves > > > > > room for condensation. when you mix water with the hydrolic oil > > > you get > > > > > a foam. the foam air can pack airpressure in the lines and screw > > with > > > > > the pump and rams. (the steering gets spongy) the fan pump and oil > > > also > > > > > runs the steering on the pt's.--- In > > > > > WanderlodgeForum@ > > > > > yahoogroups.com, "maureyroad" > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should the hydraulic fan oil be changed every six months as > > > > > > directed by the owner's manual? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan Williams > > > > > > 88WB38 > > > > > > Jackson, MS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
|||
|
|
|
« Next Oldest | Next Newest »
|
User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)